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Graciemeow

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In Topic: Seeing A Herbal Medicalist/naturopath

10 August 2014 - 05:10 PM

okay, so I've been away on holiday in spain and then just been catching up on everything since I got back. I decided to go ahead and take what he had mixed for me anyway despite not knowing what was in it, bit of a risk but I think I was just at my wits end....whilst I was away my skin miracurasly cleared however I know the sun is very beneficial to skin and so just attributed it to that and enjoyed the fact that my skin was doing so well. my naturopath mailed me back whilst i was away and I discovered that the mix contains:

 

white peony

liquorice

dandelion

barberry bark

oat seed

ashwaghanda

 

so i was like oh cool, good to know. i researched some of the stuff and he has put stuff in there for liver support and anxiety and the like. anyway since i got back my skin has only continued to improve, i have suffered a small break out this week because it is around my time of ovulation but nothing like the big cystic breakouts i was getting. anyway trying not to get too excited yet but hopefully i am getting back on track!

 

 

hey Gracie,

Did the agnus castus tincture you tried last month not work ? Did the herbalist gave you a similar one?

My advice for herbalists/ naturopaths is: if possible, try to find someone who specializes in female issues and skin issues. Most of them, like most doctors too, have no idea how to treat acne so they will usually give you more stuff than you need. Last naturopath I went to wrote a long list of supplements for me to take and I just didn't take them because he didn't explain the logic behind his approach. 

It's a good sign that your naturopath is trying to treat you holistically by looking at the emotional aspects too. Based on my experience, when I'm happy with my life I don't even worry about my skin because it gets better on its own. I know acne and happiness can be interrelated though, and it's a vicious cycle. 

Did they recommend yoga or other blood-flowing exercises to stimulate good circulation? That might help too.

 

Hey WishClean!

 

I definatly started seeing improvements about three weeks into the tincture, I started to come to the end of it so he mixed me another batch.

Yeah I thought that, the worry and anxiety causes stress which in turn makes everything worse. I was putting myself under MASSIVE pressure to be clear, I'm a bit of a perfectionist anyway but other things going on in my life was just making me focus on it more and more which obviously wasn't helping at all. He didn't really speak about exercise of lifestyle much other than asking if I was active at all. I've tried Bikram yoga once in the past btu then I panicked because its in a hot room and i worried the sweat and humidity might actually be worse for my skin and counter-act all the good and relaxation. Do you do yoga?

 

 

He just kept referring to it as 'the main herbal mix' without elaborating what exactly would go in it and stated that it would be hormonal balance, liver support and something for anxiety. I should of asked there and then what exactly will be in this but I just didn't...I have e-mailed him to ask him to tell me what ingredients it contains and if he doesn't, like you said, this is very shady.

I was doing so well on vitex a couple of months back and then something happened...i am getting back on track now I think but I'm scared maybe in my hope and desperation to get clear as quickly as possible I have maybe gotten in too deep with this naturopathy stuff. The guy seemed pretty legit and he had a good website but I can't find any reviews on him...

yes I've been on roaccutane twice and my acne returned both times i know i shouldn't really go back on it but i just want my life back again just for one year...i know that sounds ridiculous. Spiro has been offered to me as an option by an endocrinologist but I didn't like the sound of it. As an anti-androgen doesn't it have many side effects?

 

Yeah, from that description the mix could really be anything. I hope he emails you back soon.

 

WishClean is definitely right... your happiness has a big effect on your skin. The panic, anxiety, and trying to rush the clearing of your skin does not help — in fact it is counterproductive. I know it is extremely difficult, but please try to be happy and positive despite your skin. I am personally a believer in the law of attraction... if you focus on your skin being clear and the happiness that comes with it, you will see better results. The dermatologist told me I would have to be on spironolactone my whole life to have clear skin, yet I do without taking pretty much anything but vitamins now. I did use supplements to get back on track, but I think my mindset is the biggest part. I was in a very negative place when my acne was at its worst, but I did everything I could to flip that around even when I still had cystic acne. The results have been amazing.

