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25 April 2013 - 04:16 PM

Read this off of amazon by mistake. Quite an interesting read. I would love to hear a discussion about this since these guy actually provides evidence. Do i personally agree with everything? Not really, however he makes valid points which i love to see.

 

"In acne, the pores get damaged and inflammation results. Pathogenic bacteria are there TRYING to clean up the damaged tissue by consuming it. The primary inflammation at the pore results from your own immune response to your own damaged tissue, not to the bacteria, though. In any case, the immune system is not meant to be deployed chronically this way.

Usually, tissue damage would be a sporadic event. Then the immune system would permit a short-term local infection. The scavenging bacteria---called pathogens---gently dissolve, absorb, and compost the damaged tissue as a free meal. Once unable to detect and dissolve more damaged tissue---as all the damaged tissue marked as condemned property is gone---the bacteria start to starve and die. Amid their crisis, the immune system, having exploited their free cleanup help, contain the remaining population before some survivors, through an adaptation called virulence, detect and eat cells of increasing health. The book Wild Health illustrates how this system, untampered with, results in astonishing healing capacity of injured wild animals. Yet generally, by assuming that infection is a crisis via immune poverty, we're perplexed by the ultimate healing outcomes [pages 92 to 93: http://books.google....oks?id=8FwqLh2a

2ckC&pg=PA92&lpg=PA92].

When the damage to your own tissue recurs chronically, though, eventually there's immune confusion: autoimmunity against your own tissue---which is found behaving like a persistent pest---and needless warfare on bacteria residing there for unusually long. Then you have continual inflammation---acne.

Killing the bacteria perpetuates the cause of acne, because the cause of acne is your own damaged tissue. When scavenging bacteria, called pathogens, are killed and thus cannot consume it and remove it, that might at first relieve some of the immune confusion and overreaction. Yet next, your own immune system will have to go gobble your own damaged tissue even more. This is less desirable than having bacteria consume the damaged tissue.

Pathogenic bacteria are much smaller than your body cells. They eat your damaged cells gently. To eat, they cause these damaged cells---abandoned by your immune system---to dissolve, and then they absorb the waste. By eating it, they compost the waste to tiny volume.

When a woman presents with E. coli on a pap smear, the gynecologist will likely admonish her, presuming she wiped her anus improperly. Yet the E. coli is likely there to help dissolve and compost degenerate tissue at her cervix so she doesn't form cancer tumors there [www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16929170] [www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2650710] [HeLa cells are cervical cancer cells used by labs: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6146569]. Online, you can see a basic discussion of bacteria versus body cells, and how they operate [E. coli is covered on the 2nd page: http://science.howst...ks.com/cellular-microscopic-biology/cell.htm].

On the other hand, when your own immune system---which has cells called phagocytes that are big and aggressive like tropical water's protozoa that eat by directly munching on cells---has to go clear your own damaged tissue, it's like your cells being eaten alive. This results in a lot of inflammation and, unless you eat optimally, a lot of scarring. And if this keeps recurring, your immune system increasingly considers that tissue of your own body as a pest.

Overall, there are five main things going on with acne:

1) Your fatty acids are imbalanced. Your diet is too high in omega6 fatty acids, leading to inflammatory prostaglandins driving needless inflammation. Omega3 to omega6 ratio is thought to be ideally about 1:1, whereas many persons nowadays consume a ratio as low as 1:20. Omega3 fatty acids restore proper prostaglandin metabolism, creating healing prostaglandins that quell inflammation. And rebalancing your fatty acids will likely make your skin oil thinner, less likely to clog pores.

Daily, you can take a tablespoon or two, though usually one is enough, of flaxseed oil, rich in omega3. Added borage oil, rich in one critical omega6 that many persons have trouble making, called gamma-linolenic acid (GLA), can make a big difference.

