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i had a bunch of zits on my forehead back in middle school. i get some once in a while but its pretty much clear with a few light brown spots. but i got scars over it and it doesn't look smooth, like small scars that looks horrible under certain lights. Its not really big scars, just the really small ones that makes my forehead look like its more aged than the rest of my face. I've been trying to find ways to make it smooth, i know those microdermabrasion kit for home does NOT work b/c i got a set by Homedics and it gave me more breakouts. Microdermabrasion in general will not work. Glycolic acid might, but i dont want my skin to be permanently prone to sun damage so thats out of the question. Hydroquinone causes cancer, and i'm more concerned about the shallow pits than the hyperpigmentation. Chemical peels are way too expensive, i'm only 16 and probably cant afford it, and i also heard has side effects too, like uneven skin tone and more sun damage in general. Laser is also expensive, since I'm asian, I'll probably have more chance of getting uneven skin color affter the procedure, and its also expensive. I just want a smooth forehead like everyone else, but I have no way of getting it, i see it everyday in the mirror and it kills my self esteem. If there is ANYTHING out there that can smooth it out please help me out!! sad.gif

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well a lot of the stuff you mentioned might help but u don't think u can't use them,,have u considered dermabrasion or smoothbeam?

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I have the same thing on my forehead. But my forehead is the smooest part of my face. everywhere else is ten times worst. I'm also youngish like you.

The truth is you can't do bugger shit without money.

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well a lot of the stuff you mentioned might help but u don't think u can't use them,,have u considered dermabrasion or smoothbeam?

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i had a bunch of zits on my forehead back in middle school. i get some once in a while but its pretty much clear with a few light brown spots. but i got scars over it and it doesn't look smooth, like small scars that looks horrible under certain lights. Its not really big scars, just the really small ones that makes my forehead look like its more aged than the rest of my face. I've been trying to find ways to make it smooth, i know those microdermabrasion kit for home does NOT work b/c i got a set by Homedics and it gave me more breakouts. Microdermabrasion in general will not work. Glycolic acid might, but i dont want my skin to be permanently prone to sun damage so thats out of the question. Hydroquinone causes cancer, and i'm more concerned about the shallow pits than the hyperpigmentation. Chemical peels are way too expensive, i'm only 16 and probably cant afford it, and i also heard has side effects too, like uneven skin tone and more sun damage in general. Laser is also expensive, since I'm asian, I'll probably have more chance of getting uneven skin color affter the procedure, and its also expensive. I just want a smooth forehead like everyone else, but I have no way of getting it, i see it everyday in the mirror and it kills my self esteem. If there is ANYTHING out there that can smooth it out please help me out!! sad.gif

There is a product by Perfect Complexions named A-Peel. I would recommend this for smoothing your skin as well as for your pigment problems. It is a high retinoid peeling cream. I use this and it is great for retexturizing the skin and pigment discolorations. Julie sells this on Ebay you might check her out. Her other products I don't care for but this is a winner. Over a month or 2 with weekly or biweekly use you will see a big improvement IMO. This is applied like a moisturizer (at night)and a tiny amount is all you need. Then you will flake or peel a few days later. The bottle will last for a long time. This is not an overnight treatment. This a treatment that is effective and hopefully you can afford it. 30-40.00 but lasts forever. You will need to use sunscreen. I have found that using Sycream scar cream after peeling helps also with small pitted scars. Syprex.com But then you are talking more money.

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^hi thanks for the recommendation! But I'm only using differin at night, would i still apply the a peel the same way?

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will the A-peel alone give me results?

wait nvm, its so expensive! sad.gif

Can you give me more information about

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...5530722672&rd=1

and

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...me=STRK:MEWA:IT

will they work the same?

I would definitely buy the A-peel if it can garantee results, can you tell me how much your scars improved after using this? does it have any dangerous side effects? please reply asap b/c i'm *really* interested in this

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will the A-peel alone give me results?

wait nvm, its so expensive! sad.gif

Can you give me more information about

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...5530722672&rd=1

and

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...me=STRK:MEWA:IT

will they work the same?

