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#81 bellydance_me

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Posted 12 June 2009 - 11:05 PM

QUOTE (MrObi @ Jun 11 2009, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But wouldn't your first five treatments kinda 'prep' your overall skin or at least have a compounded minor improvements? I wonder if say you had three treatments at 70mj VS 8 treatments that you did now you'd still have the same result? Maybe the first five sessions paved the way for your later (and more aggressive) treatments? I don't know if I'm making sense.


I've always stated in this forum that I've had good results with my first 5 Fraxels, with approximately 35% improvement. In fact, I was completely happy with my first 5 Fraxels UNTIL I saw what the maximum energy level could do to my skin with my 6th, 7th and 8th Fraxels. Only then I realized wow, I hope I had tried the max energy earlier so that I could have saved my money, energy, and days off from work.

So yes, I've had good improvements from my first 5 Fraxels with medium settings. However, I could not help but wish that I had met a doctor who treated me with high energy levels starting my 1st treatment. Then I wouldn't have needed 8 Fraxels. It would have been 4 or 5 and that'd be it.






Fraxel II Full Face

1st Treatment
02/26/2008
35MJ, Treatment Level 4
8 Passes

2nd Treatment
03/20/2008
45MJ, Treatment Level 5
8 passes

3rd Treatment
04/10/2008
45MJ, Treatment Level 6
8 passes

4th Treatment
05/07/2008
45MJ, Treatment Level 6
12 passes on both cheeks and 8 passes on the rest

5th Treatment
06/11/2008
45MJ, Treatment Level 6
12 passes on both cheeks and 8 passes on the rest

(7 month break here)

6th Treatment
01/24/2009
70MJ, Treatment Level 11
8 passes

7th Treatment
03/04/2009
70MJ, Treatment Level 11
8 passes

8th Treatment
04/15/2009
70MJ, Treatment Level 11
8 passes

(7 month break here)

9th Treatment
11/25/2009
70MJ, Treatment Level 11
8 passes


#82 MrObi

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Posted 13 June 2009 - 12:04 AM

QUOTE (bellydance_me @ Jun 12 2009, 11:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
QUOTE (MrObi @ Jun 11 2009, 09:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
But wouldn't your first five treatments kinda 'prep' your overall skin or at least have a compounded minor improvements? I wonder if say you had three treatments at 70mj VS 8 treatments that you did now you'd still have the same result? Maybe the first five sessions paved the way for your later (and more aggressive) treatments? I don't know if I'm making sense.


I've always stated in this forum that I've had good results with my first 5 Fraxels, with approximately 35% improvement. In fact, I was completely happy with my first 5 Fraxels UNTIL I saw what the maximum energy level could do to my skin with my 6th, 7th and 8th Fraxels. Only then I realized wow, I hope I had tried the max energy earlier so that I could have saved my money, energy, and days off from work.

So yes, I've had good improvements from my first 5 Fraxels with medium settings. However, I could not help but wish that I had met a doctor who treated me with high energy levels starting my 1st treatment. Then I wouldn't have needed 8 Fraxels. It would have been 4 or 5 and that'd be it.

Ah ok got it!! I'm hoping for 35% also! We'll see if my skin responds quite well to 45 joule, maybe they'll up it just for the scars next time I'll see them (in six weeks)..
Fraxel Restore
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First Treatment (June 11th, 2009)
Level 6
Energy 45mj 1176micron=1.176mm depth
8 passes (4 horizontal, 4 vertical)
Products used: Ice pack, Gold Bond multivitamin moisturizer, hydroquinone 4%

Second Treatment (August 14th, 2009)
Level 6
Energy 50mj 1224 micron=1.224 mm depth
8 passes (4 horizontal, 4 vertical)
Energy 70mj, 2-3 passes spot treatment on deeper acne/chicken pox scars. 1316 micron=1.316 mm depth
Product used: Ice pack, Gold Bond multivitamin moisturizer, Remergent DNA Skin Repair, Aloe Vera multi vitamin gel, Neutrogena Even Tone Vitamin C with Helioplex Spf30, hydroquinone 4%

Third Treatment (September 25th, 2009)
Level 6
Energy 55mj (didn't check the micron info)
8 passes
Energy 70mj, couple passes spot treatment on scars.
Pain: Felt more than the last one even though energy only went up by 10%. Possible reason was because I've been under the sun this past couple weeks (not sure).

