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#3488652 ~My~ Subcision/microneedling Journey W/ 2 Week Protocol + More

Posted by Robertitoo on 20 July 2015 - 11:00 PM

Update - Having my 2nd subcision performed this upcoming August. I still don't know the exact date but since I start school 3rd week of August, it should be within the first week or two. I will ask for aggressive subcision again and have him treat the same areas he treated last time as well as doing my own needling at home right after, this time with a shorter needle length, 1 mm vs 2.25 mm However I am slightly modifying my course, Instead of suctioning for 2 weeks, I will be suctioning for only one week. I will then have Vbeam Perfecta done the day after the last day of suctioning and then my 2nd Vbeam 3-4 weeks later.

3rd Subcision for December ~

I'll keep you guys posted. I know you guys have been asking for picture updates but I will have to delay those until the day before subcision. The reason is because I had a terrible breakout (nasty nodular acne - ughh, the ones that tend to scar) on both due to me possibly being allergric to some ingredients in my Cerave PM Moisturizer. 

Scar update - Left side shows the best improvement including temples - 65%+. Right side - 40-60%. Right temples need more work.

Subcision nodules - 1/3 remain, but almost gone.

Acne update - Jawline clear, temples clear, forehead clear - cheeks 2-5 subsiding nodular pimples, maybe 2-3 new scars but I'm sure subcision will lift these up nicely.


#3487810 Would I Need A Subcision?

Posted by Robertitoo on 14 July 2015 - 12:01 PM

If you have 2 weeks, do suction if you don't go for fillers. CO2 wont do smack for your scarring sorry to say.

I'm in the waiting room now. Price of the filler is 370 and I don't care to spend that amount if I have any advantage. Should I do suction or filler?

Btw, the doctor said this afternoon that I'm not a good candidate to subcision and I should have co2 first.

run away. you need subcision 

edit: unless it's free

#3487126 How Often Can I Use 12% Tca Face Peel, Plz Help!

Posted by Robertitoo on 07 July 2015 - 09:04 PM

once every 2 weeks for 12%

#3486997 ~My~ Subcision/microneedling Journey W/ 2 Week Protocol + More

Posted by Robertitoo on 06 July 2015 - 07:18 PM

Seems like you keep doing a lot of maintenance through dermastamp and peels. I'm worried that the protocol requires a lot of downtime- it's not as easy as 1 subcision with a week of bruises followed by dermastamping with suctioning. Can one do a chemical peel/dermastamping on let's say Friday afternoon and look normal by Monday morning?
Thank you for the input :)

Sorry for late responses guys!

I took 2 weeks and 3 days off to look 90% normal,  But I'd say it was well worth it...

Subcision Day 1 - 4pm then needling @ 6-7 I forgot. Started suctioning day 2 after day 1

Microneedling = 1 to 2 days MAX. For example, if I were to have Sunday off I would needle aggressively in the afternoon on Saturday and by Monday I would look 95& normal!

Chemical peels = 1-12 hours downtime depending on peel. Sun screen and moisturizer is a must!

Can you post another picture update Robertitoo? In the May 11 update there are lots rolling scars but you're saying you had 70% improvement?

I'll post another update in 2 weeks prior to next needling session. Yeah, I still have scars in a few places but they look so much better now. Yeah I'd say 70%+ I'll be going in for another round of subcision + suction around christmas time! Hopefully it will be my last. I can't wait :) For now it's Needling, TCA peels and soon 3 more rounds of Vbeam spaced 4-7 weeks apart for lingering red marks. 

Hi Robertitoo,

Just wanted to also congratulate you on your results and to thank you for sharing your journey.  I've scheduled my first subcision session with Dr. Rullan over a 3 day weekend in September to allow some time for healing.  Figure I'd schedule the second and third over thanksgiving and Christmas.  You've given us a lot of hope of what is possible.

Thanks again for sharing and continued good luck.

Sounds great man! Out of those 3 try to do at least one suctioning protocol, it will call for a 2-3 week downtime but it's well worth it. What kind of scarring do you have? Pictures to share?

#3486995 Depressed About Acne Scars

Posted by Robertitoo on 06 July 2015 - 06:50 PM

I would look into Subcision Suction and Microneedling for both the temples and the cheeks.