I would definitely buy the A-peel if it can garantee results, can you tell me how much your scars improved after using this? does it have any dangerous side effects? please reply asap b/c i'm *really* interested in this

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You said you had little money so I think this is a good deal that over time will produce satisfactory results. Since I can't see your scars it is difficult for me to say just what you need. Being Asian using other types of peeling agents can be risky in home use. This is a higher percent of retinoic acid that produces a mild peel or deeper peeling with more frequent application. Since it is a retinoid(RetinA type product) it will re-organize your skin cells to lay down more evenly as well as build collagen for reducing your scars. All retinoids have side effects but since you are using Differin now. I think you will do fine with this. Just email Juile off her website or EBay and ask her opinion since it is her product. I would not use differin the same time using A-peel. You have young skin and should respond well with quick healing.My skin needs more than A-Peel to correct my scars but this is part of my routine in scar correction. But my skin looks great since I have been using this peel. 2months now. It seems expensive but not compared to other retinoid peels, ie Vitalize. You might also check out LOreals new microderm product. I hear that is good. Cheap. Don't know if it will help though. For some reason I could not link to the products you were asking about, so I can't say if they are the same,sorry. A-Peel lasts forever and you will only use less than a pea size for your forehead. Julie is a trained esthetician and she can answer your questions.

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hey thanks for the quick response. But i have another quesiton, i'm 16, will the apeel damage my skin in the long run? i kno it'll make me more prone to sun damage but i already wear an spf 15. my mom doesn't want me to get it b/c she said i'm young and a harsh peel is going to 'ruin' me. lol but i'm only using it for my forehead, and its already 'ruined' anyways O_O i just want to know the harmful side effects long term and short term? and how long until i see results? are the results permanent?

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hey thanks for the quick response.  But i have another quesiton, i'm 16, will the apeel damage my skin in the long run?  i kno it'll make me more prone to sun damage but i already wear an spf 15.  my mom doesn't want me to get it b/c she said i'm young and a harsh peel is going to 'ruin' me.  lol  but i'm only using it for my forehead, and its already 'ruined' anyways O_O  i just want to know the harmful side effects long term and short term?  and how long until i see results?  are the results permanent?

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Shyana, thank you so much for mentioned about perfectcomplexion A-Peel.

I received a sample a couple of months ago and I asked for people's opinion on this forum, but I didn't really get an answer.

I was just going to ask again when I saw you reply...thanks for mentioning it.

Just have a couple of questions. I got this sample with the purchase of TCA Turbo. I read on Julie's website about the A-Peel and it seems wonderful. It seems better than TCA and supposedly faster too.

I really want to try it, but since it's related to Retin-A, I'm so scared to use it. Retin-A is the reason why I have scars in the first place. Prior to using Retin-A I would get some big zits, but I never got scars after they went away. After using Retin-A, pretty much every zit a got left a scar sad.gif

So you see why I'm scared of using Retin-A/related products. How similar would you say the A-Peel is to Retin-A? Would you think it would also leave my skin prone to scarring like Retin-A?

Since I'm going to probably give it a try anyway, can you tell how you apply it and how much. Also, I'd like know if hurts/stings, not that I mind that much about the stinging, I just want to know in case it happens if it's normal.

Thanks [smile.gif]

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Shyana, thank you so much for mentioned about perfectcomplexion A-Peel.

I received a sample a couple of months ago and I asked for people's opinion on this forum, but I didn't really get an answer.

I was just going to ask again when I saw you reply...thanks for mentioning it.

Just have a couple of questions. I got this sample with the purchase of TCA Turbo. I read on Julie's website about the A-Peel and it seems wonderful. It seems better than TCA and supposedly faster too.

I really want to try it, but since it's related to Retin-A, I'm so scared to use it. Retin-A is the reason why I have scars in the first place. Prior to using Retin-A I would get some big zits, but I never got scars after they went away. After using Retin-A, pretty much every zit a got left a scar sad.gif

So you see why I'm scared of using Retin-A/related products. How similar would you say the A-Peel is to Retin-A? Would you think it would also leave my skin prone to scarring like Retin-A?