Fourth Treatment (November 13th, 2009)
Level 6
Energy 55 mj on mid face
Energy 30 mj on forehead
8 passes
Energy 70mj, couple passes spot treatment on scars.
Pain: Don't know why it was much more painful this time, even with leaving numbing cream longer than before..but 2nd day now, face is reasonably decent/pink.

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Posted 16 June 2009 - 03:23 PM

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UC 951, I'm glad I read your posts. I have a lot in common with you. I am a Fitzpatrick IV and Korean. I have sensitive skin and I also don't consider my scarring that bad.. However in harsh lighting I feel like absolute shit. It's only on my right cheek too. The type of scarring that goes away when you pull at your skin. Anyways, I'm very curious as to how your treatments go. I saw that you mentioned in one of your posts about going to a dermatologist in Fullerton. Could you be speaking about Premiere Dermatology? Please let me know how your treatments are going and keep me updated! I'm currently on a course of Accutane (I kick myself in the ass for not doing this sooner), and it's upsetting that I cannot get any scar treatments for a long long time. 3 months left on my course and 6 months after that. However, I am hoping to get some insight from your treatments, seeing as how we have many similarities in skin type. Oh and I saw that you mentioned you got a filler injected at one point and it wore off correct? While you had the filler did it do its purpose? I ask this because I'm hoping to get some fillers put in after I finish my course, to give me some temporary satisfaction while I wait for my skin to heal from Accutane. Hope to hear from you man, and good luck!

Hey,

Yeah I will keep this updated with what I do with my skin. I am getting a spot treatment from my derm with DeepFX laser next Wednesday (June 24, '09) just to see how my skin heals/deals with the laser. This is my own preference to do this as I don't want to regret doing my face with the CO2 energy. Note, I am doing DeepFX. Not Active FX, or TotalFX at that. From what I've researched DeepFX is quite similar to Fraxel Re:pair in that both are fractionated carbon dioxide lasers. Anyhow, after I get the sample spot of DeepFX I will determine if I will get my cheeks and forehead done.

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QUOTE (UC 951 @ May 24 2009, 06:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I was wondering, if you could send me pictures of your fraxel experience via email (i can send you my adress) because on the forums all I see is as follows, [attachement:fraxel_123] kind of thing.

Sure, I will take a few pics and email them to you. Do you mind posting your address here? I have disabled PM.



#84 bellydance_me

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Posted 17 June 2009 - 06:02 PM

Got your address. You should delete it now. I'll email you the pics.
Fraxel II Full Face

1st Treatment
02/26/2008
35MJ, Treatment Level 4
8 Passes

2nd Treatment
03/20/2008
45MJ, Treatment Level 5
8 passes

3rd Treatment
04/10/2008
45MJ, Treatment Level 6
8 passes

4th Treatment
05/07/2008
45MJ, Treatment Level 6
12 passes on both cheeks and 8 passes on the rest

5th Treatment
06/11/2008
45MJ, Treatment Level 6
12 passes on both cheeks and 8 passes on the rest

(7 month break here)

6th Treatment
01/24/2009
70MJ, Treatment Level 11
8 passes

7th Treatment
03/04/2009
70MJ, Treatment Level 11
8 passes

8th Treatment
04/15/2009
70MJ, Treatment Level 11
8 passes

(7 month break here)

9th Treatment
11/25/2009
70MJ, Treatment Level 11
8 passes


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Posted 17 June 2009 - 06:23 PM

do you get most of the collagen production during the 5 sessions or after the 5 sessions are complete?

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Posted 24 June 2009 - 07:42 PM

QUOTE (bellydance_me @ Jun 10 2009, 08:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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I saw that the treatments were 1200 each?? I live on the West coast and would be willing to travel to have this done. How long do you think I would need to stay there before flying home?

Hi swtjessy23, my apologies for the late reply. I've been out of country for a while.