I don't suggest doing laser because things can get very complicated and expensive very quickly. Subcision and needling, I think will be enough to do the trick... 

Read my blog - be sure to check out my before and afters as well as other user's before & afters and studies towards the end of my post


#3486029 Is This Hyperpigmentation? (Pics)

Posted by Robertitoo on 27 June 2015 - 07:21 PM

That's post-acne erythema. You really need to see a doctor to correctly evaluate your condition (seems severe) and give you a treatment plan. You risk permanent scarring that can seriously affect your self esteem which in turn can and will affect your high school career. You really don't want acne getting in your way, especially in highschool and college years - those are extremely valuable and precious they can mold you into a person you don't or do want to be!! Listen to me and go to a reputable dermatologist, you still have time.

#3486024 Recommendation For My Scarring?

Posted by Robertitoo on 27 June 2015 - 05:38 PM

You have a mix of rolling scars and boxcars.  Subcision suction and or subcision with filler would be a good a good start

#3484641 pitted scars suddenly appearing-not acne

Posted by Robertitoo on 16 June 2015 - 08:57 AM

You guys are in no way out of luck. You guys can look into subcision and or fillers and possibly even microneedling which can be done at home for a low cost.

Did you guys ever get acne or chicken pox?

#3484173 How Can I Heal My Red Marks

Posted by Robertitoo on 11 June 2015 - 05:19 PM

3 Rounds of Vbeam Perfecta or time

#3483638 ~My~ Subcision/microneedling Journey W/ 2 Week Protocol + More

Posted by Robertitoo on 07 June 2015 - 06:05 AM

Hi Robertitoo.

I'm wondering why you opted for subcision with suctioning instead of subcision with fillers. I want to do subcision but I don't live in the US and all they offer here is subcision with fillers. What do you think?

Thanks in advance :)

Because I can't necessarily afford fillers and subcision suction gives permanent results :/ 
Not to say that subcision filler doesn't give permanent results.
If you can afford it and can't opt for suctionining for 2 weeks then go for it :)

Hey Robertitoo did you ice your face during the sunctioning protocol to reduce the bruising?

I did not. The more swelling the better the results I believe

Here are some pics. The cheek scars appear more red than usual because I had just been exercising.

BTW, sorry to hijack your thread.

You probably should start off with a few sessions of TCA Cross (3-5) then go subcision suction and microneedling. Chemical peels here and there

No worries

#3482868 Subcision~ My Journey So Far~

Posted by Robertitoo on 31 May 2015 - 06:59 PM

shouldnt you wait atleast  3-6 months before doing another subcision to let the collagen kick in ?

I had a lot of scars, so the doctor didn't treat them all at once. So the doctor recommended doing subcisions once a month as well as a laser to help with the redness :)

Alright its been a while since a last updated, but I decided to make a gallery. After the second subcison, I broke out from the numbing injections, and I didn't have the nerve to take any pictures. There's still improvement though! :) I probably had about 15% improvement from the subcisions even though the breakouts caused a setback. Right now I'm just alternating tca chemical peels and needling (dermastamp/dermaroller/single needling) about every two weeks.  
Here's the gallery: http://www.acne.org/...rney-left-side/
I'm lazy at the moment, so I just posted before pics from when I started, and pics now. Sorry the lighting's all over the place. The now pics may have a little microswelling since I just did a TCA peel a week ago, and I'm still peeling a little. But since I started treating my scars back near the end of September, (5 months ago) there's probably at least a good stable 30-40% improvement  :D Some days it looks better, some days worse. I still have a ways to go, but I think by the end of the year I will be satisfied with my scarring, fingers crossed. ^.^

My routine right now:
when i needle (i use either a 1.5- 2.0 mm dermastamp or roller and sometimes single needling):
-wash my face with dr bronner's soap
-during needling i mix copper pepetides (super cop 2x) with msm, and an ointment that has aloe, vitamin a, e, and zinc. then roll
-then i wash the blood off my face and reaapply that mix. Let it dry.
-Then i mix MRM msm cream with Cellfood, and Reservage Collagen powder (which contains hyaluronic acid and vitamin c)
-Let it dry then I apply tanamu oil for the first day.

