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#3460788 Scar Success!

Posted by DC-girl on 20 November 2014 - 12:26 PM

Hey DC-girl,

 

First off, thanks so much for posting this. I have really similar scarring to yours from overuse of benzoyl peroxide, so your story really gives me hope and I plan on doing both TCA and dermastamping or rolling in the future. That being said, I still have cystic acne, although I think its like remnants trapped in my skin and not anything new. Just out of curiosity, how'd you get rid of your acne?

 

 

I use Spironolactone and diet.  Spiro is a Godsend for me. But it did take about 6-9 months before I totally stopped breaking out. However I DID treat scars during that period too.

 

But diet is still very important. If I stray and eat junk food I will get clogged pores again.



Hi everyone,

 

Here's my before and afters:

http://www.acne.org/...8-scar-success/

 

Just wanted to post my success for moral support and encouragement for anyone else like me that thought they'd NEVER make progress.

I had acne my whole life and it became cystic when I reached my late 20's. I had the worst acne of ANYONE I'd ever seen, I even had to have some surgical excision of cysts that never left. It was that bad. I don't use any acne products. I only wash my face once a day, don't even wash it in the mornings. I use coconut oil as a cleanser sometimes and a makeup remover if I wear make up.

 

The pics are about 2 years apart.  I attribute the improvement in scarring to derma-stamping, single needling, STOPPING retin-A, silicone mircro-droplet injections, TCA spot treatment on scars and eating a healthy diet with no soy, grains, or unsaturated oils. There are some red areas in this after pic because I recently did some TCA spot treating on a couple icepick scars but I don't break out anymore and this redness is temporary and easily covered with make up.
I highly recommend derma-stamping and TCA for scars, when used cautiously and only if you've educated yourself on proper use. I really love using a 30%tca to spot treat small spots at a time because I don't have to hide in my house for 2 weeks that way, it's a slower longer process but I find that at least that way it actually gets done. As for stamping, I now do it once a month (or every 4-6 weeks) and I also just starting massaging my face and scars which feels good and brings blood flow to the surface of your skin making it healthier.  There's a post somewhere on the forums here called "30min massage for scars" you can read which is very helpful too. I don't even use any cleansers except honey in the shower and sometimes coconut oil. I got rid of all the store bought, chemical laden crap. That being said, I do think salicylic acid, lactic acid and tca are good as long as they're not done too much, and health wise, I feel they're pretty safe to use. They're made from milk and fruit.
I used to think it would never get better and I'm so glad I was patient, took pictures, kept learning, and kept persevering.

Did you do the TCA at home yourself?? My scars are so similar to yours please please please tell me what you bought and how you did this pleasee! Your skin looks AMAZING now!!

 

Yes, I do tca and more recently Jessners peels at home.

I used TCA from make up artists choice and skin obsession.

I bought dermastamps from Owndoc.com

 

And I use the cheap little diabetic prick needles you can get at Waglreens/CVS to single needle. Like this:

http://www.walgreens...6097759-product

 

I LOVE using those because they are already sanitzed (they come with a little cap) and they're so cheap. It's like 100 needles for 3 bucks.

 

I also have gone to see Dr Sam Lam in Texas for fillers. He's excellent at what he does. But I wouldn't be where I am today without needling and tca.

 

And thanks!



Hi DC-girl,

You said you got rid of new scars with TCA, is that correct? Like they completely disappeared? 

How old were they? 

And how many times did you have to use TCA on them? 

I have heard that new scars are easier to treat because they haven't 'matured'.

I believe most of my scars are less than 4 months old, like they're still red, and they all flatten out when I stretch my skin.

I am really torn about taking action now or waiting to see what will happen to them over the next few months (still hoping the will magically go away I suppose) but I don't want to miss that window of opportunity to treat them while they're fresh.

Any advice would be appreciated.   

 

 

The new ones were probably less than 6 months old.

Oh yeah, if they're still red they are very young, and might not even be a real scar.  You should have success with some deep peels on those and at the least it would remove redness and then you could see where you stand.

