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Posted 02 February 2005 - 07:17 PM

Let me know about your experiences.
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Posted 02 February 2005 - 07:40 PM

hey you didnt say anything in ur post???

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Posted 02 February 2005 - 08:46 PM

I AM LOOKING FOR THE BEST NATURAL DHT BLOCKERS.
I HOPE EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND NOW.

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Posted 05 February 2005 - 10:07 AM

QUOTE(2005 @ Feb 3 2005, 02:46 AM)
I AM LOOKING FOR THE BEST NATURAL DHT BLOCKERS.
I HOPE EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND NOW.

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I use Source Naturals Beta Sitsoterol 375 mg/night. This is a substrate of saw palmetto. If you are male I recommend using beta sitosterol as I believe it has less adverse effects on male errection which saw palmetto can have. How ever saw palemtto is cheaper.
These are just 2 that come to my mind.

Oh I use this for hair loss. I have no little acne now so I am not sure how it works for that.

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Posted 05 February 2005 - 04:30 PM

QUOTE(Shyana @ Feb 5 2005, 09:07 AM)
I use Source Naturals  Beta Sitsoterol 375 mg/night. This is a substrate of saw palmetto. If you are male I recommend using beta sitosterol as I believe it has less adverse effects on male errection  which saw palmetto can have. How ever saw palemtto is cheaper.
These are just 2 that come to my mind.

Oh I use this for hair loss. I have no little acne now so I am not sure how it works for that.

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Hey there =)

I've got a bottle of this stuff, but hear so little about it around here and on PCOS boards. I want to use it for hairloss and hirsutism, but the scientific studies aren't exactly specifying whether it can do this for me or not. If it binds to the androgen receptor, than that's all I need it to do though. So, how much has this helped you regarding hairloss.

Thanks
These are not steps, but stages some people progress through when going from conventional to holistic medicine. Stage 2 is how I became 99%+ Clear, eliminated my dysmennorhea, significantly reduced my sebum & pore size, etc & is my predominant method.

Stage 1 (Treatment):
* (Daily) Isocare Skin Control Cleanser, Dream Products Customized Natural Face Lotion & Coppertone Sport Spray Sunscreen (mixed)
* (Sporadically) spot treat w/ anti-inflammatory (neosporin, hydrocortisone, salicylic acid) or a skin lightener (post-inflammatory pigmentation) to treat stubborn cystic/nodular acne that appears due to unknowingly or knowingly ingesting a food/ingredient that breaks me out (I do my best to avoid these foods). If you cover treated area w/ a bandaid, it makes product more effective.

Stage 2 (Prevention): "cheapest" method ~ Since Aug. 2002
* Follow a Gluten-Free, Trans-Fat Free, Dairy-Free and No Added Sugar diet for my Insulin Resistance/Hyperandrogenism (Silent Chronic Inflammatory Syndrome)
* Avoid ALL types of nuts and the Genus Prunus (almonds, plums, peaches, nectarines, apricots, cherries), Bananas, Pineapples, Cottonseed oil, Artificial Sweetners.

Stage 3 (Correction):
* 1/18/08 Ultimate Colon Cleanse (30 day program)

Research:
* Developing functional foods for those with acne & other special needs (assuming there's a defficiency).
* Developing good & "safe" formulas for various hormonal issues for women. Correction stage may resolve this for some.

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Posted 05 February 2005 - 05:16 PM

QUOTE(2005 @ Feb 2 2005, 09:46 PM)
I AM LOOKING FOR THE BEST NATURAL DHT BLOCKERS.
I HOPE EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND NOW.

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hahahaahhaha...hahahaha

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Posted 05 February 2005 - 07:12 PM

QUOTE(SweetJade1980 @ Feb 5 2005, 10:30 PM)
Hey there  =)

I've got a bottle of this stuff, but hear so little about it around here and on PCOS boards.  I want to use it for hairloss and hirsutism, but the scientific studies aren't exactly specifying whether it can do this for me or not.  If it binds to the androgen receptor, than that's all I need it to do though.  So, how much has this helped you regarding hairloss.