Next day in the morning:
-wash with warm water only
-if i have a breakout from the needling, i just put mix some epsom salt in water and apply to my face; and then I mix MRM msm cream with the Reservage powder and apply.
-and then apply some tallow balm.
-At night, I wash again with water, if there's any breakout, I'll put some epsom salt on, I mix the Reservage powder, Cellfood and MRM MSM cream (and for the first couple days afterwards I'll mix copper peptides in it)
-Then I apply tallow balm to keep my face moisturized until my face is healed.

For the chemical peel:
-I started off with the 15% for the first couple times, then I spot treated with 30% once, and now I'm doing 22.5% tca. 
-I wash my face with Dr. Bronner's soap.
-Apply chemical peel then neutralize with baking soda mixed in water, then rinse off.
-Let face dry. 
-Apply a mix of copper peptides, Reservage powder, MRM msm cream, (and for the first night Derma E tea tree and E Antispetic Creme).
-Then I apply tallow balm to keep skin well moisturized.
-Then I pretty much do the same morning and night routine as I do after needling.

My skin heals much better when I use topicals vs when I don't. And I try to make sure to take it easy with excercise while healing, eat healthy and to try to eat a lot of calories.

And randomly, I may use a red LED light, High Frequency device, and cupping. But not very routinely XD Its so rare I do them, I don't think it's contributed much lol.

I'll probably be wandering off this site again for a while so I can try to focus my mind on other stuff rather than my scars XD I'll try to update on my progress in a few months :)


God, I love how savage you are with your treatments and routine. Just like myself. We're heading towards complete resolution, one step at a time. 

Here's hoping your Subcision and Mixto goes well. Are you going to incorporate the suction protocol? Did you ask your doctor if that's a good idea? :o

#3482718 Help Me Find A Suction Device For Subcision.

Posted by Robertitoo on 30 May 2015 - 09:00 AM

Sweet. Are you taking 2 weeks off?

#3482644 Subcision~ My Journey So Far~

Posted by Robertitoo on 29 May 2015 - 02:03 PM

I don't know what I'll do. I can't find anyone in my area who specializes in subcision, who has a lot of experience with it. Do you guys know anything about Infini Microneedle Fractional RF? I'm really interested in this. I think it's very new, I couldn't find anyone in my area who offers it. I found an article online "Evaluation of Microneedling Fractional Radiofrequency Device for Treatment of Acne Scars", the results with pictures were good. I also found an article on "Scar Treatments Evolve with Non-Traditional and Emerging Therapies" in the Autumn 2012 issue of the European Aesthetic Guide where they talk about this new "multi-modality laser" and other lasers that combine wavelengths such as the YouLaser MT. I don't understand why these lasers are available in Europe, Australia, and Canada, but not here  :confused:

I would call several practices and ask. One by one. You may even have to travel out of state. Subcision success ultimately relies on the doctor performing it, really.. Make sure you incorporate suction after you find a doctor you're comfortable with.

#3482415 What Can Possibly Cause A Scar?

Posted by Robertitoo on 27 May 2015 - 05:38 PM

Look. True acne scars (atrophic/pitted) don't just fade. They are more or less permanent if you don't do anything about it. Seeing that you have posted 3 or so topics, It seems like you're too young to understand what a pitted scar is, and how they work... it's hard for you to accept the fact that they just don't magically fill in without intervention.

I strongly suggest you visit a dermatologist to basically elaborate what I am trying to say because even with their being so much information on the internet regarding this topic, you seem not to understand what I am saying. 

We're not experts by no means 


#3482194 Subcision~ My Journey So Far~

Posted by Robertitoo on 26 May 2015 - 06:31 AM

try not go for the laser if you can. Go for PRP instead with the needling. Do some research before doing the laser.

I'm definitely going to try less invasive things like micro-needling and subcision first, before thinking about using lasers or dermabrasion, considering all of the horror stories I've read. Do you know which would be more effective: 1) dermapen + topical PRP or 2) dermal filler PRP injection (with or without subcision)?

Subcision suction and home needling. You really need to give this a try...I can't recommend it enough.