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#21 Guppylips

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Posted 29 September 2005 - 08:12 PM

Just wanted to let you all know...

I think SweetJade posted about Saw Palmetto a while back in one of her very informative, well-researched posts. idea.gif I think she sited a study where woman that used Saw Palmetto sometimes had to up the dosage to above 1000mg to see any effect. That's what I can remember from the post.

I tried the Saw Palmetto about 2 months ago (but only for about a month and a half). I didn't see any difference. mad.gif My acne actually got a bit worse because at the same time I stopped taking Vitex (aka: Chaste Berry, Agnus Cactus). I was taking 1000 mg of Saw Palmetto and now I'm back to the Vitex.

It's soo confusing for me. My face seemed really great for a while and it may have been due to the Vitex. I didn't know for sure because I was also getting a killer tan and taking the other supplements as well as started using Hibiclens. So I messed up any chance of getting info on any single method. eusa_think.gif

I've been back on Vitex for over a month now (1000mg) and my washing/face regiment has remained the same. I'm going to try and keep things the same to see what effect Vitex really has on me (by the way, ladies, Vitex is supposed to be superb for hormonal acne).

I'm tempted to buy more Saw Palmetto and this new AHA moisturizer. Someone talk me out of it, please... eusa_wall.gif


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Posted 30 September 2005 - 02:39 PM

QUOTE(Guppylips @ Sep 30 2005, 03:12 AM)
  Someone talk me out of it, please...  eusa_wall.gif
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Posted 30 September 2005 - 03:42 PM

That's too cute, Tempest!

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Posted 30 September 2005 - 10:06 PM

Those seeing increase in breast size, how much are you taking? I've been taking 450 mg. a day and it has totally normalized my irregular periods, but I wouldn't mind seeing some increase in the boob department.

My acne seemed to be a little better with it too, but I saw huge improvements in my skin since after taking probiotics again 2x a day for a week. Well worth the money.

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Posted 05 October 2005 - 07:13 AM

Does Saw Palmetto effect a woman's period?

I have been taking it for a little over a week and i havent broken out at all and my skin looks pretty clear besides a few pimples and my oily skin (i'm also using Klaron and Natures cure bp which are really helping and yesterday i just started Natures cure pills for women). I was supposed to get my period about 4 days ago and i havent gotten it wacko.gif . I'm wondering if the saw palmetto is the reason?

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Posted 05 October 2005 - 08:08 AM

I wondered about that too. I started taking SP on about the 2nd day of my period and it pretty much stopped, which would be normal if I were still on the pill but I'm not so my period should have been longer than that. Not that I mind though lol.

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Posted 05 October 2005 - 08:21 AM

When it comes to hormone altering herbal treatments, i wouldn't go self diagnosing and treating... go see a naturopath and an endocrinologist first... get the endo to do your blood-work because unless you need to alter your hormones, these type of herbs can be detrimental and cause imbalances which will be even harder to correct...

if you think your estrogen is low (or any other hormone is out of whack, it may not be estrogen, it may be that you're not producing enough progesterone), then get the endo to confirm this... symtoms alone are not a good measure.

if you take estrogen altering/increasing herbs and you don't need to, you could damage your liver! estrogen becomes very difficult for the liver to dispose of the excess, and then the excess estrogen gets stored in the form of fluid retention and fat! estrogen is the FAT hormone! (so is insulin, but that's a whole other story!)

that's why your breasts will be getting larger and tender, estrogen will get stored in breast/fat tissue... i don't want to alarm anyone, but excess estrogen has been linked to breast cancer -- but this does take many, many years to cause it...

women with PCOS on the other hand are usually producing too much testosterone and little to no estrogen... natural progesterone cream (prescribed by endo/ob-gyn after blood-work) is fantastic at rebalancing this and can also help women to get pregnant who are having problems conceiving...

this is also why Vitex works well for various hormonal problems - it tells the pituarty gland to produce more progesterone -- but be careful with contraception - Vitex also makes you more fertile!!! biggrin.gif Vitex is the one hormone affecting herb that is relatively safe to take without supervision from a medic. But still preferably check with a naturopath, doctor, endo, etc, first to see if you do really need it...

But I don't it's a good idea to take Saw Palmetto supplements unless they have been prescribed by a naturopath or endo... go have the blood-work done, then see if you need them... some herbs shouldn't be so readily available, they should be prescribed...

If Saw Palmetto is working for you/your skin, that is great -- but still get everything checked out first... you don't want to have great skin now, and be infertile by the time you want to conceive or have a stuffed liver, become obese, or worse still have some type of cancer that is caused by hormonal imbalance (breast, ovarian, etc - a woman dies of ovarian cancer every 10 hours!!!).

So please, I don't want to alarm anyone, but just have the blood-work done - the money for that is a wise investment! It's the cost of a few good skincare products/cosmetics or a few months supply of supplements...