I personally wouldn't fly to go see Dr. Rokhsar if I were living on the west coast. Remember, you'll need at least 5 Fraxels, spaced between each month. That means, you'll have to fly every month and stay in NY at least for 5 days to look half decent. That'll cost you more than $2000 for each trip!!

I believe there are some experienced doctors in the west coast. Look for ones that are used to treating patients with acne scars...then they'll be willing to use the higher energy settings. I really don't think it's worth flying and going through all of that.


Hi Bellydance_me,

I know, it would be a lot of money - but from what I've read it seems as though he is the best.

Is it important to have it done every month? I was planning on doing one in December, then January, (skip February) March, (skip April) and then not until May.

I really wanted to see him for my consultation and the first fraxel and then possibly get a recommendation from him for a Dr. on the West coast.

Any advice you can provide from your experiences would be sooo appreciated!!

Thanks again smile.gif




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Posted 28 June 2009 - 10:35 PM

Hi guys!

I'm an oldie who hasn't posted in a while. I'm Korean with medium skin (don't know the skin color type but I'm a MAC NC30 shade). I've had three Fraxel Restore procedures done, all on low mjs (15, 16, and 18). My third one was three weeks ago at 18mj with 8 passes. It was the strongest the RN would go because she was very worried I might experience hyperpigmentation. My scars are not too deep and I did not want to risk discoloration so I did not object to the low settings. Well, after three weeks my skin is still reddish/tannish/brownish in the areas where the Fraxel passed. It is very different from the previous two Fraxels where my skin returned to its usual color after a week or so.

My fourth Fraxel was scheduled for next week but I postponed it until late August to give my skin time to heal and resume its normal coloring. The doctor told me it is temporary discoloration and told me to contine using hydroquinone, Neocutis and Journee. I'm inclined to believe her (after all, my skin has been "lasered" and surely the skin needs time to heal!) but in moments of panic, I get so worried that the discoloration will never go away. So please, guys, have you experienced discoloration and did it disappear and if so, how long did it take? What kind of treatments did you use? My cheeks and forehead are definitely a darker color than around my eyes and although it can be covered with makeup, it is still quite noticeable. My fraxel treatments weren't even that intense but I can't believe I'm experiencing discoloration! p.s. i have not seen much improvement in the scars...

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Posted 13 July 2009 - 12:13 PM

QUOTE (dilemma @ Jun 28 2009, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Hi guys!

I'm an oldie who hasn't posted in a while. I'm Korean with medium skin (don't know the skin color type but I'm a MAC NC30 shade). I've had three Fraxel Restore procedures done, all on low mjs (15, 16, and 18). My third one was three weeks ago at 18mj with 8 passes. It was the strongest the RN would go because she was very worried I might experience hyperpigmentation. My scars are not too deep and I did not want to risk discoloration so I did not object to the low settings. Well, after three weeks my skin is still reddish/tannish/brownish in the areas where the Fraxel passed. It is very different from the previous two Fraxels where my skin returned to its usual color after a week or so.

My fourth Fraxel was scheduled for next week but I postponed it until late August to give my skin time to heal and resume its normal coloring. The doctor told me it is temporary discoloration and told me to contine using hydroquinone, Neocutis and Journee. I'm inclined to believe her (after all, my skin has been "lasered" and surely the skin needs time to heal!) but in moments of panic, I get so worried that the discoloration will never go away. So please, guys, have you experienced discoloration and did it disappear and if so, how long did it take? What kind of treatments did you use? My cheeks and forehead are definitely a darker color than around my eyes and although it can be covered with makeup, it is still quite noticeable. My fraxel treatments weren't even that intense but I can't believe I'm experiencing discoloration! p.s. i have not seen much improvement in the scars...

Hello,

Mind you I had the SR750 Fraxel re:store (I guess there are two different restore's). Basically, if you did or didn't have to put some kind of blue dye on your face for the laser to "read" the skin, than that determines which laser you probably had. Anyhow, I had the old one where blue dye is necessary and I had about five or six treatments spaced about six weeks apart (obviously, I am still unhappy with my skin, but I'm not sure if the Fraxel did or didn't help actually, it was like two years ago.). So yeah, I can say now that I didn't experience any hyperpigmentation. I hear I am a fitzpatrick IV, I basically can tan very easily but I do eventually burn. I don't know what the settings were for me, but on the old laser I think my Doctor said they were pretty low.