The oil ought to not be heated above 96 degrees, like the brands Barlean's and Flora and Spectrum last I myself knew. It ought to be refrigerated both before purchase---or during shipment---and at home, and used quickly once the bottle is opened. Flaxseed oil is extremely rapid to oxidize and go rancid, and eating that is perhaps worse than eating none. I would not buy capsules---whose oil is damaged by heat during encapsulation---and would buy only bottled liquid. I would use the brand Barlean's, which makes a combination product ["Omega Twin - Flax/Borage Oil Combination": www.barleans.com/flaxoil_blends.asp]. If standalone borage oil is ever sought, Barlean's makes the only liquid borage oil that I know of [www.barleans.com/specialty_oils.asp].

2) Your mucosal and skin flora are imbalanced. Your surfaces, because your body tissues have degenerated via previous assaults---antibiotics, vaccinations, excess grain, excess sugar, damaged protein, damaged fat, emotional devastation, needlessly stressful mood, deficient diet---are proliferating nonnative strains of microbes. Essentially, your surfaces are proliferating microbes that are trying to compost you while you're still alive.

Fit tissues proliferate native strains of bacteria called probiotics [www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19711025] [www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18489317]---which live along with and support your body---naturally, at least if they're implanted in your gut soon after birth by raw milk [The Untold Story of Milk] [www.drrons.com/raw-milk-history-health-benefits-distortions.htm]. Raw milk, teeming in such acidic bacteria, was once used by aware MDs to routinely cure various illnesses, even tuberculosis (formerly called consumption) [http://openlibrary.org/b/OL7233177M] [www.realmilk.com/milkcure.html].

You can help rebalance the microbes by consuming soured raw milk [http://realmilk.com/where1.html]. The father of modern immunology, Elie Metchnikoff, Nobel Prize winner, tried to tell us this 100 years ago. Or you can make cultured raw vegetables, as indicated by Donna Gates and her book The Body Ecology Diet. Less favorably, you can use probiotics in a bottle, like the brands Natren or Jarrow.

Mainstream scientific researchers are at last catching up. Maybe one day, eventually, mainstream medical training and press will heed the information. Don't expect to hear it from a dermatologist---who instead will probably prescribe antibiotics to treat a symptom but perpetuate the cause---or on the news, or from a maker of topical acne treatments. Fix the gut bacteria, and inflammatory conditions---even periodontitis in the teeth [http://dictionary.re...ce.com/browse/periodontitis]---recede:

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19785495
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17852859
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11768558
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18584522
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19018031
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12811208
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18050295
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19235886
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17119388
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19519444
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15220681
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19785495

3) Your body probably cannot process the resins in cooked red plant tissue (and maybe orange and yellow as well). Fat in plant tissue is associated with resin---such as forms amber fossils or forms petroleum in oil wells or are engineered into nail polish which all suggest how persistent these molecules are---and when the plant tissue is heated, the intrinsic enzymes that cleave these resin molecules are destroyed.

Some persons have mutations to handle them anyway, yet if you have acne, chances are slim that you have a mutation to make the enzymes needed to cleave these resins [We Want to Live (2005 Expanded Edition)]. [Basic enzyme function is covered on the 3rd page: http://science.howst...ks.com/cellular-microscopic-biology/cell.htm] When these uncleaved and aggregated molecules reach the pores, carried through by skin oils, they irritate and damage the pores.

Along with grain being highly inflammatory---by spiking blood sugar and causing both AGEs or advanced glycation endproducts and acrylamides to accumulate in tissues and deactivate and scar the tissues and thereby prompt the immune system to mark the useless tissue with inflammatory markers called cytokines to label them as condemned property and thus invite either pathogenic bacteria to consume it or summon the immune system's own aggressive gobbler cells to gobble it---the resins in cooked red plant matter, not the fat in cheese, is probably the pizza connection to acne that some people experience. A cousin of my good friend and roommate in college erased his acne by omitting pizza, which he had previously eaten much and often, though I had nothing to do with his experiment.