Thanks

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Well my hairloss is menopausal related so this with the Twin Labs Hair Vitamins and MSM 3000mg/day has completely restored my hair. I had severe hair loss and nearing complete baldness in my temples and crown. I was getting facial hair under the chin and upper lip and this is gone. So I can not tell for sure if this is what you are looking for. It is a possible DHT blocker in the hair follicle but the studies are not there as you know. But it has been a wonder for me.
Biotin in the hair vitamins will grow body hair I am told, but I have little body hair anyway so I have not noticed this. One thing I did notice that when I don't take the beta sitosterol my scalp itches, when I take it it stops. Itching and tender scalps are said to be a build up up DHT. Well when I begin itching I notice more hair loss. Just thought I would add that. So I do think for me it works. As you know menopause hair loss is androgen related. I have been doing this for 2 years.
My hair has never been this healthy.

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Posted 05 February 2005 - 07:58 PM

Equol. The best thing they have without the negative side effects of Palmetto.

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Posted 05 February 2005 - 08:56 PM

Shyana how much beta sitosterol do you take.
Which brand are you using.


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Posted 06 February 2005 - 10:37 AM

QUOTE(blackbirdbeatle @ Feb 6 2005, 01:58 AM)
Equol. The best thing they have without the negative side effects of Palmetto.

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Wow never heard of this. I love this forum. Thanks blackbirdbeatle!

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Posted 06 February 2005 - 10:39 AM

QUOTE(2005 @ Feb 6 2005, 02:56 AM)
Shyana how much beta sitosterol do you take.
Which brand are you using.

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Source Naturals Beta Sitosterol 375mg/night

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Posted 06 February 2005 - 02:27 PM

TRUE OR FALSE???

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Beta-Sistosterol - Blocks the formation of DHT - Blocks DHT
from the androgen receptors sites found on the hair follicles -
Promotes healthy prostrate function.

Biotin - Blocks DHT

Copper - Balances zinc - Essential for hair color pigment.
Folate - Helps maintain healthy hair and skin.

Niacinamide - Blocks DHT.

Omega-3 Essential Fatty Acids - Inhibit 5-Alpha Reductase
(DHT)

Paba - Protects hair follicles - Restores gray hair back to It's
natural color.

Pumpkin Seed Oil - Breaks down dihydrotestosterone via
the liver - Inhibits 5-Alpha Reductase (DHT).

Lycopene - Anti-oxidant - Helps prevent hair loss - Promotes
healthy prostrate function.

Saw Palmetto - Blocks the formation of DHT - Blocks DHT
from the androgen receptors sites found on the hair follicles.
Promotes healthy prostrate function.

Selenium - Enhances healthy hair growth.

Vitamin E - Anti-oxidant - Helps keep skin tissue younger -
Prevents aging of the hair follicle - Delays graying.

Zinc - Reduces the activity  of  5-Alpha Reductase - Bene-
ficial for brittle thinning hair - Blocks DHT - Promotes healthy
prostrate function.

Large amounts of Vitamins B1, B2, B5, B6, & B12 - Protein
builders - Give hair shine - Stimulates hair growth by bring-
ing oxygen to skin tissue - Support growth of red blood cells -
Prevent dandruff - Enhance circulation to the scalp.

"DHT Blockers" also contain other vitamins and minerals that
promote healthy hair growth. Hair loss prevention. http://www.dhtblockers.com/


Some of these I'm aware of but others I haven't investigated or haven't found such information as of yet.

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Active Ingredients
The active ingredients of Revivogen® are natural compounds proven to inhibit 5-Alpha-Reductase (the enzyme that produces DHT), block the androgen receptors and stimulate hair growth. These active ingredients include Gamma Linolenic acid (GLA), Alpha Linolenic acid (ALA), Linoleic Acid, Oleic Acid, Azaleic acid, Vitamin B6, Zinc, Saw Palmetto Extract, Beta-Sitosterol and Procyanidin Oligomers. Revivogen® is the only product that contains these ingredients in one easy to use topical formula..

