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Posted 27 July 2014 - 11:50 AM

Think about that for a minute. The acne is caused by diet claims are ludicrous. Acne is a hormonal disease  with a strong genetic link (bad acne tends to run in families). 

 

Stop with the conspiracies. 



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Posted 27 July 2014 - 12:01 PM

2 posts. No one smart ever said diet caused acne. Acne is caused by unblanced hormones food can infact agravate inflamation=/=acne and make it worse. Milk, cheese and meats high in fat wont hel. All filled with cheap hormones 



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Posted 27 July 2014 - 12:15 PM

2 posts. No one smart ever said diet caused acne. Acne is caused by unblanced hormones food can infact agravate inflamation=/=acne and make it worse. Milk, cheese and meats high in fat wont hel. All filled with cheap hormones 

 

Funny, my derm tested my hormones and they were all within normal limits. Which apparently is not unusual. 



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Posted 27 July 2014 - 12:33 PM

food can mess with your hormones which can cause acne = milk , meat 

 

otherwise why would millions on people who cured there acne write and make a video about it ? screw the derm , the derm doesnt know anything besides tell you basic things and making you waste money


Edited by LeadingForce, 27 July 2014 - 12:35 PM.


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 12:35 PM

I don't know why I'm answering another one of these stupid posts that are made about five times a year but, here I go.

It doesn't cause acne, it affects neatly all of the factors that lead to acne. You'll find plenty of details on that if you were here to read, learn and discuss, rather than to troll.

It also affects your puberty. How traumatic/dramatic the changes are, how early it happens, etc.
Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 12:47 PM

I don't know why I'm answering another one of these stupid posts that are made about five times a year but, here I go.

It doesn't cause acne, it affects neatly all of the factors that lead to acne. You'll find plenty of details on that if you were here to read, learn and discuss, rather than to troll.

It also affects your puberty. How traumatic/dramatic the changes are, how early it happens, etc.

 

Wow I asked a simple question and you're giving me an overly hostile response which is honestly unneeded. You don't know what trolling is, if you want trolling head over to a gaming forum. Debating the accusation that acne is induced (in a certain degree) is not trolling.

 

I have eaten a healthy diet literally my entire life and have not had any improvement in regards to my skin. The only thing that worked for me for a while was Accutane and then I experienced a relapse. It's not like I'm having my face stuffed with junk food- believe me I have tried to control my acne with diet and it never proved successful. 



food can mess with your hormones which can cause acne = milk , meat 

 

otherwise why would millions on people who cured there acne write and make a video about it ? screw the derm , the derm doesnt know anything besides tell you basic things and making you waste money

 

No one has ever "cured" their acne (acne doesn't have a cure, not even Accutane) and if they have found a way to *manage it * through lifestyle it's certainly not in the millions. I don't pay any money to see a derm, it's free. What are you talking about?


Edited by Wishonastar, 27 July 2014 - 09:19 PM.


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 12:53 PM

You did not simply ask a question.   If you are merely wanting to discuss how diet affects acne, then chose some better words in which you don't call us ludicrous.

Also, btw, acne really isn't a hormonal disease. Your hormones just aggravate the problem. Its an inflammatory condition. Which is of course, also genetically influenced.

And You probably only think you eat healthy.


Edited by alternativista, 27 July 2014 - 05:59 PM.

Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 12:59 PM

If you are merely wanting to discuss how diet affects acne, then chose some better words in which you don't call us ludicrous.

Also, btw, acne really isn't a hormonal disease. Your hormones just aggravate the problem. Its an inflammatory condition. Which is of course, also genetically influenced.

And You probably only think you eat healthy.

 

I said it was both hormonal and genetic. 

 

I am quadriplegic so I am *placed* on a very healthy diet in order to keep my health in order specifically my bladder and bowels. I have a nutritionist and I follow the diet they prescribed for me. I have no movement from the shoulders down and am dependent on a ventilator to breathe so it's not like I can just go and open a bag of chips at will and blow my diet.


Edited by Wishonastar, 27 July 2014 - 01:00 PM.