4) Your skin surface is too alkaline. With acidic bacteria native to all mucosal and skin surfaces, the body tries to keep what's called an acid mantle. As soap is formed by the action of a strong alkali---called saponifier---upon fat, soap is strongly alkaline and strips the skin's acid mantle. You can buy a low-pH soap (one that's acidic). When my sister had acne about a decade ago, I suggested to her such a soap. She said it helped, and she kept buying it awhile, though eventually her acne went away. I don't remember what the particular soap was called. If you ask Jerry Hickey, of Hickey Chemists, in New York City, whom you can probably reach by phone, he'll tell you.

Yet nearly any soap---even Dove which is supposedly gentle but used to cause me rash outbreaks before I fully recovered from eczema---is polluted with contaminants unlabeled. I fared all right, without inciting outbreaks, using Ivory. Now I use a soap, made by Self Health Resource Center, of just three ingredients---lard, water, lye---the way soaps used to be made. Being what a soap is, it's highly alkaline, but that's okay for me. You can then rinse with a very dilute rinse of water and raw apple cider vinegar, like the brand Bragg's found in virtually every healthfood store, to restore an acid mantle. (Reputedly, there are live acidic bacteria in it, yet I can't substantiate that, myself, since to me it seems acidic enough to have killed its own bacteria, and further I see no gas release from bottles.)

If using municipal water, I would use a shower filter, containing KDF and Chlorgon, to remove the chlorine. Chlorine, a powerful oxidant, kills bacteria and causes tissue inflammation. In fact, chlorine gas was chemical warfare in WWI to kill soldiers in trenches who breathed it [http://en.wikipedia....iki/Chlorine#Use_as_a_weapon]. For most persons, with shower water, the effect is either slow and subtle or just happens on the interior in places, like arteries, lacking pain sensors. If you have a prominent inflammatory condition, though, the difference will likely be noticeable. If you go awhile without exposure to chlorine, you'll notice a flareup after a long hot shower where you breathed much chlorine, or even after walking into a closed bathroom that's had a broken toilet continually running.

5) Your diet overall is poor at protecting and regenerating your tissues. Yet I won't discuss diet, since diet for most persons rivals religion, while just addressing the above four---especially if you cease applying manufactured body products to your skin---will probably be enough to reverse the acne."
 
credits go to the author
 
 
wish he would have talked about diet...

This One's For You.

06 June 2012 - 11:52 PM

I've been absent from this site for awhile and as a side note want to keep it that way. I litterally hate this place, and find this the most depressing section of the forums all together. But, all this dislike is not out of hate per for the site but the memories, desperation, the sadness, deep drepression, hopelessness, and defeat i felt when i came here. Because im a very proud person i hated to admit defeat and join in what i saw as a pity party to make ourselves feel better .. well its not, thats the anger speaking, however i couldnt help but feel it.  Well, my attitude may never change about "all this" but i feel i need to come back once more just say alitle somethin. Though because of all the hurt do not expect to return here..often if at all.

I have digressed as i look back on my time here. My orignal purpose is below; this is for you:

So, my grandios idea was to become free of this burden and pain in the ass that i thought was hindering me from living a normal life. Well yes that is somewhat true because no one wants to look the way i did, no one wants to be judged or looked at differently to the point they have no friends and are as old as iam and not even had a gf. So my strife was to become clear so that i could live and do all these things just to live. That is the wrong mind set. I have only seen this now because i have become clear and have this pain in the arse under control. I still have some scars but i look better than i have in years. But you know what? Nothing seems to have changed...
I feel so proud that i can look people in the eye now, i feel so up lifted that i can have a normal conversation with any stranger and or do my job as a nurse. But you know what? People still treat me the same as they previously knew me... which tells me I obssessed WAY to much. I let it run me down into the ground like it mattered that much on how look to the point i was not worthy to even live. Boy was i wrong.

