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MC great news about the syringe needles - will get some myself

Subsicion and Needling ares not exactly the same. As I see it, subsicion can involve cutting away at the old underlying scar, just using one needle per scar and twisting around under the scar (the needle has razer edges (unlike a normal needle)

Needling itself uses more pinpricks - but ultimately, the goal is the same - that is to stimulate collagen and push the indents up to the surface.

It's been about 4 days since my experiment - and all the puffiness around the scar has just about gone and some of the scars are improved - not so pronounced - but I do feel that it will take several sessions for a really big difference.

Even in the needling links, it does say that it normally takes 3 sessions to create big results (and they are using professional machines) so it may take us 5-7 (at a guess)

Altogether, I am pleased with what has been achieved so far.

Oh yes - something to note - IF you have some scars that are still slightly active (that is, the old zit/cyst isn't completey dead) - don't work on those. What I have found is that the needling works best on old scars.

Eyesiss - keep us updated - don't worry, it will be fine, we are all a few days ahead fo you, so keep reading these posts as to see what to expect!

Maya


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Yea, i definetly need to do this again. My scar have slightly improved but not that much.

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I think we have to be quite persistent with needling.

Since i didn't do all my scars - I am going to have a go at some of the other ones in a week or so - just had to check my diary to see what I had on, as I think the first 3-4 days, the needling puffiness was a bit obvious in daylight!


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I posted last night to see if anyone had gotten instructions or other guidance from any of the needle dermabrasion doctors, as I'd like to give this a shot. Any and all help would be appreciated.

Thanks and keep the faith,

Henry

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Nothing new here, just waiting for the next time to do this. I was just wondering how far i should go when i pierce my scars. Now that i'm getting thin syringes i think piercing will be easier. I remember reading on Des Fernandes' site that deeper the better??

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Henry - please read this WHOLE thread - everything we know is on here.

I doubt any needling doc is going to give the whole run down on the procedure - if you are apprehensive, I suggest you don't do this. But maybe you can try on just 1 scar.


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Thats great news Eyeciss, has the coagulation gone aaway?

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Yes - it seems to be hard to tell why some scars worked better with this method. Some are definately better - smoother too and some, not much change


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:) Sorry for not updating sooner. I was surprised to see the link has grown so much. Boy have you all been busy. I am glad that those of you who have tried this at home have gotten some results. I must say you are brave! The difference in using a tattoo machine is that the needle (which is actually 5 needles) pierces the skin about 300 to 600 times a minute. The tattoo machine also controls the depth at which the needles penetrate the skin, giving the tattooist complete control. The needling technique using a tattoo machine also injects water into the skin to help break up scar tissue and generate new collagan growth.

The premise is the same in using a regular needle (pin) but in my opinion they are not one in the same. By piercing the skin a few times with a needle you are taking some serious risks. You could easily pierce the skin to deeply, cause an infection or end up with a deeper more pronounced scar. Please be careful.

As for my scars, the skin has completely healed and the results are lasting. I am now back to my regular skin care routine (cleanser & TNS) and I have been wearing makeup. I plan on having the procedure done again in a few weeks since my worst scar (improved 50%) still needs some help. Otherwise I am very happy with the resluts I got 100% on one smaller ice pick scar, 75% on a slighly larger ice pick and 50% on the deepest largest ice pick.

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Joginn - thanks for the update! The results sound great!

I didn't realise that the tatoo gun sprayed water into the skin - so now it seems to me that tatoo needling is a combination of using the needle with saline type injections.


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Cooll Joginn, where did you get your needling done? I wish i knew a place that i can go for tattoo needling...

Anyways, I needled some other scars the other day. While some didn't change me, one in particular completely leveled. I just don't know why the other ones didn't.

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Joginn -

I'll be having my friend (tatoo artist) do one small scar on my face tomorrow morning. If you read this before then - Is there anything I should tell him? How deep to go? How many passes? etc?

Thank you.


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Tamara - hey, good luck - just a standard tatoo pass is all you need. You'll be fine - we'll all be thinking of you!

Eyesis - if you only have 7 scars, then self treating is probably best - I have so many LOL!! It would take me forever to get through them! Really glad that you are seeing improvements!


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Thanks Maya!!! :)

I'll keep you posted.


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My mum came over ysterday - she lives quite a distance away, so I don't get to see her for a couple of months at a time - she looked at me and said - hey, your scars are shrinking!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, it's not just my imagination!


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Wows, thats great to hear. Sometimes we doubt ourselves but having someone else tell you of improvement is especially comforting. Since she hasn't seen you in awhile she can really notice a difference.

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I has a tattoo artist say that her procedure for needling is staying within the scar margins and making one pass the length of the scar and crossing back an forth 2-4 times the width of the scar.


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Anna - thank you for that information!

It's so good that we are all in this together and improving - just goes to show that you don't have to spend thousands on laser surgery to get results.

It will take time and patience for us, but we are worth it!!!!


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Wow Maya, that is awesome news!!! I hope this is something that will work for everyone with acne scars.

I got one scar done by my friend today. We took a before picture so we'll be able to actually compare the results. It hurt, but it wasn't as bad as I thought it would be. It did bleed, but not for too terribly long. It just looks like a scratch of some sort right now - just red looking. He told me to wash it carefully with antibacterial soap and to apply A&D ointment on it twice a day. I asked him when we'd know if it worked and he said probably in about 2 weeks when it's healed. He said if it doesn't give the result I wanted then he'll try it again with a little "heavier hand". I really hope this experiment will be worthwhile. :)


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Tamara - wow, great! Keep us posted!

If you do want to get it done again, wait at least a month.

What is a&d ointment?


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He gave me a packet of A&D Ointment.

Here's the ingredients:

Active Ingredient: White Petrolatum

Inactive Ingredients: Light Mineral Oil,

Petrolatum, Vitamin A Palmitate and Vitamin D.

So it would seem that it's basically Vaseline, mineral oil and vitamins A & D.

:?: Does anyone know the reasoning behind waiting a month to do this again? :?:


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Here is a close-up of the scar before the tatooing:

http://www.tamaramadden.com/ScarDetail_11-16-2002.jpg

Here is a close up of the scar right after the tatooing (same day),

Warning, it doesn't look too pretty:

http://www.tamaramadden.com/ScarDetail2_11-16-2002.jpg

I'll try and post another photo after a week, and then another after two weeks so we'll be able to truly see the difference.


~ Tamara

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Tamara - thanks for the pictures!

You need to wait one month becasue that's ho long it takes for the skin to heal (underneath) - Des Fernades (the cosmetic surgeon for this procedure) told me.


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Maya,

Just wanted to let you know I sent you a PM on this topic. I don't know whether you read those or not. Thanks.

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I don't mean to be sappy, but scarring is such a difficult thing to go through alone. I just wanted to say how much I appreciate everyone's input. I think the mere knowledge that we are not in this alone helps all of us. Weekends are the hardest. The very best of luck to us all!


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