Since I'm going to probably give it a try anyway, can you tell how you apply it and how much. Also, I'd like know if hurts/stings, not that I mind that much about the stinging, I just want to know in case it happens if it's normal.

Thanks [smile.gif]

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Hello I realize your are young and perhaps should listen to your mother. She sees you everyday and knows your skin well by now I am sure. There are volumes of research on retinods please read up on them. an easy web search. You are using Differin read your insert for that drug. Similar side effects. One thing that I did forget with you and my apologies, because it is a very serious threat when using any retinoids is birth defects. Thus the caution is not to use it if wanting to get pregnant. But I say don't use this peel if you are having sex period. Even protected sex and birth control use is not 100%. This is a very high retinoic acid peeling agent 3%. It will peel  you and the risks are there.  A certain amount does become systemic, goes into the blood stream.  But long term users are showing little adverse reactions, ie no liver damage etc. The skin can take on a more red hue. Sun sensitivity is a possibility. I am sun sensitive with retin A and all retinoids as many people are. You will burn more easily and the epidermis becomes thinner while the dermis becomes thicker. This is why it works. Simple explanations here for a complex medicine.  You must have been to a dermatologist to get get Differin? Perhaps you should ask your doctor first, since he/she can properly evaluate your skin.  There are more natural things you can do, less effective but may help. For instance one of my favorite healing microdermabrasion scubs is  Derma E scar gel with added microdermabrasion crystals.  Manual dermabrasion may be all you need, or weekly lactic acid peeling mild but safer. Or just adding a lactic acid or a glycolic moisturizer can slowly remodel skin damage.  Please do some research. Many people here have wonderful ideas and treatmenst they have found effective.

Safer Tx may be

Weekly lactic acid peel 40-55% times 3 weeks, then no use for one week then restart  cycle agian. Evaluate skin after 3 months.

Skin biology's Exfol and copper peptides AM and PM and moisturizer as needed.

You can use differin with exfol and copper peptides.

OK? Just some safer ideas for you.

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Hey!  I heard that copper peptide is really good for acne scars?  where can i get it?  how should i use it?  and how effective is it?  does it work for physical scars too?  or just the discoloration?  and what is exfol?

currently i'm using the vinegar method, its been a week now and my forehead looks SOOOOOOOOO much better.  What is your opinion on the use of vinegar for acne scars?  Also, your first reply, you said something about the sycream, it is a little expensive but can you give me more information on it?  How does it work?  I went on the website and it didn't explain much.  Would i apply it at night?  Do they sell sycream on ebay?

I have a microdermabrasion kit by homedics, i had it since last christmas.  Every time i used it i got MORE AND MORE breakouts.  So i stopped using it.  I dont think microdermabrasion will work for me, or maybe i'm not doing it correctly. 

and one more question, will my shallow scars ever go away by itself?  i know it wont be perfect, but some of the ones i had 3 years ago are barely visible now, but i had a few new ones that looks like enlarged pores eusa_wall.gif  would the vinegar/differin and some minor exfoliation help eventually to smooth it out?  I'm in desperate search for a more effective method, like glycolic acid/chemical peel, but i'm too young and i dont want to damage my skin either.

edit:  oh and about the lactic acid, how effective is it and what are the side effects?  does it also damage the skin?  and what percentage should i use?  where can i get it?

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-->>Shyana, thank you again very much for your response.

I wrote an email to Julie to know her opinion.

I'm going to do a patch test and see how it goes.

I don't think I'm allergic to Retinoids since I've used products containing Retinol and I haven't had any problems. Also, when I used Retin-A, I had very good results the first few months.

I think you're probably right when you mention about the tunnels. So maybe me getting scars after using Retin-A was just a coincidence or part of the healing process when using Retin-A.

