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#21 NEC2234

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 08:00 PM

IDBNVS2,

You must have a close, friendly relationship to medical personnel. I doubt I could walk into the office of my family physician, suggest I've been suffering migraines, then request the doctor to prescribe Topamax. Since I'm 20 years old, I don't know if many physicians would willingly allow access to a drug intended for controlling seizures.

Although, honestly--I'm glad if anyone is taking this medication, it's you. I've read your posts since joining and believe you're inherently skeptical of various scar treatments. If you develop noticeable results, I'll trust your view. Good luck during the process.

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 08:47 PM

Actually NEC, if you go to www.topamax.com migraines is the thing that is mainly mentioned. I believe the drug is also for bipolar disorder.

I find it very positive for us that Rakesh's study found that indented scars like chicken pox (varicella) and acne scars responded best. It's also a good sign that they didn't report excellent results for all scar types since that would make it seem like they were maybe over zealous about reporting good results regardless of what was really happening. His study was done in 2004 so maybe newer studies are now going on but we won't hear about them until they get published.
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Posted 05 January 2006 - 10:02 PM

This link has better pictures from the report. Click on the link below then click on item #4 to see the better pictures.

Click on Item #4 Link After You Click Here
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NickHonestly: they secretly put naked women on the packaging
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Posted 05 January 2006 - 10:46 PM

IDBNVS2, did you tell your doctor that you were suffering from migraines? That is pretty powerful medication. Or did you tell the doc that you wanted to treat acne scars with it? I'm just surprised that you were able to get a perscription so quickly and readily. Usually, even if you WERE suffering from migraines, a doctor would start you out on less intense medications, and you would work your way up to something like Topamax.
Keep us updated, ok? :-)

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Posted 05 January 2006 - 10:58 PM

Be careful with the bi-polar and seizure meds though. THey can cause hair loss and severe depression or manic fits in some people. I also know they can cause diabetes. I know this about most bi-polar meds because I researched them thinking i may have bi-polar at one time. THis is really a terrible story.

I went to the doctor and said that I was feeling exhausted which was from working a lot and studying late. She gave me Zoloft and said that it would make me feel better. I didnt think I was suffering from depression at all but took one of the starter pills a few nights later. I had a horrible reaction and had manic fits of ups and downs for the next week and a half. The next day I went to the emergency room and got a sedative. I then went back to the doc who gave me a mood stabilizer and said that she thought I was bi-polar and that the zoloft had triggered a manic fit. THe mood stabilzer made me feel literally crazy and I quit taking that after two pills. I then went to a shrink and told him what had happened. By the time of the appointment I was feeling more myself. He said I could not take any antidepressant because I would have the same reaction to them all and that the zeprexa which was the mood stabilizer should NEVER have been prescribed by the doc. He also said I was perfectly ok mentally if any of u were wondering lol.


Seriously be careful with that stuff that was the worst week and a half of my entire life.


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Posted 06 January 2006 - 01:05 AM

QUOTE(IDBNVS2 @ Jan 5 2006, 10:02 PM) View Post

This link has better pictures from the report. Click on the link below then click on item #3 to see the better pictures.

Click on Item #3 Link After You Click Here


ninja.gif Those are the most definitive pictures I've ever seen concerning acne scar repair. While the women's scars are hardly deep, it's quite obvious idented marks have dramtically improved.

You have to ask yourself whether the self-esteem issues experienced from tramatic acne scarring is worth the alleged side effects. It's surprising--I would have expected this thread to have reached 100 pages by now with hundreds of members attempting to cross the Mexican border and obtain their own pills. These results sure as hell beat laser resurfacing and any other chemical peels procedures.

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 01:36 AM

Drugs are dangerous substances...anything unnatural in your body will cause side-effects, especially ones that the side effects from ppl who are not disease are relatively unknown.
Who knows which chemicals are going to interfere with which in someone's body as ppl have different responses to different drugs.

So until I see real benefit in before/after pictures from an actual user here, not from some medical "website", I 'd rather not run to Mexico and get the pills.

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 09:19 AM

I plan on sticking to the low dosage of 25 mg.
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Posted 06 January 2006 - 10:19 AM


Guys, I have an idea to find out more about this drug:


Why don't we join an epilepsy or migraine support group and ask its members if they have used this drug and if they've noticed any additional benefits (skin appearance, tissue,tone,ect. ) ?? I bet topiramate is a very popular drug in their lives and they can give us useful advice.

After seeing those pictures I was like wow! this drug does do miracles!! I'm a very doubtful person sometimes, but i believe it's a credible study. And I also think they are undoctored and untouched pictures.
The only problem is that the sample size (10 patients) is way too little. It should have been taken to a greater scale. So if we join one of those forums I'm sure we can dig more imformation.

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 11:52 AM

I just wonder if topiramate consists of many things or if topiramate is not a mix of different things.

Because if it was a mix of different things it should be possible to find out exactly what parts of the drug makes the effect on scar-tissue.

Do you find that possible?



And by the way: The fact that this drug works, in some way indicates that we only have scars because the brain keeps replacing scar cells with new scar cells instead of new good skin. Topiramate must in some way affect the brain to think that the scar tissue should be replaced with skin cells. Doesn't that sound plausible?