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 01:06 PM

There's stress too. So many factors...it's not even worth discusing it makes one go crazy



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Posted 27 July 2014 - 01:25 PM


If you are merely wanting to discuss how diet affects acne, then chose some better words in which you don't call us ludicrous.
Also, btw, acne really isn't a hormonal disease. Your hormones just aggravate the problem. Its an inflammatory condition. Which is of course, also genetically influenced.
And You probably only think you eat healthy.

 
I said it was both hormonal and genetic. 
 
I am quadriplegic so I am *placed* on a very healthy diet in order to keep my health in order specifically my bladder and bowels. I have a nutritionist and I follow the diet they prescribed for me. I have no movement from the shoulders down and am dependent on a ventilator to breathe so it's not like I can just go and open a bag of chips at will and blow my diet.


Yeah, I've seen what nutritionists think make up an adequate diet. In addition to the bad advice TV nutritionists give out, My mother spent months in a hospital recovering from a stroke and broken bone. They fed her crap. And was allowed more crap for snacks. It's a good thing I was there to at least supplement her diet with food that contained nutrients. I couldn't do much about all the refined carbs she was fed in her meals.

Nutritionists design our school lunches too. Also Crap. And look at their health as a result. What we call junk food isn't the only junk in our diets today. Many people eating what they think is a wholesome home cooked meal are eating empty calories and trans fats.

Edited by alternativista, 27 July 2014 - 01:25 PM.

Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 04:05 PM

 


If you are merely wanting to discuss how diet affects acne, then chose some better words in which you don't call us ludicrous.
Also, btw, acne really isn't a hormonal disease. Your hormones just aggravate the problem. Its an inflammatory condition. Which is of course, also genetically influenced.
And You probably only think you eat healthy.

 
I said it was both hormonal and genetic. 
 
I am quadriplegic so I am *placed* on a very healthy diet in order to keep my health in order specifically my bladder and bowels. I have a nutritionist and I follow the diet they prescribed for me. I have no movement from the shoulders down and am dependent on a ventilator to breathe so it's not like I can just go and open a bag of chips at will and blow my diet.


Yeah, I've seen what nutritionists think make up an adequate diet. In addition to the bad advice TV nutritionists give out, My mother spent months in a hospital recovering from a stroke and broken bone. They fed her crap. And was allowed more crap for snacks. It's a good thing I was there to at least supplement her diet with food that contained nutrients. I couldn't do much about all the refined carbs she was fed in her meals.

Nutritionists design our school lunches too. Also Crap. And look at their health as a result. What we call junk food isn't the only junk in our diets today. Many people eating what they think is a wholesome home cooked meal are eating empty calories and trans fats.

 

 

I am am educated about nutrition and have a great team of specialists managing my care and nutrition not some two-bit side of the road nutritionist.

 

You seem awfully negative towards medical professionals. What's your deal? What makes you think you know everything about nutrition?



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Posted 27 July 2014 - 04:14 PM

She thinks that oranges cause acne.


@TemperateCent ; . The reason you still have acne is because you deserve it. 


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 04:20 PM

Think about that for a minute. The acne is caused by diet claims are ludicrous. Acne is a hormonal disease  with a strong genetic link (bad acne tends to run in families). 

 

Stop with the conspiracies. 

 

Necessary vs. sufficient conditions. Puberty is (usually) a necessary condition for acne formation - but is not sufficient to cause acne on its own. Puberty brings many changes, and it's easy to imagine that one of them (hormones, skin structure, etc) might be the puzzle piece that allows the acne cycle to move forward.

 

Food antigens can be conditionally sufficient to cause acne - that is, if necessary conditions such as puberty are fulfilled, food antigens are sometimes sufficient to cause acne. Before puberty, it's simple to imagine a scenario whereby food antigens are causing an immune response, but because of the lack of X (X being a hormone or skin structure), no comedones form.



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Posted 27 July 2014 - 04:21 PM

Think about that for a minute. The acne is caused by diet claims are ludicrous. Acne is a hormonal disease  with a strong genetic link (bad acne tends to run in families). 

 

Stop with the conspiracies. 

 

Necessary vs. sufficient conditions. Puberty is (usually) a necessary condition for acne formation - but is not sufficient to cause acne on its own. Puberty brings many changes, and it's easy to imagine that one of them (hormones, skin structure, etc) might be the puzzle piece that allows the acne cycle to move forward.