I just thought Retin-A was the culprit since many people here attribute their scars to Retin-A

I have very mild to mild-moderate scars. Mainly concentrated on my cheeks and right temple. I never really had acne during my teens, it was very mild. For some reason over the period of a couple of months when I was 18(I'm 22 now) I had a period of moderate acne, which went away after a couple of months and it left me red marks - not scars.

That's when I started using Retin-A and started seeing I was getting some scars. But like you said, they probably were just tunnels left from previous lesions and Retin-A just unroofed them in part of the healing process.

I was just reading a paper about Retinoids and it said that of all the Retinoids, Retinoic Acid is the only one capable of cellular reconstruction. Retinoids like Retinol are converted to Retinoic Acid when applied to the skin. The reason why most Retinol products are not very effective is because they don't contain enough Retinol for the skin to convert it to Retinoic Acid. Higher concentrations of Retinol prove effective minus the more probable irritaion of Retinoic Acid.

I just have another question, are you using A-Peel cream or serum? And what do you apply it with, bare finger, use gloves, etc.?

-->>FantasyCLover, you can get copper peptides at skinbio.com

Order the acne test kit(I think that's what it's called) I think it costs $20 and it should last you for a while. It includes copper peptide cream and serum. Plus Exfol, in cream and serum. So you can tell which products work best for you. There's a lot of info on their website. They're effective and actually very good for acne.

You can't do microdermabrasion unless you have your acne under control. The ingredients in the creams could also cause breakouts. I did have good results with a home microdermsion kit. But not as good as with TCA Peels. The most effective way I've found to keep acne under control is the vitamin B5(Pantothnic Acid) regimen.

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wow hey thanks for the long responses! I'm really interested in copper peptide, but there's another thread on this forum that said it actually made their scars 'worse'? is that possible?

and the glycolic cream, i went to walmart many times looking for something with glycolic in it but i couldnt find any. Is there a common brand at walmart that has it? I found bunch of hydroquinone cream but not glycolic. Also, doesn't glycolic make the skin sensitive to sun damage? so does it not damage the skin in the long run?

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oh and i talked to julie, and she said i needed protein for my scars, she recommended the Royal Jelly, does anybody have any info on this? how does it work? SHe recommended that instead of the A-peel b/c i'm too young for it.

can i get the exfol and cp at the store?

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hey i found a copper peptide serum on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...mMakeTrack=true

will that work as well? i think its cheaper this way than buying it directly from the skinbio site. I dont know if this will work as good though so help me out eusa_doh.gif

ohhhh i found a set of exfol AND cp serum,

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...mMakeTrack=true

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that would work right? i think its so much cheaper! the seller mentioned Dr. Pickart in her description of these two items. it would work the same way?

edit:sorry for the long post but i came up with another question while going through the FAQ at skinbio, it said something about washing the copper peptide off? I'm a little confused about that. I apply the CP at night and the Exfol in the morning. Do i have to wash them off before applying sunscreen in the morning and differin after the cp at night?

it also said the exfol and cp can make ur scars worse when u start out but eventually it evens it out. has anyone used this? can you tell me ur success story?

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There are higher percent creams of retinol that are effective and many people like these over RetinA and its analogs. Green Cream has a new one with higher retinol. I hear it is very good. I breakout with any retinoids but do better with all trans retinoic acid, =tretinoin,= RetinA. Many people have more breakouts with retinol, retinal etc. Sometimes using any retinoid will give an initial breakout then it subsides. So just to let you know this can happen. Also you should never use retinoids for long periods of time without a break. It is important to let the skin calm and do what is natural. Retinoids constantly stimulate cellular turnover and have a direct affect on cellular DNA. So since you are young you do not need this rapid increase in tunover. It sounds like you reached a plateau with retin A the first month having good results and then it got worse. This is your skin telling you it has had enough. At this time to strenghen the healing and not damage the skin further you should switch to a more benign product such as L'ascorbic acid serum and possibly magnesim ascorbyl phospahtes, ie Mag C . This will continue to produce collagen and heal the damage from retinA, ie redness and heal epidermal irritation. If not used properly any retinoid can damage the skin, and for some even using it correctly harms their skin, as reported.

