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In the more bad zones, where i recieved 4 N-Lite sessions (but so much distanced, i think this was my fail), the improvement is rounding 40-50 per cent at this moment, but my doctor tell me that i have to wait more. The two firsts are from a different doctor that the two last. The two lasts were so much better, because the doctor uses the laser at very high level (it makes me a lot of redness who fades away at 3-4 days). By this reason, i have to wait 3 months to tell you about the new results.

I have readed in one post that you send that with n-lite/smoothbeam the improvement can be at 90-100 per cent. Ok, that is very relative. If your scars are lower, very lower, maybe this percentaje could be performed. But if your scars are just "a little" serious, this is fake. But, in my opinion, the results from n-lite are accumulated; i mean, if you have 2 sessions every 3-4 months, the improvement will be really amazing.

VERY IMPORTANT: you couldn't repeat n-lite always that you want. That is what i think that maybe you have to say to your doctor. I have readed that if N-Lite is repeated very fast, the effects are bad (you can damage collagen). That is what i FULL RECOMMEND to you (as my doctor tells me):

a) Have N-Lite. Then wait for 15-40 days to repeat it (THIS TWO TIMES THAT YOU HAVE N-LITE IS CALLED ONE SESSION).

B) Wait a minium of 3-4 MONTHS TO REPEAT IT

c) After this, another session (2 times N-Lite separated 15-40 days).

Your treatment could be better than this, because you say that you'll repeat it every month for 3-4 times. I think too that this can be a very nice option, but i don't have readed anything from anyone who has do it before; maybe you obtain the best of the improvements, or maybe the lower. Only time will say.

My personal experience:

a) The first two sessions, doctor uses 2,5 in the first and 2,7 in the second. After 3-4 months, 20-30 per cent of improvement.

B) The other two sessions, doctor uses 3,7 and 4 (the maxium i think).


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longits thanks again. I only said 90% improvement as i have read it in this forum somewhere. I have not experienced this, so cannot give an personal experinecd opinion - only quoting what i've read. Must have been for minor scars.

Anyway, my treatment consists of all 4 treatemtns at 2.5. I had my first, the second is in a few days (which is 16 days after the first). I will then have the next one, 1 month after and then the last one a month after. I then plan to wait for 3 months, assess the results and then consider smoohtbeam, which has just recently come out in london.

Longits, do u think i should put anything ele on the fae while i do these n-lite treatments. Will anything help?

I was told that n-lite is not god for red marks in the scars, but is smoothbeam good for this? From what i've read so far, it seems smoothbem is the best option out at the moment. Should i just switch to smoothbeam or finish off the 3 remaining n-lite's???????

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If you see that N-Lite is working, i will not change to Smoothbeam, that's my opinion.

Look, from my point of view, N-Lite works very good, but little to little, and you have to know the limitations; i mean, you can not wait for a 80 or more of improvement after just one or two sessions. That is the problem because the people says that it doesnt works. And, of course, if your scars are really bad, maybe with 4-5 sessions you can see just a very little improvement.

From what i readed of the people talkin about N-Lite and smoothbeam, i have to say a lot of things, because is not right to say that this lasers doesn't works if you don't have the correct procedure. Look:

I have readed from a topic: "non ablative laser just don't works, i have done one session and wait 3 months and i see no results"--> when i see this (it was the first topic that i see talking about nlite) i asked in private to this people about the treatment, and a lot of details. She tells me that the doctor doesn't give her any instruction (to avoid aspirins and antiinflammatories,etc) and that she uses aloe for all over her face before and after the treatment (30 minutes before the n-lite, she has the aloe vera in his face). She drinks at the weekend, and smoke moderatily. Also, takes the sun, but always with protection (and not so much).

And, from other point of view, there is something very important: is necessary to have before/after pictures of your face when you do N-Lite (in my case my doctor uses this and profilometry with silicone). Sometimes, after the 3 months, you see your face exactly like before...this is logical, and that is what happens to a lot of people. But if they could have the before photos, they will really think in a different way.

Look, i'm very happy with the nlite because i think that yes, works so little, but is the only thing that i see that just works in my case (well, as vinegar, but in a different way). And i think that for myself (i have two zones of my face with no so big scars, but they are very very very visible, all rolling scars), the solution is just to repeat the laser every 3-4 months. I would like too that Smoothbeam comes to Spain, to see the results. I have to tell you something, that the MOST of the posts that i read from smoothbeam are really amazing, and i think this is very significative. From this reason, if you have the possibility of having the smoothbeam, i recommend you that after the n-lite (if you see the results are not so good) wait a little time and then having smoothbeam. The way of working of the two lasers are exactly the same, but smoothbeam works with different power of the light (more higher, i think that is 1600 or something like this, and nlite at 585, but i'm not sure), and maybe this could be the reason of the better improvement.