 

Food antigens can be conditionally sufficient to cause acne - that is, if necessary conditions such as puberty are fulfilled, food antigens are sometimes sufficient to cause acne. Before puberty, it's simple to imagine a scenario whereby food antigens are causing an immune response, but because of the lack of X (X being a hormone or skin structure), no comedones form.

False


@TemperateCent ; . The reason you still have acne is because you deserve it. 


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 04:23 PM

 

 


If you are merely wanting to discuss how diet affects acne, then chose some better words in which you don't call us ludicrous.
Also, btw, acne really isn't a hormonal disease. Your hormones just aggravate the problem. Its an inflammatory condition. Which is of course, also genetically influenced.
And You probably only think you eat healthy.

 
I said it was both hormonal and genetic. 
 
I am quadriplegic so I am *placed* on a very healthy diet in order to keep my health in order specifically my bladder and bowels. I have a nutritionist and I follow the diet they prescribed for me. I have no movement from the shoulders down and am dependent on a ventilator to breathe so it's not like I can just go and open a bag of chips at will and blow my diet.


Yeah, I've seen what nutritionists think make up an adequate diet. In addition to the bad advice TV nutritionists give out, My mother spent months in a hospital recovering from a stroke and broken bone. They fed her crap. And was allowed more crap for snacks. It's a good thing I was there to at least supplement her diet with food that contained nutrients. I couldn't do much about all the refined carbs she was fed in her meals.

Nutritionists design our school lunches too. Also Crap. And look at their health as a result. What we call junk food isn't the only junk in our diets today. Many people eating what they think is a wholesome home cooked meal are eating empty calories and trans fats.

 

 

I am am educated about nutrition and have a great team of specialists managing my care and nutrition not some two-bit side of the road nutritionist.

 

You seem awfully negative towards medical professionals. What's your deal? What makes you think you know everything about nutrition?

 

Medical specialists certainly know more than your average joe. It is however very easy to disagree with some professionals on the basis of logic; they are taught to know what has been studied, and ignore what has not.

 

 

Think about that for a minute. The acne is caused by diet claims are ludicrous. Acne is a hormonal disease  with a strong genetic link (bad acne tends to run in families). 

 

Stop with the conspiracies. 

 

Necessary vs. sufficient conditions. Puberty is (usually) a necessary condition for acne formation - but is not sufficient to cause acne on its own. Puberty brings many changes, and it's easy to imagine that one of them (hormones, skin structure, etc) might be the puzzle piece that allows the acne cycle to move forward.

 

Food antigens can be conditionally sufficient to cause acne - that is, if necessary conditions such as puberty are fulfilled, food antigens are sometimes sufficient to cause acne. Before puberty, it's simple to imagine a scenario whereby food antigens are causing an immune response, but because of the lack of X (X being a hormone or skin structure), no comedones form.

False

 

Care to add more? That's not much of an argument.


Edited by Quetzlcoatl, 27 July 2014 - 04:23 PM.


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 04:28 PM

She thinks that oranges cause acne.

 

Lol maybe she's the one "trolling".

 

I'm sure if you eat a terrible crap diet and you're already acne prone it will make it a bit worse (duh) but it's not like that's the cause of acne. My point is acne isn't a persons fault or because they don't know how to take care of their bodies.



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Posted 27 July 2014 - 04:43 PM

wow i actually wanted to ask the same exact question like a day ago! :0
 
what is in our bodies before puberty that allows it wont be inflammed then?
why do other ppl dont even get no acne during puberty?
the same goes with allergies and intolerances that are popular here, dont u have those from when ur born not appearing some random time at ur life? 
 
when i was small could eat dairy, grains etc just fine somehow..only had somekinda alergy from oringes (but not allways either?), would break out everywhere, but those were not acne nd it wasnt just on face (like usually it is first and only place where acne starts)
 
now ill do diff crazy health cleanses and do clean diets, supplemetns etc etc and still break out like its nothing. max few days without new breakouts. but then again i was on bad diet and also will get good skin days. diet improves skin quality a bit i think but it seems so freaking useless for acne..

