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#3459141 Repairing the long-term damage from Accutane

Posted by IndigoRush on 08 November 2014 - 12:56 PM

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#3458620 Repairing the long-term damage from Accutane

Posted by IndigoRush on 04 November 2014 - 02:51 AM

Following on from my video, I just want to re-iterate a few things.

I was wrong about Matt Stone's work when I spoke of it previously.

It's not right for people with our level of health, though it is important to eat enough calories which can be hard on some variety of a vegetarian diet.

 

Matt does make two good points about body temperature being a good indicator of metabolism, and not drowning ourselves with un-necessary amounts of water though. Regardless of what caused what, things have gotten worse... at least, for myself. Gradually, things have got worse. Whether it's high copper, adrenal fatigue, hypothyroidism, gut issues or something entirely different that was the trigger point, I believe the answer is the same.

 

Those of us (all of us?) who have mental health issues because of this - I speak mainly of Anxiety - can relieve some of our stress by just accepting that we have anxiety right now and there's nothing we can do about it. I've done a lot of mental practices to try and counteract it and nothing works long-term. Short-term, meditation and deep-breathing as well as walks in nature are good, but the best thing to do would be to accept it's the side-effect of our current health situation, rather than feeling sorry for ourselves and comparing ourselves to the 'lucky ones'.

 

Also, I think we MUST choose faith over fear.

For me, it's almost 9 years since this all began.

I couldn't easily write off my life as a disaster and kill myself if I allowed myself to believe this was it, and that I'd never get a second chance.

I don't believe that's true, and more importantly - we can't allow ourselves to believe that's true.

There are people who have got better, albeit hard to find among the horror stories of broken lives.

We need to focus on setting our intention for a better life.

 

Regarding diet, I say do what works for you.

I understand exactly what it's like to care for animals and to see the horror they go through to provide a meal.

Nothing can justify the way animals are treated, and it's something I want to be able to change.

However, for me personally, Vegan/vegetarian was one of the worst moves for my health.

If I'd of kept it up, things would have got worse.


Some people can seemingly do very well on a vegetarian diet.

Others, not so much. Maybe it's down to blood type, or genetic build. I don't know.

 

Regardless of all the controversy in opinion over whether we should (or need to) eat meat, the adrenals and thyroid need meat when they're in a bad way.

I'm not going to try and say Copper is 100% the problem at this stage (I'll confirm that once I'm better) but it's very hard to get enough zinc, iron and other things on a vegetarian diet. You'd have to eat A LOT of pumpkin seeds (for zinc).  

 

Life is pretty cruel I guess.

How we have to kill to survive.

If you've ever watched a nature documentary, you'll see that all of the animals have a degree of violence.

Male elephants fight for dominance.

A baboon will try to kill a baby Cheetah.

 

I still only eat chicken, turkey and fish because I can't just switch off the things I've seen.

But, if I didn't eat any meat at all, I don't think I'd be in a good place at all.

I expect things would go from shit to shitter, to shittest.

Vegetarian diets will lead to a zinc deficiency. B12 too, probably.

Nuts, etc are high in copper.

Zinc also gets used up during stress and for processing of sugar in the body.

My girlfriend is vegetarian and her health isn't the best really (though a sure sight better than mine - she never took any meds).

 

Vegetables are the holy grail of foods, but I don't think it's smart to JUST eat Fruit and veggies.

Though some may believe fasting is a good thing, it'd be hard to get more than 1500 calories per day unless you're doing the whole blending of banana's thing.

I avoid dairy for the most part. Just have a bit of chocolate from time to time.

I went gluten and dairy free for a few weeks and only noticed my wallet being waded through faster.

 

My diet is mainly meat, veg, salad, some fruit (not much - Yeast overgrowth - maybe two pieces a day) and some ready salted crisps.

I think that's the best I can do for now. I usually have a sandwich at lunch time.

Lamb would likely be a lot healthier than any other meats as they're allowed to grow eating a natural diet and aren't pumped with hormones or whatever.

I just feel uncomfortable eating an animal that's slaughtered after 6 months.

Plus, there are many sheep around where I live in the country... They're beautiful as little-uns.

Creepy eyes though.

 

Oh look, I went off on a tangent.

I've not watched porn for 61 days. Definitely has made a big difference to my sex life (though occasionally I still can't feel much and struggle to ejaculate. My sex drive is also a bit lacking, but that's clearly related to my adrenals and general health - as well as, perhaps, low zinc.).

I don't even think about watching porn anymore.

I can get a bit more done, and avoid spunking away the energy I do have.

 

The book 'Depression Free, Naturally' by Joan Mathews Larson is definitely worth reading.

It'd be easy to say we're just depressed and anxious because of our physical health problems.

But I believe our anxiety and depression is linked in with everything.

This book is written by someone's who's been running a practice for 20 years (at the point the book was published).

She was ahead of her time and knew in the 90's that low fat diets were dumb.

Her Son killed himself, so she gained a personal obsession with mental health causes.

The book has chapters individually on anxiety, depression, OCD, etc.

Each will feature a set of case studies and lists all the causes she's learned.

 

For anxiety, copper overload and adrenal fatigue (part of the same package) were a major one.

As well as diets that raise blood sugar levels too high.