---- To use in your face: i have readed that the use of tretinoin (Retin A, Isotrex) is really AMAZING combinated with non ablative lasers. I'm not using it because it peels so much my face, but if you can, do it. Do not use anythinf more. I just only wash my face with cool water every morning. I don't apply absolutely nothing.

---- 90% of improvement -> if they are rolling scars, with no more than 0,2-0,3 mm. , i think is possible after 4-5 sessions. But with very very good luck.

Don't wait for a miracle with n-lite. In my case, i'm having very good improvement, but my scars are exactly. I mean, they don't dissapear, but they looks better. I mean, when we talk about improvement, i have to say that 90 per cent is so so so high. With 90 of improvement, the scar just will be visible only after special ilumination. I think that the difficult of this is that to give a number of improvement is very inexact. In my case, the profilometry gives me from 40 to 50, depending of the scar (this is a objetive date).

Anyway, i'll keep you posted about all this.


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just had my 2nd n-lite. No problems whatsoever. It's been 15 days since my 1st n-lite. Next one is in 1 months time. No results yet, although it is still early days.

I am however, a bit concerned about the guy that does the n-lite on me. I think he misses areas and only goes over the face once and reasonably quickly. He is cheap though, but not sure whether he's doing a proper job. He only uses the laser at 2.5, and says will do so for the remaining 2 treatments as well. I feel this is low, but is as advised in the n-lite guildlines. I have light asain coloured skin, so perhaps he's just playing it safe, too safe. No redness or anything really signifncat after the treatment. Not sure if this is going to work. Will have next treatmet at the start of october and the last one in november. If i see results, like in 3 months after this, or the results are not satisfactory, i will get smoothbeam done in february.

I also have some stretch marks on my left bicep from weight-training. Is n-lite or smoothbeam good at getting rid of that?

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I have had 2 n-lites - both at 2.5 setting - Dr Chu told me that this is the correct setting for light Asian skin (same as me) - he said, that one pass was as effective as many passes.


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Hello! yes, one pass is the best option, because two passes decreases the results. About the level of energy, 2,5, i don't know so much. I have a very white face, and maybe for this reason my doctor can gives me more energy; for darker skins, low energy is more appropiated. But don't worry, because (in teory) the results are exactly the same.

I'll have the next session rounding december-january. If i don't see a good improvement in these months, i'll wait more to do n-lite again. I'm waiting too for smoothbeam.

Good luck!


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thanks maya. How have u found the n-lite, i mean have u had any results or any improvement yet?

Well, It's hard to say - I had my 1st N-Lite around 3 months ago, 2nd one 1 month ago - but at the same time, I have been doing so many other things (lactic peels, copper peptides, retin-a, vinegar AND now... the new Alpha Lipoic Acid/DMAE cream etc...)

My skin tone is excellent - getting better all the time - I guess it's a combination of all those things.

My pits are more like ice picks, N-Lite will only have minimal results on those - but in conjunction with subcision/needling etc... they have shown improvement. I expect for shallow scars they are fantastic.

By the way, I had my 3rd N-Lite today!! (AND punch excision on 12 ice pick scars!!) - this time I asked Dr Chu if he could up the setting since I had no red faced type reaction last time - so I had it on setting 3. This time, I actually felt it as a slight stinging and burning (no more than slight) which I did not experience before.


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Hello Maya!! It happens to me the same. My doctor uses on me 3,7 and 3,9 - 4, and it hurts but very very little. But the next day, i was very worried about the redness. The points were the laser has done was very visible, and the colour was red turning into purple. After 3-4 days it decreases a lot, and after a week, my face looks normal.

Now, i'm 2 weeks after the laser. At the moment, no results are visible. Every morning i'm drinking one lemon and two oranges juice (squeezed in the moment of taking it). I don't know why, but the skins gets a nice colour with this.

I have passed a bad days, i think that is a lot of difficult to fight against all this.

I have learned a lot in this forum, and i would like to say thanks to all the people who posts with their experiences, good or bad, but that helps to all us. I'm looking at all the posts talking about smoothbeam, and i really think that the next session that i try with a laser will be this. I will wait till it comes to my country (candela told me that they'll give me information).

Please post with your results if you can!! Good luck, and thanks to all!