 

You can try needling and see if it feels like a scar. If you needle it and it's tough, or hurts and there is a lot of resistance you'll know there's scar tissue there. If it's soft than it will probably go away on it's own.



btw you said that you do stamping once a month now. how often would you do it before?

 

Whenever I could. Sometimes every week, depending on how deep or thorough I went last time.

And sometimes I would forget to do it for a couple months at a time.



did you just have rolling scars ? how many treatment did you do 

 

I had rolling, icepick and boxscar.

 

No idea. A LOT. It's been years.



Ok awesome I drink raw milk. I also eat grass fed butter. I will start cooking my kale and putting butter on it, I always eat it raw in smoothies but sometimes I'm not sure if my stomach digests greens that well for some reason.

 

I've been doing lots and lots of reading and I think acne has made me smarter (at least!) just because I love reading on how our body heals and works with different vitamins, minerals, proteins, good fats and enzymes. I would had never know what i know today if it weren't for skin problems. love researching on it I now am free of acne but since I'm working on my scarring I try to stay away from alcohol for the most part to help my body heal faster.

 

thank you for all the help! your amazing!

 

Believe it or not, I would recommend cooking your greens, not eating them raw. They won't digest well and can be anti thyroid. Google Ray Peat's articles on the scientific basis for this.

 

And you're on the right track focusing on diet.

If you're dieting and not getting enough calories and good protein (milk and cheese for example which have a good calcuim to phospate ratio) you're body simply CAN'T heal properly.

 

This is probably why some people can do the exact same scar treatment and while one person won't get anywhere, the other will have success. Your body needs to be healthy to heal well. There simply are no short-cuts.

 

 

 


 

I also want to edit this to include an awesome tool I recently discovered which I LOVE which is this:

http://www.amazon.co...ni suction cups

 

After you do needling (make sure you do it enough that you're bleeding pretty good because blood flow is the key to renewing tissues and creating more scar free skin), put on a suction cup right away.

It's awesome at bringing and keeping blood flow to the area!

 

 

 

Additionally, a lot of people keep messaging me asking the same questions which I've already addressed, so here's some recapping and general tips:

 

 

When you do TCA make sure you do a test spot, like maybe by your ear or someplace you can cover it up if need be.

 

My experience with TCA and other peels is that it's worth doing a heavy peel if you can manage the downtime because you will get a whole new layer of skin on your face. And it will remove or at least lighten red marks right away.

 

And If you do a TCA peel, say 12.5% and it doesn't seem to do much, you can slowly increase to a higher strength (very carefully) and get the results you're looking for. I use a q-tip to apply acids. But I've used toothpicks before too if I'm treating an icepick scar. I've used anywhere from 12.5% to 30% depending on what I'm treating.  I would not recommend doing a peel at the same time as needling. Maybe a couple days after.  Or you could alternate needling with peels every couple weeks.

 

The concentration you want really depends on YOUR skin, so I can't say exactly what's best for each person. The higher the concentration, the better the results, but you should still work up to it. And do your whole face if you can so you don't have spots that are darker than other parts of your face.

I haven't done a lot of lactic or glycolic peels but I've done some Jessners peels lately, which I LOVE because it doesn't make my skin dark.

 

If you do something like say a Jesssners peel, you won't have as much downtime and you can do it every two weeks usually. I like those ones. On my skin I figured out if I only do 1 or 2 layers, it won't frost or anything and then I'll very slowly peel around 4-7 days later.

However, if I do it heavier, until frosted, it will look MUCH WORSE at first because it will darken then skin, but then the good part is it repairs more at once and you peel sooner. On my skin if I do a deep peel, I'm actually done with it quicker because it's so deep that it peels quickly.

 

Some scars will not improve very much with peels because there is such deep scar tissue underneath that the TCA can only reach maybe 10-20% of the depth of the problem. So that's why you need to combine needling with peels. Rolling scars are most likely going to respond better to deep needling and fillers (go to someone very experienced if you do this! Dr Sam Lam is the only I can reccommend because I've been to him with sucess).