What im getting at is this: 1) we only accept the love we think we deserve-as acne suffers we think we deserve nothing because we dont feel human, we dont fit in, and we dont feel worthy. We are our own worst critic.. you have to realize that what we obsess about isnt important to others, nor do they care so don't let it control you.2) Whether it comes down to how tall/short/fat/skin/acne or no to the majority of us(those that judge you) IT DOESNT MATTER. We dont judge you nor do we care about what you see as flaws, we judge how you are as a person-character, attitude, personality etc. Its taken me a long time to realize this... and i wish that others could see that what we obssess about daily, matters not to the decent people around you. Society is cruel, but there does exist decent, nice people that care not how you are on the outside. Sadly, i have not seen this until after the fact. I feel terrible now because im for one clear and two i was a mean person because of it and that gave me a bad image to those nice people that were just being nice...


Lastly, i wanted to say this in closing of my long rambling ( i hope it makes sense as im tired..).  I went out to a restraunt today and had supper. The waitress that waited on us was a tad what you would consider "overweight" and had acne. And you know what? I thought she was one of the most prettiest, cute, adorable girls i've seen in a long time. Now you dont know me... but ive never dated (and im almost 22) and even those close to me say i have a high standard in women. My online friends post pics of chicks all the time-the ones that look like models and are only 16 and they do not appeal to me one bit. Hell, I graduated with like 200 people, most of which were what many would consider "hot" (model bodies, perfect everything, money, smart, ect) but out of all them NONE compared to this chick that waited on us. So she had flaws, but i seen right passed that and seen she was a very nice, bubbly, cute, adorable person. For once in mylife i feel like actually asking here out lol.. but im just to damn nervous and i think up many excuses on why i shouldnt (im too old, shes to young, ect). There exist more people like me out there so don't fret on how you look just live and be the person you are and show you're true colors as people like me do notice. This is what matters..

So if you reading this and you have the same mentality as i did i want you to know that your thinking is wrong (i want to save you so to speak).Do no think you have to be clear inorder to live, or inorder to enjoy life, inorder to be noticed in a good way, or even date. Do not get hung up that clear skin is everything as im clear and still working my way there and srsly things arent different..and lastly this is for you, you are beautiful. Dont ever forget it.

My Mega Thread On Health Info

26 February 2012 - 12:20 AM

Okay this is my mega thread to help all those that are interested in the different things i read pretty much every day when im bored. I read tons of stuff regarding our bodies, vitamins and supplements, hormones, chemical reactions, fitness, best times to take this that or the other thing. I pretty much read anything i have questions on. I dont tend to get into anything real scientific but try to understand it and relate it back to acne and or other health issues.

This thread is meant to help people but is not in tended to cure anyone. Feel free to add your own helpful knowledge or links to great sites

So i've been trying to make the perfect vitamin regimen for myself and i've done lots of research that has lead me to finding interesting things.

What I would like to share:

First off all this is a great website on information regarding vitamins, what they work best with, destroyed by, food sources, on and on..

http://www.globalher...in_information/


Okay interesting information regarding Vitamin B6

http://www.lidtke.com/true-b6

"the synthetic form of vitamin B6 (pyridoxine HCl) cannot be used by your body without a chemical conversion known as “phosphorylation.” Researchers believe, however, that phosphorylation can be impaired by infection… even common infections, such as candidiasis. Furthermore, when the synthetic form is not converted to the active form (pyridoxal 5-phosphate), researchers speculate that it may interfere with vitamin B6 receptor sites, possibly worsening a deficiency rather than correcting it."

"B-6 can reduce the sensitivity of skin to the effects of testosterone, which in turn helps the acne cycle. It also aids in maintaining electrolyte balance and promotes red blood cell formation. Further, it is required for the synthesis of RNA and DNA, which contain the instructions for the reproduction and growth of all cells, including the epidermis that is affected by acne."