GLA, ALA,  Linoleic Acid and Oleic Acid
Gamma Linolenic Acid (GLA), Alpha Linolenic Acid (ALA),  Linoleic and Oleic Acid are essential fatty acids found in plant oils. These fatty acids have been individually proven to inhibit 5-Alpha Reductase. In fact these are the most powerful inhibitors of 5-Alpha Reductase known today and not only they inhibit the Type II form of the 5-Alpha Reductase which other products like Propecia├é┬« inhibit, but also the Type I form of the enzyme which is present in high concentrations in the scalp, sebaceous glands, and the skin. Additionally GLA, ALA and Oleic acid have potent anti-inflammatory properties. Publications

Azelaic Acid, Vitamin B6 and Zinc
Azelaic acid is a naturally occurring dicarboxylic acid found in whole grain cereals, rye, and barley and animal products. It is FDA approved as a topical preparation for treatment of acne and is effective against a number of other skin conditions when applied topically. There is strong scientific evidence that Azelaic Acid and Zinc are potent inhibitors of 5-Alpha-Reductase. When Azelaic acid, Vitamin B6 and Zinc Sulfate where added together at very low concentrations, 90% inhibition of 5 Alpha-Reductase activity was obtained. The synergistic activity of these compounds against 5-Alpha-Reductase makes this combination very effective in treatment of male pattern baldness.

By combining GLA, ALA, Linoleic Acid, Azelaic acid, Vitamin B6, Zinc Sulfate and Saw Palmetto extract, we have created a natural yet extremely powerful anti-DHT formula. These ingredients work through different mechanisms to synergistically inhibit both type 1 and 2 forms of 5-Alpha Reductase and decrease DHT locally. By decreasing the DHT levels, hair follicles can grow and thicken naturally, leading to a fuller, healthier scalp without the side effects associated with synthetic drugs.  Publications

Saw Palmetto Extract
Saw palmetto has been extensively studied over the past several years for the treatment of enlarged prostate in men ( BPH ). Saw Palmetto extract which is a known anti-androgen is the liposerolic extract of the fruit of Saw Palmetto.

Saw Palmetto has shown to effectively block the formation of DHT and is also believed to block the androgen receptors which are found on the hair follicles. Like GLA and ALA it also blocks Type 1 and Type 2 forms of 5 alpha-reductase and has shown to be more potent than Finasteride, the active ingredient of Propecia. Publications

Procyanidin Oligomers
Procyanidin Oligomers (also known as Proanthocyanidin) are naturally derived ingredients that have shown to stimulate hair growth similarly to Minoxidil (Rogaine®). Recent studies by Japanese scientists have shown that Procyanidin Oligomers possess growth stimulation activity toward hair epithelial cells in vitro and stimulate anagen induction in hair follicles in vivo. Addition of Procyanidin Oligomers to Revivogen is intended to increase the hair growth stimulation properties of the formula Publications

http://www.revivogen...arch/index.html


Still no mention of why they used Beta Sitosterol. =/ I'm just curious as to whether it is an androgen receptor blocker (like Spironolactone, Cyproterone, or Flutamide) or a 5-alpha reductase inhibitor (like Zinc, B6 or drugs like Duatsteride or Finesteride) which the studies don't clarify. Some studes mention it has anti-androgen abilities and other studies have shown that it increases your steriod hormones (progesterone, estrogen, & androgen) which is also an indicator of certain anti-androgens (cuz they aren't converting to DHT the other hormones rise).

The thing with the drugs though, is that they have produced 50/50 results in clearing or GIVING people acne which I want to avoid. The thing with the Zinc & B6 is that they aren't just 5-alpha inhibitors but also anti-androgens (like spiro) and zinc is also an anti-inflammatory, which may explain why they are less likely to result in an increase in acne compared to 5-alpha reductase inhibitors.

Of course the best thing to use would be Equol but we can't use that right now. =( Anyway, here's another thread where I've listed other possibilites, as well as some members results to those: http://www.acne.org/...opic=30721&st=0
These are not steps, but stages some people progress through when going from conventional to holistic medicine. Stage 2 is how I became 99%+ Clear, eliminated my dysmennorhea, significantly reduced my sebum & pore size, etc & is my predominant method.