 

And I've been really surprised before at scars that I thought were minor atrophic shallow scars, only to find out when I needled it that there was a ton of really hard thick scar tissue under the surface. It seems needling at an angle almost flat underneath the skin is the best way to break that kind of scar up.

And you'll know when you hit scar tissue because it will kinda snap and pop a bit, and/or be painful and you'll feel a lot more resistance. Sometimes I find a lot of scarring where you can't even see it from the surface, it might by 1 cm away from the scar but I find it with my needle.

 

Also, instead of just doing what other people tell you or trying to find step by step instructions, think about what kind of scar you have, what's causing the appearance and treat accordingly. For instance, if it's rolling, there's probably a lot of thick hard tissue underneath that needs to be needled. You could needle it several times and also get filler to perfect it.

 

If it's icepick your best bet is usually to needle it from all angles underneath in combo with a high percentage TCA spot treatment.

If it's a box scar which is usually the most difficult, it will need needling and TCA but I think needling and/fillers is the best for those because TCA won't reach it all.

 

And don't eat junk. If you're dieting and not getting enough calories and good protein (milk and cheese for example which have a good calcuim to phospate ratio) you're body simply CAN'T heal properly.

This is probably why some people can do the exact same scar treatment and while one person won't get anywhere, the other will have success. Your body needs to be healthy to heal well. There simply are no short-cuts.

 

God bless ya'll and good luck! You'll get there.

Part of the sucess is figuring it out on your own too. So enjoy that part of it. There's some common sense involved. Be careful, test and observe. Treat it like a math problem and problem solve. It CAN be fixed or at the least DRAMATICALLY improved. That I know FOR SURE.




#3434148 Scar Success!

Posted by DC-girl on 31 May 2014 - 09:36 AM

why did you mention no grains in your diet ? 

 

Because they are inflammatory, harmful, accelerate aging and are hard to digest. They hurt your metabolism and therefore your ability to heal well. There's a ton of info out there about why you should stop eating grains and espectially wheat. Do your research.

 

Here's something to help you get started.

http://raypeat.com/a.../glycemia.shtml




#3413118 Scar Success!

Posted by DC-girl on 09 February 2014 - 02:17 PM

@aurevoir771  Got a quick question for you DC-Girl. You said you went off retin-a before doing any treatment. How long were you off of retin-a before you did your first treatment? YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE OFF RETIN-A AT LEAST 7-10 DAYS BEFORE YOU DO A PEEL.

 

Also, did you start with TCA peel first or dermastamp? DON'T KNOW, DOESN'T MATTER. STAMPING/NEEDLING IS GOOD FOR THICK SCARS, OLD SCARS AND TCA GIVES QUICK RESULTS FOR NEWER SHALLOW SCARRING. 

 

 

I used retin-a out of curiosity for 6 days, but dropped it right away because it was only doing harms to my skin. I think vitamin A products in general can do more harms than goods when it comes to dealing with scarring.

NO, IT'S NOT THE VITAMIN A THAT'S THE PROBLEM, IT'S THE SYNTHETIC VERSION THAT THESE GUYS HAVE MANUFACTURED AS RETIN-A THAT'S TOXIC FOR YOU. VITAMIN A IS VERY GOOD FOR YOU. BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE A PROPER DIET THAT GETS YOU PLENY OF VITAMIN A MORE THAN ANYTHING TOPICAL IS GIVING YOU. GIVING UP RETIN-A WAS A GOOD DECISION. BRAVO. 

 

It has been a week since I came off retin-a, and I want to start the treatment ASAP. At the same time, I am scared that my skin is too sensitive at the moment due to vitamin A overdose. Your insight would be greatly helpful. Thanks.

FIRST OFF, DON'T BE IN A RUSH, IT TAKES TIME TO FIX SCARRING. IT TAKES 30 DAYS FOR YOUR SKIN TO TURNOVER SO TRY TO BE PATIENT. IF YOU'R NOT ON ACCUTANE THEN 7-10 AFTER QUITTING RETIN-A SHOULD BE FINE TO START TCA/STAMPING. 