#3458524 Repairing the long-term damage from Accutane

Posted by IndigoRush on 03 November 2014 - 10:00 AM




#3441951 Repairing the long-term damage from Accutane

Posted by IndigoRush on 17 July 2014 - 02:54 PM

Hey guys.

Really think taking finasteride could be disastrous, but if you want to risk it because of the success story above, go for it.

 

 

Above is a link to a video I've made regarding the potential problems with porn.

In the past, towards the end of last year, I tried giving up porn and masturbation to see if anything improved.

During that time, I had some amazing sex... I actually laughed afterwards because my penis worked and it felt good.

It wasn't like that every day, and I believe I got to around 20-25 days without viewing porn.

In the end, I convinced myself it couldn't really do any harm and I'd never be well because 'Accutane has done this to me'.


Though it's possible Accutane has had an affect on our brains (rather than penis' in my opinion), my sexual dyfunction first became noticeable a few years after stopping the drug... So, how could Accutane be the cause?

Regardless, porn can do no good for the reasons I mention in my video, and others.

 

There's a large amount of people that say they went from totally tired, emotionally numb, socially anxious, depressed and unmotivated to 'normal and happy' when giving up fapping it to porn. I thought it was bullshit at first, but it's not at all. I also thought I didn't have a problem with porn because I wasn't wanking off every night or anything.

However, if you watch porn reguarly (once a week or more), you likely have a problem.

For me, the main problems were/are: delayed ejaculation and reduced sensitivity.

I want to inspire you to give this a try because I really did notice a difference at times when I wasn't watching porn.

It can take a few months or more for your mind to adapt to normal again.

 

Fuck that mind-ruining porn.

It's another thing that saps your energy and overloads your brain with dopamine, the same way a drug would (This has been proven, scientifically).

Another video worth checking out if anything I've said to you is of interest:




#3440376 Repairing the long-term damage from Accutane

Posted by IndigoRush on 09 July 2014 - 12:18 PM

I love you all except for that cock above.




#3439348 Repairing the long-term damage from Accutane

Posted by IndigoRush on 04 July 2014 - 06:52 AM

 

 

After eating really 'healthy', taking a hundred different supplements/herbs and everything else, I ended up.... WORSE.

 

Why? 

For two reasons, I believe.

 

You're best chance of recovery is rest.

A lot of my symptoms (and that means nearly all of them) could be caused by mere anxiety and stress build up.

Open your minds for a moment - I bet you spend A LOT of time, if you've not in the past, trying to find answers on Google and in forums like this one.

Always feeling like you need to keep looking, because surely the answer is out there somewhere.

Maybe it's a liver cleanse, maybe it's cannabis oil... maybe it's all a bunch of old bollocks.

 

Without going on and on, I want to hit home with this message: Stop living an abnormal life in the shadows, trying all these ideas that are based on theory.

You don't need to cleanse Accutane out of you. You don't need to have an enema. 

You need to let it all go. Just forget about trying to cure yourself.

 

A lot of ignorance here. Sad that you think you have enough knowledge and experience to tell people they should not change their diet and do nothing except "manage stress", you should learn some physiology before posting full of crap posts (sorry but that make me mad). Keep your deceptions for yourself.

Yo...

 

Might I point out that I started this forum topic and have been suffering from the side effects for 8 years?

Might I also point out that over those 8 years I have tried A LOT of things. All of which have not helped.

I'm not trying to deceive, as you suggest.

My intentions were good.

To me, the blindfold has been lifted and I can see a lot of you poor sods are wasting even more months of your life over what is most likely anxiety. Anxiety after all the self-diagnosing and horror stories.

Tiredness ... Do you expect to be energetic when you batter your mind with worry, likely miss out on getting enough sleep and have an eating disorder?

 

Some may consider it ridiculous of me to suggest you have an eating disorder... I would have too, until recently.

Worrying about everything being organic and natural is bordering on a mental illness.

Maybe it's made it's way past the border.

 

I'm not suggesting diet isn't important... 

What I'm saying is, I was eating organic fruits and vegetables... spending over £100 on food a week myself (and I still live at home).

Surely if the solution was diet, I'd of at least improved?

But that didn't happen.

Because although, obviously, eating natural unprocessed foods is a good thing, there lies a problem with it... especially if you have metabolic issues...

I.e. the symptoms of Hypothyroidism and Adrenal Fatigue.

It only recently occured to me that I'd been undereating for a while.

I'd estimate I was having around 1500 calories a day. That's not nearly enough.

 

Fasting, diets and all those things are not good for the body.

Fasting is a terrible idea. When your body is screaming 'eat.... eat' and you ignore it because you're on a juice fast or something equally stupid, well... you're just going to end up worse.

 

I'm not ignorant to the topic of health. Not by a long-shot.

But if you're cold a lot of the time, have a low sex drive, are prone to anxiety/depression... you're nervous system is in sympathetic mode.

That's not a good thing. You're body is stressed out.

Food is a way of de-stressing. A way of comfort.

The World is fucking god-awful at times... We're supposed to enjoy food and listen to our bodies wants and needs.

If you enjoy salty foods, you likely need more of them.

Drinking too much fluids and eating too many fruits/veg (mainly water) will flush and dilute your body... worsening things.

It's well known that when you have adrenal fatigue, you need more salt because sodium isn't easily retained.

I could go on...

