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okiedokie123

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In Topic: The seborrheic dermatitis thread

23 May 2013 - 04:28 AM

Sorry for the lack of response. I have purposely let the seb derm go back into remission so I could try new things, especially since I wanted to go off the saw palmetto due to side effects and fear of damaging r liver/pancreas.

What helps to improve:
Pure (Japanese exfoliatior, apply on skin then just rub away.)
Dermadoctor BTBM Cleanser
CeraVe Hydrating Cleanser (mix this with small amount of BTBM as it has no SLS.)
Baking soda plus water paste (leave on 10 min, then wash off. Flakes disappear fast)
CeraVe PM Lotion (apply after cleanser)
Ozonated Coconut Oil (this wont break you out and it has oxygen to kill any fungal infection deep into the skin. Coconut oil is the only oil perfect for antifungals because it has less oleic acid, which malassezia thrives on...or so says online. Also very good at removing flakes due to oil cleansing method. Similar to Pure.)

saw palmetto works for me but again I'm getting off of it. I don't want to be taking a blood thinner all my life.

In Topic: The seborrheic dermatitis thread

05 December 2012 - 03:26 AM

I started on Armour thyroid medication several weeks ago to start boosting my thyroid levels and also not produce any more nodules.  I have 3 nodules.  One is large and two are small but I do need a thyroidectomy.  I am in the process of scheduling it now and it will prob be done by the end of the year.  I am hyperthyroid but have symptoms of hyper and hypo so its a bit confusing.   The RA is a mystery to me and will have to see a rheumatologist after this thyroid issue is taken care of.  I think you are right when you say my immune system is attacking my skin cells.  I have tried all the right things...supplmenets, diet and lifestyle changes and nothing has worked in 3 years so there is a bigger picture here.  I do have rosacea which my be exasserbated by the RA but who knows anymore.   Right now Im nursing two huge under the skin type pimples on my chin.  I almost never get anything like this.  They both have a hard center and have not budged in a week.  I want to tear into it to get whats in there out but I wont and then I will be upset because i will have to wait for it to heal.   ugh is all can say...


It's tough and I feel for ya. It's definitely a bigger picture and your skin represents what's going on inside the body. At least you know what potentially and most likely is causing your problem. I recently tested for any potential thyroid problem but mine came back normal so I'm up in the air onto why this it's suddenly coming back for me. I think Lotrimin Ultra was a placebo. I would not touch or alter anything with your skin. Just wait for it to heal. Hopefully you have more news on any new discoveries.

In Topic: The seborrheic dermatitis thread

03 December 2012 - 12:39 AM

okie, yes i have tried a gluten free diet and it never worked. i do believe you are on to something about my imuune system attacking my skin cells but how do i change that?  i have just been diagnosed with thyroid cancer and in my last post i explained that my rheumatoid factor was elevated but they dont think they are related.   i cant get anywhere with anti fungals topically or internally either.  Diet has not helped either.  No matter if i eaten gluten or sugar, it doesnt help or hurt my skin.   Ive tried applying anti fungals on my face like lotrimin but they dont get to the core of the plugs.  They are deep and white and look like pus filled pimples but super tiny.  The only way to get then is to dig them out but it makes an awful mess of things..im off to the derm yet again for a red/blue light treatment to help inflammation and possibly slow oil production.   I wish i could show you a photo of my chin, especially the crease where there are numerous little white bulges.  They never stop producing....thanks for your input i just wish i knew how to change it if its an auto immune thing


I'm sorry to hear about your thyroid cancer. Wow, so this is definitely a puzzle but I think it's coming together.

Rheumatoid factor usually pops up because of inflammation and it's basically your body's own immune system attacking itself and making these antibodies to attack your own cells. I think in your case, somehow, it's attacking your skin cells and perhaps other cells as well. Now for the thyroid cancer ,I can't see the connection between RF and thyroid cancer but I do know the thyroid regulates hormones and can affect the skin dramatically. You know, hypothyroidism can cause seborrhea and psoriasis too, in which case you need thyroid hormone like Synthroid. I would advise you not to take anything that affects hormonal issues like saw palmetto. It just messes with the system. What exactly has your doctor said? Do you have hypothyroidism? Hyperthyroid? Are they going to do a thyroidectomy to remove the tumor? Have they started you on medication? Let me know, I'm curious.

