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very strong salicylic acid peels

Denise which salicylic acid peel do you use and where do you get it?

Thanks so much!

Imbue


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Hey Imbue. First off I want to say that the reason I don't do glycolic acid peels is because they don't work for me anymore. And....they are incredibly harsh. My skin became immune to glycolic acid years ago.

I started off with lactic acid peels and when I was getting my microderm done, I was told that the office did salicylic acid peels at 30%, which is VERY strong. I always knew that salicylic acid is much better for acne and breakouts anyway as the salicylic acid penetrates the pores better, bypasses dead skin cells and bacteria, making it much better as a peel and for acne.

Anyhoos, I got one at my plastic surgeon's office, and liked it a lot and peeled a bit from it in places. So then I hear that there is a place on the net that has strong salicylic acid peels as well as glycolic. I got the website from another person on the web and ordered it for myself. I was told that they are 80% salicylic acid, which I find incredibly hard to believe. The one I had at the doctor's office was 30% and that thang stung like you wouldn't believe!!! Comparing the one I ordered online with the one at the doctor's office, I would say that they seem pretty much the same.

I don't know it the solution is buffered or whatever, but I do know that when I have done the peel and used the Super serum, I have had incredible results on scars that weren't needled, and also on scarred pores. I had a whole bunch of those scattered through my left cheek in particular and my forehead and they have improved unbelievably, and some have disappeared.

Since I've been doing the peels for a while, I have to say that it HAS TO BE the SUPER serum. I showed Lilian a scar under my eye that I noticed was filling in that hadn't been needled when we were talking about the Skin Biology products. She looked at it really close and could see where it was filling and she was absolutely amazed, as am I!!!!!!

Anyway, here is the site where you can order the salicylic acid peels:

http://www.glycolicpeel.com/index.htm

The products are listed on the left so just click onto "salicylic acid peels" and you can go right to it.

A strong warning though....these types of peels are to be done every 3-4 weeks. These aren't the "do 2 a week" type of peels. This is a strong,strong peel and it will sting the mess out of you! #-o #-o

I cannot stress how happy I am to have found these strong peels and finding that when combined with the Super serum, I've found an amazing thing for scars. Catlover said that he's had a 50% improvement in his scars since doing peels with Super serum as well, and plans on doing nothing invasive or anything else to his scars as he's having such good results.

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Denise,

I have been using glycolic for 3 months (30%) and have a new bottle of 40%.

I read you saying that you build up tolerance to the glycolic so then you switched to the salylic acids.

How long was it before you build up the tolerance.

How many peels I mean?

How did you know when it did not help any longer?

Did you have a period of no results and how much time did you waste before you noticed?

Your input is appreciated.

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I also believe that strong acids may have to be used along with the copper peptides to help with results. Irritation seems to enhance the the results. The danger of course is someone may not be careful enough or know what they are doing and damage their skin. The safest thing to do is start with the weaker acids and after 2 or 3 months then move up to stronger acids if need be. I've begun to slow down with my results from using 30% glycolic acid abd am seriously considering skipping 40% and moving on up to 50% because I have plenty of experience now (I started with just 2% salilic acid for a long time and then eventually added 30% glycolic acid)and know how to be cautious when need be.

About copper peptides, I do use super cp serum some but it isn't the main cp product I use. I use super cop cream and trireduction with retinol cream mostly. I no longer break out so I can use those cp creams that have retinol in them.

I don't use acids as an actual face peel. I just put them directly onto my scars. When you folks say peels are you referring to spreading across more than just the scars? I assume you just mean the scars. Why put it on more than just the scars?

I also only put the copper peptides only on my scars.

I actually thought I had 60%+ improvement t one time but there was a bit of swelling because I was being very aggressive with my applications. I reentered the work force and had to back off my aggressiveness alot because of too much redness and scabbing every once in a while. Then it became clear that about 10% was swelling and 50% was permanent. I might be a few more % points improved lately but that's all. I believe it is because I'm not irritating my scars enough now since I had to back off because working again,and perhaps because I may need to move up to a stronger glycolic to attack the core areas of my scars in an effort to hopefully desolve scar tissue strands underneath.

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Question for those of you using c.peptides- does your skin become tolerant of it after using it for a while? It makes my skin break out in red splotchy like pimples.

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My scars haven't become tolerant to copper peptides. Elle, are you putting the cp on more than just the scars? Are the pimples appearing on the scars? Do you tend to still break out? Which cp are you using?

My scars are on my face and I only put the cp and acid products on my scars --not the rest of my face skin.

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Having spent several months using the standard CP serum, I have started using the Super CP serum a week ago - I can definately see that this is stronger and more effective. Like Catlover, I am just using the super CP serum on my scars and pushing it into the pits. I'm doing this nightly and every 2nd night will also apply some Isotrex/retin-a as well on the scars only, on top of the super CP (Denise's protocol!!) - leave it for half and hour and follow up with emu oil.

Still doing the lactic peels every 7 to 10 days - very gentle, don't think I have got immune to this - and the vinegar morning and night.