That is also why I hope that the "Bodi Tek Blemish System" could help my scars. Maybe the galvanic current could "confuse" the nerves and thereby send other messages to the brain. Hopefully. I'll tell you guys when it arrives.

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 01:11 PM

QUOTE(Novalie @ Jan 5 2006, 11:46 PM) View Post

IDBNVS2, did you tell your doctor that you were suffering from migraines? That is pretty powerful medication. Or did you tell the doc that you wanted to treat acne scars with it? I'm just surprised that you were able to get a perscription so quickly and readily. Usually, even if you WERE suffering from migraines, a doctor would start you out on less intense medications, and you would work your way up to something like Topamax.
Keep us updated, ok? :-)


IDBNVS2? Did you not read my post? I think its important that we share this information with each other....

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 01:28 PM

Novalie,

It was prescribed for migraines which I occasionally get. He said it was a month's worth as a trial to see how I like.

Have you been using Topamax and how long?
"NickHonestly: it's a subliminal advertising technique they used
NickHonestly: they secretly put naked women on the packaging
NickHonestly: but it's hard to tell
Harry Eric Shun: I like to put naked women on my package too
Harry Eric Shun: what a coincidence"

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 02:42 PM

QUOTE(IDBNVS2 @ Jan 6 2006, 10:19 AM) View Post

I plan on sticking to the low dosage of 25 mg.


do you know what dosage the pateints were taking when they saw their scar improvement? were they taking high dosages?

if so, 25mg might not be effective?

you might have to take high dosages to see scar improvemnt, and therefore deal with any possible sideffects.

the fact that it's used to treat bi-polar disorder is somewhat alarming. it's an antipsychotic drug, used to stabalize moods, which means it manipulates brain chemistry! i don't mess with brain chemistry!

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 02:47 PM

olbarn,

In Shapira's study it was starting at 15 mgs and then going to 30 mgs if no side effects were seen. In Rakesh's study (the one with alot of acne and chicken pox scarred patients) it was a daily dose of 25 mgs. I am sticking to 25 mgs and don't plan to take more to avoid any complications with the side effects.
"NickHonestly: it's a subliminal advertising technique they used
NickHonestly: they secretly put naked women on the packaging
NickHonestly: but it's hard to tell
Harry Eric Shun: I like to put naked women on my package too
Harry Eric Shun: what a coincidence"

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 03:00 PM

wow, okay i just saw the pic of the women who achieved great results off 15 mg. with dosages that low and seeing great results, there really could be something to this!

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 08:58 PM

I really want to find out more about this drug and I just joined an Epilepsy support group and a Migraine forum. I'm going to ask the members there if they have noticed any other benefits in addition to brain-nerve balance. Just in case, I also joined a menopause support group (I found out that many women during this stage also suffer from migraines) and I'm going to ask the lovely grannies if they've seen any improvement in their skin appareance.

I'll keep you guys informed

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Posted 06 January 2006 - 11:24 PM

The acne scars don't look that improved, IMO. The surgical scars do, however that could've been natural healing and they are different from acne scars anyway.

I hope I'm wrong and it works....with minimal side effects.
My current regimen: Omega capsules, which contain Vitamins A and ENo topicals

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Posted 07 January 2006 - 01:36 AM

QUOTE(Sassy_Svengali @ Jan 6 2006, 11:24 PM) View Post

The acne scars don't look that improved, IMO. The surgical scars do, however that could've been natural healing and they are different from acne scars anyway.

I hope I'm wrong and it works....with minimal side effects.


If by "that improved" you mean "not completey erased," then yes. But has anyone come across any photos which better capture facial improvements? I haven't. Take a pill once a day for three months and have results such as these? Better than wasting 1,000+ on surgery. Hell, we should be excited IDBN is taking this medication. I just hope he doesn't suffer any adverse sife effects.

What gives the scar healing capabilities legitimacy is all scars featured were from surgeries conducted, acne suffered YEARS prior to the experiment. You have to set aside one variable (age of scar) to get a better indication of whether or not it's the drug which has improved its appearance. And they appear to have done just that.

Don't get me wrong, I'm skeptical like the rest of you. But for an experiment featuring 10 people to have three (from the photos we've seen) experience noticeable results, I'd spend $100 on prescription. There was only one person, the woman, in the study with acne scars--and she featured improvement. I only wish more would have been featured.

IDBN--just a suggestion, but have you considered taking photos of your scars. Not for the board (although that would be appreciated) but for your own assessment? Examining your face everyday you may not notice subtle results over three months which could be captured with a camera.

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Posted 07 January 2006 - 06:23 AM

I am just afraid that this drug might change your brain permanently?

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Posted 07 January 2006 - 10:50 AM

zxc,

How do you know that taking aspirin doesn't change your brain permanently. Hell, drinking alcoholic beverages changes your brain permanently cause it kills brain cells. Every significant experience you have changes your brain/thinking permanently. A car wreck, loss of a friend or family member, it's called life. zxc if you think about your scars as much as you apparently do your brain has changed permanently because of them.

At these doses the chances of this drug damaging people's minds as compared to the mental damage of scarring is nothing especially when the FDA has approved doses up to 400 mgs daily.
"NickHonestly: it's a subliminal advertising technique they used
NickHonestly: they secretly put naked women on the packaging
NickHonestly: but it's hard to tell
Harry Eric Shun: I like to put naked women on my package too
Harry Eric Shun: what a coincidence"