 

You don't have to listen to me, but please don't go back on accutane. It's incredibly harsh on your body and clearly it hasn't worked for you. You may not have had any repercussions from taking it before, but you never know what taking it one more time could do. I have been on accutane before (took it back in high school) and it was an awful experience. And like you, the acne came back a few years later. I just don't see even being clear for one year being worth taking that crap and the risks associated with it.

 

Spironolactone is also a pharmaceutical so you need a prescription. I'm not a supporter of pharmaceuticals but with that being said, it did a great job of clearing my skin when I took it. I had side effects which is why I stopped taking it, but not everyone does. From what I've seen, my case seemed pretty unusual. I also don't have PCOS so it might be a better option for you. Anyway, I would definitely recommend giving it a shot before you give up or take accutane again, especially since you've been offered it outright. However, it does take a while to start working, as with any hormonal treatment. It took me 6 months to see full results.

 

How long have you been on vitex?

 

I always admire people who can stay positive and strong even when they are at thier lowest. Something that I can definatly improve on is not freaking out over every tiny little thing. I was putting a huge pressure on myself and every single new tiny breakout would send me right back into a massive freak out again. Since I have been on the mix from the naturopath, my mind set has definatly improved. although my skin has improved also, so it's hard to say if the two are connected.

i agree with you about roaccutane. Even though sometimes I am so tempted to go back on it, I know deep down that it isn't the right thing to do. It really did take a massive toll on my body, weight loss hair loss lack of appetite...not to mention other gross things I won't go into. I did get perfect skin but at a price. and like you said, we just don't know if it causes other issues down the line. I don't really want to go on spirinolactone...however I would consider it as an option should I feel the need to try it. Would you reccomend? Is it usually relativley side effect free or does it just depend from person to person?

 

I have now been on vitex (tincture) for around two months. I began taking full strength capsules at the start of May but switched to tincture around the end of May. xxx


In Topic: Information For Pcos/suspected Pcos

10 August 2014 - 04:26 PM

Hi,

Yes, it's in the 'inositol's impact on hormonal acne' thread. I'd link you to it but I'm writing this on my cell phone, so it's a pain to go through all the pages on a little screen, but it wasn't that long ago, start at the most recent and work your way back.

I wonder if anything you were taking with the DIM worked against it? I know I breakout on fish oil pills, even the best quality ones. I've only been taking DIM for four days as of today. I'll be updating my progress on the 'Now What' thread.

I don't think it's reversible, sadly. I was off and on the pill from 16-26. I've now been off of the pill for four years and I still have acne. sad.png
But what do I know? Please keep researching this, if you find a way to reverse this post-pill hell I would be ecstatic!

How's your acne now?

B
 

 


Hi Graciemeow,
I posted a link of a scientific study in WishCleans topic on inositol about how the birth control pill can lead to issues with insulin, it's probably a few pages back, you might find it interesting.
I also believe the birth control pill exacerbated my issues, I went from non-inflamed acne to nodular acne post-pill.
I see on your signature that you are no longer taking DIM, may I ask why? Ive just started it myself.
 



Hello Everyone!
 
So most of you will be aware that the diagnosis for Polycystic Ovaries can be confusing and depends on a lot of symptoms (which may not all be present) and factors (such as which Doctor you see) etc. For example, I was diagnosed over a year ago because my blood tests showed that my testosterone levels were too high and my periods were very irregular (and I suffer with acne which was my biggest/main concern) however when I had my ultrasound there was only one small cyst which they deemed 'not clinically significant'. Apparantly many women have cysts present on thier ovaries from time to time but these come and go. I don't have a problem with my weight or hirtuism. I know a lot of you out there suspect you may have PCOS but Doctors may not diagnose you with it, or maybe you are in the same situation as me where you have been diagnosed but do not display all of the classic PCOS symptoms. Anyway, I've been doing a lot of research and I recently came across this site:
 
http://www.sensible-...varian-syndrome
 
Which discusses that there are actually two type of PCOS.
Type 1 was mainly focused on insulin resistance, which is believed to be the main underlying cause of PCOS. However the one which interested me the most was 'Type 2' PCOS which is described as non-insulin reistant PCOS and is thought to be caused by the following:
 