#3408773 Scar Success!

Posted by DC-girl on 18 January 2014 - 05:39 PM

LOL. I went to the owndoc site, the before and after pictures are all rigged with different angles and much different lightening which will obviously give the impression there has been improvement.   Unfortunately I think it is a load of BS...

Well you can get derma-stamps anywhere, doesn't have to be owndoc, if you don't like them.

They work for me though.



What's the difference with tca cross and tca peel and which method do you recommend?

 Cross generally means a 100% application.

I've never done that because I was too nervous about it so I just used 30% tca, generally just as a spot treatment so I didn't have a lot of downtime.




#3408729 Scar Success!

Posted by DC-girl on 18 January 2014 - 12:59 PM

Thanks so much.

NO! I meant exactly what I said; I DO NOT EAT UN-saturated oils. I DO EAT healthy Saturated fats, coconut oil, butter, etc.

It helps both acne and scarring, a healthy body both kills inflammation/infection (acne)  and heals better (scarring).

 

I'm old, LOL, early thirties, so some of the scars were very recent, and some were 10 years old.

 

I'm happy to hear it gives you hope, that's exciting!

 

No omega-3, fish oils, olive oil etc then. I will have to read up on this, I always though unsaturated fat was considered good. O3 particularly is considered a miracle cure for just about everything.

 

Yeah, I know, I always thought that too. I do eat some olive oil but not a lot like I used to.

You want saturated fats. Unsaturated fats lead to increased inflammation,etc. I know a lot about this because I struggled with arthritis too and they were always telling me to eat Omega-3's and I was having bad flare-ups. And it makes a lot of sense when you think about it, we're land animals, mammals, not fish or plants.

Read Ray Peat's articles on his website if you want to learn more. He explains about the old studies (on essential fatty acids) they base all that omega-3 info on. Just a warning, it's not exactly light reading, so put your thinking cap on when you do, they're science articles, he's not selling a book, or a diet, or anything, so you really have to educate yourself on this by taking the time to read and understand it.




#3408707 Scar Success!

Posted by DC-girl on 18 January 2014 - 11:20 AM

Congratulations on your success!

 

I have a question on single needling, do you also poke the borders of the scars or just in the scars?

 

I hit any and all area that is scar tissue. So yes, I poke the borders.

 

Remember, a lot of people stamp/roll non-scarred skin for anti-aging/wrinkle benefits too, so it's not a huge deal if you got slightly outside the scar.



DC-girl your skin looks fantastic. Congratulations!

 

When you said you cut out unsaturated fats, did you mean to say saturated fats? Are you saying these diet changes helped your needling success or were you more talking about getting rid the acne?

 

I'd also be interested to know how old your scars were and how old you are, if that's not too personal a question.

 

Thank you so much for posting.your success, it really helps to give hope.

 

Thanks so much.

NO! I meant exactly what I said; I DO NOT EAT UN-saturated oils. I DO EAT healthy Saturated fats, coconut oil, butter, etc.

It helps both acne and scarring, a healthy body both kills inflammation/infection (acne)  and heals better (scarring).

 

I'm old, LOL, early thirties, so some of the scars were very recent, and some were 10 years old.

 

I'm happy to hear it gives you hope, that's exciting!




#3408620 Scar Success!

Posted by DC-girl on 17 January 2014 - 11:17 PM

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i doubt 30% tca chemica peels wipe away shallow scars because i have tried it already and my scars are shallow

 

Feel free to doubt all you want. I'm not gonna waste my time trying to convince you.  It eliminated a couple of scars for me that were new, shallow scars. That's a fact, end of story. 

Sorry you haven't had good luck. If your diet is bad, you might not be healing as well, or maybe your scars are old, which means they need more than 1 treatment. Or maybe you didn't do it right, or maybe you used a crappy tca, the possibilities are endless, my friend.

