Posted 10 November 2004 - 06:15 PM
1) cleanse with a mild cleanser for sensitive skin.
she says the concept of oily skin and using oily skin products for acne is wrong! oily skin products are best tolerated by ppl who have oily skin but free from breakouts. anyone who is doing ANY treatment for acne will have sensitive skin. so hypoallergenic and sensitive skin products are the best bet for them! this is because oily skin products strips of all the oils on skin..so the skin counter-reacts by producing more oil and hence more acne. those with breakout free oily skin...mm...the lucky few..r the only ones to tolerate this..P.Acne bacterium..why do u hate some ppl and leave the others alone??? WHY???
avoid all scrubs..no matter how mild they claim to be. but how do we exfoliate, do u ask??? oh thats easy...and DIRT CHEAP too!!! 2 WORDS- BAKING SODA!
she says that she has not come across any acne-prone patients who has benefitted from scrubs. it may work for a while in some...lead to initial happiness..yeah, and then lead to final gloom when breakouts appear from everywhere...even the areas where it was break-out free in the beginning! SO NO SCRUBS PPL .use baking soda instead... just make a paste out of baking soda and water...and massage very gently. wash immediately. u have to do this after cleansing. u may be able to extract some ripe or loose blackheads afterward. hey and never try to squeeze a blackhead if its not ready to come out...u will regret it!
3) tone to balance pH
now that baking soda is basic in nature..something acidic is needed to balance the ph. ANSWER? APPLE CIDER VINEGAR!
use a 1:8 (vinegar:water) solution first and then gradually increase to 1:1 ..never apply it neat. BALANCED pH = BEAUTIFUL SKIN! wash off after 10 mins. dont leave it on.
4) apply ur acne cream..i use the Proactiv BP lotion. i use the amt Dan suggests for beginners...( edit: i switched to Neutrogena on-the-spot now). U can use ANY acne cream which suits ur skin. Dont skip this step.
4) Moisturise with SPF containing moisturiser. I use Cetaphil and it does not break me out. Look for the words sensitive skin, hypoallergenic & non-comedogenic WITH SUN PROTECTION FACTOR when u buy any moisturiser.
5) And for those who apply make-up, use non-acnegenic products containing titanium dioxide or zinc oxide. they r good for the skin too!
6) cleanse ur face ..( use baking soda and acv only once a day..morning or evening as ur preference)
7) apply a mild protein mask....till date..ive never found a mask that gives as good results as this mask..this is my aesthetician's favourite mask (btw..she has absolutely gorgeous baby-smooth skin and she told me that she had acne in her teens! hard to believe..!)
1 tablespoon of egg-white whipped up + a squeeze of lemon (dont put too much). smooth it over ur face..avoid eye area... wash off in 10 minutes....and look at a NEW REJUVENATED YOU!!
i tried this mask every day for 5 days....its AMAZING...my skin looks so refreshed! And bonus point is that done everyday...this will make the red-spots VANISH!!!
8) Apply ur acne cream before bed.
THATS IT!! JUST 8 STEPS FOR A HUGE BOOST IN YOUR CONFIDENCE!!
I am not kidding...there is a HUGE difference in my red-spots after just 5 days of this routine. I am going to stick to this routine. U guys ABSOLUTELY MUST TRY THIS.....
i will be glad to answer any questions regarding this....
TAKE CARE ALL OF YOU!!
Posted 10 November 2004 - 06:39 PM
Posted 10 November 2004 - 07:00 PM
Posted 10 November 2004 - 07:05 PM
Have you been doing this, or is this something that your aesthetician told you that you intend to try. Also, what is the condition of your skin now, and what was it like before this regimen.
I am currently on vitamin B5, 3 1/2 weeks into my regimen, but I am also using an acne cleanser with salicylic acid, and I use a nighttime acne gel with salicylic acid. Do you think I should scrap the cleanser and night gel, and go with your method? Also, I am a guy, so I shave. Where would shaving fit into the routine? Would I shave, then cleanse, then baking soda, then vinegar?
Posted 10 November 2004 - 07:44 PM
Posted 11 November 2004 - 12:17 AM
or is it all the things you mentioned combined ?
Posted 11 November 2004 - 04:44 AM
Posted 11 November 2004 - 10:40 AM
one thing abt acne-prone skin is that, u already have got many open pores from ur earlier pimples and blackheads. so its important to make sure these pores are clean everyday coz its so easy for oil to get clogged again and again when pores are larger than normal.so while ppl with normal skin( and normal tiny pores) need to exfoliate just 2-3 times a week..we need to put in some extra effort and do it everyday to make sure that the devil in the name of P.acne bacterium has no choice but give up!