  • Elevated LH from Post-pill syndrome (see above)
  • (I am going to do more research on this and also try and find out how long this can last for because I am convinced that going on the contraceptive pill made all my hormonal issues worse)
  • Vitamin D deficiency
  • Iodine deficiency
  • Hormone-disruping toxins such as BPA
  • Adrenal stress which disrupts ovulation (see Stress article, Low Blood Pressure article, and Sleep article)
  • Thyroid disease
  • Insufficient of dietary fat.
  • Leptin deficiency. (Leptin is a hormone secreted by fat, and can be deficient, especially if there is a history of an eating disorder.)
The suggested treatments for these are as follows:
  • Do not take the birth control pill
  • Iodine and vitamin D to promote normal ovulation.
  • Detoxify to remove hormone disrupting chemicals. 
  • Avoid cow's milkto reduce inflammation and clear acne
  • Magnesium and zinc to block testosterone.
  • Peony & Licorice herbal formula to lower testosterone, bring on the periods, and alleviate acne and facial hair.
  • The herbal medine Vitex (Chaste tree) should NOT be used, especially if LH is elevated. It will worsen symptoms.
Although vitex is described on many sites as 'hormone balancing', this could explain why some people's acne worses on Vitex. I am also going to do more research on this as my blood tests stated that my LH was elevated, yet chaste tree seems to work well for me.
 
  • Tribulus herbal medicine.
  • Indole-3-carbinol to assist with oestrogen metabolism and clearance
Which explains why a lot of people have success with DIM
 
PCOS is as complicated to treat as it is to diagnose. A lot of medications that doctors prescribe only deal with type one PCOS which is mainly concerned with insulin resistance - or they just prescribe a birth control pill hoping that that will mask all symptoms. However, it is clear that these medications do not always work as the complexity of PCOS is not taken into consideration, or they are not a long-term option. I hope this helps! Still doing a lot of research on the topic myself but I thought I would share x
 
 Thank you Brenmc, is it on the 'inositols impact on hormonal acne' thread? I'll check it out. I was the same, only my acne worsened as soon as I went on the pill. The pill gave me my first experience of cystic acne (joy).
 
DIM...so basically, I started taking it (Natures Way) after reading all these rave reviews and also at a time when i was really suffering with my acne...but DIM was just another thing i added into my supplement regime along with vitex again, EPO, zinc, vitamin a, fish oil,then inositol...god it was just getting too much and my acne wasn't getting any better and all i was doing was researching things obsessivly and i was just getting stressed and I couldn't tell whether dim was actually helping at all (i took it for around two months) or just making things worse or what so i just cut down on everything. I didn't give it a fair whack to be fair as I was on so much stuff and I reckon it needs at least three months to kick in. In time I may try it again as I see a lot of people on line having positive results. How long have you been on it for? Have you seen any results?
also - do you think that post-pill syndrome is irreversable? or do you think the damage that the pill does to hormones is long-lasting and needs to be managed? 
xx

 

I'll find it and give it a good read :) Regarding DIM, I'm just not sure. WishClean made a good point about me being on Dim Plus rather than just DIM so that could have been it. I just think that I was breaking out so badly all the time that nothing was helping for a while, and maybe I just attributed every new break out to anything new that I added in to my regime maybe. I forked out a good wad of GBP to import 'Estroblock' from the US when I was at my most desperate, but never got around to taking it as I dreaded the initial breakout that people were speaking about on the net. What brand of DIM are you taking? I'll keep checking in on your thread to see how you are doing. I know it may be too early to tell but how are you doing so far?

I will definatly continue researching this. I think I have accepted that I will always have to be on something to help kepe my hormones straight. Agnus Castus was doing a great job until I had a blip, I am getting back on track though now. At the moment...I daren't say it but my skin is doing so so well. I can hardly believe it. I had a small breakout this week because it is around my time of ovulation but these have been small, scant spots rather than the big cystic breakouts I was getting a few months back. I havn't worn make up in weeks. I think this is due to a combination of the agnus castus begining to really kick in along with the herbal mix a naturopath has mixed for me. But I am trying not to get too excited!