 

or 30% tca peel wouldnt be strong enough to read the dermis to fix the scars or you would get second degree burns

 

Dude. A tca peel IS a chemical burn. And if you have a scar that's too deep, of course you should needle it or go another route if you're not getting success with TCA.

What are you after here? I have before and after pics and laid out exactly how I got here just to be helpful. What's your goal? Trying to dissuade someone from improving their scars with TCA? Why? Because they might burn themselves? OF COURSE YOU CAN BURN YOURSELF, IT'S AN ACID. A TCA peel is simply controlled damage.  That's why I VERY CLEARLY said in my initial post, that I recommend TCA when you've educated yourself and it's used cautiously and properly. Is there anything on this planet that can't hurt you when you're not prepared or don't handle it properly? A kitten could claw you in the eye and put your eye out if you're careless enough.

 

And if a scar's too deep for TCA, then use needling or other means, I never said TCA is the only way to treat scars, I just said it brought immediate improvement in some newer shallow ones I had. That's it. I clearly stated I used both of these AND SEVERAL OTHER TACTICS BESIDES ACIDS to get where I am now.

 

I'm just telling people what I've done and what works for me. I do this because I know the agony of hopelessness that many people with scars have.




#3408608 Scar Success!

Posted by DC-girl on 17 January 2014 - 09:49 PM

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i doubt 30% tca chemica peels wipe away shallow scars because i have tried it already and my scars are shallow

 

Feel free to doubt all you want. I'm not gonna waste my time trying to convince you.  It eliminated a couple of scars for me that were new, shallow scars. That's a fact, end of story. 

Sorry you haven't had good luck. If your diet is bad, you might not be healing as well, or maybe your scars are old, which means they need more than 1 treatment. Or maybe you didn't do it right, or maybe you used a crappy tca, the possibilities are endless, my friend.




#3408510 Scar Success!

Posted by DC-girl on 17 January 2014 - 03:11 PM

Hi everyone,

 

Here's my before and afters:

http://www.acne.org/...8-scar-success/

 

Just wanted to post my success for moral support and encouragement for anyone else like me that thought they'd NEVER make progress.

I had acne my whole life and it became cystic when I reached my late 20's. I had the worst acne of ANYONE I'd ever seen, I even had to have some surgical excision of cysts that never left. It was that bad. I don't use any acne products. I only wash my face once a day, don't even wash it in the mornings. I use coconut oil as a cleanser sometimes and a makeup remover if I wear make up.

 

The pics are about 2 years apart.  I attribute the improvement in scarring to derma-stamping, single needling, STOPPING retin-A, silicone mircro-droplet injections, TCA spot treatment on scars and eating a healthy diet with no soy, grains, or unsaturated oils. There are some red areas in this after pic because I recently did some TCA spot treating on a couple icepick scars but I don't break out anymore and this redness is temporary and easily covered with make up.
I highly recommend derma-stamping and TCA for scars, when used cautiously and only if you've educated yourself on proper use. I really love using a 30%tca to spot treat small spots at a time because I don't have to hide in my house for 2 weeks that way, it's a slower longer process but I find that at least that way it actually gets done. As for stamping, I now do it once a month (or every 4-6 weeks) and I also just starting massaging my face and scars which feels good and brings blood flow to the surface of your skin making it healthier.  There's a post somewhere on the forums here called "30min massage for scars" you can read which is very helpful too. I don't even use any cleansers except honey in the shower and sometimes coconut oil. I got rid of all the store bought, chemical laden crap. That being said, I do think salicylic acid, lactic acid and tca are good as long as they're not done too much, and health wise, I feel they're pretty safe to use. They're made from milk and fruit.
I used to think it would never get better and I'm so glad I was patient, took pictures, kept learning, and kept persevering.




#3408487 Freedom From Scars And Acne!

