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#1 adultAcne

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Posted 20 March 2005 - 04:37 AM

Well, it wasn't that bad. The Epsom salt potion wasn't so bad since I coated my mouth with a small drop of pancake syrup beforehand and then chased it with water. I did cheat a little and only drank 1/2 cup each time instead of 3/4. I did the Hulda Clark flush and added 5 days of apple juice AND malic acid. Also, I used lemon juice instead of grapefruit. I woke up around 2am, not really naseated, just a little woosy and ansy; nothing major at all.

I passed about 25-30 small stones exactly like these. The biggest one was about 1/4 inch dia.

However, I'm still wondering if these are actual stones and not just some of that "sludge" that is also talked about, but I've yet to see any pictures of. Doing a google search, I can't find any gallstone pics from hostiptals or medical groups that show these kind of stones.

My stones were soft and extreemly waxy. One site said that cholesterol is a waxy substance, so that jibes. So, "stone" is sort of a misnomer, as one site said. They don't "crush" in your fingers; they squish. The are more like wax balls, but I guess the term gallballs sounds too silly wink.gif Anyway, as waxy as they were, I guess they are cholesterol "stones". And, olive oil contains no cholesterol; cholesterol only comes from animal fats/oils. So, it seems as though these stones aren't artifacts of the flushing ingredients... i.e., congealled olive oil. But, until I see some pics of these kinds of stones from a medical establishment (for verification sake), I'll just assume this is something else, like sludge.

But, still, I'll prolly do a few more later just for the hell of it.


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Posted 20 March 2005 - 09:43 AM

QUOTE(adultAcne @ Mar 20 2005, 10:37 AM)
Well, it wasn't that bad.  The Epsom salt potion wasn't so bad since I coated my mouth with a small drop of pancake syrup beforehand and then chased it with water.  I did cheat a little and only drank 1/2 cup each time instead of 3/4.  I did the Hulda Clark flush and added 5 days of apple juice AND malic acid.  Also, I used lemon juice instead of grapefruit.  I woke up around 2am, not really naseated, just a little woosy and ansy; nothing major at all.

I passed about 25-30 small stones exactly like these.  The biggest one was about 1/4 inch dia.

However, I'm still wondering if these are actual stones and not just some of that "sludge" that is also talked about, but I've yet to see any pictures of.  Doing a google search, I can't find any gallstone pics from hostiptals or medical groups that show these kind of stones. 

My stones were soft and extreemly waxy.  One site said that cholesterol is a waxy substance, so that jibes.  So, "stone" is sort of a misnomer, as one site said.  They don't "crush" in your fingers; they squish.  The are more like wax balls, but I guess the term gallballs sounds too silly wink.gif  Anyway, as waxy as they were, I guess they are cholesterol "stones".  And, olive oil contains no cholesterol; cholesterol only comes from animal fats/oils.  So, it seems as though these stones aren't artifacts of the flushing ingredients... i.e., congealled olive oil.  But, until I see some pics of these kinds of stones from a medical establishment (for verification sake), I'll just assume this is something else, like sludge. 

But, still, I'll prolly do a few more later just for the hell of it.

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Posted 20 March 2005 - 09:52 AM

Here are some autopsied gallbladder pics:

http://www.curezone.....asp?f=476&i=55

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Posted 20 March 2005 - 09:53 AM

Also....PLEASE....do an enema so you don't break out. You guys really have to remember how important that is. Or you risk breaking out like crazy.

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Posted 20 March 2005 - 09:56 AM

Here is the composition of "stones":

What are gallstones composed of?

Most gallstones and most stones formed inside bile ducts are mainly composed of cholesterol - "Cholesterol based" stones.

Most stones that people get out with liver flush are formed inside bile ducts, inside liver, and most of those stones are "Cholesterol based".

Cholesterol is a pearly-white, waxy substance. It is semi-solid.
Cholesterol can not be dissolved in water, but it can be easily dissolved in alcohol.

"Cholesterol based" doesn't mean 100% cholesterol.

All gallstones contain variable amounts of bile pigments!
Some stones contain proteins!


Even stone that contain 95% or 70% cholesterol is still "Cholesterol based"
Other 5% or 30% can be bile pigments & proteins.


No gallstone is 100% cholesterol.
There is no 100% clean substance in nature!

Stone may contain protein (mucoprotein), and those stones are usually very hard. Only protein stones and stones containing a lot of calcium carbonate are hard stones.
Be aware that hard stones are rare, less then one out of 100 stones is hard enough that ut can't be crushed with fingers.
And, most of those "hard" stones are not calcified, instead, they contain a lot of protein that makes them very hard, just like our nails are very hard thanks to strong protein.



Mucoprotein DEFINITION:
A covalently linked conjugate of protein and polysaccharide, the latter containing many hexosamine residues and constituting approximately 4 to 30 percent of the weight of the compound; mucoproteins occur mainly in mucous secretions. (Mucoprotein is secreted by the inner lining of the gallbladder, also known as the epithelium)

Stones containing proteins are almost only formed inside gallbladder!

