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Robertitoo

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#3475890 Subcision + Suction First Vs Subcision + $1500-2000 Ablative Fx

Posted by Robertitoo on 25 March 2015 - 01:09 PM

It's at 4pm pacific. Gathering all my things before I head on out :_)

 

I called them just now and asked them if it was possible for them to take a picture of my scarring prior and send it to me. They said "sure, as long as you come in 30 minutes prior we can do that". Good thing I did b/c the pictures I took last night didn't quite capture the scarring like I expected it to.

 

Everything else is ready and I might even have my my mom take video of of the procedure if they allow it as well as the the microneedling procedure I will be doing once I get home! 

 

I will be creating a new thread once I have everything at my disposal!!

 

The key is to have every single scar undermined aggressively and I will be very assertive about it. I'm taking a surgical pen just in case. 

 

Sneak preview: 

 

Supplements + Whole Food Plant Based diet, what can go wrong?vYasJVJ.jpg

 

Can't wait to use this baby @ 2.25MM!! @Derminator

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#3475408 When Does A Scar Become Permanent? Now With Photos.

Posted by Robertitoo on 20 March 2015 - 07:37 PM

Backed by dozens of studies and relatively low cost, it's of one those treatments that really earns 'Never hurts to try' I'm getting full face subcision this wednesday

 

 

Why did you decide against it?

 

Wow, I hope it makes a difference for you.

 

I decided against it just because I was happy with the results of the lasers. I mean I didn't really need any more improvement nor did I think subsicion would change anything in my case that was worth the money and time. I had reached a point where I was able to let it go mentally so... I just decided to move on.

That's great man! Glad you're still with us anyways :)




#3475399 When Does A Scar Become Permanent? Now With Photos.

Posted by Robertitoo on 20 March 2015 - 06:19 PM

Ever thought of single needling around a relatively new scar? 

 

No but I've thought of subcision and subsequently decided against it.

Backed by dozens of studies and relatively low cost, it's of one those treatments that really earns 'Never hurts to try' I'm getting full face subcision this wednesday

 

Why did you decide against it?




#3474752 Come With Me On My Subcision Expedition

Posted by Robertitoo on 15 March 2015 - 10:15 PM

Jesus christ. This is amazing..I knew it worked...I am most utterly impressed on your scar's improvement from this procedure. I knew it works. 3 weeks is definitely enough time to see permanent results from Subcision. The best part is that your skin will still keep on healing for another 3-6 months! I wouldn't worry too much about the raided bump just yet..at least for another month or so. I agree, keep massaging IT gently note the emphasis on IT, you don't want to have your scars re-attach and cause depression BAM PUN INTENDED! Very excited and happy for you! :__)


#3474429 Will This Leave Scars?

Posted by Robertitoo on 11 March 2015 - 05:17 PM

Too soon to tell. Just make sure you do everything possible to prevent future breakouts




#3473895 Problems (+Pics)

Posted by Robertitoo on 06 March 2015 - 10:57 PM

If you're seeing results why stop now? Do yourself a favor and get a suction device like this once for example: here & follow this protocol (show your doctor): 

 

Note: These are results from just one subcision procedure - true efficacy when combined with suction 

 

1. http://www.ncbi.nlm....pubmed/20553364

 

2. http://www.owndoc.co...-acne-scars.pdf

 

Check out these results from user (one of several): http://www.acne.org/...ast-of-the-usa/ (scroll down to imgur links)

 

And scan through my thread where I have, along the way, attached articles/videos regarding subcision/microneedling/suction etc: http://www.acne.org/...00-ablative-fx/

 

I'm having Subcision done on the 25th and will be following 2 protocols, I already have it planned out and I mention it in my ^ thread

 

How much are you paying per sessions? $700 or $1400?

 

My subcision will cost me $300. I also purchased a Microneedling pen from Owndoc.com @$199 and will be doing the needling myself. myself.




#3473602 Subcision~ My Journey So Far~

Posted by Robertitoo on 04 March 2015 - 06:46 AM

Keep it up. Even the smallest of improvements are worth it




#3473318 Come With Me On My Subcision Expedition

Posted by Robertitoo on 01 March 2015 - 08:41 PM

Not entirely off-topic, Rob_X_22 We're all after the same results, after all!