In Topic: The seborrheic dermatitis thread

03 December 2012 - 12:23 AM

which red/blue light treatment are you getting?



okiedokie thanks for the input.  When I remove a plug or if one falls out on its own whats underneath is a hole.  Its my pore.  I can see the clog sitting inside the pore and once its out is like a cork. Its like a little white round grain of rice.  These are the ones that are dry and hard and mostly in the center of my cheeks where my pores look like an orange peel.  the ones in my chin are embedded and squisher and need to be extracted or pried out with my tweezer.  I have often thought that my skin was better when it had more moisture but I cannot find a moisturizer my skin likes.  Ive been using CeraVe PM right now and its okay. Everything irritates me and nothing soothes my rosacea or seb derm.  Its a crazy cycle and I cant find anything to work.  The pyrthione zinc in the born to be mild cleanser is the only thing that smoothes the skin and makes it feel less grainy.  Funny thing is im not sure if this is a component of seb derm or rosacea.  Where the derm said I have seb derm is on the sides of my face but its not dry and only slightly pink.  Its never scaly and grainy like my pores.  I cant wear makeup at all because of the scaling and its always worse by the end of the day.  When I wake in the morning its smooth but as the day goes on and i produce more oil it sort of gets stuck in the pores.  

your right about internal because i jusst got some blood work back and my rheumatoid factor was elevated which indicates theres some inflammation somewhere.  My thyroid was off as well, specifically my T3. I am in menopause so my hormones are also out of balance but the hormone cream should be taking care of that.  

I do drink lots of water in fact its the only thing I do drink.  I've also thought of PDT but have you seen the pictures?  Crazy bad and I dont think I have the strength to go thru something like that.  Im considering Alumera its similar and has great success with pore shrinkage.  I just wish I knew what the grains meant?  Oily or dry????


Sounds more and more like an internal issue. You know, I read about a study saying there's this bacteria that clumps up and gathers in the pore leading to what looks like a keratin/sebum plug. If I find it I will post it. I don't think it was demodex.  Demodex Releases a bacteria that triggers an inflammatory response from the skin. Serb derm and rosacea are both related. Even though it appears dry, if your skin is oily then it can cause the seb derm flakes to sprout up. To me, you have combination skin.

But I think you have an internal issue especially with the hormonal imbalance. A hormone cream will not work neither will a moisturizer. Even your cleanser wont work for the long run. it works temporarily but only masks the symptoms. Same with PDT that i mentioned earlier. Skin problems with an impaired barrier are mostly internal issues. You should talk to your doctor about the hormonal issue and thyroid problems. There could be an inflammatory response due to an autoimmune problem where your body's immune system is attacking its own cells. Your impaired skin barrier may be a sign of that. Increase in RF is usually a sign of rheumatoid arthritis, hepatitis, and other related conditions. Last time I checked, autoimmune diseases like RA or the EE that I mentioned earlier are potentially connected with psoriasis or seborrheic dermatitis. Those are just signs on the surface of an underlying problem in your body. Add hormonal imbalance to the mix and you have a recipe for disaster. Hormonal imbalance is usually oily skin.

If you tried so many alternatives, antifungals, anti bacterials, and a boat load of topicals and supplements with no results, you may have stop whatever regimen you're doing to prevent further exacerbation of inflammation on skin (seb derm and rosacea can be prolonged due to cosmetics and topicals) and follow on proper diagnosis and treatment of the underlying cause.


So how do you suggest treating it?


I'm no doctor so I can't say how to treat it. But if seborrheic dermatitis or dermatitis in general is secondary to another cause then of course you want to treat the primary cause. Maybe my seb derm went away for awhile not because of the Lotrimin Ultra but maybe because my esophagus got better and my GERD didn't come back for weeks. I really can't tell you and that is why each of us needs to know our bodies very well in order to solve our health problems.

In Topic: The seborrheic dermatitis thread

30 November 2012 - 01:52 AM

Wicky, have you tried a gluten-free diet? And baking soda (leave on for 3 mins) paste?

Gluten is in everything. Perhaps you might have non-celiac gluten allergies or some sort of auto-immune disease where your body is attacking its own skin cells and causes excess shedding/flaking, sort of like psoriasis. I just know it has to be internal.

For seborrheic dermatitis sufferers, I suggest trying Lotrimin Ultra. It helps tremendously. Unlike the azoles which are downright scams, the main ingredient in Lotrimin Ultra is a viable fungicidal. The azole class only surpresses the fungal growth. Fungicidals get right down to the dirt and kill the fungus. It's worked wonders for my skin but the ingredients in it like petroleum I am allergic to, causing me to break out a bit.

I have been clear for weeks now without applying anything thanks to Lotrimin Ultra, however, it's coming back again. I just wonder for myself - if this is some sort of autoimmune problem in my skin that causes the barrier to weaken, therefore leading to an increased risk of fungal infection. Or it's the environment I'm living in. (83% humidity, winter near the mountains).