Have also for 1 week added the Glymed - Derma pigment skin brightner (which has Kojic and glycolic acid in it - just treating one very dark, heavily pigmented and old scar - and this seems to be fading it quite well.


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Have also for 1 week added the Glymed - Derma pigment skin brightner (which has Kojic and glycolic acid in it - just treating one very dark, heavily pigmented and old scar - and this seems to be fading it quite well.

You always get the good stuff Maya. Glad that it is working for you. I ordered the mandelic acid so i hope that can do a similar job..but not sure. All these things are so expensive though :(


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I replied to you here, Understood:

Denise,

I have been using glycolic for 3 months (30%) and have a new bottle of 40%.

I read you saying that you build up tolerance to the glycolic so then you switched to the salylic acids.

How long was it before you build up the tolerance.

Denise: Glycolic acid seems to be very new to some people, but I started using it back in 1993 when it first came on the market. I worked up to using 30% *NIGHTLY*. It wasn't doing jack for my acne breakouts because of using it for years.

How many peels I mean?

Denise: No peels, just in creams to be used daily. I became immune even to 30% glycolic and switched to 50% lactic acid peels (every few weeks) and Differin (switched later on to Retin A micro).

How did you know when it did not help any longer?

Denise: No stinging, no anything. No results.

Did you have a period of no results and how much time did you waste before you noticed?

Denise: For me, glycolic acid wasn't keeping my acne at bay where it once was. Remember that I had been using glycolic acid for years. The problem is that it was over years and years that I built up immunity to it. I could tell it wasn't working because I started breaking out.

Your input is appreciated.

Denise: For most of you, this probably won't be a problem until years down the road.

But I do prefer the salicylic acid peels over glycolic and even lactic.

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You always get the good stuff Maya. Glad that it is working for you. I ordered the mandelic acid so i hope that can do a similar job..but not sure. All these things are so expensive though  :(

It was a toss between trying the mandelic acid or the kojic - but since I was putting in an order for my other supplies at homepeels, and they sold the kojic, thought I'd get some and try it out.

I am tempted to get some of that mandelic serum though, sounds really good.

What haven't I bought????? ](*,)


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Denise, thanks for the information about salicylic peels. I'm interested in salicylic peels because I've been told it is better for those with Rosacea. I've never done a peel but I bought glycolic acid 40% and Trireduction cream to practice on my stretch marks. :( I may also prctice on my neck and chest area with it because I have some real sun damage in those areas. I may start doing peels after I've completed my local TCA peels on my scars. I'm wondering if the manolic 10% is a good level to start on, but I'm not sure yet.

At this time with yours and Maya's advice I'ce started to use the following gproducts: CP syrum in the am and pm, salcylic acid 2% exfol cream in the am, moisterizer with 30% sun block ( I carry a 45 sun block with me in case I need more), Retin A in the PM and EMU oil in the pm.

Catlover asked why use these products on the whole face? Well I do use some of the products on my whole face because I'm in my thirties and can use the extra collegen. :(

I'm not using the Retin A on my whole face because it is terrible for Rosacea and I do have Metrogel for my Rosacea when it flares up.


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My scars are mostly pits, I was using the serum all over every time I try the serum after two days I get splotchy red looking pimples with no heads, I always give up after two days because of this and was wondering if I persisted if I would build up a tolerance and the irritation would subside. I think I might try the creams and apply only to the scars.

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Denise... I just wanted to thank you for the great information you've been giving everyone about these products..

I just purchased CP Super Serum with EMU Oil and a bottle of CP serum.. You have truly been a blessing to us all.. The time you are willing to take out your day to inform not only the people on this board but the people at voy as well is truly an inspiration..

WHenever you post i feel a sense of hope that we can all eventually see great improvement in our skin with time..

Now im about to purchase the Glycolic acid as well to go along with Isotrex my Dr. Rullan is about to prescribe me.. Isotrex happens to be a stronger version of Retin A not sold in the States.. Who knows, maybe i can see Huge improvements over the next couple of months...

One thing about skinbio though.. THey didnt inform that i was supposed to get a free product with my order.. I bought over 100 dollars worth of stuff, THOSE BASTARDS :(..

But thank you Denise your inspiring words..

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Hey, thanks everyone for your kind words.

I guess I just want to feel "NORMAL"....you know? I mean, if you can do something relatively non-invasive, why not do it?

I would never ever say that something is working if it's not. I wouldn't do that to anyone. We are all in the same boat and need all the good information we can get.

I never ever never ever thought a topical treatment would actually help fill in acne scars!!!! Havn't we all been on these boards for a couple of years trying to fight the good fight? Havn't we tried every topical under the sun?

But one thing to really remember is that this is a slow process. For example, the scar under my eye that I keep mentioning that was really filling in has slowed down quite a bit. The filling in seems to happen for a week to 10 days AFTER the salicylic peel.

Too often we want a quick fix and I'm finding it's best to go slow and be patient. I had looked at everything and all options of treatment when I first started this quest 20 months ago and I am eternally grateful for the internet, people like all of you, and boards like this where communication and the exchange of information is so encouraging and powerful.