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Maya, from what I have heard, this Dr. Chu is one of the best around, if he is handling this, I think your almost guranteed good results, good luck

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Today in a newspaper from Spain talks about non ablative lasers. Basically it says that they are not working at 100%, but that this tecnology is very new, and that in the 2004 it will appear more with better possibilities.

Also, it says and recommends to not use CO2 lasers, because non-ablative lasers can produce the same improvement without downtime. But i readed later that the next non-ablative lasers will have to be more agressive to produce very nice results.

Sounds good! [-o<


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Yes I think you're right longits - these non-ablative lasers need to be more aggressive - maybe that is what smoothbeam is about - a more aggressive version of N-Lite? Even still, most people are saying that these non-abl lasers are not good for deep scarring like mine - so I have to have many other procedures along with it.

Niko - yes, I am VERY pleased with Dr Chu. He's my new best friend :D I think that the N-Lite with excision will be my saviour - but I will need to have a few more sessions of excision because my scars are too close together for him to get them all at once.


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Hello! Yes Maya, i investigate Smoothbeam for a few days, and what i found is exactly this: smoothbeam works at a higher wave length than n-lite, and this stimulates collagen very good but is responsible too of the redness the two-three days later.

All these lasers sound very promising, and are very very recently (the new versions, smoothbeam and n-lite V).

At this moment i'm looking too for something really "strange": is a cream called "Creme de Le Mer". This cream was performed by a engineer of the Nasa that burns all his skin in a accident. Is a very very expensive cream, but from what i readed, it is very very incredible.

I'm looking too much to Cuba too, because i know they are the most advanced country in dermatology of the world (yes, i know it sounds strange), because my derm told me that they have all the knowledge about EGF (epidermal grow factor), and that there are one or two creams avaliable (but very very difficul to obtain).


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longits - I know about Creme de la mere - it is hyped up cream - it is now owned by Estee Lauder and really it does not help scars much - maybe red marks (but all moisture helps red marks) - just a good moisteriser with good vitamins and oils in it - you should look at the Alpha Lipoic Acid thread - there is a receipe for face cream that will be better than the Creme de la mer one - I am using it and loving it. Don't waste your money - the reviews by real people are not too good - do a google search and you will see not many rave about it for scarring.

I expect Cuba/Brazil - places in S. America may be very good for cosmetic surgery and anything to do with looks - I read once that the S.Americans value their looks so much that nearly all of them have had some sort of surgery.


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Hello Maya! Thank you very much for your information, because the cream is really expensive, and what i found in google says exactly what you say.

Yes, i'm very interested too in the alpha lipoic acid, and i'm trying to find a cream in Spain with this ingredient. Yesterday i saw one that sounds really amazing, because it was combinated with zinc oxide (i read that is good for skin) but it has aloe vera too, and i prefer to wait a little more before putting something with aloe.

I buy a cream with retinol (is better than retynil palmitate, and it doesn't dry the skin like tretinoin) that is non comedogenic. I doesn't found anything with copper peptides!!I'm thinkin of buying it by internet, because i read from many posts that is working very good.

Drinking lemon is working on me really good. I think that squeezing in the moment is the more important thing. I drink every morning the juice of two oranges and medium/one lemon (after i breakfast, because is very acid). I'm using in one scar (not treated with anything) vine vinegar (6º acidity), and is going good, i think it needs more time.

Ahhh!! I think that i found why vinegar helps with scars. I read in one post of the forum that maybe can help to stimulate collagen. What i read is in relation, but is not exactly this. Vinegar is a potent natural "peel" for the skin. I mean, it increases the renovation of the cells. But what is REALLY AMAZING is that vinegar has sufficient "power" to create a little "lession" to the fibroblast (due to the important properties of peel, not exactly by stimulating collagen directly) and by this indirect reaction create a synthesis of collagen.

I'll keep you posted! :D


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Yes, i'm very interested too in the alpha lipoic acid, and i'm trying to find a cream in Spain with this ingredient.

Look at page 2 of this thread for the home made cream - it is fantastic - I am in ecstacy over it - REALLY!!

http://acne.org/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=6519


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Hello! I read the post and it sounds really amazing. I'm going to make it this monday. I'll add too maybe propilenglicol or something like this to make the substances penetrates better throught the skin, because i think that with this it will helps a lot to make the acid effective.

Thanks again Maya! Tomorrow i have to go to my doctor again to see how the skin is progressing. I'll try to ask her about the substance to use to make the acid penetrates better the skin. I think that is the only "problem" of the cream, it need one or two excipients to do this function.

I'll keep you posted :D

Thanks to all.