 

Going back to some examples of being cured... Joseph came up. Rice and shrimp.

That's not fucking cured. That's absolute retarded madness. Wake up.

Avoiding all but two foods is not normal, or healthy. I don't care who says differently.

 

Dude who said avoiding Milk helped clear your acne.. 

That's great, but I doubt it has anything to do with retinol content.

Much more likely, you just are better off without milk, as are many people.

You're not the first to say their acne cleared from cutting the dairy.

 

And I want to re-iterate that stress and mental well-being is far more important that anything else.

If you've been to the doctors and the blood tests don't point out anything worrying... you need to work on your problem with health anxiety.

I was trying to help, not ridicule you guys.

But I don't come on here anymore, and when I (every few months or so) check in to see what you're talking about, I think 'Fucking hell. They're still at it.'

Smoke your cannabis if it makes you feel good.

Put cannabis oil on your wrist if it helps.

 

I'm just saying - CHILL THE FUCK OUT.

Life is too short to waste chasing answers that aren't there.

You can get better for sure, and I'm sure we all have different variations of health issues to heal, but brain fog, depression, low sex-drive... They're explainable as anxiety and exhaustion of body and mind.

And for sure as fucking Jesus, you can exhaust your body and mind with stress and false-beliefs.

Stop throwing away your hard earned cash on another supplement, that may or may not (likely not) help you.

 

I look forward to telling you that I'm all better in a few months, but I've only just started this new journey.
A journey of freedom.

It doesn't mean eating junk shit all the time.

But it means I'm no longer afraid of a single cookie causing diabetes.

It means, if I want fried chips ... I'll have them and enjoy them.

 

Once again... two most important things: EAT ENOUGH (I suspect some of you are fucking up your metabolic rate, especially if you've noticed cold hands and feed) and DEAL WITH ANXIETY. The books I recommended will help you greatly.

 

Or, you can ignore my advice, get angry and moan at me.
It really makes no difference to me.

 

Peace.

Accutane affects other people differently than it does others. Basically what you're suggesting is to get over it and enjoy life. I get what you are saying and agree with you, but keep in mind that other people have had far worse experiences on accutane to the point of being contantly in pain.

 

Brain fog and low sex drive and depression aren't necessarily all caused by the exhaustion of the mind and body. Usually it is and the drugs amplify these issues, but not always. At least that is what I have found with me. Cutting out the unnecessary annoyances in life wherever I could has helped as has finding hobbies and interests that I enjoy doing.

 

I firmly believe diet greatly impacts the symptoms that one may have, so yeah what you eat is important. For instance, I've become FAR more sensitive to refined sugar, dairy, wheat and anything with a lot of carbs basically. When I cut those out I felt FAR better than I have ever been since shortly after ending my accutanne treatment 12 years ago. I still have chronic dry skin and dry eyes. No amount of water helps so perhaps I simply can't store water very well (let's just say I go to the bathroom after drinking a small amoutn of water).

 

Now I can live with my symptoms...I imagine things will get worse for me later on though since things have slowly been getting worse over the last 4-5 years. I'm thankful that I don't have ulcerative colitis and that I only have IBS...THAT is something you can't really enjoy life with if you have it (unless you enjoy blowing money on surgeries and spending tons of time out of work).

 

All of this stuff can be explained away by saying that "it hasn't been proven" or that "not everyone that took Accutane has it", but you gotta really wonder with all the reports that people have about it if it is just a coincidence or not.

 

At any rate, some people aren't able to enjoy life because of constant pain, multiple trips to the hospital, and just the time and money being spent trying to get back to having a "normal" life. If a person loses too many things at once, then it is nearly impossible to truly enjoy life. Luckily for me, it has been a slow progression and I personally find joy in volunteer work and writing poetry. That is all I need and want and although my joints do bother me at times, I can still write so I am happy.

 

Just try to be careful what you say because some people could very well take offense to what you are suggesting, especially if they have some of the more "severe" side effects of Accutane. Generalization is a VERY bad thing which will only tick others off which from what I am reading in your post is exactly what you are doing. Again I get what you are saying and I agree with pretty much all of it...just keep in mind though that any medication has a chance of messing you up pretty badly and that sleep and rest won't always cure or even help those that are experiencing side effects from medication in general.

Thanks for the reply.

I agree a lot with what you've said.

Although I definitely suffered very badly with the effects of this drug, everyone is different and some many have more issues that me.

 

I suppose my message was aimed at those who can relate to it.

It's an odd scenario because it's very easy to start blaming every problem in your life on 'that sodding drug I took ____ months/years ago'.

For me personally, the eye floaters and sexual dysfunction began a few years after coming off the drug.

If Accutane caused those problems, I'd like to know how...

 

My main point isn't in ignoring problems and just accepting them, because I think that would be very hard to do for anyone... for the rest of their lives.

However, I realised that back when I was at college (age 17-18) I didn't struggle to get out of bed and think clearly like I do now.

Things like dry eyes ... Annoying as hell, but I tried so many things for that alone and realised I was fighting a losing battle.

I think Life is too short to waste away searching over and over for an answer to something like that.

Now... I don't use any eye drops or anything. My eyes are dry upon wakening and can feel bad at times, but overall... I'm better than when I used drops etc.

 

I believe the reason I'm so tired now is pure anxiety and stress. A lot, un-intendedly, self-inflicted.