Are you staying out of the sun and stuff for awhile? That is a must. I actually didn't though, I did whatever but that was my mistake. Anyhow I do recall like the skin in certain areas looking a little darker but it would fade away within like at most, two weeks. Don't worry but take it as a precaution if you're concerned with the pigmentation more so than the scarring. I had a spot treatment of the DeepFX on a tiny little scar on my cheek to see how the laser itself would do on my skin as I too am Korean. Sure enough, the are is a lot darker now ha. I actually dont think its funny at all, but it is a little funny how I'm so concerned about my appearance that I might end up messing up my own skin. I new for some reason the carbon dioxide laser would be different on my skin, so I arranged the spot treatment to see for myself. I plan on getting the new SR1500 Fraxel Re:store laser in the future as I pretty much have had the style of laser in the past, just I hear this one is newer and I don't have to put that blue crap on my face. Anyhow, I plan on actually doing high settings, but just to be sure I don't count my chickens too soon if all goes planned and I can choose my settings I think I would start at 35mj as the max for the new one is 70mj. I was hearing from another lady on here whom is Asian as well and she has been getting 70mj full face with no regrets. And I do here the more energy your skin can handle the better. Anyhow, good luck. Don't worry im sure you're pretty.

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Posted 20 July 2009 - 05:26 AM

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Got your address. You should delete it now. I'll email you the pics.


Hi Bellydance_me!
I read all your posts. I'm asian and have yellowish medium dark skin. I got my first fraxel treatment on Feb 09. I got two treatments, and now I can see small improvements. On my last treatment I had 40MJ, TL 6, 8 passes. As u mention, I might need to go for a deeper energy level to improve my acne scars. unsure.gif But I hava also noiticed that my whole skin tone is a little bit darker. I'm also a little bit scare to take more treatment. I might become more dark. Thanks for sharing your experiences in this thread.
Do you mind sharing your before and after pictures in private?

Thanks

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Posted 15 August 2009 - 01:47 PM

Bellydance,

How are you? I tried sending a message but it backfired.



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Posted 15 August 2009 - 02:38 PM

hey bellydance, just curious, if you obtained 35% improvement after 5 sessions with decent intensity.. what do you think your outcome will be after 8 treatments and having more aggressive treatments?

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Posted 27 July 2010 - 09:24 PM

Hi,

I'm new here. Can anyone recommend a good dermatologist in NYC that specializes in Asian skin for for fraxel?

thanks

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Posted 28 March 2011 - 03:05 PM

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I am an Asian male with, I think, Type II skin. I just had my 2nd fraxel a week ago. The settings have been:
1st: 10, 125
2nd: 12, 125

After the 1st Fraxel, I was swollen for a day and red for about 3-4 days. I did not experience hyperpigmentation. I think the setting was too low and I did not see a difference at all. I had my 2nd Fraxel 3 weeks later and was swollen for a day and red for about 4-5 days, though I'm still a little bit red in the cheeks after the 7-8th day. I have not seen a noticeable difference in the scars, but I do see that my skin tons seems smoother and is "glowing". But I am not sure because it is sunny where I am (San Francisco) and it could be due to the fact that my face is a little tanned from the sun.

I will post again after my 3rd. I hope to see some results then. Crossing my fingers.


I know its been a long time since you posted this, BUT if anyone reads your post they might get confused. Asians do not have type II skin (Fitzpatrick) . they are either III or IV or in between. dont treat asian skin as a II. EVER. (I'm like a pale vampire and I know for sure I am not a II. I regret it now that I didnt figure it out earlier)
Your regime should attack most causes of Acne.
You should also eat a healthy diet (Make it an anti inflammatory diet. High in antioxidants, and Omega 3's)
You should also exercise regularly. (I do Yoga and Cardio) A daily workout of at least 15-20 minutes a day is fine. (Yes, you actually DO have 15 minutes.)
And finally, STRESS LESS. =) ( I personally have issues with anxiety and stress. When this and my already crazy hormones come into play I get severe breakouts)