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 04:53 PM

wow i actually wanted to ask the same exact question like a day ago! :0
 
what is in our bodies before puberty that allows it wont be inflammed then?
why do other ppl dont even get no acne during puberty?
the same goes with allergies and intolerances that are popular here, dont u have those from when ur born not appearing some random time at ur life? 
 
when i was small could eat dairy, grains etc just fine somehow..only had somekinda alergy from oringes (but not allways either?), would break out everywhere, but those were not acne nd it wasnt just on face (like usually it is first and only place where acne starts)
 
now ill do diff crazy health cleanses and do clean diets, supplemetns etc etc and still break out like its nothing. max few days without new breakouts. but then again i was on bad diet and also will get good skin days. diet improves skin quality a bit i think but it seems so freaking useless for acne..

 

Exactly. People for the most part when they're allergic to something have the allergy rear during childhood - not adolescence. I think it's pretty clear for those of us with food common sense that acne isn't a food allergy. 

 

I could be be wrong but I think a lot if the theories coming from this section of the forums are propelled by pseudo science. 


Edited by Wishonastar, 27 July 2014 - 09:21 PM.


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Posted 27 July 2014 - 05:01 PM

wow i actually wanted to ask the same exact question like a day ago! :0
 
what is in our bodies before puberty that allows it wont be inflammed then?
why do other ppl dont even get no acne during puberty?
the same goes with allergies and intolerances that are popular here, dont u have those from when ur born not appearing some random time at ur life? 
 
when i was small could eat dairy, grains etc just fine somehow..only had somekinda alergy from oringes (but not allways either?), would break out everywhere, but those were not acne nd it wasnt just on face (like usually it is first and only place where acne starts)
 
now ill do diff crazy health cleanses and do clean diets, supplemetns etc etc and still break out like its nothing. max few days without new breakouts. but then again i was on bad diet and also will get good skin days. diet improves skin quality a bit i think but it seems so freaking useless for acne..

 

It's the immune system. At some point, the immune systems of most people who have acne gets messed up. There are lots of ways to accomplish this. And the immune system is so modular that it is conceivable that these problems can just pop up out of seemingly nowhere (though I doubt this is the case with acne). 

 

I think it's useful to catch a glimpse of the broader picture here. Acne starts at puberty for many people - but not for all people. Let us assume that there is something about puberty that allows for acne to form, given the right conditions (a fair assumption I think). For those people who begin to get acne right as they hit puberty, it follows from the model I describe that these people were suffering from pre-existing immunological conditions - an immune response that was always there, but could not manifest itself until the crucial puberty factor came into play. 

 

Now the other people - those who get acne at some later age, be it 14, 15,18, or 25. These people already have the puberty factor. So when these people get acne, the model would predict that the cause is a 'random incidence', by which I mean an immunological change that occurs, as you describe, seemingly randomly. If we consider for a moment that these 'random incidents' are actually randomly happening, the model would predict that most acne sufferers begin to get it around puberty, because puberty would essentially be revealing 12 years of random immunological incident. So you see, it does make sense.



Exactly. People for the most part when they're allergic to something have the allergy rear during childhood - not adolescence. I think it's pretty clear for those of us with good common sense that acne isn't a good allergy. 

 

I could be be wrong but I think a lot if the theories coming from this section of the forums are propelled by pseudo science. 

 

Acne is certainly not an IgE-driven allergy such as a peanut or egg allergy seen in childhood. But there are many other antibodies involved in immunity, and whole sections of the immune system that don't bother to use antibodies. There are even other types of hypersensitivity - types 1 through 4. It is conceivable that acne, which is without question a physical manifestation of an immune response, could in some cases be propagated by food antigens, even using one of our existing definitions of hypersensitivity.



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Posted 27 July 2014 - 05:33 PM

why would those immunity incidents result in acne? a weird little growths on ur most important part face? why not just get flu?
and why its even breaking out on face at all when body can produce acne on other body parts just as well? but the 1st thing it will screw up will be your precious face for what reason?
so why does body has no aesthetical sense or priority sense whatsoever?? ok there are immunity and diff damage repair systems, liver for toxins etc but doesnt this just seems like a major error??
 
and puberty is supposed to end altho idk when?
 
also its superweird, ur trying to grow up, to form, to get better, stronger, to get good looking but instead get fuked up in various ways....
 
nd wrong immune response...dont u just fix it, basically immunity, with just taking vitamins, garlic nd such? 

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