Bad things happen to everyone. Y'all have likely realised nobody really has it easy.

I mean, look at us. We had acne and then we end up with all these problems... 

A bit of perspective can be healthy though.

I watched embarrassing bodies on TV last night (a show in the UK). I'll tell ya... that show will make you feel lucky.

 

The only goal in all of this, though, is to be happy and content. At peace...

I understand many people on this forum will state that's impossible. I was one of them.

If you look back at some of my posts, I'm sure you can see what kind of state I was in.

But I look back at the years of my life with some regret.

I've lost friends... partly because I was so lost in my own world with it's problems. Partly because those friends didn't make an effort...

But I think 'Wow... All the things I could have done... I've not really done much'.

Anxiety and low mood have held me back for so long.

 

Without going on and repeating myself my only points are these:

 

- You have to know when it's time to stop waiting around for a pill/supplement/diet to cure you. Don't put your life on hold and say you'll do things when 'you're better'.

- Stress can cause pretty much any problem. You've taken the drug now and there's nothing you can do to change that. Be reasonable. Sure... it's a fucking terrible drug (for some) and I'd never touch it again.... but is it really the cause of every problem in your life now?

- Anxiety could have been triggered by this drug. I've read of people who's anxiety came on after using drugs (like Marijuana). The answer is the same. You have to heal it mentally and over time. The key is to accept that you're anxious and will be for a while, because it's been going on a long time. Instead of fighting, you face the things that make you anxious and practice acceptance. For me, walking up the road past strangers on my own, or having my space invaded can put me on edge. Instead of adding more tension, worry and stress (which will exhaust you and cause physical symptoms), you tell yourself 'It's okay. I don't need to figure out why I'm like this. I've been so stressed and worried for such a long time. My body is in a heightened state and worrying makes me worse.' If you accept as best you can, how you are feeling, you will get better. Some degree of anxiety is normal anyway.

 

(Once again, I don't know how many of you this anxiety stuff will relate to, but I'd guess the majority, if not all).

 

- Depersonalization is where you feel un-real. Like you're in a bubble. Like you're friends and family could be shot in front of you and you'd feel nothing. It's just another symptom of anxiety. This used to scare me more than anything. The complete numbness.

 

- Get the fuck out of your comfort zone. I'm only trying to help you... because lately I've realised some things. Staying in your room, rarely leaving it... going on your laptop all night... It's just got bad news written all over it. When you're depressed and anxious, being alone will lead you to dwell on the past... fear the future and try to fix everything at once (which can't possibly happen). Get outside, so that four walls aren't surrounding you. It'll feel weird at first, but you need to change if you want your situation to improve. I used to walk round the same field every day. Rarely was anybody else ever on it. Now, I'm walking up the streets so I have to walk past people. I sit on a bench for a while... and .... nothing bad happens. You are merely afraid of feelings. Over time, you can realise you need not fear feelings.... and, ironically, those feelings will smooth out.

 

- Don't expect to get better over night. I sometimes prayed before bed (I don't believe in God, I was just desperate) that I'd wake up better. That's an impossible dream and will only lead to you waking up disappointed. Instead, go to bed (at a reasonable time) hoping for the courage to handle things as they are. You can psyche yourself up at any time to have courage. It's better to be angry than afraid. Get pissed off that you're life has flashed before you... Get pissed off that you've become a shadow of your former self. Fuck those people who let you down, gave up on you or walked away. Show them you're better than they thought.

 

Once again, I want to reiterate... The reason I won't be going on google is because I realise nearly all of my symptoms are down to stress and anxiety only. Some of you may have bowel problems, I dunno... Find what works best I guess, and stick to it.

 

I used to cut out foods (like gluten) because I thought 'Maybe I have a gluten intolerance'... all because I'd read how bad gluten is. Yet, I had no real reason to believe I had an issue with gluten and millions eat it every day and are healthier than me... Sure, they didn't take a drug... But I was changing my diet and becoming bored at times with what I was 'allowed' to eat. Yet, over months... nothing I did was making a difference. Lifestyle and stress are very important. You can eat as healthy as you want but if you're putting yourself in a constant state of panic about your health, or anything else, you're body won't function right. Constipation and all sorts can be caused just from the thoughts you have.

 

If you think I'm full of shit, feel free to write this off as a bunch of rubbish.

For those that may read and think 'Yeah... this guy actually speaks some sense' ... I'm glad to of helped.

Have a good day.

 

Stefan




#3438878 Repairing the long-term damage from Accutane

Posted by IndigoRush on 01 July 2014 - 03:12 PM

After eating really 'healthy', taking a hundred different supplements/herbs and everything else, I ended up.... WORSE.

 

Why? 

For two reasons, I believe.

 

You're best chance of recovery is rest.

A lot of my symptoms (and that means nearly all of them) could be caused by mere anxiety and stress build up.

Open your minds for a moment - I bet you spend A LOT of time, if you've not in the past, trying to find answers on Google and in forums like this one.

Always feeling like you need to keep looking, because surely the answer is out there somewhere.

Maybe it's a liver cleanse, maybe it's cannabis oil... maybe it's all a bunch of old bollocks.

 

Without going on and on, I want to hit home with this message: Stop living an abnormal life in the shadows, trying all these ideas that are based on theory.