I use the A-peel cream, I did not know she had a serum. It is just like any moisturizer, does not burn so I apply it with my finger tip. I think she said use an applicator, why bother? IMO... Just a peas size for the entire face. Then wash your hands. It does not burn and then you will flake or or shed layers of skin in a few days, depending on how much you applied and how often.

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oh and i talked to julie, and she said i needed protein for my scars, she recommended the Royal Jelly, does anybody have any info on this?  how does it work?  SHe recommended that instead of the A-peel b/c i'm too young for it.

can i get the exfol and cp at the store?

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hey i found a copper peptide serum on ebay:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...mMakeTrack=true

will that work as well?  i think its cheaper this way than buying it directly from the skinbio site.  I dont know if this will work as good though so help me out eusa_doh.gif

ohhhh i found a set of exfol AND cp serum,

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewI...mMakeTrack=true

user posted image

that would work right?  i think its so much cheaper!  the seller mentioned Dr. Pickart in her description of these two items.  it would work the same way?

edit:sorry for the long post but i came up with another question while going through the FAQ at skinbio, it said something about washing the copper peptide off?  I'm a little confused about that.  I apply the CP at night and the Exfol in the morning.  Do i have to wash them off before applying sunscreen in the morning and differin after the cp at night? 

it also said the exfol and cp can make ur scars worse when u start out but eventually it evens it out.  has anyone used this?  can you tell me ur success story?

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wow hey thanks for the long responses!  I'm really interested in copper peptide, but there's another thread on this forum that said it actually made their scars 'worse'?  is that possible?

and the glycolic cream, i went to walmart many times looking for something with glycolic in it but i couldnt find any.  Is there a common brand at walmart that has it?  I found bunch of hydroquinone cream but not glycolic.  Also, doesn't glycolic make the skin sensitive to sun damage?  so does it not damage the skin in the long run?

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These products are just fine.Dr. Pickart sells to estheticians and they resell his products.  Washing off copper peptides is for those who have reactions to it. It can stimulate some undesirable effects, when first used,more breakouts, and even crinkling( added wrinkles). This is very potent stuff and a little goes a long way.Some people dilute it with water and then apply, or apply then wash off excess etc. For you exfol can be used in the AM and CP at night is fine to start. You don't have to wash them off, but don't you wash your face in the morning anyway? 

AM

cleanse

exfol

sunscreen

Pm

cleanse

cp

differin

Cp's will remove damaged tissue and it can look worse before geting better. It takes a long time for severe scars to be corrected by this method.( The differnin will add to the repair so keep usging it). You are young and will correct faster if cp's are right for you.  For some young people I have found, do not need the copper for skin repair. They have more than enough and this just will not work.

My older skin is less efficient in repair so this has helped me so much. My skin is very young and the best I have ever looked. Many of my smaller scars just disappeared using cp's and exfol.But I have had to do many other things to get my skin looking this good.

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These products are just fine.Dr. Pickart sells to estheticians and they resell his products.  Washing off copper peptides is for those who have reactions to it. It can stimulate some undesirable effects, when first used,more breakouts, and even crinkling( added wrinkles). This is very potent stuff and a little goes a long way.Some people dilute it with water and then apply, or apply then wash off excess etc. For you exfol can be used in the AM and CP at night is fine to start. You don't have to wash them off, but don't you wash your face in the morning anyway? 

AM

cleanse

exfol

sunscreen

Pm

cleanse

cp

differin

Cp's will remove damaged tissue and it can look worse before geting better. It takes a long time for severe scars to be corrected by this method.( The differnin will add to the repair so keep usging it). You are young and will correct faster if cp's are right for you.  For some young people I have found, do not need the copper for skin repair. They have more than enough and this just will not work.

My older skin is less efficient in repair so this has helped me so much. My skin is very young and the best I have ever looked. Many of my smaller scars just disappeared using cp's and exfol.But I have had to do many other things to get my skin looking this good.

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