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Robertitoo

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#3482868 Subcision~ My Journey So Far~

Posted by Robertitoo on 31 May 2015 - 06:59 PM

shouldnt you wait atleast  3-6 months before doing another subcision to let the collagen kick in ?

I had a lot of scars, so the doctor didn't treat them all at once. So the doctor recommended doing subcisions once a month as well as a laser to help with the redness :)



Alright its been a while since a last updated, but I decided to make a gallery. After the second subcison, I broke out from the numbing injections, and I didn't have the nerve to take any pictures. There's still improvement though! :) I probably had about 15% improvement from the subcisions even though the breakouts caused a setback. Right now I'm just alternating tca chemical peels and needling (dermastamp/dermaroller/single needling) about every two weeks.  
Here's the gallery: http://www.acne.org/...rney-left-side/
I'm lazy at the moment, so I just posted before pics from when I started, and pics now. Sorry the lighting's all over the place. The now pics may have a little microswelling since I just did a TCA peel a week ago, and I'm still peeling a little. But since I started treating my scars back near the end of September, (5 months ago) there's probably at least a good stable 30-40% improvement  :D Some days it looks better, some days worse. I still have a ways to go, but I think by the end of the year I will be satisfied with my scarring, fingers crossed. ^.^

My routine right now:
when i needle (i use either a 1.5- 2.0 mm dermastamp or roller and sometimes single needling):
-wash my face with dr bronner's soap
-during needling i mix copper pepetides (super cop 2x) with msm, and an ointment that has aloe, vitamin a, e, and zinc. then roll
-then i wash the blood off my face and reaapply that mix. Let it dry.
-Then i mix MRM msm cream with Cellfood, and Reservage Collagen powder (which contains hyaluronic acid and vitamin c)
-Let it dry then I apply tanamu oil for the first day.


Next day in the morning:
-wash with warm water only
-if i have a breakout from the needling, i just put mix some epsom salt in water and apply to my face; and then I mix MRM msm cream with the Reservage powder and apply.
-and then apply some tallow balm.
-At night, I wash again with water, if there's any breakout, I'll put some epsom salt on, I mix the Reservage powder, Cellfood and MRM MSM cream (and for the first couple days afterwards I'll mix copper peptides in it)
-Then I apply tallow balm to keep my face moisturized until my face is healed.

For the chemical peel:
-I started off with the 15% for the first couple times, then I spot treated with 30% once, and now I'm doing 22.5% tca. 
-I wash my face with Dr. Bronner's soap.
-Apply chemical peel then neutralize with baking soda mixed in water, then rinse off.
-Let face dry. 
-Apply a mix of copper peptides, Reservage powder, MRM msm cream, (and for the first night Derma E tea tree and E Antispetic Creme).
-Then I apply tallow balm to keep skin well moisturized.
-Then I pretty much do the same morning and night routine as I do after needling.


My skin heals much better when I use topicals vs when I don't. And I try to make sure to take it easy with excercise while healing, eat healthy and to try to eat a lot of calories.

And randomly, I may use a red LED light, High Frequency device, and cupping. But not very routinely XD Its so rare I do them, I don't think it's contributed much lol.

I'll probably be wandering off this site again for a while so I can try to focus my mind on other stuff rather than my scars XD I'll try to update on my progress in a few months :)


 

God, I love how savage you are with your treatments and routine. Just like myself. We're heading towards complete resolution, one step at a time. 

Here's hoping your Subcision and Mixto goes well. Are you going to incorporate the suction protocol? Did you ask your doctor if that's a good idea? :o




#3482718 Help Me Find A Suction Device For Subcision.

Posted by Robertitoo on 30 May 2015 - 09:00 AM

Sweet. Are you taking 2 weeks off?


#3482644 Subcision~ My Journey So Far~

Posted by Robertitoo on 29 May 2015 - 02:03 PM

I don't know what I'll do. I can't find anyone in my area who specializes in subcision, who has a lot of experience with it. Do you guys know anything about Infini Microneedle Fractional RF? I'm really interested in this. I think it's very new, I couldn't find anyone in my area who offers it. I found an article online "Evaluation of Microneedling Fractional Radiofrequency Device for Treatment of Acne Scars", the results with pictures were good. I also found an article on "Scar Treatments Evolve with Non-Traditional and Emerging Therapies" in the Autumn 2012 issue of the European Aesthetic Guide where they talk about this new "multi-modality laser" and other lasers that combine wavelengths such as the YouLaser MT. I don't understand why these lasers are available in Europe, Australia, and Canada, but not here  :confused:

I would call several practices and ask. One by one. You may even have to travel out of state. Subcision success ultimately relies on the doctor performing it, really.. Make sure you incorporate suction after you find a doctor you're comfortable with.