There is at least a little bit of bilirubin (yellow/red/brown) or Biliverdin (green/blue/black) inside of every stone. That is the reason why cholesterol stones are not white, but may be of any color.
The same is true for every other stone. Most stones are green, and that means that they contain some Biliverdin (blood pigment).

Those 7 colors: white, yellow/red/brown, green/blue/black can produce any other color.


Common Bile Pigments:

Bilirubin (linear tetrapyrrole)
color: yellow/red/brown.
Source: liver


Biliverdin (linear tetrapyrrole)
color: green/blue/black
Source: oxidation of bilirubin


References:
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http://www.medbroadc...nes/index.shtml


"Gallstones are classified as cholesterol stones, calcium bilirubinate stones (pigment stones) and calcium carbonate stones, which are extremely rare. Pure stones, however, are almost never found. All gallstones contain variable amounts of bile pigments, cholesterol, calcium carbonate, and apatite, and their core usually consists of bile pigments or mucoprotein, which is secreted by the inner lining of the gallbladder, also known as the epithelium. "


CHOLESTEROL STONES
http://www.medbroadc...nes/index.shtml
The basis of the common cholesterol stone appears to be a precipitation of cholesterol that cannot be absorbed into solution. Cholesterol, which is insoluble in water, is carried in solution in the bile. People with cholesterol stones sometimes secrete a bile that is saturated or supersaturated with cholesterol. The bile secreted in the liver is abnormal in patients with cholesterol stones. These patients have a reduced bile salt pool and it seems
that the defect is a lack of bile salts rather than excessive cholesterol. Gallstones are also a common accompaniment of cirrhosis, as there is often a reduction in the bile salt pool and a decrease in the bile salt content of the bile.


The gallbladder really plays a secondary part in allowing the cholesterol crystals to form a stone. Stones can form in the bile ducts in people who have had their gallbladders removed (cholecystectomy), which proves that the gallbladder is not essential for stone production, however, this situation is really quite rare. There may also be dietary and genetic factors in cholesterol stone formation, as cholesterol stones are far more common in European and Western cultures, than in Oriental groups.




PIGMENT STONES
Pigment stones seem to beget stones. For instance, a gallbladder that has a stone can become obstructed and cause inflammation, which in turn causes more gallstones. Pigment stones consist of variable quantities of cholesterol, calcium bilirubinate, and calcium carbonate and produce a predominantly brown colour. These mixed stones are typically found in groups multiple, and form around organisms and inflammatory debris.




AHA Scientific Position
http://www.americanh...identifier=4488
Cholesterol is a soft, waxy substance found among the lipids (fats) in the bloodstream and in all your body's cells.




What is cholesterol?
http://archives.obs-...ks/pg/pg173.htm
Cholesterol is a pearly-white, waxy substance found in animal fats and oils. It is found throughout the body but is produced primarily by the liver. Cholesterol circulates in the blood, commonly in association with other saturated and unsaturated fats, and can be either beneficial or harmful. For instance, it is necessary for making cell membranes and many important hormones. However, cholesterol may also form gallstones and harmful deposits in blood vessels.



http://www.gicare.co...ted/edtot24.htm
Over the years, a hardened, waxy substance called cholesterol plaque builds up on the artery walls, and reduces or blocks blood flow. Organs supplied by these arteries then become damaged because they cannot get the oxygen and nutrients they need. For example, when blood flow to the brain is blocked, a stroke occurs. When plaque completely blocks a coronary artery, a heart attack takes
place.



http://www.preventio...45,1198,00.html
"In addition to helping your bones, calcium has a good effect on bile acid metabolism," explains Dr. Hofmann. "What has been found is that large doses of oral calcium form calcium phosphate in the gut." This sets off a chain of chemical events that eventually lowers the amount of cholesterol in the gallbladder, thus reducing the possibility that gallstones will form, he explains.


It also seems to explain why a study of 872 Dutchmen between the ages of 40 and 59 found that the more calcium the men consumed over a 25-year period, the fewer gallstones they were likely to have.


In fact, one study in the Netherlands revealed that men who had more than 1,442 milligrams of calcium in their diets every day had a 50 percent lower prevalence of gallstones.


"Since most individuals have stopped drinking much milk by the time they're 45 years old, it makes good sense to take calcium supplements," says Dr. Hofmann. Nonetheless, the view that large doses of supplemental calcium can prevent gallstones has not yet been tested experimentally. Normal doses of calcium do not increase the risk of kidney stones, however, and are likely to be good for
both bones and bile. Studies are needed to prove this point as well as to prove that there are no important risks associated with long-term use of oral calcium supplements, says Dr. Hofman.


Experts who recommend calcium to help prevent gallstones suggest aiming for the Daily Value, which is 1,000 milligrams. But before you race out to the drugstore, Dr. Pitt suggests that you take a moment to check with your physician, especially if you're a woman.


"Calcium may have something to do with the origin of most of the gallstones in this country," says Dr. Pitt. "It's at the center of almost every stone we find. And in our animal studies, diets with high calcium seem to enhance the formation of pigment stones," the stones made of bilirubin.