Posted by DC-girl on 17 January 2014 - 02:14 PM

Hi everyone,

 

I've got another before pic on my gallery. I can't seem to fit more than these 2 pictures on this post so here's the link to the other one:

http://www.acne.org/...8-scar-success/

 

Just wanted to post my success for moral support and encouragement for anyone else like me that thought they'd NEVER get clear. I had acne my whole life and it became cystic when I reached my late 20's. I had the worst acne of ANYONE I'd ever seen, I even had to have some surgical excision of cysts that never left. It was that bad, this picture doesn't do it justice but it's the best I've got. I had periods where I had some improvement and I'd get hopeful but I was never permanently clear until this year when I starting on Spironolactone and changed my diet.  I waited to post this until enough time has passed that I knew for a fact I was done breaking out. The last inflamed zit I has was 8 months ago. I changed my diet about 10 months ago I started spiro about 15 or 16 months ago, so it took about 8 months after starting spiro and 2 months after changing my diet for me to be totally clear. Even if I cheat on my diet I don't get acne anymore, maybe some clogged pores but no acne. I don't use any acne products. I only wash my face once a day, don't even wash it in the mornings. I use coconut oil as a cleanser sometimes and a makeup remover if I wear make up.

I started out at 75mg of Spiro and upped it to 150mg within 3 months after crying to my derm to let me up it. I want to give a shout out to Green Gables for her post on spiro too which was so helpful and got me going on it. As for the diet part of it which is also very important, I stay away from all junk food, fast food, and any type of grain and or soy. To the best of my ability I do not eat ANY unsaturated oils, which means the only ones I do eat are coconut oil and olive oil. Google Ray peat and read his articles on aging, inflammation, health etc and educate yourself on this subject. It might very well save your life as well as clear your skin.

 

The pics are about 2 years apart. The other gallery post shows my scars better and I attribute the improvement in scarring to derma-stamping, single needling, STOPPING retin-A, silicone mircro-droplet injections, TCA spot treatment on scars and eating a healthy diet like I mention above. There are some red areas in this after pic because I recently did some TCA spot treating but I don't break out anymore and this redness is temporary and easily covered with make up.
I highly recommend derma-stamping and TCA for scars, when used cautiously and only if you've educated yourself on proper use. I really love using a 30%tca to spot treat small spots at a time because I don't have to hide in my house for 2 weeks that way, it's a slower longer process but I find that at least that way it actually gets done. As for stamping, I now do it once a month (or every 4-6 weeks) and I also just starting massaging my face and scars which feels good and brings blood flow to the surface of your skin making it healthier.  There's a post somewhere on the forums here called "30min massage for scars" you can read which is very helpful too. I don't even use any cleansers except honey in the shower and sometimes coconut oil. I got rid of all the store bought, chemical laden crap. That being said, I do think salicylic acid, lactic acid and tca are good as long as they're not done too much, and health wise, I feel they're pretty safe to use. They're made from milk and fruit.
I used to think it would never get better and I'm so glad I was patient, took pictures, kept learning, and kept persevering.

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#3331460 Cortisone Shots Gone Wrong

Posted by DC-girl on 06 March 2013 - 02:55 PM

I had 2 cortisone shots last month that caused atrophy.

But it filled in on its own within 2 weeks. No big deal. 

 

I have also had atrophy from cortisone stay for months and that time I got it filled with HA filler and it was as good as new after that. Problem solved.

 

My BIGGEST mistake of my life was NOT getting cortisone shots; posts like this one caused me to get scared so I let a mountainous cyst grow until it was the size of a quarter. I finally then gave in and got a cortisone shot.

I wish I had done it earlier because I most likely would have saved myself the scarring from the cyst. 

Lesson learned. The next time (hopefully never) that I get  a cyst I'm having it injected as soon as I know its going to be big and stop it in its tracks.

 

Just my 2 cents from my personal experience.




#3313801 Cortisone Shots Gone Wrong

Posted by DC-girl on 27 December 2012 - 08:40 PM

Why haven't you just gotten filler put in the dents.
I've had cortisone/and or cyst scarring before and getting HA filler put in worked wonders.
It was like it was never even there.


#3309355 Help! I Don't Know What Happened!

Posted by DC-girl on 08 December 2012 - 08:16 PM

Read this thread;

http://www.acne.org/...t-lead-to-acne/