Sorry I type so much in my posts... I type real fast and I'm an information junkie! biggrin.gif

Whenever I see my naturopath (she specialises in womens health/hormones) she always comments that I am wasting my money seeing her (and she is degree qualified, an ND (Naturopathic Doctor) - she says there is nothing she can tell me because I know it all inside out... I just check with her first before adding anything to my supplement regime and have consulted with her prior to seeing the endo, taken the results of my blood-work to her, etc...

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Posted 05 October 2005 - 01:43 PM

What about guys taking saw palmetto?,i've been taking 360mg every day for about a week now and im only 17.

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Posted 05 October 2005 - 01:50 PM

Try using herbs. Saw palmetto can help balance boys' hormones, while chaste tree berry can do the same for girls. Echinacea, alfalfa, burdock root, cayenne, chaparral and yellow dock root are also helpful.--http://www.ehow.com/how_2193_reduce-acne-naturally.html

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Posted 05 October 2005 - 01:56 PM

QUOTE(katgirl @ Oct 5 2005, 06:21 AM)
When it comes to hormone altering herbal treatments, i wouldn't go self diagnosing and treating...  go see a naturopath and an endocrinologist first...  get the endo to do your blood-work because unless you need to alter your hormones, these type of herbs can be detrimental and cause imbalances which will be even harder to correct...

if you think your estrogen is low (or any other hormone is out of whack, it may not be estrogen, it may be that you're not producing enough progesterone), then get the endo to confirm this...  symtoms alone are not a good measure.

if you take estrogen altering/increasing herbs and you don't need to, you could damage your liver! estrogen becomes very difficult for the liver to dispose of the excess, and then the excess estrogen gets stored in the form of fluid retention and fat! estrogen is the FAT hormone! (so is insulin, but that's a whole other story!)

that's why your breasts will be getting larger and tender, estrogen will get stored in breast/fat tissue...  i don't want to alarm anyone, but excess estrogen has been linked to breast cancer -- but this does take many, many years to cause it...

women with PCOS on the other hand are usually producing too much testosterone and little to no estrogen...  natural progesterone cream (prescribed by endo/ob-gyn after blood-work) is fantastic at rebalancing this and can also help women to get pregnant who are having problems conceiving...

this is also why Vitex works well for various hormonal problems - it tells the pituarty gland to produce more progesterone -- but be careful with contraception - Vitex also makes you more fertile!!!    biggrin.gif    Vitex is the one hormone affecting herb that is relatively safe to take without supervision from a medic.  But still preferably check with a naturopath, doctor, endo, etc, first to see if you do really need it...

But I don't it's a good idea to take Saw Palmetto supplements unless they have been prescribed by a naturopath or endo...  go have the blood-work done, then see if you need them...  some herbs shouldn't be so readily available, they should be prescribed...

If Saw Palmetto is working for you/your skin, that is great -- but still get everything checked out first...  you don't want to have great skin now, and be infertile by the time you want to conceive or have a stuffed liver, become obese, or worse still have some type of cancer that is caused by hormonal imbalance (breast, ovarian, etc - a woman dies of ovarian cancer every 10 hours!!!).

So please, I don't want to alarm anyone, but just have the blood-work done - the money for that is a wise investment!  It's the cost of a few good skincare products/cosmetics or a few months supply of supplements...

Sorry I type so much in my posts...  I type real fast and I'm an information junkie!  biggrin.gif

Whenever I see my naturopath (she specialises in womens health/hormones) she always comments that I am wasting my money seeing her (and she is degree qualified, an ND (Naturopathic Doctor) - she says there is nothing she can tell me because I know it all inside out...  I just check with her first before adding anything to my supplement regime and have consulted with her prior to seeing the endo, taken the results of my blood-work to her, etc...

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Thanks for the info...it helped alot, maybe i should go to an endocrinologist before i continue this herb. But i do think it is helping my skin which is good and i really dont want to stop using it but if you think its a bad idea then i'll take it seriously

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Posted 05 October 2005 - 08:56 PM

Maybe see a naturopath first, because they are cheaper than endo's -- but i really recommend seeing an endo for anything hormone related. The blood-work really tells you EXACTLY what is going on...

GP's don't usually have any clue when it comes to female hormones, especially male doctors -- they just say "here take the Pill"... which can often make matters worse, and cause other dramas down the track when you're older...

I don't know about there, but here in Australia, GNC usually have naturopaths in-store... But sometimes i wonder if they do care about what they are saying/selling or if it's just about making a sale...

The Pill - what a drama - in my 20's i was put on Diane - cleared up my skin but i put on 5 kilos! Now after having 1 child if I ever try to take the Pill, Diane, Yasmin, Marvalon, etc, they just drive my hormones nuts, give me breakouts, severe PMS.... AAAGGGHHH !!! biggrin.gif

Vitex worked well for me until i became immuned to it! Echinacea helped for a while, Cat's Claw helped for a while, but I seem to become immuned to these things....