#3482415 What Can Possibly Cause A Scar?

Posted by Robertitoo on 27 May 2015 - 05:38 PM

Look. True acne scars (atrophic/pitted) don't just fade. They are more or less permanent if you don't do anything about it. Seeing that you have posted 3 or so topics, It seems like you're too young to understand what a pitted scar is, and how they work... it's hard for you to accept the fact that they just don't magically fill in without intervention.

I strongly suggest you visit a dermatologist to basically elaborate what I am trying to say because even with their being so much information on the internet regarding this topic, you seem not to understand what I am saying. 

We're not experts by no means 

http://acne.about.co...escarcauses.htm


#3482194 Subcision~ My Journey So Far~

Posted by Robertitoo on 26 May 2015 - 06:31 AM

try not go for the laser if you can. Go for PRP instead with the needling. Do some research before doing the laser.


I'm definitely going to try less invasive things like micro-needling and subcision first, before thinking about using lasers or dermabrasion, considering all of the horror stories I've read. Do you know which would be more effective: 1) dermapen + topical PRP or 2) dermal filler PRP injection (with or without subcision)?

Subcision suction and home needling. You really need to give this a try...I can't recommend it enough. 




#3481975 ~My~ Subcision/microneedling Journey W/ 2 Week Protocol + More

Posted by Robertitoo on 23 May 2015 - 10:30 PM

2 month mini update: 70++% Improvement and it seems to keep getting better and better every week! I highly suggest everyone try the subcision suction method as well as throwing in some microneedling for extra benefits for rolling and even boxcar scarring before going any other route.  

As of 2 weeks ago I have started following another protocol, I call it protocol 2 found here which calls for alternating microneedling and 15% tca peels every 2 weeks. 

I can see myself achieving  90%+ results or even complete scar resolution in the future. Really? Well, I figure since some of my uglier scars never resurfaced, and the ones that did are 100x less shallower, that it's totally possible.  :)

4 keys to my success
  • aggressive subcision (undermine every scar on your face)
  • aggressive microneedling (2.0mm+)
  • persistent and consistent suctioning (when following the 2 week protocol)
  • and patience (1-6+ months)



#3481698 What Kind Of Scarring Do I Have ?

Posted by Robertitoo on 20 May 2015 - 09:24 PM

I had scarring like yours and I was able to improve them significantly with subcision and the suction method/protocol, some scars never resurfaced. Not only is it extremely effective, but incredibly cheap compared to other treatments such as laser. I am currently blogging here: http://www.acne.org/...e/#entry3475938


#3481518 Looking For Subcision Expert To Seek Treatment In Southern, Ca.

Posted by Robertitoo on 19 May 2015 - 06:53 AM

Subcision + Suction as well as microneedling shows best results and is cheaper. 60%-90% improvement is viable. It's the best thing I have done for my skin. Check out Dr. Rullan in Chula Vista, CA

It's unfortunate my pictures don't capture precisely everything (bad camera) in terms of improvement. ...easy 70%+ improvement in my scarring. Check out my blog


#3481184 Does Tca Cross Work?

Posted by Robertitoo on 15 May 2015 - 10:14 PM

Now that we or I know what your scars looks like I can give you an idea of what I, personally would do if I were in you

Vbeam Perfecta 3-4 times

get acne under control?

then

I would personally just go at it with Microneedling and chemical peels, 15%-30%tca for at least a year or two, that's it. 

Check this out http://www.acne.org/...148629-dc-girl/

My mini evaluation: http://imgur.com/uyrT9b4

After 1-2 years, if you're still unhappy with the results.. I would reccomend you get the rolling and boxcar undermined (subcision) and follow the suction protocol.

Ok thank you thank you thank you!!
I'm nervous about doing all this myself though. What kind of needling do I do? Do you think getting the micropen done once so I have an idea what I should be doing is a good idea? I just don't know a think about length and where do you buy these things?  
Why not start with subcision? I saw that NomNomWaffles did this first...Do you think I wouldn't work well for mine or are you suggesting the cheapest route? Just curious:)
The link you sent me gives me hope! Dang I wish we didn't have to wait so long to get results...
Again thanks for you help. You certainly have some experience with this stuff!

