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#3472719 Come With Me On My Subcision Expedition

Posted by Robertitoo on 24 February 2015 - 04:10 PM



 




are you seeing good results? be careful with that suction device ...don't use to much suction

It's so hard to tell whether I'm getting results or not just yet - the swelling is still quite bad. I felt like I was seeing a rolling appearance again, but I believe it may be the hard lumps under my skin more so, rather than indents.
If I remember correctly Rob, were you trying subcision on yourself? Did you suction? What was your method, and what would be the worry about suctioning too hard? 
It's Important to note that full complete results wont be noticeable for at least 6 months. But there are cases where good final results were shown after 3 months. There's always a possibility that, just like any other treatment, will require another round of subcision or 2..
But I personally wouldn't worry until 3-6 months go by
Curious to know what Dr you went to? And what are the benefits of taking baby aspirin prior to subcision?
Oh yes :) I'm definitely aware that I will need to be patient for full results. I suppose I'm just letting people know what I'm seeing so that they can know what to expect. I'm not too worried at this point in time. 
 
I went to Dr Choi in Vancouver. I read something about him on this website before and someone seemed quite excited about it all - since he was the closest to me, I went for it. He actually told me to take regular aspirin rather than baby aspirin, and he said it would help to see good results. My guess is that it stops the blood from clotting and therefore would increase the amount of swelling at the site. I don't think he nor I could have anticipated the amount of swelling I have experienced, but I'm rather glad that I decided to forego that option. 
 
If that's the case I would consider doing yoga and some how find a way to hang upside down, lol. Not entirely sure the body works that way .. I'll look into it.


#3471939 Anyone Unhappy With Their Subsicion?

Posted by Robertitoo on 17 February 2015 - 06:39 AM

Thats funny Robertitoo, I was one of those suckers that fell for the fraxel restore scheme. And obviously the results weren't worth the pay. But I'm about to have subcision done in 4 days, so I'll make a post if the results were worth it or not

Make sure you do suction if you can!! 




#3471713 Anyone Unhappy With Their Subsicion?

Posted by Robertitoo on 15 February 2015 - 02:31 PM

752

Awesome

 

Subcision addresses the scars from the inside or dermis by cutting the scars bands. As a result blood is then pooled under the affected area eventually causing depressed scar to level off with the surrounding area. As where Microneedling tackles scars from the outside or epidermis and slightly into the dermis, causing micro wounds that results in collagen formation (CIT)  depending on needle length. (the idea is that small wounds heal quickly) A combo of both can yield good results. I would throw in a suctioning device for more substantial improvement to prevent the scars re-attaching themselves after a subcision and or microneedle procedure.

 

I'm getting it done in March

 

 

Awesome Roberitoo! Do you mind me asking by who? I might have it done by Dr. Rapaport in NJ. Someone else told me they were not happy with having it done.

 

Dr. Rullan in San Diego, Ca

 

And well, this is an analogy will help you understand treatments some more: some people get amazing results with ablative lasers, some don't and some get permanent. damage. Some chemo treatments cure cancer on some patients while on others chemo is rendered useless, and eventually die. Tylenol works on you but not on your wife... The list goes on and on and on...

 

One bad review wont stray me away from subcision considering subcision has countless research papers backing it up!! 

 

You have to try it out yourself.

I will tell you one thing tho. A Dermatalogy practice is essentially a business seeking to make $$$. You have to make a decision based on your knowledge and what you believe it best for you. 

 

Not from a doctor that will sell you snake oil Fraxel: Restore like most. (Not saying Dr. Rapaport does this)




#3471708 Anyone Unhappy With Their Subsicion?

Posted by Robertitoo on 15 February 2015 - 01:53 PM

Subcision addresses the scars from the inside or dermis by cutting the scars bands. As a result blood is then pooled under the affected area eventually causing depressed scar to level off with the surrounding area. As where Microneedling tackles scars from the outside or epidermis and slightly into the dermis, depending on needle lenght causing micro wounds that results in collagen formation (CIT) (the idea is that small wounds heal quickly) A combo of both can yield good results. I would throw in a suctioning device for more substantial improvement to prevent the scars re-attaching themselves after a subcision and or microneedle procedure.

 

I'm getting it done in March




#3471288 Just Did Subcision :)

Posted by Robertitoo on 11 February 2015 - 03:46 PM

I would def. do suction next time around and leave your skin alone for 6 months after subxision with some needling and chemical peels here and there. That's what I am doing. I am taking 2 weeks off this march to follow a study/protocol precisely. I will ask the nurses if they can take a HD pic of my scars and send it to me. That way I can start a blog similar to yours.


Def improvement nevertheless

Also, did your doctor mark the scars with a pen ? And did your face swell up after the numbing?

I don't think she marked it with a pen, however, I think she followed the photo, what she took. She had some kind of a professional device, which makes your scars look crazy bad (I didn't want to see my pic to be honest, I think I would get depressed).