Abt the mask,yeah, putting a mask on everyday is a pain. If its difficult for u, u can do it every other day. dont give too many gaps in between if u want to see immediate results.
the thing abt doing baking soda and vinegar together is, like i said, to balance the ph of ur skin. u just have to do this once. there r ppl who do the vinegar alone twice. unfortunately, this way ph will never be balanced. coz the skin ph becomes acidic...dryness occurs..peeling occurs..and then with all the acne products that is put on afterwards, which increases the irritation, it will be a mess before long! I do the baking soda/vinegar once in the morning...and then do the rest. in the evening, i cleanse, apply mask, wash off, apply bp and go to bed.
I have been doing this now for 6 days. I have a few box scars and a lot of reddish brown marks (im Asian)..the results i have noticed is...
- skin so soft that its a bliss to touch it!!
- my skin tone has evened out a lot..earlier, my chin, forehead and far side of cheeks were darker than the rest of the face,..now, my complexion has lightened. im hoping to see dramatic results in abt a month from now.
- my make-up slides on so easily, it never flakes and u know what? it stays on fresh for the whole day!earlier my skin used to look yuck by the end of the day..now all day it looks like i have just come out of the shower! Thats the magic of the egg-white/lemon mask. it rejuvenates ur skin.
- finally, the best part..red marks! guys, believe me, i met this friend of mine at a party 10 days ago..i invited her family over for tea at my place yesterday. She took one look at me and she said, 'gosh, last time i saw u, ur marks were so dark..they look faded now...what have u been doing? did u get a facial done?' i was so pleased!!! atleast my mirror was not fooling me! THIS IS WORKING!
SSS, yes, the combination of these procedures helped me. Because, skin products work best on exfoliated clean skin, baking soda/vinegar rocks. and because with the facial mask in the evening u are taking out all the impurities that have accumulated in ur pores thruout the day, the egg white/lemon mask rocks!
Dave, if SA is helping you, theres no need to switch to BP. u can continue with the acne treatment that works for u...the idea is to clean the skin well before using the acne products so that their effectiveness is increased. Actually, when u shave u r exfoliating too. so to avoid over-doing it, i wd suggest u to limit the anti-acne products u use to one, so that u dont dry out ur skin much. u can try something like this.
- since u r already using a SA gel, use a mild cleanser without any antibacterial products...so yes, ur SA wash shd be put away for a while. I use Dove soap for sensitive skin. but u have to use the trial-error method to see what works for u. i think it shd be fine.
- lather the soap in ur hands, mix it with a little baking soda and massage on skin...so u r exfoliating and cleaning it at the same time. its a time-saver too!! wash off.
- next, shave
-so now ur skin is nice and clean....put on ur vinegar...pls put on a weak solution at first..if u get rashes...dilute it more. wash off in 10 mins.
- put ur SA gel.
- moisturise with SPF containing lotion.
- evening, skip the soda and vinegar, but do the mask and SA gel after cleansing with soap.
Nature, yes, it helps with red/brown marks.
hope i have answered all ur questions....keep them coming!!!
Posted 11 November 2004 - 12:54 PM
Actually, I am not using BP, nor do I want to. I have found that the SA I was using may be making my skin produce more oil. I am currently on a vitamin B5 regimen, which is slowing my oil production. I tried your regimen last night. I shave at night, every other night. So last night was my non-shave night. I washed in the shower with Liquid Neutragena. Then I mixed baking soda with water and gently washed my face with it. After, I applied the vinegar/water mix for 10 minutes, and then I washed off and put on moisturizer. My skin felt great, and when I awoke this morning my red marks had faded, and a couple of whiteheads I had last night were almost completely gone. I like the idea of switching to a gentle routine. I had previously been using a scrub once per week, but I always felt that it was breaking me out. I know that SA is an exfoliant, but I also think it was causing my skin to be oily. I had heard that vinegar was beneficial, and I had even used it before (successfully), but I was using it morning and night (with no base to balance the pH) and leaving it on all day. You regimen seems to make perfect sense. I will continue to use it and keep you posted on the results. Tonight I shave, and the day after shaving is always a good tell if a regimen is working or not.