My skin type: VERY oily, acne prone, hyper pigmentation prone, scar prone


Morning Routine: (6AM...I wake up early)

1. Cleanse with Oil Cleanser
2. Treat skin with Finacea
3. Protect and moisturize with a Sunblock lotion of at least SPF 30

Throughout the day:
1. (optional) Apply Aloe vera gel if skin feels itchy or irritated
2. (optional) Blot if there is excess oil

Afternoon:(12:00 PM)
1. Eat lunch and take a low dose antibiotic (Solodyn)

Late afternoon:(6PM)
1. Cleanse with an oil cleanser
2. (optional)Tone with a non astringent toner (no alcohol)
3. Moisturize with a lotion or cream depending on the weather
4. Let the moisturizer set for 30 minutes and treat skin with Tazorac gel

Before Bed: (9-10PM)
1. Take BCP (Right now I'm on Yaz and It's not working well enough. Will switch)
2. Tone skin or use a gentle cleansing wipe
3. Spot treat existing lesions according to it's type (Can be very tedious)
4. (optional) moisturize dry spots or flaky skin with Aquaphor (So in <3 with this stuff! Though I have oily skin...)

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Posted 29 March 2011 - 10:03 AM

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it has been about 25 days since my 4th fraxel and my skin looks pretty good. its still a little red but overall, the texture is smoother and my scars are barely noticeable when i wear makeup. i would say that i have a 40 to 50 percent improvement. my skin HAS lost some pigmentation but who cares!

i actually have people telling me that my face looks like its glowing. i can finally enjoy life and be a part of society without being all self conscious. Man, it is a great feeling

i am glad i did fraxel. eusa_dance.gif



Hey Chi-girl. Congrats.

I've been pretty depressed about this stuff myself and I am really considering fraxel. 40-50% improvement is AMAZING. I would kill for that. Where did you go? DId you go to NYC to see that Dr. Roshaia or whatever his name is? The expensive doctor but, the one with great experience?

How much time did you take off from work & school? These fraxel non ablative laser treatments say there is little down time for healing but, its complete shit and only true in contrast to ablative laser treatments if I am not mistaken. I am looking into a consultation shortly. Did you find the place yourself or did your dermatologist help you? When did you notice most of the results? How long is the down time give or take?

I found a place that will do spot treatments. A specific scar that is healing but, I am not impressed with I want to get help fixing. From what you said, it sounds like it was full face. Sounds like its made a world of difference. I am quite happy for you. With dating, socializing, work, its nice to have peace from skin complications. I've sacrificed so much of my eating habits, given up dates, dating, flaked cause of my skin or now a shallow scar. Its terrible on the self esteem, on my beliefs, and confidence. I am unfortunately on my own for all this stuff. My rents cannot help out cause of finances. I am a student so, I have some bills but, this is something I am really serious about it. How expensive was it - rough idea & mention currency so, I know what we are speaking about exactly.

If you can think of any questions for consultations, please let me know. Congrats again on your success./

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Posted 06 April 2011 - 10:44 AM

I'm asian female, 25 and getting my first fraxel tomorrow... kinda scary hearing bout all this hyperpigmintation. I went in for my consultation about 5 weeks ago and she recommeneded that I use hydroquinon 4% twice daily in the morning and night for at least 4 weeks before I can start my fraxel. Hydroquinon should help my skin from getting hyperpigmintation. I'm still worried, but I've had acne scars since I was 10. I've been reading everyones forums.. and don't see anywhere where someone actually treated their skin before fraxel. I do hope that treating my skin prior to the procedure will help. I will update everyone with my progress. I'm to do a series of 6 treatments spaced 4 weeks apart. I am offered to take vicoden (pain reliever) and Xanax for anxiety, but I'm not due to that I won't have a driver. I've also read how painful the produres are, but I think I can tolerate pain pretty well.. due to the fact I've given birth 5 times with no pain meds. lol... alright enough said... will post u soon.

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Posted 11 April 2013 - 05:58 PM

Kinda of dead for a while. Updates? New guinea pigs?