 

As for the lumps - the needling/dermastamping, I have heard a lot of great things about this. I think I'll definitely be trying it out. As for ice/heat, I decided to research how to break down excess scar tissue (since that is all that these lumps really are, from what I've read). There are some interesting techniques in here for massaging scar tissue:

http://www.strive4im...car_tissue.html

It also seems to explain why I've been having the numb-kind of feeling in the areas with the nodules.

Don't worry about it, yet...don't massage or do anything out of the ordinary. The last thing you want is your scars to fully re-tether; 10 days is nothing. Give it 2-3 months then if problem still persist, then you can worry about it!




#3473058 Come With Me On My Subcision Expedition

Posted by Robertitoo on 27 February 2015 - 12:22 PM

Seems complicated. Traditional Nokor has proven to give results...

 

http://dermlaser.com...lease_photo.htm




#3472719 Come With Me On My Subcision Expedition

Posted by Robertitoo on 24 February 2015 - 04:10 PM



 




are you seeing good results? be careful with that suction device ...don't use to much suction

It's so hard to tell whether I'm getting results or not just yet - the swelling is still quite bad. I felt like I was seeing a rolling appearance again, but I believe it may be the hard lumps under my skin more so, rather than indents.
If I remember correctly Rob, were you trying subcision on yourself? Did you suction? What was your method, and what would be the worry about suctioning too hard? 
It's Important to note that full complete results wont be noticeable for at least 6 months. But there are cases where good final results were shown after 3 months. There's always a possibility that, just like any other treatment, will require another round of subcision or 2..
But I personally wouldn't worry until 3-6 months go by
Curious to know what Dr you went to? And what are the benefits of taking baby aspirin prior to subcision?
Oh yes :) I'm definitely aware that I will need to be patient for full results. I suppose I'm just letting people know what I'm seeing so that they can know what to expect. I'm not too worried at this point in time. 
 
I went to Dr Choi in Vancouver. I read something about him on this website before and someone seemed quite excited about it all - since he was the closest to me, I went for it. He actually told me to take regular aspirin rather than baby aspirin, and he said it would help to see good results. My guess is that it stops the blood from clotting and therefore would increase the amount of swelling at the site. I don't think he nor I could have anticipated the amount of swelling I have experienced, but I'm rather glad that I decided to forego that option. 
 
If that's the case I would consider doing yoga and some how find a way to hang upside down, lol. Not entirely sure the body works that way .. I'll look into it.


#3471939 Anyone Unhappy With Their Subsicion?

Posted by Robertitoo on 17 February 2015 - 06:39 AM

Thats funny Robertitoo, I was one of those suckers that fell for the fraxel restore scheme. And obviously the results weren't worth the pay. But I'm about to have subcision done in 4 days, so I'll make a post if the results were worth it or not

Make sure you do suction if you can!! 




#3471713 Anyone Unhappy With Their Subsicion?

Posted by Robertitoo on 15 February 2015 - 02:31 PM

752

Awesome

 

Subcision addresses the scars from the inside or dermis by cutting the scars bands. As a result blood is then pooled under the affected area eventually causing depressed scar to level off with the surrounding area. As where Microneedling tackles scars from the outside or epidermis and slightly into the dermis, causing micro wounds that results in collagen formation (CIT)  depending on needle length. (the idea is that small wounds heal quickly) A combo of both can yield good results. I would throw in a suctioning device for more substantial improvement to prevent the scars re-attaching themselves after a subcision and or microneedle procedure.

 

I'm getting it done in March

 

 

Awesome Roberitoo! Do you mind me asking by who? I might have it done by Dr. Rapaport in NJ. Someone else told me they were not happy with having it done.

 

Dr. Rullan in San Diego, Ca

 

And well, this is an analogy will help you understand treatments some more: some people get amazing results with ablative lasers, some don't and some get permanent. damage. Some chemo treatments cure cancer on some patients while on others chemo is rendered useless, and eventually die. Tylenol works on you but not on your wife... The list goes on and on and on...