BUT, be careful as too much B6 can interfere with B5 absorption which we all know reduces oil production


B6 (P5P) is helpful in aiding in Zinc absorption which helps and is preferred over mega dosing on large doses of stand alone Zinc. I myself take L-OptiZinc (contains copper so that i dont become deficient in copper)


ALA or Alpha Lipoic Acid is a great supplement for those with insulin resistance or diabetic because it helps turn glucose into energy. It also is a unique antioxidant that helps recharge other antioxidants like C and E. It is water and fat soluble which makes it different than other antioxidants.



More info at



http://whfoods.org/g...trient&dbid=117



Antioxidants? We all know they fight free radicals, but despite what you have heard you CAN have to many antioxidants that CAN turn Pro oxidant and essential become free radicals. That is why it is necessary to have a balanced diet and or supplement plan to prevent this.



http://whfoods.org/g...george&dbid=143



I suggest everyone should read about the actions of antioxidants as its more complex than you think. Its also good to be aware of the damages of "too much of a good thing". It also makes you smarter consumer because everyone is touting "you need antioxidants" like its the new fade of decade.




Vitamin C


http://members.upnaway.com/~poliowa/How%20Vitamin%20C%20works.html


Great Read on the actions of Vitamin C. There is alot of interesting information, especially the stuff that is in bold.


A brief part that i found most interesting:



"Vitamin C is similar in structure to glucose... Vit C is a water soluble vitamin.It also uses the same receptors as glucose to enter the cell membrane. So if we have eaten a lot of simple sugars, as in sweets, cool drink etc, less Vit C can be absorbed because the receptors are already in use.

When we need Vit C we crave sweet foods

So, find your self with some sugar cravings? Eat foods high in vitamin C instead.

"The extra Vit C shuts down the oxidative energy reaction in cancer cells, inhibiting protein kinase C which increases cell division and proliferation." - I wonder if this would work for clogged pores as excess cell growth can cause cells to shed improperly and stick together causing acne. Either regulate the growth or stop the cells from sticking?


Also in that thread is information regarding minerals like calcium and magnesium. They should NOT be taken together. This is can be the reason why people have little improvement with the use supplements because without the proper information they are not going work.

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Now for my part:

I have taken a lot of vitamins and experimented with tons of stuff and have learned from it.This is useful information for any planning or taking supplements:

Vitamin A: decreased my sebum levels, BUT i overdosed. I recognized the signs (I immediately stopped) which were for me headache of unknown origin. I felt my head feel "full" and sudden movements caused me to experience a strange headache feeling. Excessive Vitamin A can cause increase in ICP or inter-cranial pressure. This is bad. Most vitamin A overdose signs are temporary. Prolonged use causes liver damage.

Vitamin D: Cod liver form of Vitamin D caused breakouts at high doses for me. Which could be a reason why others breakout from it too so either lower the dose or go to the dry form of D (and A if needed). I take a lower amount now (400iu). Vitamin D is suggested with Vitamin A as Vitamin D increases the need for A although they can compete as they both need micelles to pas through the intestinal wall. To much A can interfere with D absorption.

Coq10: Coenzyme 10 is in simpler terms an antioxidant and provides enegry to cells. It also increases the actions of Vitamin C and E(this is a brief description). It has also been shown to aid in prevention of heart disease though this is not totally proven as there is conflicting trials. I take it because it is suggested for people with Mitral Valve problems. My mother has mitral valve prolapse and from what i was told could be genetic. My ultra sound 2 years ago showed some early signs but very nothing is conclusive. So i use it as a preventive measure.

Vitamin B5: Decreases oil production for us acne suffers. YEA! But competes with B6. A low regulary dosage is recommended over mega dosing.

ALCAR: Is an ammo acid that aids in energy production (ATP) and also increases the absorption of B5.

MSM: Sulfur compound that is great for detoxing the liver with added benefits to the skin hair and nails. Allows for better passage through cells. Basically aids in absorption of other nutrients. Down side is that it increases oil production which is why some people break out. Maybe take b5 along with?

Taurine: Some interesting stuff that im currently taking but im not sure what and how it helps acne besides the fact that it is another type of sulfurish compound that aids the body.


