Posted 11 November 2002 - 06:37 PM
Posted 12 November 2002 - 12:14 AM
Posted 12 November 2002 - 12:46 AM
I guess subcision is pretty much the same as Needling then... what I did note was that the needles are meant to be inserted around 1cm away from the scars - I wonder how many times they are inserted??
I think next time, I may try the above method.
Yes, a finer needle would definately be better. Someone on the Saline inhjections thread said you can buy injection needles that are very fine - I will see if i can find the information.
Only a few of mine have formed scabs - they are the ones which have better results. I think the scabbing may be an important aspect of healing.
I found it hard not to try and pick the scabs off myself (before they were fully formed) I think that's why some have had no change, while the scabbed ones look better.
Eyeciss - maybe you could just try 1 scar adn see if it works well for you.
Posted 12 November 2002 - 04:39 AM
Posted 12 November 2002 - 11:43 AM
If you see it before I get a chance, please post. Thanks
Posted 12 November 2002 - 05:37 PM
Posted 12 November 2002 - 11:00 PM
Posted 12 November 2002 - 11:12 PM
I'm thinking of trying this on only one of my scars first just to see how it would work. It seems better to go slow in case I don't react to it well.
Have any of you gotten specific instructions from one of the doctors who performs this (Dr. Fernandes in South Africa or Dr. Camirand in Canada)? If I try this I think I'd want to have some clear instructions to follow before I try and then I'd be willing to report how I did. I just could use some guidance. Wouldn't it be something if with all the extravagant and expensive lasers and peels that the answer could be in a pin?
Thanks and keep the faith,
P.S. I'm not convinced this is the same thing as subcision because everyone says this leaves a scab rather than a bruise (which is left by subcision). Also, subcision seems to be more about cutting tethered bands and the visual on the web article by Dr. Fernandes shows this to less about cutting and more about puncturing.
Posted 13 November 2002 - 01:00 AM
Posted 13 November 2002 - 03:52 AM
Subsicion and Needling ares not exactly the same. As I see it, subsicion can involve cutting away at the old underlying scar, just using one needle per scar and twisting around under the scar (the needle has razer edges (unlike a normal needle)
Needling itself uses more pinpricks - but ultimately, the goal is the same - that is to stimulate collagen and push the indents up to the surface.
It's been about 4 days since my experiment - and all the puffiness around the scar has just about gone and some of the scars are improved - not so pronounced - but I do feel that it will take several sessions for a really big difference.
Even in the needling links, it does say that it normally takes 3 sessions to create big results (and they are using professional machines) so it may take us 5-7 (at a guess)
Altogether, I am pleased with what has been achieved so far.
Oh yes - something to note - IF you have some scars that are still slightly active (that is, the old zit/cyst isn't completey dead) - don't work on those. What I have found is that the needling works best on old scars.
Eyesiss - keep us updated - don't worry, it will be fine, we are all a few days ahead fo you, so keep reading these posts as to see what to expect!
Posted 13 November 2002 - 09:32 AM
Posted 13 November 2002 - 12:12 PM
Since i didn't do all my scars - I am going to have a go at some of the other ones in a week or so - just had to check my diary to see what I had on, as I think the first 3-4 days, the needling puffiness was a bit obvious in daylight!
Posted 13 November 2002 - 07:10 PM
Thanks and keep the faith,
Posted 13 November 2002 - 11:21 PM
Posted 14 November 2002 - 12:56 AM
I doubt any needling doc is going to give the whole run down on the procedure - if you are apprehensive, I suggest you don't do this. But maybe you can try on just 1 scar.
Posted 14 November 2002 - 07:42 AM
Posted 14 November 2002 - 11:12 AM
Posted 14 November 2002 - 11:41 PM
The premise is the same in using a regular needle (pin) but in my opinion they are not one in the same. By piercing the skin a few times with a needle you are taking some serious risks. You could easily pierce the skin to deeply, cause an infection or end up with a deeper more pronounced scar. Please be careful.
As for my scars, the skin has completely healed and the results are lasting. I am now back to my regular skin care routine (cleanser & TNS) and I have been wearing makeup. I plan on having the procedure done again in a few weeks since my worst scar (improved 50%) still needs some help. Otherwise I am very happy with the resluts I got 100% on one smaller ice pick scar, 75% on a slighly larger ice pick and 50% on the deepest largest ice pick.
Posted 15 November 2002 - 12:10 AM
I didn't realise that the tatoo gun sprayed water into the skin - so now it seems to me that tatoo needling is a combination of using the needle with saline type injections.