You don't need to cleanse Accutane out of you. You don't need to have an enema. 

You need to let it all go. Just forget about trying to cure yourself.

 

A lot of ignorance here. Sad that you think you have enough knowledge and experience to tell people they should not change their diet and do nothing except "manage stress", you should learn some physiology before posting full of crap posts (sorry but that make me mad). Keep your deceptions for yourself.

Yo...

 

Might I point out that I started this forum topic and have been suffering from the side effects for 8 years?

Might I also point out that over those 8 years I have tried A LOT of things. All of which have not helped.

I'm not trying to deceive, as you suggest.

My intentions were good.

To me, the blindfold has been lifted and I can see a lot of you poor sods are wasting even more months of your life over what is most likely anxiety. Anxiety after all the self-diagnosing and horror stories.

Tiredness ... Do you expect to be energetic when you batter your mind with worry, likely miss out on getting enough sleep and have an eating disorder?

 

Some may consider it ridiculous of me to suggest you have an eating disorder... I would have too, until recently.

Worrying about everything being organic and natural is bordering on a mental illness.

Maybe it's made it's way past the border.

 

I'm not suggesting diet isn't important... 

What I'm saying is, I was eating organic fruits and vegetables... spending over £100 on food a week myself (and I still live at home).

Surely if the solution was diet, I'd of at least improved?

But that didn't happen.

Because although, obviously, eating natural unprocessed foods is a good thing, there lies a problem with it... especially if you have metabolic issues...

I.e. the symptoms of Hypothyroidism and Adrenal Fatigue.

It only recently occured to me that I'd been undereating for a while.

I'd estimate I was having around 1500 calories a day. That's not nearly enough.

 

Fasting, diets and all those things are not good for the body.

Fasting is a terrible idea. When your body is screaming 'eat.... eat' and you ignore it because you're on a juice fast or something equally stupid, well... you're just going to end up worse.

 

I'm not ignorant to the topic of health. Not by a long-shot.

But if you're cold a lot of the time, have a low sex drive, are prone to anxiety/depression... you're nervous system is in sympathetic mode.

That's not a good thing. You're body is stressed out.

Food is a way of de-stressing. A way of comfort.

The World is fucking god-awful at times... We're supposed to enjoy food and listen to our bodies wants and needs.

If you enjoy salty foods, you likely need more of them.

Drinking too much fluids and eating too many fruits/veg (mainly water) will flush and dilute your body... worsening things.

It's well known that when you have adrenal fatigue, you need more salt because sodium isn't easily retained.

I could go on...

 

Going back to some examples of being cured... Joseph came up. Rice and shrimp.

That's not fucking cured. That's absolute retarded madness. Wake up.

Avoiding all but two foods is not normal, or healthy. I don't care who says differently.

 

Dude who said avoiding Milk helped clear your acne.. 

That's great, but I doubt it has anything to do with retinol content.

Much more likely, you just are better off without milk, as are many people.

You're not the first to say their acne cleared from cutting the dairy.

 

And I want to re-iterate that stress and mental well-being is far more important that anything else.

If you've been to the doctors and the blood tests don't point out anything worrying... you need to work on your problem with health anxiety.

I was trying to help, not ridicule you guys.

But I don't come on here anymore, and when I (every few months or so) check in to see what you're talking about, I think 'Fucking hell. They're still at it.'

Smoke your cannabis if it makes you feel good.

Put cannabis oil on your wrist if it helps.

 

I'm just saying - CHILL THE FUCK OUT.

Life is too short to waste chasing answers that aren't there.

You can get better for sure, and I'm sure we all have different variations of health issues to heal, but brain fog, depression, low sex-drive... They're explainable as anxiety and exhaustion of body and mind.

And for sure as fucking Jesus, you can exhaust your body and mind with stress and false-beliefs.

Stop throwing away your hard earned cash on another supplement, that may or may not (likely not) help you.

 

I look forward to telling you that I'm all better in a few months, but I've only just started this new journey.
A journey of freedom.

It doesn't mean eating junk shit all the time.

But it means I'm no longer afraid of a single cookie causing diabetes.

It means, if I want fried chips ... I'll have them and enjoy them.

 

Once again... two most important things: EAT ENOUGH (I suspect some of you are fucking up your metabolic rate, especially if you've noticed cold hands and feed) and DEAL WITH ANXIETY. The books I recommended will help you greatly.

 

Or, you can ignore my advice, get angry and moan at me.
It really makes no difference to me.

 

Peace.




#3438665 Repairing the long-term damage from Accutane

Posted by IndigoRush on 30 June 2014 - 10:03 AM

Just want to check in real quick.

I obviously stay away from the forum now but occasionally get a message from someone checking I'm still alive, or whatever.

 

I still make youtube videos often (www.youtube,com/stefanalexlay).

I have a couple of things to suggest, because I think you're all blinded by your errors.

Some of you are newbies.

 

I'm not going to start saying that you're imaging any of your symptoms.

You know I hate this drug too.

But, a lot of the alternative health field is full of theory, which sounds good but doesn't work.

I could carry on trying new things just to exhaust every revenue completely, but I already realised something.

After eating really 'healthy', taking a hundred different supplements/herbs and everything else, I ended up.... WORSE.

 

Why? 

For two reasons, I believe.