And keep in mind all of the hormonal factors that affect women, says Dr. Pitt. It may turn out that calcium prevents gallstones in men but actually contributes to their formation in women.


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Posted 20 March 2005 - 09:56 PM

Denise, thanks for the link to the pics and all the info. I guess I missed those pics on curezone. It was the green lumpy ones that I was looking for. So, I guess I'm a believer now. And the extreme waxiness of them really got my attention. No wonder having this stuff lining your artery walls is so bad. Regular soap doesn't even dissolve them... tough stuff.

You know what is interesting about looking at all those pics, as well as the others on curezone, is that I noticed that all the pics of the gallbladders along with their stones only have one type of stone. I haven't seen any with an assortment of different kinds of stones. So, it seems like everyone, either through diet or biology, is predisposed to a particular kind of stone formation. Have you heard of this or thought of this yourself? If that is accurate, then it would seem to be good news for me since I have those relatively small soft kind, then maybe I can rest assured that I don't have any of those monstrous hard kind (which are supposedly rare anyways)... whew!
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Posted 21 March 2005 - 06:10 AM

QUOTE(Denise2 @ Mar 20 2005, 08:53 AM)
Also....PLEASE....do an enema so you don't break out.  You guys really have to remember how important that is.  Or you risk breaking out like crazy.

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Hi Denise2

what's an enema? eusa_think.gif could you please explain it to me? Thx!

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Posted 21 March 2005 - 08:11 AM

QUOTE(syke @ Mar 21 2005, 12:10 PM)
Hi Denise2

what's an enema?  eusa_think.gif  could you please explain it to me? Thx!

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It is when something (like a bag for an example) is filled with water or coffee, and you insert a faucet-like thing into your anus and let the stuff flow into it, so it can clean it out.

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Posted 21 March 2005 - 09:13 AM

Hi im new to this, but how do u do a liver-flush? Could u please make a guide line through it?

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Posted 29 March 2005 - 08:11 PM

Well, the flush didn't really help my cystic acne. It's actually worse, but it could be from the testosterone boosting herbs i was taking for my workouts. So, I'm cutting way back on that stuff.

Side note: since the flush, i also switched to organic meats, eggs, and butter and cut out milk entirely. Still got bad cystic acne. I bet it's the andro herbs. It got really bad, so I took a bunch of liver cleansing herbs to help clean-up whatever is causing all this. Man, what a pain.

Oh, and I was also taking some candida cleansing tincture at the time too. Maybe that was causing some acne. <sigh> who knows, but I cut that stuff out.
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Posted 29 March 2005 - 08:26 PM

where exactly do these stones come out of??
I cant wait till the day when I never have to visit this site again.

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Posted 29 March 2005 - 08:56 PM

QUOTE(Illegal Life @ Mar 30 2005, 02:26 AM)
where exactly do these stones come out of??

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my exact question. do u pee it out? cuz those look very painful my pee hole is tiny. those are huge.

so doing this will make u breakout? i thought it was supposed to be good for ya.

how do u do an enema?

what do u have to buy?
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Posted 30 March 2005 - 01:09 PM

[quote=yme,Mar 30 2005, 02:56 AM]
my exact question. do u pee it out? cuz those look very painful my pee hole is tiny. those are huge.

so doing this will make u breakout? i thought it was supposed to be good for ya.


Are you serious? You could'nt pee those things out if you tried, mainly cos it would be anatomically impossible!!! The gall bladder which is the organ that contains the stones (hence the name 'gallstones') is nowhere near and absolutely nothing to do with the urinary tract which is essentially what ends up as your pee hole. The gall bladders' function in the body is the metabolism of insoluble fats that have been eaten e.g. the butter you spread on your bread or the crispy bacon rind (yum!) that was part of your bacon sarnie. The gallbladder produces a green liquid knoow as bile wich is basically a mixxture of salts which make the fat particles clump together and aid in their digestion by other digestive enzymes. Therefore, the gallbladder is part of the whole digestive process and as such the stones are meant to be eliminated (whether they are actually gallstones comin out is a whole other argument - check out the thred on Leo Kiesens acne cure...should explain everything) through the alimentary canal ie you poo the suckers out!
Hope that answers your question, a little on the long side I know, but you sounded like you needed a biology lesson!!! biggrin.gif

Oh, and it is good for ya, especially if you do a number of them. The reason you might break out is cos you are releasing a lot of accumulated toxins from years of livin in a tooxic environment and eating crap food, so these toxins can come out through your skin and cause erruptions.By the sounds of it, doing an enema will prevent this from happening as it will flush out the toxins released from your liver and bowel before they get a chance to be reabsorbed and reach your skin. The key is to do the flushes consistently over time, in conjunction with eatin a healthy diet to improve overall health and banish acne for good!

I am not an expert on the whole liver cleansing, liver building thing, and I am not sure exactly which herbs an stuff you need, but if you do want to inform yourself, read the thread I mentioned above - there is alot of info there that might jus make your head spin a bit, but it is worth it....peace an love!!