She numbed each and every scar separately and after a little injection, she subciside it straight away, so I don't think it had any time to swell. I expected I will get 2-3 injections for my whole face, but I think I got like 30 of them.

This waiting is crazy!!! I would love to see improvements immediately biggrin.png BTW I forgot to mention, that I started to do some dermarolling in may 2014 (0,5 mm dermaroller and 1 mm dermastamp). One session every 6 weeks. I think, I've seen some results, however, not really breathtaking.

I have these days, where I am so happy and I see good results and some days, when I see my scars from a different angle with a special lighting and I get sooo depressed. I am sure guys, that you know, what I am talking about... Such a life change from only 5 months of acne...

No treatment will get you immediate permanent results, unfortunately. There's fillers but I'd rather have slow permanent results rather then having to do fillers every few months..one could argue about permanent fillers but meh. Subcision has many more studies vs. fillers anyways.

I'm curious to know what device she used that made the scars more prominent, if there is such thing. Yea, Scars are tricky little bastards and they play unfortunate mind games with one that could make or ruin your day. The day of my treatment I plan on marking my scars with a Gentian violet pen (surgical pen) before the numbing (if there's any) that way he doesn't miss any, can't afford that lol. Unless he has another way of doing it.. It's important to be ambitious yet realistic with your goals. 70% is big but so is 50%, 30% and 20%. 100% would mean everything for me and I know I can get close. Patience definitely plays a big roll and so does attitude. You said you didn't want to see your pictures.. I would have personally looked at how my scars look at had him sent them to me to archive for future reference and for personal motivation...

 

Acne sucks and scars suck even more. But, do know that there's light at the end of the tunnel rolleyes.gif




#3471157 Just Did Subcision :)

Posted by Robertitoo on 10 February 2015 - 01:09 PM

I would def. do suction next time around and leave your skin alone for 6 months after subxision with some needling and chemical peels here and there. That's what I am doing. I am taking 2 weeks off this march to follow a study/protocol precisely. I will ask the nurses if they can take a HD pic of my scars and send it to me. That way I can start a blog similar to yours.


Def improvement nevertheless

Also, did your doctor mark the scars with a pen ? And did your face swell up after the numbing?


#3470242 Subcision + Suction First Vs Subcision + $1500-2000 Ablative Fx

Posted by Robertitoo on 02 February 2015 - 07:07 PM

Then I don't know what the hell I'm doing lol

Lets just keep it simple for you. Since it will be your first treatment, take it slow (lol)

 

For you I suggest the following

Day one - Aggressive Subcision 

Day two - Microneedling with Pen (preferred) w/ EMLA (so you can go aggressive) 1.5mm-1.75mm

Day four - 2 week suctioning (Follow protocol as much as possible)

 

& of course a good skin care system that doesn't break you out - hydraulic aid, moisturizer, gentle face wash and such & a healthy life style!

 

Give it 6 months! If you do exactly what the protocol calls for you should get very good results!

 

If you decide you need another treatment, hopefully not - and if so, you're scars would already have improved by a lot anyways, as a touch up (I would consider it a touch up) I suggest you **

 

** Do days 1-4 all over again but this time alternate Microneedling with peels every 2 weeks for 6 treatments each or 6 months  ! This will be a 1 year process! 

 

I've had scars for over 3 years, prior to last year I believe my indented scars would go away on their own. You 1? Maybe 2? You can do it 

 

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#3469818 Finally Pulled The Trigger (Silicone Injections Dr. Jay Barnett. Nyc)

Posted by Robertitoo on 29 January 2015 - 05:25 PM

Hi everyone,
 
A lot of you guys might recognize me from my pervious youtube channel. I am back with good news just under 3 weeks ago I had my second treatment of silicone microdroplet injections. I am the one who documented my 25% TCA peels on my face, I taught people how to use the microneedling pen, and a whole lot more. I am deciding not to upload the old videos because my opinions have changed and I no longer agree with a lot of them.

 

Everything I have tried does not even come close to silicone injections. I had them done in NYC with Dr. Jay Barnett. who is a boss at this he has been doing silicone for acne scaring for decades. The only issue I had is that I had to be a little demanding on having most of my scars done apart from that I would say that I got a lot of improvement around 30-40% after each treatment. Also each treatment cost me $900.

 

the second treatment's results were much more dramatic and I believe I received around 75% improvement overall. After doing a lot of research it seems that this doctor does things a little differently it seems he injects more than most doctors during each treatment while at the same time it will take more than 1 treatment for the final result.

 

I finally feel like my old 14 year old self (I know sounds creepy). What I mean is that I finally have that similar confidence.

 

Ask me anything guys. If you want to see complete overview of silicone injections the video is here

 

the photos attached is me about 15 minutes post treatment

Welcome back Wasimo!!