 

 

Also, Graciemeow, do you have many of the symptoms of estrogen dominance?

http://www.highonhea...sing-your-acne/

 

estrogen dominance symptoms...I have looked into this in the past but I only display a few. pcos being the main one along with cold hands and feet, anxiety (which I think is just caused by my bad skin) and sweet cravings. I'm not sure how many symptoms should be present before estrogen dominance is classed as the main thing to target, the symtoms of low progesterone resonated with me more (although I read estrogen dominance and low progesterone are actually the same thing?).

 

 

Geoffrey Redmond has probably done more research on PCOS and related hormonal disorders in women than any endocrinologist today.

 

His website is: http://www.hormonehelpny.com/

 

He has several articles on there which you should definitely read. If you have access to medical journals, he also published a lot on the subject. 

 

thank you very much for this Green Gables!! Also it's good to know some people out there (aside from us) are researching this!

 

Great additional research, ladies! Are we past the point where we know more than endocrinologists about PCOS? 

 

Wishclean you have hit the nail on the head there! x


In Topic: Worst Things You've Done Because Of Acne?

03 August 2014 - 05:40 PM

god all sorts. when i was really young and got bad skin on my shoulders i used to self harm pretty bad and scratch at it with the compass out of my pencil case because i thought when it healed it would heal as new skin, daft i know.

a girl i work with recently decided to tell me that she doesn't think my skin is that bad, its just that i have 'a lot of scarring' which is a back-handed compliment if i ever heard one, plus i really didnt think i had any scarring, and since she said that it's made me really dislike her and not want to be as friendly with her...even though i know she was probably only trying to be nice.


In Topic: Information For Pcos/suspected Pcos

03 August 2014 - 05:23 PM

Hi Graciemeow,

I posted a link of a scientific study in WishClean’s topic on inositol about how the birth control pill can lead to issues with insulin, it's probably a few pages back, you might find it interesting.

I also believe the birth control pill exacerbated my issues, I went from non-inflamed acne to nodular acne post-pill.

I see on your signature that you are no longer taking DIM, may I ask why? I’ve just started it myself.

 

Hello Everyone!

 

So most of you will be aware that the diagnosis for Polycystic Ovaries can be confusing and depends on a lot of symptoms (which may not all be present) and factors (such as which Doctor you see) etc. For example, I was diagnosed over a year ago because my blood tests showed that my testosterone levels were too high and my periods were very irregular (and I suffer with acne which was my biggest/main concern) however when I had my ultrasound there was only one small cyst which they deemed 'not clinically significant'. Apparantly many women have cysts present on thier ovaries from time to time but these come and go. I don't have a problem with my weight or hirtuism. I know a lot of you out there suspect you may have PCOS but Doctors may not diagnose you with it, or maybe you are in the same situation as me where you have been diagnosed but do not display all of the classic PCOS symptoms. Anyway, I've been doing a lot of research and I recently came across this site:

 

http://www.sensible-...varian-syndrome

 

Which discusses that there are actually two type of PCOS.

Type 1 was mainly focused on insulin resistance, which is believed to be the main underlying cause of PCOS. However the one which interested me the most was 'Type 2' PCOS which is described as non-insulin reistant PCOS and is thought to be caused by the following:

 

  • Elevated LH from Post-pill syndrome (see above)
  • (I am going to do more research on this and also try and find out how long this can last for because I am convinced that going on the contraceptive pill made all my hormonal issues worse)
  • Vitamin D deficiency
  • Iodine deficiency
  • Hormone-disruping toxins such as BPA
  • Adrenal stress which disrupts ovulation (see Stress article, Low Blood Pressure article, and Sleep article)
  • Thyroid disease
  • Insufficient of dietary fat.
  • Leptin deficiency. (Leptin is a hormone secreted by fat, and can be deficient, especially if there is a history of an eating disorder.)