Do you think that mixing the baking soda with the cleanser is more beneficial, or should I cleanse, then make a paste with BS & water? Also, I didn't try the mask thing. Do you think that the mask is necessary for results, or is the baking soda with vinegar and a gentle cleanser enough to retain healthy skin?
Posted 11 November 2004 - 03:18 PM
I will keep you posted to see if it works for me.
SKIN COLOR: Olive
TREATMENTS: Had 11 punch floats w/Dr Y. on 3/3/05
I would love to go back to Dr. Y. and have more punch floats. Best procedue I have ever done.
Posted 11 November 2004 - 08:11 PM
and can the vinegar lighten hyperpigmentation?
is there an alternative to the egg white + lemon mask method? B/c i'm vegetarian and I cant use animal products.
I'm glad to hear that this is working for you, because I am asian too so I think I'll have a better chance at gettign the results you just described.
Posted 11 November 2004 - 11:34 PM
Posted 12 November 2004 - 02:09 AM
Posted 12 November 2004 - 03:15 AM
Bad news before good news: I'm really not a fan of the vinegar, I think I'll omit that.
Anyway, all I had was baking powder, it must work just as well because after I used it my skin tone looked amazing. I just mixed it into a thing paste with water. then rubed on my skin not too hard and when I washed it off my skin looked awesome.
Same with the mask, it works well.
Posted 12 November 2004 - 05:18 AM
Posted 12 November 2004 - 09:20 AM
Has anyone else tried this or something like it with any success?
Posted 12 November 2004 - 10:57 AM
I find it very interesting that you feel your SA regimen might be causing more oil production. I also use SA, and have wondered the same about my skin. I keep thinking it seems like there is more oil, maybe because my pores are opening up more due to the exfoliation? Either way, I have oil in pores I never noticed before, and maybe the SA IS the culprit. I have tried so many regimens as well, and it is hard to distinquish what results I get from what, be them negative or positive. I as well like the idea of a gentle routine. I will definately try this this weekend. I makes perfect sense. I have tried the vinegar before, but possibly did not dilute it well enough. I was very sensitive to it, but I will do the 1:8 ratio this time. Hmmmm, It scares me to think of stoping the SA, I know it has antibacterial properties as well. But I wll try this...you never know!! Good luck everyone!
Posted 12 November 2004 - 11:36 AM
I have found that SA is beneficial in unclogged pores and exfoliating, and it is antibacterial. But if it causes the skin glands to overproduce oil at the same time, it is counter-productive. I have had good results with SA, initally, but it doesn't seem to last. It also makes my skin red. I want to find a regimen that cures the acne problem without irritating my skin. It sounds like Delna's program could work. I have tried vinegar before, too. But I never combined it with baking soda, and the whole pH balance thing makes perfect sense. I am hoping the B5 does its job, and if so, my skin will be less oily and prone to acne. Then, if I am washing with a gentle cleanser and exfoliating without irritating my skin, I should be in good shape. I never liked BP because it always made my skin pink and sensitive. Salicylic acid does this as well, but to a lesser degree. I am hoping that this simple, inexpensive, and gentle routine will be the answer.
Good luck. Keep us posted.
Posted 12 November 2004 - 12:01 PM
I woke up and the first thing I thought of was if anything I did last night worked which was:
Baking powder (not soda) scrub
1:10 ratio of Apple cider vinnegar - I want to start at the bottom and work up to avoid breakouts
And the mask.
My first impression:
It seemed my red marks have faded dramticly, I'll keep doing this nightly, but one question. Even with such a low concentrate ACV mixture, my face was still a little red when I applied, but when I woke up this morning I saw no bad effects. Should I keep using this delna? Anyone?
Posted 12 November 2004 - 12:25 PM
Have you stopped your SA use? I am curious what your results were. Also, how much B5 do you take daily? I am taking Spironolactone for decreasing oil production, but am having bad side effects. I have always thought that you would have to take thousands of milligrams of B5 to notice improvement.? What is your dosage amount, and have your seen results?
I also do not care for BP. My skin is extremely sensitive as well...that is why I am a little leary of trying the vinegar again. I will just dilute heavily. I do feel the need to apply something after cleansing, exfoliating(Baking Soda), and balancing(Vinegar)...an anti-bacterial product....anyone have any suggestions besides BP or SA? Maybe I should just moisturize and be done. ????
How wonderful would it be for this easy, inexpensive regimen to work well enough to balance our skin, and help clear and decrease red marks in the process????
Keeping my fingers crossed.