Don't you have to believe in something...
Posted 08 November 2004 - 06:18 PM
He always talks about the placebo effect when it comes to things like colonics or liver flushing. Now I completely agree that there is something to placebo effects.
What I am wondering is, if the placebo effect was all it took to get rid of acne,
I am just wondering why so many of us have had NO luck with creams and other
I would think these things, in our minds, would have much more of a placebo effect on acne than anything like a flush, since they are designed specifically FOR acne..yet so many of us have had no luck with them.
Side note: I have done quite a few colon cleanses in my life, and every time I am on one my skin gets really clear..but as soon as I actually FEED myself I break out again..how annoying.
Posted 08 November 2004 - 06:31 PM
Posted 08 November 2004 - 07:26 PM
When that didn't work, I tried saw palmetto herb. Did nothing. I had already tried the 20 or so other things I listed above.
If the liverflush is a placebo, then so many people wouldn't have documented results. And I'm talking about real blood test results; not just acne, but lowered cholesterol and other things as well.
Posted 08 November 2004 - 07:47 PM
Posted 08 November 2004 - 08:25 PM
"If the liverflush is a placebo, then so many people wouldn't have documented results."
That's one problem, Deni. There AREN'T "so many people" with "documented results." Documents implies something scientific or credible -- a website with "testimonials" isn't documentation. Nor is the fake lab report that someone reported as incredible a while back.
And placebo's work in strange ways that cannot be concluded as false by saying, "Oh but I REALLY REALLY believed in ____ and it didn't work." It's one part of the mind we're still trying to understand.
Posted 09 November 2004 - 08:57 AM
it's too bad most of us can't tap into that part of our brain and cure our acne without going to drastic measures such as liver flushes.
Posted 09 November 2004 - 01:12 PM
There are a few companies I can recommend you that are, well basically on the edge of mainstream science BUT are backed completely by research, experiementation, and is proven by hundreds of people.
Innertalk was featured on the discovery channel and is the ablsolute best in subliminal, it you can even call it that(free Mp3 on their site that ends stress).
Neural-Programmer uses binaural beats to change your brain wavelengths(reduces anxiety, stress, depression, procrastination, insomnia, increases creativity, analytical thinking, IQ increase(At Arizona state and at a few other universities they have documented an average increase of 17% in IQ points)). This works amazing when in congunction with innertalk or any subliminal program. You can get a free 30 day shareware version of a similar program by getting the brainwave generator, although they don't tell you the settings to increase your IQ(It has the opposite effect on gial count and synapse firing that things like smoking weed has).
Finally, the volition thoughthouse that you may have seen is the capstone in all this. Their book changed me completely. If you have the right mindset you can replace the above two with techniques using this book but it does work best when they are combined. Apart form my amazing leap in creativity, my documented increase in reading speed(yes I had my before and after ability tested) went from just over 350WPM to 26000WPM WITH a retention rate improvement of 15% to a total of 89%.
Now the above isn't even the part of the book that amazed me(as I know there are other programs that teach people to photo read at a few hundred thousand WPM, which is also backed by science). The thing that really improved all areas of my mind was the thinking method used to expand your IQ, increase all levels of reasoning, etc... It's basically a form of image streaming, only this method combines the proven techniques of two of the greatest thinkers in history, Einstein and Socrates.
Basically you can thank the vast majority of new inventions and ideas to this method, although some may not realize that they're doing it. For thousands of years people have been learning this way and small populations such as Greece have produced more geniuses(yes, it's not just a born trait) per capita than any other civilization in the world. The same thing happened when the renissance hit and innovation exploded.
Einstein used a method of creative thinking that was used my many before him BUT only really came to the public's eye when he confessed usage of it. His visual thought sessions that he went into gave him the idea of relativity, and most of his other theories. The thing about this method is that through the law of diminishing returns your IQ will only increase a certain amount, some thinking up to 35 points or so BUT all your cognitive abilities will grow in infinite amounts. Have any of you read Moby Dick? Remember the patchquilt chapter, where he took the whole thing to describe that one object and he never repeated himself? He was using a variation of this method that increases creativite thinking. Tesla thought of the elec. system using these visual thechniques, we got organic chemistry though this way as well.
Do a google search on the Einsteinian and Socratic method, where you can find totally free step by step instructions to accomplish this.
I suppose you don't have to go overboard with this stuff like I did, and I suppose you can relate me to those who liver flush in my pursuit for alternative methods of learning but this works so well. I would say that the biggest thing university has taught me was how to learn but now that I've found these methods, I felt like it was all a waste of my money(the schooling). I started this because I knew that I was smart and could accomplish so much, but wasn't getting the returns I wanted from school. After only a few months on this I'm laughing at things that scared me before like calculus and advanced law. I have a photographic memory now, I can read textbook chapters in 30 seconds instead of 30 minutes and I retain more information, my creative ability has skyrocketed and I now can solve even complex problems with ease and with none of the anxiety I had before. I am starting to write Jazz on the piano, I'm in the process of learning 2 languages, and I'm researching a business that I'd like to start. I'm in my last year of school and everything comes so easy to me now(I'm doing all the above in my spare time).
For the record, no I don'thave any affiliation with these companies(which is why I gave you hints of where to find the free ones online), and yes, I am trumpeting them. I swear if the modern school system just used these methods(especially the Socratic and Einsteinian methods) our society would have already found the cure to every disease, we wouldn't be dependant on fossil fuels, there would be fewer, if any, wars, etc...
Posted 09 November 2004 - 03:17 PM
i, however, was more speaking about curing acne with the mind. i think it could be done (for some people anyway)...we just can't tap into that part of our brain. unless these programs could be used to cure disease?...
Posted 09 November 2004 - 06:08 PM
Posted 09 November 2004 - 06:32 PM
And yes, people CAN cure serious disease through meditation.
Posted 09 November 2004 - 08:15 PM
Posted 10 November 2004 - 02:05 PM
Hmm...where would one find these beats to listen to?
Relaxation tapes or something like that?
Posted 10 November 2004 - 03:56 PM
Posted 10 November 2004 - 04:55 PM
It doesn't have to be a really low frequency either for your brain to register the beats. For instance if you take 2 tones, one at 20Hz and the other at 22Hz, your brain will pick up the difference of the two Hz and thus gives the effect of a delta wave. The 2Hz is not really there but you brain creates this little illusion and thus, you have entrainment.
If you combines this with visual, it will literally transform your state in seconds. Eg. adding binaural beats of 10Hz with a flashing led 10x per second. I know people who use this as a sort of mild LSD, becuase it produces the same effect if used properly and swept in the right frequencies.
The relation to acne is that using subliminal programming or positive reinforcement form youself while using these beats, you can change your brainwaves to a more accepting state. YOu can learn faster, meditate deeper than ever before or just relax with no effort(it once knocked me out I was so relaxed but that was with a person that knew exactly how to control the beats and how to sweep them), you can easily and quickly reinforce ideas into your brain. This reinforcing idea could be that you do have clear skin, or that you are getting clearer each day, or that you exercise each day,etc... whatever you want to believe will clear your acne.
Your brain can and does react to frequencies well outside of the range your ears pick up. People in recording studios know this and many use sounds we can't hear to ellicit reations to the music. For instance most adults can't hear over 20kHz, but our brain can register these noises because they still are emitting frequencies and thus many CD are filled with waves we can't hear to either relax us, get us revved up, etc...
Posted 10 November 2004 - 04:56 PM
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