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longits - as far as I am aware - the best 3 trans dermal carriers are: emu oil, jojoba oil and aloe vera - they will help with deep penetration.


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hi guys. I've had no improvement at all yet with the n-lite. I got 1 spot as well, and the scarring (small rollig scars on cheeks) and redness has not improved at all. I had my 1st n-lite mid-august and the 2nd in the beginning of september. The next one is at the beginning of october and then november.

I'm beginning to give up. I think i will definitely have to do smoothbeam after the 4 n-lite treatments. What should i use to help the results along? At the moment drinking loads of water, and lemon. I think i will try diluted cider vinegar for a month to see if i get any improvement.

Will i need to take a few days off university if i get smoothbeam done. How long does the redness/after-effects last? I heard around 3 days. How do u guys take 3 days off work???

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You will not need to take ANY time off. After a night of sleep the skin is back to normal, the only time where you might be self-concious are the 1-4 hours after when your skin has big red dots where they did the treatments. This is a no downtime treatment.

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Hi longitis, Cuba is streaks ahead of the US in scar revision technology but marginally behind of the UK.....In Manchester, England a professor called Mike Ferguson is working with a research team at UMIST (University of Manchester Institue of Science and Technology) on TGF beta 3 (transformational growth factor 3) which is slightly more advanced than egf - It is studied on the basis that foetuses can heal without scars as a result of tgf b3 while after birth tgf 1 and 2 take over healing - so we scar (aloe vera actually inhibits tgf 1 and 2) - look at the website

www.renovo.com

and the posts by myself and Anna on voy - Clinical trials are underway - If you can get this cuban cream then definately go for it! It is the latest in technology currently on the market....I do know that Cuba definately has an unbelievable good medical system - youd be surprised what communism can do!

GoodLuck

Marc


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Hello Marc! Yes, i'm full of agree with you. Look, here in Spain, there is a very famous derm (the best of my country), that have access to this creams of Cuba. I don't know what he do. But he is just so expensive, i couldn't access to it. From what i read of these doctor, he has a cream from Cuba that "coagulates" proteins, and your skins turn into a kind of "brown" color, and then it renovates.

There are too a lot of pages talking about Cuba's dermatology advances, you can find it in google, is really amazing. I don't know who a country that is under all the pressure of communism can have the best tecnology.

About the page www.renovo.com , i have discovered it a long time ago by a post of a user of this forum (dim), but i think that this page is very "strange", i think it's false. They don't give any scientifical argument tested on the page.

http://www.cubabiotechnology.com/egf.htm

The authentic EGF is only avaliable in Cuba. Is just incredible. I think they have a lot of solution to our problem.


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yup ur right longitis - but the page is not false - the lack of information there is due to the need for renovo to protect their potentially billion pound product - here is a link to a paper published in 1995 by professor Mike Ferguson

http://jcs.biologists.org/cgi/reprint/108/3/985.pdf

The paper was produced before renovo was even concieved of by its now chairman. I know for a fact that it isnt false as I know 3 people going to study medicine at Manchester (from my old school) and my home is only 30 miles away...I even looked around UMIST on an open day when choosing my uni. The first products of renovo are still 3 years away tho....I might consider participating in the clinical trial as they pay expenses...Travelling from uni in scotland will be v.pricy...I reckon that Cuba is so far ahead by virtue of the fact that communism seeks to put the concerns of people before companies, plus cuba is a non-extradition country where medicine can be practiced by doctors who may have commited unethical research to advance science (same as Brazil). Plus medical companies locate there due to the general secrecy of the country and governement and the embargos/travel restrictions etc. placed upon it to protect their product and research from being copied.


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I mean look at the page you linked to :

In Cuba, through the 30 plus years research and commercial development efforts of Carlos Miyares Cao, M.D. and others, the pharmaceutical, Melagenina, is marketed for use in patients with vitiligo. Melagenina stimulates reproduction of melanocytes and synthesis of melanin. It is not available in the USA due to the Embargo against importation of Cuban biotechnology products into the USA.

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Hi Marc! Yes, is incredible all this. I think that all this is stopped. I mean, whe are using creams from more than 15 years ago! Retin-A haves more than 10 years, alpha hidroxyacids...are from the egypt times!! (Cleopatra uses it, is not a joke).

THERE IS NO INNOVATION IN CREAMS. WHY??? I'm sure that in Cuba the have a real incredible arsenal, but we can't acces to it because all that you said. WHY WE USE CREAMS WITH MORE THAN 15 YEARS? I really don't know.

At least the surgery is advancing, and the lasers too. But is very strange that creams doesn't advance.


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