For guys Saw Palmetto is different -- if your acne is caused by excess testosterone it should help, but again consult a professional because you don't wanna take something that is gonna cause you problems down the track or make you grow MAN BOOBIES! wink.gif People will call you a Girlie Man!

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Posted 06 October 2005 - 02:09 AM

[QUOTE]Dreame123
Does Saw Palmetto effect a woman's period?

I have been taking it for a little over a week and i havent broken out at all and my skin looks pretty clear besides a few pimples and my oily skin (i'm also using Klaron and Natures cure bp which are really helping and yesterday i just started Natures cure pills for women). I was supposed to get my period about 4 days ago and i havent gotten it wacko.gif . I'm wondering if the saw palmetto is the reason?[QUOTE]


I started taking Saw Palmetto (3000mg) a few weeks ago and my periods have noticeably decreased this time! Prior to that I was on Vitex 2g/day, 4 capsules Evening Primrose oil and 1 Tbs Flaxseed Oil and that seemd to make it heavier eusa_think.gif I am now on 1g of Vitex and 4 capsules of EPO but have run out of the flaxseed. But the difference between this month and last month is quite astounding. Haven't noticed the "other" side effect yet with the Saw Palmetto but certainly did when I started Vitex, EPO and Flaxseed oil.

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Posted 06 October 2005 - 03:38 AM

Natural alternatives usually take 2-3 months to settle down before you know if it is working for you or not...

As for the Vitex, EPO and Flaxseed making things heavier, that could indicate that your progesterone or testosterone may be imbalanced.... that's weird, because normally excess estrogen will make periods heavier and longer, and progesterone and testosterone will make them lighter...

Blood-work testing your hormones is really the only accurate way to really know what is going on... Your regular family doctor should be able to request those blood tests instead of going to an endo... but still an endo (or ob/gyn) is the best person to decipher the information from the blood-work...

Last year I thought about trying Saw Palmetto but thought twice about it, thinking i'd best leave it to a professional to prescribe...

One very unfortunate thing for women who have estrogen issues is that if they add too much progestorone to testosterone, the body can convert both of those to estrogen anyway and it causes further imbalances... that's why it's just better to have an expert diagnose and prescribe...

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Posted 06 October 2005 - 04:24 PM

the problem with this stuff is that for women it may cause an increase in the quantity of periods u have. i have tried spiro and have tried b6 at two separate times and both for a few months and both pills caused me to get my period at least 2x's maybe 3 per month. that is pretty often. so right now i am experimenting with just taking stuff right before that time of the month during PMS to prevent symptoms and help with the acne flare up at that time. i am taking b6 b5 b12 and chasteberry. i think i will stop when i get my period so i'll be taking this stuff for about a week.

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Posted 07 October 2005 - 08:29 AM

QUOTE(gymrat7676 @ Oct 6 2005, 02:24 PM)
the problem with this stuff is that for women it may cause an increase in the quantity of periods u have.  i have tried spiro and have tried b6 at two separate times and both for a few months and both pills caused me to get my period at least 2x's maybe 3 per month.  that is pretty often.  so right now i am experimenting with just taking stuff right before that time of the month during PMS to prevent symptoms and help with the acne flare up at that time.  i am taking b6 b5 b12 and chasteberry.  i think i will stop when i get my period so i'll be taking this stuff for about a week.

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My period has decreased...i havent gotten in in 7 days shock.gif ...I dont know what is going on...so I have to stop taking them even though i think they were keeping my breakouts away sad.gif

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Posted 07 October 2005 - 10:09 AM

I'm wondering if saw palmetto would effect bodybuilding

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Posted 07 October 2005 - 04:36 PM

How long should one be taking the vitex before it will start having some positive effects? Nothing negative so far..but Ive only been taking it a couple weeks and it says on the bottle it might take a long time to work..

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Posted 07 October 2005 - 05:01 PM

When I first started taking Vitex it seemed to take about 2 months to kick in and worked pretty well for about 12 months, but then i seemed to get immuned to it, so i have a break for 2-3 months, then go back to it...

I take it to relieve PMS, but in the last few months I found upping my calcium intake worked quite well... before i only took 1 calcium tab a day, but the bottle says take up to 4 a day, so i tried this, and hey presto, it helped with my PMS! But now I only take 3-4 calcium for those scary weeks of my cycle and only take 2 tabs the rest of the month because too much calcium (esp in supplement form) aint good for your kidneys... but you have to make sure it is a total calcium supplement - has the correct ratio of D3, magnesium, boron, etc... and you have to stagger your calcium intake - don't take them all at once, like one in the afternoon, one after dinner, one for bed, etc...

see, if i have my PMS stabilised, then that helps keep those dreaded monthly zits at bay! wink.gif

yeah, i dunno about effects on guys for body building -- for guys it is meant to help protect against prostate disorders and impotence! it's an immune system booster and may help curb inflamation and reduce tissue swelling...

but for girls, cat's claw does this just as effectively (immune booster and curbs inflamation and tissue swelling)...