 

One bad review wont stray me away from subcision considering subcision has countless research papers backing it up!! 

 

You have to try it out yourself.

I will tell you one thing tho. A Dermatalogy practice is essentially a business seeking to make $$$. You have to make a decision based on your knowledge and what you believe it best for you. 

 

Not from a doctor that will sell you snake oil Fraxel: Restore like most. (Not saying Dr. Rapaport does this)




#3471708 Anyone Unhappy With Their Subsicion?

Posted by Robertitoo on 15 February 2015 - 01:53 PM

Subcision addresses the scars from the inside or dermis by cutting the scars bands. As a result blood is then pooled under the affected area eventually causing depressed scar to level off with the surrounding area. As where Microneedling tackles scars from the outside or epidermis and slightly into the dermis, depending on needle lenght causing micro wounds that results in collagen formation (CIT) (the idea is that small wounds heal quickly) A combo of both can yield good results. I would throw in a suctioning device for more substantial improvement to prevent the scars re-attaching themselves after a subcision and or microneedle procedure.

 

I'm getting it done in March




#3471288 Just Did Subcision :)

Posted by Robertitoo on 11 February 2015 - 03:46 PM

I would def. do suction next time around and leave your skin alone for 6 months after subxision with some needling and chemical peels here and there. That's what I am doing. I am taking 2 weeks off this march to follow a study/protocol precisely. I will ask the nurses if they can take a HD pic of my scars and send it to me. That way I can start a blog similar to yours.


Def improvement nevertheless

Also, did your doctor mark the scars with a pen ? And did your face swell up after the numbing?

I don't think she marked it with a pen, however, I think she followed the photo, what she took. She had some kind of a professional device, which makes your scars look crazy bad (I didn't want to see my pic to be honest, I think I would get depressed).

She numbed each and every scar separately and after a little injection, she subciside it straight away, so I don't think it had any time to swell. I expected I will get 2-3 injections for my whole face, but I think I got like 30 of them.

This waiting is crazy!!! I would love to see improvements immediately biggrin.png BTW I forgot to mention, that I started to do some dermarolling in may 2014 (0,5 mm dermaroller and 1 mm dermastamp). One session every 6 weeks. I think, I've seen some results, however, not really breathtaking.

I have these days, where I am so happy and I see good results and some days, when I see my scars from a different angle with a special lighting and I get sooo depressed. I am sure guys, that you know, what I am talking about... Such a life change from only 5 months of acne...

No treatment will get you immediate permanent results, unfortunately. There's fillers but I'd rather have slow permanent results rather then having to do fillers every few months..one could argue about permanent fillers but meh. Subcision has many more studies vs. fillers anyways.

I'm curious to know what device she used that made the scars more prominent, if there is such thing. Yea, Scars are tricky little bastards and they play unfortunate mind games with one that could make or ruin your day. The day of my treatment I plan on marking my scars with a Gentian violet pen (surgical pen) before the numbing (if there's any) that way he doesn't miss any, can't afford that lol. Unless he has another way of doing it.. It's important to be ambitious yet realistic with your goals. 70% is big but so is 50%, 30% and 20%. 100% would mean everything for me and I know I can get close. Patience definitely plays a big roll and so does attitude. You said you didn't want to see your pictures.. I would have personally looked at how my scars look at had him sent them to me to archive for future reference and for personal motivation...

 

Acne sucks and scars suck even more. But, do know that there's light at the end of the tunnel rolleyes.gif




#3471157 Just Did Subcision :)

Posted by Robertitoo on 10 February 2015 - 01:09 PM

I would def. do suction next time around and leave your skin alone for 6 months after subxision with some needling and chemical peels here and there. That's what I am doing. I am taking 2 weeks off this march to follow a study/protocol precisely. I will ask the nurses if they can take a HD pic of my scars and send it to me. That way I can start a blog similar to yours.


Def improvement nevertheless

Also, did your doctor mark the scars with a pen ? And did your face swell up after the numbing?