You could definitely do that and just copy what I'm doing (subcision and all). As for the needling, just purchased a automated pen, such as the Derminator and go at it yourself. It's pretty straight forward. You can youtube this. For my next needling sessions in about a month, I will record part of my face as I needle my skin, just to give people an idea. But again, youtube has tons of videos.

'Real user before & Afters that inspired me - 19lee (scroll for pictures or click here) - FeelsGood (scroll for pictures or click here) - sverd (scroll for pictures or click here) - mr. matt (scroll for pictures) -
 
Clinical Papers/Studies/Surveys - One - Two - Three - Four  '




#3481183 People Get Disgusted When I'm Around.

Posted by Robertitoo on 15 May 2015 - 10:10 PM

Check out the scar forum, and be sure to check out my scar journey here:

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/348834-my-subcisionmicroneedling-journey-w-2-week-protocol-more/ 

(also check out the before & afters as well as the studies/clinicalpapers :)

If you don't mind, I suggest you upload a picture of your scarring. Doesn't have to be your whole face, just part of it, it would give us insight on what you're dealing with and then users like myself can suggest things for ya. 

"Real user before & Afters that inspired me - 19lee (scroll for pictures or click here) - FeelsGood (scroll for pictures or click here) - sverd (scroll for pictures or click here) - mr. matt (scroll for pictures) -
 
Clinical Papers/Studies/Surveys - One - Two - Three - Four  "


#3481158 Does Tca Cross Work?

Posted by Robertitoo on 15 May 2015 - 05:11 PM

Now that we or I know what your scars looks like I can give you an idea of what I, personally would do if I were in you

Vbeam Perfecta 3-4 times

get acne under control?

then

I would personally just go at it with Microneedling and chemical peels, 15%-30%tca for at least a year or two, that's it. 

Check this out http://www.acne.org/...148629-dc-girl/

My mini evaluation: http://imgur.com/uyrT9b4

After 1-2 years, if you're still unhappy with the results.. I would reccomend you get the rolling and boxcar undermined (subcision) and follow the suction protocol.


#3481066 ~My~ Subcision/microneedling Journey W/ 2 Week Protocol + More

Posted by Robertitoo on 14 May 2015 - 03:59 PM

Hard to say, but my shallow boxcars did show improvement after around 6 microneedling sessions. Microneedling is something I will definitely keep doing for the rest of my life though I will say that. It's much efficient and easier with a automated stamp though. 

:)

How much pressure did you use suctioning? just as much as you could tolerate pain wise? or is there a thing as too much suction?


2-3 pumps. Works best on damp skin! Didn't hurt, I though I would because the subcision made my face feel very sore.




#3480942 Feeling Old, Can Anyone Recommend Something?

Posted by Robertitoo on 13 May 2015 - 05:28 PM

Targeted Subcision Suction and microneedling. You could do the microneedling at home, and subcision runs cheap, the shallow scarring might even be completely wiped out if you find a skilled doctor.

Also, I would have to disagree with Dudley, i'm aware and glad he has seen improvement with Repair, but never the less, the bad reviews outweigh the good ones by a ton.. everywhere you look. I personally wouldn't risk it, and no doctor would perform aggressive laser because of your skin tone, which is in good shape.. Another thing, ablative lasers aren't cheap. Your location of scarring or area for example, would run upwards of $1500. As always ablative lasers should always be the last resort. (You wont need it, trust me) Check out my blog.


#3480941 ~My~ Subcision/microneedling Journey W/ 2 Week Protocol + More

Posted by Robertitoo on 13 May 2015 - 04:51 PM

Here are the pictures I promised: Subcision Suction Microneedling: Update - May 11th <-- Pre Microneedling with Derminator @ 1.5-2.0.... --> Microneedling with Derminator May 11th  


Important things to note/comments:
  • I would say my scarring has improved a good 70%+
  • My temples showed the most improvement 
  • Some scars never resurfaced, those that did look 10x better ^
  • I can now look at my face in the harsh lighting inside my bathroom
  • 3 or so nodules remain
  • Still battling with jawline acne which doesn't leave indented scarring but is very very annoying..any ideas?



#3480801 ~My~ Subcision/microneedling Journey W/ 2 Week Protocol + More

Posted by Robertitoo on 12 May 2015 - 12:18 PM

Here are the 3 videos I promised. 

1. 

2. 

3. 

(The reason I marked current acne lesions was because I didn't want to needle them, doing so would result in further scarring)

Picture album will be uploaded later today along with one or 2 more videos..no remiss I promise