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Skin Needling/Needle Dermabrasion

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EDIT - Rossignol, 8th August 2004

Hi all, I decided to take a moment to edit this thread seeing as it has got so long!

I thought I would point out to the new people looking at it to READ AT LEAST TO PAGE 25 OF THE THREAD!!! (or at least skim!)

Initially, the thread deals with self-needling, which has since been viewed by the scar board in general as being quite dangerous, and not advisable for treating scars. It is only at around pg 20, when Maya and Oursfan start discussing their experiences with professionals performing needling on them that the information becomes more valid to people looking into needling at the present time. Needling is now offered by more practitioners worldwide than when this thread was started, and therefore it is more advisable that you seek out someone who offers it rather than attempting it yourself.

On the whole, though, the information in the thread is fantastic.

-Thanks!

Rossignol

-Moderator.

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Hi everyone!

Has anyone tried skin needling for their scars?

http://www.uclm.es/inabis2000/posters/file...073/session.htm

http://www.vivida.co.za./

Check the sites above - gives you more info.

I am very excited about this and want to get it done as soon as my acne clears up. My pitting on the cheeks is quite severe.

Maya

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8) I just had needling done last night by my husband who is a tattoo artist (15 years) It is too soon to see the results yet, but I'll keep you posted if your interested. The scars we treated were pitted.

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Wow - you are so lucky!!!!!!!!!

Did you have your whole face done? How long did it take?

Are you in the UK by any chance?

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I had the needling done Sun Night. I orginally heard about it on another acne board and from there did some research and talked it over with my husband. He agreed that the process seemed very promising for my scars. I didn't have my whole face done, rather three pitted scars that I have had for 8+ years. Again it's too soon to see end results but I am very excited. Thanks for your interest.

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Hi - thanks for coming back - and please don't go away!

Please keep me informed of how it continues.

By the way, perhaps at some stage, you could, with your husband, write out exactly how he perfomed this on you, because I want to go an approach som tatto artists here in the UK with the suggestion of needling my whole face.

I have noticed that a lot of tatoo artists are not keen on doing the face - but if I could explain to them the procedure, from a tatooists point of view, they may do it for me.

Thank you - very much

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Thanks for your interest Maya. Everyday there has been significant improvement. During the healing process I have to keep the areas that have been tattooed covered with a thin layer of a&d ointment and I'll need to do this for at least a week. One of my scars was rather big, and although it is not perfect I can see where the tattooing "broke down" the hard scar tissue surrounding it and it filled in quite a bit. Once I am completely healed (three + weeks) we may do that one scar again to see if we can get it to fill in more. But again, we have to wait to see the final outcome.

So far I am very happy with the results. As others have said the nice thing about this is that it does not damage your skin, I am able to go on with my daily routine and the area's tattooed don't look worse than a small pimple. Wearing no makeup has also made the rest of my face very clear.

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Wow - it sounds like you are making a great recovery and I am so pleased for you - and you know that you are an inspiration to me, because this treatment has seemed to give the best results - far superior to laser and microdermabrasion.

Joginn - please could you ask your husband this - if someone could use like a really fine needle on themselves? And did he use some lotion on your face to numb it before using the tatoo gun?

Thanks!

Maya

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I have found someone in the UK who is due to finish her skin needling course soon, and next month, she is flying to Florida to get the machine - and wow - she only works 40 minutes from me!!!!

I am so excited.

Please keep me updated as to your progress though. Thanks

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It has been 10 days since my needling (tattooing) My husband gave me his opinion this morning about results so far. one scar 100% improvement (this was an oddly shaped depressed scar on my left cheek) 75% on a smaller deeper scar on right cheek and 50% on my worst scar. It is still too soon for me to tell (the areas still have some scabbing) Although when I look in the mirror (a 5X lighted mirror) I am happier than I have been in years.

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Thanks so much for keeping me up-to-date. Your results to date sound so fantastic! I can imaine how happy you feel, it must feel so good to look in the mirror and have you skin look so much better. I have heard from some people that the improvement continues for 3-6 months!

Where in the world are you based?

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This sounds very interesting to me and I've looked at some info on the web about it.... I know a tattoo artist, and I've asked him if he'd be willing to try it on one of my scars. He said he would. I'll be sure to post here about my results if/when it happens. I still want to do a bit more research before going ahead with it although it seems to make complete sense that it would work.

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Yes, Maya. The link you posted at the top of this thread was what got me interested but it was the post from the other board that really got me thinking it might be worth a try. That and actually knowing a tattoo artist. I will definitely keep you posted.

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If only I knew a tatoo artist - I would have had it done by now!!

Please keep in touch!