 

You're best chance of recovery is rest.

A lot of my symptoms (and that means nearly all of them) could be caused by mere anxiety and stress build up.

Open your minds for a moment - I bet you spend A LOT of time, if you've not in the past, trying to find answers on Google and in forums like this one.

Always feeling like you need to keep looking, because surely the answer is out there somewhere.

Maybe it's a liver cleanse, maybe it's cannabis oil... maybe it's all a bunch of old bollocks.

 

Without going on and on, I want to hit home with this message: Stop living an abnormal life in the shadows, trying all these ideas that are based on theory.

You don't need to cleanse Accutane out of you. You don't need to have an enema. 

You need to let it all go. Just forget about trying to cure yourself.

Drugs are toxic and people react differently.

You reacted bad to this drug... but rest is the best chance of your body getting better.

Not battering your mind with worry.

Not trying different diets, that frankly can make you worse.

 

Some may of heard of Matt Stone and his ideas on Metabolism.

Some would say he's unprofessional in his approach... some hate the guy.

However, he makes a lot of sense.


Many people go through these motions - thinking they can heal their body if only they manipulate their diet...

They end up getting worse because they fuck with their metabolism and undereat.

I've been thinking lately and it's clear I've been undereating.

I calculated on a site what I should eat to maintain my metabolism and it's around 2400 calories.

 

For those of you who experience feeling cold, anxious, depressed, tired, low sex-drive, etc... 

You may be one of many who have a low metabolism, all thanks to trying all this shite.

My basal body temperate is 35.5 degress C.

It should be at 37, optimally.

1.5 degrees didn't seem like much to me, but it is.

 

Before I go, I'll leave you a few resources which have helped me.

Some will be shocked at this, but when you're feeling shit (like I do from time to time) and really depressed, you think 'What the hell'....

I'm currently taking Sertraline (a.k.a Zoloft) for Anxiety/depression.

It's a DRUG!!! OH MY GOD! AHHHHH!!

 

I'm on Day 7 and so far have nothing to report, but I'm taking time off work because I'd been fighting for too long.

It's only been recently I've realised how much I've been making things worse.

My anxiety/depression was reaching a point where I needed to take time off from my, frankly boring/stressful/lame job.

I can hide it well enough, but I was still suffering.

 

I'm not approaching this as 'I'll rely on a drug to fix me'.

I don't know if it'll work. I know a couple of people who have had really good results and are on it now.

The first two weeks you feel worse - which, to me, after all I've read about toxins and blah blah, seemed like a bad idea.

But the only things I'm dealing with (so far) are tiredness and low appetite (which I'd hate for several days or so before taking the drug).

I'm chilling as much as I can.

I don't really want to be on a drug for anything long term, but if it helps... great.

If not, I'll stop taking it... especially if I'm hit with side effects badly, again.

 

Resources for you all:

 

Book: Self-help for your nerves by Dr. Claire Weekes.

This one was published in 1962.. some of the words aren't used anymore, but it stills holds up very well and is the best book I've read on anxiety.

It'll help you understand that a lot of your problems are anxiety and how to get better (clue: stop searching for a cure).

 

Book: At Last A Life by Paul David.

Similar to the book above, but much more recent and lists more symptoms and goes into detail.

Really reassured me that I wasn't dying or something. You guys will likely see yourself in much of this book.

 

Book: No more perfect diets by Joey Lott.

Joey is just a random guy who's been where you are now. Tried a bunch of diets after experiencing health problems and over the years became worse.

His ideas were found through Matt Stone and others. This book is cheap as chips to buy on the Kindle. It helped me see sense.

 

Book: Cleansed by Joey Lott.

Want to point out I don't know this guy. Just realised he's had a similar experience to me and this book helped me see that a lot of the stuff in alternative health is pure bullshit/fantasy/lies.

 

Book: Eat For Heat by Matt Stone.

He's got quite a few books.

You could just visit his site (180degreehealth) and subscribe to his site to get emails explaining metabolism.

The basic idea is to stop diluting your body with too much water and to eat more... maybe much more than you have been.

 

This is all early for me, but I won't be trying anymore crazy diets/cleanses/supplement regimes.

They don't work and never will.

 

Focus on your mind and rest overall, or you'll end up worse.

Bye.




#3433471 Repairing the long-term damage from Accutane

Posted by IndigoRush on 27 May 2014 - 12:14 PM

Hey Guys.

Hope you're doing okay...

 

Just wanted to check in.

I'm still in the same boat as I was a couple of years ago.

Have days that are better than others, but overall have to survive each day as it comes, usually with a big lack of energy.

 

A really good book for anxiety (a big problem for me) is At Last A Life, by Paul David.

It's about letting go of control. I'd read it in the past but am re-reading at the moment.

I try to avoid researching anything with health now - I've wasted a lot of my life looking for a cure and never found it.

 

However, the dude who posted a video about liver flushing to cure himself has made me want to give it a try.

I'm skeptical, because after researching into it a little, there are others who have done dozens of flushes and are still in a poor state of health.

It's hard not to be bothered by the complexity of all of this.

Cannabis oil is never going to be a viable option for me and some others that post here.

I have doubts that it will be the final answer too.

 

Some days I feel like I'll never get out of this mess.

On others, I feel more optimistic.