Thanks again, everyone, you are all so encouraging also! I would put up some smileys, but the emoticons aren't working!

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Thinking about ordering the super cp serum. Does anyone know if the super cop is much better or too irritating ? It seems a bit more expensive and I'm trying to save up a bit for the smoothbeam. Read so many posts about the copper peptides seems it's worth a try. Thanks!


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I've been using the copper peptide serum (the regular one) on and off, plus the glycolic 30% (plus the 3.5 BP wash from Neutrogena..which I LIKE A LOT!). So far out of all products that I got from homepeels, I'm most dissapointed with their "fading gel" (code FG10) about 15 bucks. It didn't reduce that one particular red spot that I want to get rid off , like the blood vessel broke when I pinched my acne...that one spot stays there since then

I looked at the homepeels website on the TriReduction Protect and Restore. It says something about "this is for a person under 30"...sorry for my stupid question, but what'll happen if a person over 30 uses it (I'm uhmm....a bit over 30 myself....) will that person have breakouts? Or the product won't be as effective?

I'm definitely thinking of getting the Super Serum (which if I'm not mistaken a.k.a Super cop), I wonder if I should get the Trireduction products with the retinol or not.

At this point I have very minimal breakouts except in my chin/near under mouth or jaw area. Not many, just a couple, at times. but they can get big and cystic also. Lately its been pretty good as I'm putting on my BP pretty much everyday.

My objective is to further improve my skin tone, reduce scars (off course), and even/smoothen out the uneven bumps. I certainly know there will be a few scars that will NOT go away (like a couple big ones on both my temples), but any other improvements, I'm definitely up for it!

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Can anyone please tell me which type ofpeels to choose from?? either glycolic or lactic peels?

I still have occasional breakouts and am using both the exfol and cp serum to treat my scars with not much improvements :) ..so can anyone please suggest which peel should i start off with, and how to use it. I mean what type of preparation should I do? :-s

Please help !!!!!


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I have been using the regular CP serum for a year now, and have just ordered the Super CP serum. I used to do glycolic and then lactic peels before I ever started using the peptides, yet they seemed to make my scars look worse so I stopped the peels.

The regular CP serum in combination with the saline injections over the past year (I have not been consistant with the saline injections) have generated about a 20 percent improvement, perhaps a 30% improvement in some scars. I still have a long, long way to go. I still break out, though due to being on B-5 for the past two years, a strict diet and other supplements, my acne ranges from mild to moderate with the occational cyst, rather than severe cystic. Now that I have been taking spironolactone for a week... I am optimistic that soon the acne will subside more and give me more of a chance to guage the effectiveness of the serum without new scars making everything look worse.

After reading all the posts here, especially Denise's (who I have also followed on Voy) I have also decided to order the salicylic acid peel. I also ordered madelic acid .... I don't think I was getting enough exfoliation to get the real benefits of the serum. With the combination of these new things: the SUPER CP serum, the mandelic acid serum, and the salicylic peels, I am optimistic that I can speed up improvement (I am going to hold off on the Retin A for now, yet may add that in after I get an idea of how this other stuff is working). I will post my progress... Thanks to everyone here...

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hey scorpion_vixen, can u pls tell me where can i buy the salicyclic acid peels and the mandelic acid(what's the purpose of this mandelic acid? :-s )..are they available online?? thanks! :D


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meme you can purchase the salicylic peel from www.glycolicpeel.com..

They actually have a special on the 4 oz package for 89.99 which is cheaper than the 99.99 they had it at prior..

From what i undertand mandelic peels are for people with darker complexion...

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Thanks Steve for posting the link again for the salicylic acid peel....

Meme... The mandelic acid is an exfoliating alpha hydroxy acid that supposedly irritates less than other forms of acid. I have very fair skin and am planning on using it to assist in speeding the healing of leftover acne, shrink pores, and even out my skin tone.... I have no expectations of how it is going to work yet though since I haven't used it.... however, in the madelic acid thread people are having results. After I get a feel for how it is working, I will post about it.

I ordered the 10 % madelic acid serum from

http://skincarerx.com

You can read more about people's experiences with mandelic acid on this thread:

http://acne.org/messageboard/viewtopic.php?t=6094

Hope this is helpful...

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thanks both.. for your replies..i have another question though!! =P~

for both salicyclic and glycolic peels..is there any down time..i mean would my skin go all flaky? or would my skin have breakouts b4 the peel starts working for me?? :-s thanks!! :D


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a far as both pees are concerned.. From what i understand is that you will peel for 2 or 3 days after the peel..

as far as it breaking you out.. It shouldnt..But i guess thats more on the individual and how he or she reacts to it.. but it really shouldnt break you out

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thanks both.. for your replies..i have another question though!! =P~ 

for both salicyclic and glycolic peels..is there any down time..i mean would my skin go all flaky? or would my skin have breakouts b4 the peel starts working for me?? :-s thanks!! :D

meme: I have done a lactic acid peel and did not actually experience any peeling. I only left it on for 3-4 minutes and put moisturizer on afterward.

I didn't have any down time.


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