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[LuckyMan]

Hi everybody!!

Over the last eight months i have controlled my acne extremely well through diet and exercise and reduced my oil to no more than the average bear however i cannot seem to clear it completely as allthough i have many strategies to deal with oil I have no effective strategy to deal with hyperkertinosis (i don’t believe in drugs so Retinoids/BP/SA are out)

Anyway seen as there are people on here more knowledgeable than i, i was wondering could conjugated linoleic acid be substituted for linoleic acid?, are there any people on here who have tried oral or transdermal CLA for any period of time?, are there any studies that anyone knows about? CLA is purchasable OTC in both TG and FFA forms. They say acne is the due in-part to the western life style or perhaps western treatment of livestock but maybe there is more to the mistreatment of cattle than antibiotics, Insulin, IGF-1 and BGH.

Not really, Q. Olive oil is only about 10% linoleic acid, and has FAR more oleic acid, which as LabGirl suggested recently may have detrimental properties for acne.

Really?
*puts down the bottle of extra virgin olive oil, backs quietly out of the pantry*

I can vouche for that, i came to the same conclusion as Queen of the hills and decided to put blackcurrant oil on my arms for about a week two months ago and my skin is still messed up flaky and spotty. what do they say about a little bit of knowledge? glad it was my arms tho!

[bryan]

CLA is purchasable OTC in both TG and FFA forms.

Please show me a source of CLA in FFA form. Thanks.

Bryan

[LuckyMan]

CLA is purchasable OTC in both TG and FFA forms.

Please show me a source of CLA in FFA form. Thanks.

Bryan

The FFA form is difficult to find but there are sources available. Annoyingly many manufacturers (Tonalin, Pharmanutrients) say both FFA and TG forms are available but do not specify which of their products are which.

I have found one that specifically states it is in the FFA form:

Twinlab - Diet Fuel Trim CLA

Unfortunately i cant find anywhere that sells this on its own, you have to buy the "lifestyle makeover kit". which is avilable from a few places such as:
http://www.drugstore...le_makeover.htm

Another one is: Clarinol A-80 (but i can't find anywhere to buy this at all)

The tonalin brand say they supply the FFA version in oil in gelatin capsules but again when you visit sites to purchase them its not clear which is which

Alternatively there are a few chinese sites offering large wholesale quantities of CLA-FFA but its a bit OTT for personal use.

[LionQueen]

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[Giog]

QUOTE(Queen_of_the_Hills @ Feb 14 2006, 04:16 PM)


QUOTE(LabGirl81 @ Feb 14 2006, 11:32 AM)

I doubt this alone can cure acne, but it supplementing EFA's really helps skin be able to restore (or half ass restore, for us acne sufferers) it's lipid barrier...Especially Linoleic acid (but you don't want to get too much without getting enough alpha-linolenic acid, since they should be at a 2:1 ratio). This makes a huge difference in my skin's toleracne to surfactants. I can wash my hands 15 times a day, and not have to worry too much about them becoming dry (even in the winter). My face is more tolerant too....but I doubt that this alone would clear up my skin, without my topicals...actually it's funny you mentioned EFA's and ceramides in the same question....the EFA linoleic acid is very important to the function of creamides, which make up the skin's lipid barrier....

THIS! I haven't quite made the physiological connection, but once in a while I will get out of the shower and dry my face with the towel and the process is very easy as the water will just stay on top of the skin (hydrophobic). This is usually a good sign and my skin feels good these days. Other days, no matter how much I pat dry my skin it still feels wet and gross. I think the ability of the skin to repel water and act as a surfactant is incredibly important. Anyone might have an idea of what causes me to have the proper skin function on certain days? I would guess its my fat intake, rather it is the quantity, quality, or type.

I really hope someone get pick up where I left off.

[alternativista]

Actually, contradicting some of labgirl's otherwise wonderful information, I have found a great deal of evidence supporting the topical application of linoleic acid. And that a deficiency is found in all kinds of problem skin in all kinds of mammals. Including those she mentioned as not having this deficiency. I've also found some info about mutated genes/enzymes that might be at the root of why we have a deficiency in linoleic acid in our skin/sebum. Perhaps some of this research was done since 2006 when this thread was active.

See my lengthy thread on topical linoleic acid: http://www.acne.org/...pical-solution/

I also have a great deal of info on cell desqammation and acne in my ZAG enzyme/lectin thread as I started it due to Cordain's claim that lectins in legumes inhibit the ZAG enzyme which is one of those involved in acne formation: http://www.acne.org/...-clogged-pores/

[Oner]

So let me get this straight. Acne sufferers do not have a deficiency in linoleic acid in their body but, for some reason it does not reach the skin and that is where the "deficiency" is. Wouldn't you find that supplementing with linoleic acid internally would not help and topically would then? Since our Standard American Diet is far from lacking in linoleic acid, it would make sense that internal supplementation with it would not work.

Also here is some anecdotal evidence from a user of hemp oil (not hemp seed oil) and their success.

http://www.essential...d.php?tid=34098

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Benefits for me:
-Reduction in blocked pores/blackheads.
-Active acne soothed and seems to be fading away.
-Almost immediate redness/inflammation reduction (thinking this would be great for rosacea suffers).
-Moist, plump, glowy, hydrated skin.
-No oily residue after applying, it sinks in like a dream.
-It's affordable.
-Beautiful airbrushed finish under makeup or alone.

I know it's only an anecdote but I think it supports the ideas on this topic.