For now, I'm eating as a vegetarian (though I'll have fish occasionally). I try to avoid processed foods as much as possible, but can't help but feel I should be benefiting more than I am by my dietary choices.

I plan to try a liver flush in the next few weeks, after taking some colon cleansing supplements (magnesium oxide based).

I take probiotics daily and firmly believe that our main point of focus needs to be detox pathways - Digestive system and liver support.

 

I've messaged the guy (James, was it?) who made the YouTube video and haven't yet heard back, so if he happens to be reading this, please get back to me.

The liver cleanse process doesn't exactly sound much fun, but what is there to lose at this stage?

I just want my health back, rather than trying to pretend everything isn't all that bad.. Because it is.

When I think about the years lost because of a fucking acne drug, it just gets to me.

 

Stefan 




#3399629 Repairing the long-term damage from Accutane

Posted by IndigoRush on 08 December 2013 - 04:30 PM

Absolutely gutted to have found out about James :(

 

 

The most aggravating thing is when Roche bring up 'Acne can cause depression' even when most articles relate to depression after treatment and when the acne has cleared up. Cunts.




#3387974 Repairing the long-term damage from Accutane

Posted by IndigoRush on 12 October 2013 - 01:21 PM

It's been a while y'all.

How's things?

Anybody made progress?

 

My plan:

 

Lost of rest - mentally and physically.

No more porn.

I'm not convinced that the sexual dysfunction is linked to Accutane anymore.

There's a bunch of guys (young and old) who can't 'perform' in the bedroom with a girl because they've fucked up/de-sensitized their mind with porn.

Also, on the topic of sex, I'm quitting masterbation unless I have a strong urge to erm, beat my meat.

Or jack my beanstalk (I made that one up myself).

 

With all this recovery, half the battle is mental.

I've learned a lot.

Breathing deeply and allowing yourself to relax helps. 

Stress can't be avoided so you have to allow yourself the opportunity to recover, especially with the added worries some of us have had.

Leaving this forum helped me a lot and I barely talk about Accutane anymore.

Because it's boring.. Boring as shit. And nobody else gives a fuck.

So stop going on about it.

Doesn't matter what happened because you can't change it.

Just treat this like any health problem - Give your body the best chance to heal, with good food, good lifestyle choices and make sure to rest when you're tired rather than argue 'I shouldn't be tired this early/this much. I'm only 20', or whatever.

 

A couple of years ago I was terrified my hair would all turn grey/fall out.

I was scared things would get worse.

Those fears weren't based around facts... just delusions.

Sure.. this drug fucks you up, but I believe we can recover.

 

Look into 'No Fap' if you're someone who can't get turned on without the stimulation of porn. No Fap actually means no Masturbation too.

Like I said, I'm going to give that a break until my body tells me it's up for it.

A bunch of guys have said there depression/social anxiety and other issues dissolved with No Fap.

Sorry if this seems very random and incoherent after not posting for such a long time, but this is where I'm at right now.

 

I broke up with my girlfriend about 11 weeks ago (I think) and it's given me the opportunity to better myself and look at my problems objectively.

I'm going to kick these problems out of my life for good this time.

 

Love y'all x




#3371558 Repairing the long-term damage from Accutane

Posted by IndigoRush on 03 August 2013 - 01:14 PM

*Moderator edit, Link removed - read the board rules*

 

Someone linked me to this.




#3370115 Repairing the long-term damage from Accutane

Posted by IndigoRush on 29 July 2013 - 03:46 PM

Thank you...

I'm not sure I'll be spending much time chattin', but it's nice to see how you're all doing.

I hope you are well.

While I've made some good progress personally, with facing fear and being less obsessed with Accutane, unfortunately I can't shout 'I'm cured'.

My health issues are still there, and they do still get to me... sometimes a lot.

I guess I've learned a few things though...

 

My advice: Don't bother with ANY supplements. Such a waste of money and they only ever led to me feeling more frustrated because they did fuck all.

I still try to eat well and make an effort to avoid too much junk.

Main issues for me are still waking up like a bag of hungover crap, despite not consuming alcohol.

I seem to have vertigo and dizziness a lot of the time.

The dry eyes and dry mouth and a pain in the butt, also.

I don't even bother with eye-drops anymore.

Balancing blood sugar levels seems to be important, because anything too high in sugar tends to wipe me out and leave me exhausted.

 

Due to start a new job next week, so will be earning full-time wages again.

I'll probably start spending a bit more money on real, good food.

But yeah, I won't be wasting it on pills.

I got a juicer last year and haven't used it in months.

 

The problem I have is, I've read so many books and online articles... there's so much conflicting evidence.

I always find myself thinking twice before eating.

'Are eggs good or bad?' I ask myself.

'I have bread every day. What if this is stopping my digestive system from healing...' blah blah.

I still vlog on YouTube (www.youtube.com/fireyourdoctor) if you want to follow my progress, but I don't talk about Accutane or health as much these days.

The other day I was sent a newspaper story about someone who killed themselves 9 days after the BBC3 documentary aired.

They'd taken Accutane 10 years ago and ended up suffocating themselves because of the side effects.

That put me in a depressed state for a while.

Reading anything like that will, so don't go looking for information like that.

 

Anyway,

 

That's a little update for you

x




#3331362 Repairing the long-term damage from Accutane

Posted by IndigoRush on 06 March 2013 - 03:51 AM

This threat is getting juvenile. Someone please post something helpful?! Thanks.