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Forgot to add.... I am only going to have my friend do ONE of my scars to start with (near my hairline), just to see how my skin reacts to it.

Joginn - Did your husband use anything for the tattooing? My friend said that he thinks he might use witch hazel. He doesn't think it would be a good idea to do it "dry". Also, what did you do for it afterward? Did you use hydrogen peroxide? neosporin? tattoo goo?

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I have read that you are meant to put vit C serum and Vitamin A cream on your skin as it heals it up much faster - that information is on one of the links I'd posted.

Maya

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We used water to tattoo with, witch hazel would irratate the skin. I would stick with water. Aftercare is apply a thin coat of a&d onitment for 7-10 days. Vitamin a&c will speed up the healing, but the idea of needling is to break down the scar tissue and incourage new skin growth..this takes time if you try to rush it you may not get any improvement.

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Thanks for those recommendations.

Also, what can I expect my skin to look like after the procedure? Red? Swollen? Thanks very much. :)

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Which A&D ointment did you use? Can you tell me the name and brand please. Thanks.

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You can do skin needling on yourself but you must do only you have the guts. I tried it on myself. I use to have white head acne and there are these few spots on my forehead that bothered me. So, after hearing all this about tattooing scared areas without the needle i decided to try useing a needle of my own on these scars. They were shallow pits. Some bigger than others. It has been about a week now since i did this procedure on myself. It was not at all painfull. All you do is punch a needle around your scared area. Don't go too far. An indicator to know when to stop is that when you pierce the needle into the scared area it will go through your skin then once it hits the scars region inside you will feel a slight snap as if you went through something solid. It feels like you punched through paper. You can even hear it. Once you're there you can twist the needle so it moves around inside as if you were trying to make a circular hole. Then you pull it out and proceed to do it inside the whole scared region. You will notice that the area will level immediately. This is because of the blood that also comes in. Its best to put a warm soaked cloth over the region after you pierce it to help blood rush in and raise the skin. You're basically stimulating the skin to repair itself from the bottom up. The area wil remain red for about 1-2 weeks after the procedure. The results i have were mixed. Its too early to tell but i did notice that the region is more leveled. The scar was a particular one because it was also on a wrikle but now the wrinkle seems to dissappear. I promised myself im not going to do this again until after thanksgiving. The results can excite you once you see that your scars level off. But keep in mind, moderation is the key. Although your skin might look healed on the outside, your body is still repairing from within the inside. You basically create a honeycomb under your scar. New collagen should form between the holes. I'm not sure if the scar tissue is eaten away in the process, im no scientist. Please be careful. If you do it once have have mixed results, just try once more and pierce that scar throughly. I had my best results the second time. I can't wait to do it again. I also had Elicina at hand which i applied on my scars when i was done just to further stimulate the healing process. Good luck, and be safe!

ps. this really isn't at all hard to do but mind you that you are penetrating your epidermis with a metal object, something that doctors are paid to do (so expensively too!) Just make double sure your needle is sanitized. Rinse it in hot/boiled water.

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Thanks for that - trouble is, I have so much scarring! Did you use any numbing cream on your skin before using the needle?

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No numbing cream whatsoever. Just Applied a paper towel soaked in hot water over the pierced regions.

It is slightly painful when you pierce your normal skin. As far as piercing your scars, it doens't hurt at all. I guese it is because there is no nerve tissue where your scars are. I did this procedure on this region on my forehead that had a wierd shaped redish scar. It did hurt in certain parts of the scar. Now that i look at the area its 3 scars now. The reason it hurt is because i pierced the good skin between the scars which seemed to be apart of the scar. I guesed the scars pulled the skin around it down unleveling it also. A few days after doin this to myself i regreted doin it because the scared areas seem to be more noticeable. They were inflamed with redness. But after a couple of days the redness started to go away. Now i look at the area. Its more leveled and the scars are more defined. Like i want to do this again but patience is key. So wait a week to 2 weeks between each procedure. Let the skin heal is important. I can't wait to see the results next time but im definetly am not looking forward to the week after doin it. I think using Elicina and/or Complex-C or any other skin promoting topical solution will give you the best results. I put Complex-C after i take a shower, since that's the recommended time to do it. You feel a gentle burn on the regions you rub it on. Then Before i go to bed and when i wake up i apply Elicina. Next time i do this im goin to get a thiner needle so i can poke more holes. I hope this helps, be safe, i recommend you try doin this on a scar that is not so noticeable just for practice.

Good Luck!

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I'm happy that this is possibly working for you, but your all very detailed description of "sticking the needle through the scar", a "crack that sounds like paper".....it kind of makes my stomach turn....I have to commend you just for going through with this!

Good luck!

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