Zinc (picolinate or L-optiZinc) Is the bes form of zinc for absorption purposes and optizinc prevents the user from becoming copper defiecient with long time use. Zinc has many healing and anti inflammatory properties as well as acting as an anti androgen.

I read somewhere (cant find it) that too much Zinc can lead to an over production of yeast.. like candida? thats why i suggest probiotics as well just incase.


Okay im tired and going to bed now. Will finish later.

Retinoid+Night Shift=?

03 February 2012 - 05:43 PM

As topic says im temporarly incoroprating night shifts into my schedule until August.
Noc shift is 9pm-6am ( i usually stay until 6:30 to bs with the other nurses Posted Image)

Been using tretinoin .025 at night and then go to bed. Well, can i still do that? At night the only lighting is from fluorescent bulbs amd I understand you should use tretinoin at noc because of the sunlight sensitivity and that it becomes inactive as well in sunlight. But what about artificial lighting? Sure now i go to work and its dark, same going home in am. This will change though but regardless should i use tretinoin before i go to work at 9pm?


I do not use sunscreen (no need to now) But i will have to as i want a tan, but not to burn this summer.. I avoid moisturizors as well because the either 1)smell 2)clog pores 3) cause irritation.  Strange because i dont usual get irritation form everything else i use, at all. I guess i havent found a good one yet.I also find my vitamin c serum very moisturizing so no need to really.  So on the nights i work Noc shift should i stop tretinoin and  just use my alpha hydrox aha gel instead or no? I use the gel in am normally after BHA. I was under the impression you could NOT use AHA after tretinoin or you should use AHA first. Its all confusing as i havent found a clear answer on that.


Anyway.. please help thanks.

What Would You Suggest?

30 January 2012 - 12:47 PM

Thee omega 3's mega thread has like 160 some pages with no real anwser on this.

Currently taking this because out of those 160 pages (as well as a google serach) krill oil is suggested over plain old fish oil and it also contains a potent antioxidant as well.

http://www.amazon.co...s00_i00_details

as you can see the price is for lack of a better word, shit-highway robbery-But it works, for me.  I take 1 not 2 a day. Though i can definitelly tell the affects of 2. But ive found that im SUPER hungry when taking 2. I would say i have super metabolism from what i can eat but doing cardio and other work out excerises only magnify that.


Onward,

So now its either again buy krill oil or go for 1) borage oil 2) flax seed oil 3(evening primrose i find most helpful for females according to what ive read)

Read this:
http://www.essortmen...fits-41778.html

"Flax Seed Oil contains omega-6 and omega-9 essential fatty acids, B vitamins, potassium, lecithin, magnesium, fiber, protein, and zinc and also provides approximately 50% more omega-3 oils than what you could get from taking fish oil"

Sounds good right? Well i already take other vitamins like zinc at night, i eat foods that have lots of b vitamins already but, taking b complex pills breaks me out. Someone said thats because b vitamins increase cell proliferation (increase in cell division/growth)


I dont believe in mega high doses of fish oil and one user c/o getting a liver tumor? I stay away from 2-3grams like other people.

Borage oil? I dont know. I buy my vitamins from swanson health because there close and cheap and work.

any ideas?

This is from the sellers site so its a biased review but the information is what im concerned about.

http://www.neptunekr.../properties.php

"Choline as precursor of acetylcholine

One gram of NKO contains 73 mg choline. The body uses choline to synthesize acetylcholine. Acetylcholine is important for sleeping comfort, good concentration and memory functioning."

-this i can relate to as i can fall asleep better than i have in almost a year.
-I do take ALC w/ b5 so this should help with that.



All i want to know is whether 60 soft gels at 20 bucks is really worth it? To me somewhat yes but i would in a heart beat go from something cheaper with same results. Although like i said flax seed oil looks good, is cheaper, and i do take CoQ10 twice a day so im thinking i dont need all this "super antioxidant power" that krill provides