 

I read a few posts here... having trouble keeping up with this thread... I used to read it and post to it religiously when my side effects were at their worst and I was desperate, trying hundreds of supplements/diets/yadayada, with no help whatsoever...

 

Until now:  please please please, everybody look into Standard Process supplements (Iplex or oculotrophin for eyes) (dermatrophin for skin) , peppermint oil, Picamilon, and burdock(burdock totally helps with ED) /dandelion tinctures...

 

I think on my last post I accidentally was telling everybody to buy Boswellia when I was meaning to say Burdock, so if you bought Boswellia because of me instead of Burdock I apologize profusely... Although Boswellia sounds like it could help with our symptoms as well, I have personally been taking Burdock with success.

 

These supplements have cured me, and to be quite frank and honest, my diet hasn't been the greatest and I have drank a lot and smoked pot during this period of healing because I basically said "Fuck it, nobody believes me about my side effects, I have a few hundred floaters a day at the age of 24"... so I gave up but still took the supplements listed above with amazing results.

 

Maynerd - When you say cured, do you mean of everything?

Hair-loss, dry-eyes, fatigue, etc?

Was Peppermint oil for digestion?

And I've not heard of Picamilon. What's that for?



 

I'm glad some of us can stay focused.  Just started taking glucosamine, chondroitin, MSM, HA, and collagen.  Two separate bottles (one has everything besides the collagen), definitely already noticed a difference.  Skin is as smooth as a babies ass. This is on top of the iodine i started taking which works great for morning stiffness and vision. HOORAH!

 

Sounds great smile.png. What form and how much iodine do you take?

 

I've taken Lugol's Iodine twice for a few days each and definitely had a reaction. Normalized my circadian rhythm and changed my digestion drastically (not necessarily for the better). Also felt strange/dizzy/off. Like a bad hangover. Not sure if it actually helped or made things worse. Interestingly I have the same reaction after eating way too much coconut fat. Some kind of temporary hyperthyroidism maybe? Herxheimer reaction?

 

I had an abdomen-MRI last week and there weren't any gallbladder/liver issues. My pancreas has something going on, but the pictures had many movement artifacts, so don't know for sure. Got another test running for my immune status, looking for viruses etc.

Yah I am taking biotics liquid iodine.  I do notice the jittery feeling after taking it but it subsides after about an hour and then i'm okay.  It puts me to sleep and like i said no morning stiffness, which is a huge battle for me in the mornings! Also, makes my skin nice and soft as an added bonus.  I don't know about long term use, but in terms of getting adequate rest, I will take it as long as needed to get sleep.  So far past several nights have been about 75%.  Which is a step up from 25%



 

This threat is getting juvenile. Someone please post something helpful?! Thanks.

 

I read a few posts here... having trouble keeping up with this thread... I used to read it and post to it religiously when my side effects were at their worst and I was desperate, trying hundreds of supplements/diets/yadayada, with no help whatsoever...

 

Until now:  please please please, everybody look into Standard Process supplements (Iplex or oculotrophin for eyes) (dermatrophin for skin) , peppermint oil, Picamilon, and burdock(burdock totally helps with ED) /dandelion tinctures...

 

I think on my last post I accidentally was telling everybody to buy Boswellia when I was meaning to say Burdock, so if you bought Boswellia because of me instead of Burdock I apologize profusely... Although Boswellia sounds like it could help with our symptoms as well, I have personally been taking Burdock with success.

 

These supplements have cured me, and to be quite frank and honest, my diet hasn't been the greatest and I have drank a lot and smoked pot during this period of healing because I basically said "Fuck it, nobody believes me about my side effects, I have a few hundred floaters a day at the age of 24"... so I gave up but still took the supplements listed above with amazing results.

And that makes me happy

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I know I use this forum too often to plug my songs and videos, etc, but I can't resist doing it once more:

 

https://soundcloud.c...son-to-be-alive

 

Please listen to my new song which I recorded at home today.

It's Accutane-related technically speaking, because most of my songs are influenced by that drug haha

 

Stefan,

 

love the new song.  Especially the quick turnover at the end, really tugs at the emotions, like the edge is getting closer and closer.....but you BEST not jump! smile.png



Maynerd,

 

What symptoms were you struggling with exactly? My main ones are joint pain and painfully dry skin...has any of the things you tried helped that? I'm assuming dermatrophin helped with the skin...

 

 

Haha, thanks. Glad you liked it :)

I've sent it off to the radio through something they're doing for unsigned artists, so hopefully they'll like it too!




#3330610 Repairing the long-term damage from Accutane

Posted by IndigoRush on 03 March 2013 - 04:37 AM

Was in the studio recording a new song all of yesterday.

Stuff like that makes me feel goooood.

Do it.

The song won't be up for a little while but it's so rad.

Ended up getting lost after dropping a friend home though... Didn't get back until 2am.

Driving at night is tough. My eyes get tired and I get cranky as fuck when I don't sleep.

Had to get up early today to visit a relative.

But I've been feeling good the last week.

Definitely making progress.

I stand by protein being helpful. Eggs and buttered toast seems to be a good meal for me.

Haven't read all the posts from the last 24 hours... What's this about Joe talking dirty? haha