The suggested treatments for these are as follows:

  • Do not take the birth control pill
  • Iodine and vitamin D to promote normal ovulation.
  • Detoxify to remove hormone disrupting chemicals. 
  • Avoid cow's milkto reduce inflammation and clear acne
  • Magnesium and zinc to block testosterone.
  • Peony & Licorice herbal formula to lower testosterone, bring on the periods, and alleviate acne and facial hair.
  • The herbal medine Vitex (Chaste tree) should NOT be used, especially if LH is elevated. It will worsen symptoms.

Although vitex is described on many sites as 'hormone balancing', this could explain why some people's acne worses on Vitex. I am also going to do more research on this as my blood tests stated that my LH was elevated, yet chaste tree seems to work well for me.

 

  • Tribulus herbal medicine.
  • Indole-3-carbinol to assist with oestrogen metabolism and clearance

Which explains why a lot of people have success with DIM

 

PCOS is as complicated to treat as it is to diagnose. A lot of medications that doctors prescribe only deal with type one PCOS which is mainly concerned with insulin resistance - or they just prescribe a birth control pill hoping that that will mask all symptoms. However, it is clear that these medications do not always work as the complexity of PCOS is not taken into consideration, or they are not a long-term option. I hope this helps! Still doing a lot of research on the topic myself but I thought I would share x

 

 Thank you Brenmc, is it on the 'inositols impact on hormonal acne' thread? I'll check it out. I was the same, only my acne worsened as soon as I went on the pill. The pill gave me my first experience of cystic acne (joy).

 

DIM...so basically, I started taking it (Natures Way) after reading all these rave reviews and also at a time when i was really suffering with my acne...but DIM was just another thing i added into my supplement regime along with vitex again, EPO, zinc, vitamin a, fish oil,then inositol...god it was just getting too much and my acne wasn't getting any better and all i was doing was researching things obsessivly and i was just getting stressed and I couldn't tell whether dim was actually helping at all (i took it for around two months) or just making things worse or what so i just cut down on everything. I didn't give it a fair whack to be fair as I was on so much stuff and I reckon it needs at least three months to kick in. In time I may try it again as I see a lot of people on line having positive results. How long have you been on it for? Have you seen any results?

also - do you think that post-pill syndrome is irreversable? or do you think the damage that the pill does to hormones is long-lasting and needs to be managed? 

xx


In Topic: Who Did You Used To Be Before Acne

03 August 2014 - 05:12 PM

I was a prepubescent 12 year old lol sad.png

My skin was clear on accutane 3 year ago, though, and it was a great feeling. I try to remember what that was like and push myself toward that every day.

 

Yeah accutane made me clear for the first time since I was around 12/13 and it was crazy how good it made me feel. I actually forgot what it was like to have acne until it returned about a year after being on accutane. A lot of people take having clear skin for granted where as it's something pretty much everyone on this site would trade almost anything for.

 

 

Thanks for posting this. 

 

I was nine.

 

Whenever "inner child" comes up, I remember a clear-skinned little girl who had stage fright but loved rehearsal, piano, dance, mermaids and manatees, reading, writing poetry and short stories, going to musicals and plays. I didn't judge other girls, no matter how weird they thought I was. I lived in my imagination, but loved to laugh and be silly with my friends.  I loved my dog. 

 

Any clear time after then, I was already folding in on myself, dysmorphic, judging myself, judging others.  Only male validation mattered. I still measure my success by my sexual power, including rejection and withholding, although the isolation has made academic accomplishments possible, when I gave up the oblivion of drugs.  The rest of my life apart from my reflection and beauty has blinked away like a dream in the morning. I still love animals, they don't care what you look like. 

 

Who am I when I'm clear and why am I still afraid, still waiting for the skin fallout, for my body and time to betray me again?

 

Turn0ver that's beautifully written, thank you for sharing. I strongly believe that the emotional scars of acne run deeper than anything physical, and becoming clear leaves a feeling of constant fear and anxiety of breaking out. It's something I am still struggling with in my journey for achieving and maintaining clear skin. The Love Vitamin website has a lot of articles on how to deal with 'the fear' of breaking out which are a good read and some of it may resonate.

It would be a shame for you to live in fear of breaking out. Are you still close to girls now, or only males? x