 

Acne scars are very tough to beat and I believe in order to achieve desired results one has to tackle the acne scars using several scar revision modalities not just one (Laser, peels, microneedling, undermining..etc)

 

I've read the Barnett's bio before and they have a philosophy in which they prefer using minimally invasive treatments to achieve one's skin goals, which is nice to know. 

 

As for you, I am very happy you found something that works. I am very skeptical about fillers and probably wont ever consider them. But again I am happy for you!

 

As for me I am still currently trying to tackle my scars left and right. I will also be pulling the trigger this march and get Subcision done for scars as I have a (2) protocol I will be following. Check it out on my thread found here, I have cool stuff within some of my post I highly recommend you read it word per word. I was initially going back and forth trying to decide which treatment to go for this March. As of now I settled for Subcision and I shall following 2 protocols strictly. 

 

Clinical papers/studies: protocol 1, protocol 2

 

Anyways,

 

I am curious to know  in how your opinions have changed in the passed year. Also, having the silicone done I think that wraps up microneedling for good? 




#3469743 Dermastamping At Home

Posted by Robertitoo on 28 January 2015 - 04:59 PM

Have u used it personally? did it work for u?

I've done microneedling as well as tca peels sessions myself and I wont lie I did see textural changes and overall improvement. Granted I didn't completely remove my scars but I sure as hell improved the way they look. This is after at least 8+ session. I've also only done it for a year and full blown results are seen after 2+ years of microneedling. I now have a automated microneedling device that owndoc sells called the Derminator that targets scars more precisely and correctly. It's also more tolerable considering the speed at which the needles are inserted into the skin is sped up. (imagine pulling a hair quickly rather then slowly) I plan on using it after a session of subcision in march. 

 

That said, most results are seen after combination of numerous treatments! I've done 10+ tca peels, 10+ microneedling sessions and 3 vbeam perfectas. I'm a bit more comfortable with my skin but I have lots more room for improvement. 




#3469575 Subcision + Suction First Vs Subcision + $1500-2000 Ablative Fx

Posted by Robertitoo on 27 January 2015 - 07:58 AM

Haha, you got me excited as well, but I kept wondering how and when you can fit this plan in your schedule without looking like a zombie.  Even if you must be a little black/blue/red in public you should bear it with pride as you know it's a means to an end...
I can't wait to see your results, how you tolerate the treatment and hear any tips you have to give. Honestly, very few people on here post sensible information.
By the way, I was planning on buying the same device for my treatment and I wanted to combine the two studies as well, but didn't have a clear plan... I am sure your results will be fantastic :) can't wait!

I will be taking 10 days off of work and I don't start school until Fall. So this will work out perfectly! Granted i will probably be still bruised and red from but not as much afafter the 10 days.  You're a chick so you have more leverage, haha.


#3468761 Need Help! Single Needles / Needling For Nose Scar W/ Pics

Posted by Robertitoo on 20 January 2015 - 05:05 PM

Bro. I replied to your message. I personally would not mess with needles for nose scarring. I'd keep doing 30-40% every 2-4 weeks if I were you. You wont see progress for 2++++++ months possibly a year.



http://www.realself....k-scar-nose-tip




#3468726 Dangerously Depressed. Excisions, Anyone?

Posted by Robertitoo on 20 January 2015 - 11:56 AM

<p>What kind of scars are you dealing with first of all?&nbsp;</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>And don't let anyone suggest to you that there is no hope because that's false. There's always room for improvement. Most of those people that suggest otherwise have given up too early.</p>
<p>&nbsp;</p>
<p>The younger the better. I'm 19 considering laser and subcision.</p>

<p>Just because someone failed doesn't mean you have to</p>


#3468580 Subcision + Suction First Vs Subcision + $1500-2000 Ablative Fx

Posted by Robertitoo on 19 January 2015 - 11:35 AM

You don't have severe scarring. Acnr scars are categorized under different systems, but their extreme cases are 10x worse.
You can wait for the swelling to subside and then do fillers. Why don't you do that or is your doctor far away?

 

He's only 25 minutes away. I'd be willing to do filler only if it is prooven to enhance the results




#3468022 Is This Normal After Cortisone Injections? Some Help Please

Posted by Robertitoo on 14 January 2015 - 12:29 PM

Sweet progress :)




#3468021 Scars Are Ruining Me

Posted by Robertitoo on 14 January 2015 - 12:28 PM

Go for Vbeam Perfecta. It's AMAZING for red scars, erythema. I get 15-20% improvement per treatment. it even treats acne quite well.

 

Also, if you scars are show slight atrophy -

 

Here's a study that shows Vbeam treating new/fresh atrophic scars caused by ongoing acne - successfully. http://www.medicalla..._Acne_Scars.pdf

 

I'm sure she has red marks & hyper pigmentation rather then actual scars.