Stage 1 (Treatment):
* (Daily) Isocare Skin Control Cleanser, Dream Products Customized Natural Face Lotion & Coppertone Sport Spray Sunscreen (mixed)
* (Sporadically) spot treat w/ anti-inflammatory (neosporin, hydrocortisone, salicylic acid) or a skin lightener (post-inflammatory pigmentation) to treat stubborn cystic/nodular acne that appears due to unknowingly or knowingly ingesting a food/ingredient that breaks me out (I do my best to avoid these foods). If you cover treated area w/ a bandaid, it makes product more effective.

Stage 2 (Prevention): "cheapest" method ~ Since Aug. 2002
* Follow a Gluten-Free, Trans-Fat Free, Dairy-Free and No Added Sugar diet for my Insulin Resistance/Hyperandrogenism (Silent Chronic Inflammatory Syndrome)
* Avoid ALL types of nuts and the Genus Prunus (almonds, plums, peaches, nectarines, apricots, cherries), Bananas, Pineapples, Cottonseed oil, Artificial Sweetners.

Stage 3 (Correction):
* 1/18/08 Ultimate Colon Cleanse (30 day program)

Research:
* Developing functional foods for those with acne & other special needs (assuming there's a defficiency).
* Developing good & "safe" formulas for various hormonal issues for women. Correction stage may resolve this for some.

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Posted 06 February 2005 - 03:33 PM

I just put Equol out there because it's in the process of being commercialized. As much people obsess over acne, those balding people are much, much worse and when they want a product to get to the market, they usually get it quickly.

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Posted 06 February 2005 - 07:21 PM

Sweetjade thank you for the info.
How is beta sitosterol working for you?

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Posted 06 February 2005 - 07:43 PM

Jade, have you tried this:http://www.bgsales.com/health/ultimate-acne-lotion.html

As far as normalizing keratization goes, I've heard nothing but good thigns about NDGA. Plus it has emu, boswellic, arnica,etc.... and Oleanolic Acid to regulate sebum. I e-mailed them for a full ingredient list and will post it up when I get a reply.



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Posted 07 February 2005 - 12:56 AM

QUOTE(blackbirdbeatle @ Feb 5 2005, 08:58 PM)
Equol. The best thing they have without the negative side effects of Palmetto.

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Wrong on both counts, in my opinion.

Dutasteride should produce the same effect as Equol, because stopping the production of DHT (dutasteride) should be similar to blocking the molecule after it's formed (Equol). Both desired effects and side-effects should be similar with the two approaches.

However, don't get your hopes up: MK386 (a specific type 1 inhibitor) was recently found to be ineffective for acne. For that reason, the prospects don't look very good for either dutasteride or Equol.

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Posted 07 February 2005 - 01:32 AM

QUOTE(SweetJade1980 @ Feb 6 2005, 03:27 PM)
The thing with the drugs though, is that they have produced 50/50 results in clearing or GIVING people acne which I want to avoid.  The thing with the Zinc & B6 is that they aren't just 5-alpha inhibitors but also anti-androgens (like spiro) and zinc is also an anti-inflammatory, which may explain why they are less likely to result in an increase in acne compared to 5-alpha reductase inhibitors. 

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SweetJade, where and how did you get the impression that zinc and B6 are antiandrogens?? I've never heard such a claim. The only studies I've seen are the ones showing them to be 5a-reductase inhibitors (and even those are somewhat indirect effects). One is the well-known Stamatiadis study on azelaic acid, zinc, and pyridoxine; another is the one on various metal ions, including copper and zinc. But never (until now) have I heard such a claim of their having antiandrogenic properties! Can you fill me in on that??

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Posted 21 April 2011 - 01:03 PM

The active ingredient from Saw Palmetto is Beta-Sitosterol? Between products, Beta-Sitosterol is better (because is high concentrate extract)? Or Saw Palmetto have more active ingredients, not only Beta-Sitosterol?

I want for anti (DHT, Androgen, 5-AR......).

"Beta-Sitosterol is 1,000 times more effective than saw palmetto and pumpkin seed. The common ingredient in most herbs, that blocks DHT, is Beta-Sitosterol."

It is truth? So marketing.....?

Edited by Florin, 21 April 2011 - 01:12 PM.