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Posted 23 April 2014 - 02:56 PM

And let's not forget the wonders a correctly followed paleo diet and/or an antihistamine diet can do to the skin. It really depends on what the cause(s) of each person's acne is. Usually, topicals and accutane are a crutch, they don't fix profound internal problems. They just mute the body's way of signaling (=producing acne) that there is something wrong internally. The serious posters on the holistic forum try to look at the body as a whole and find the causes for the acne, not just treat the symptom itself. And usually they discover more serious health issues that needed to be addressed, as I did.  


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 03:47 PM

For every "Accutane didn't work for me" comment there are multiple success stories that run up against that. And eating clean for me might have made a small difference--it just didn't clear my skin completely. So there was some success there for me personally, just not the complete clearing I am getting from other methods. I've visited many threads on many boards and have found them fascinating and thought-provoking. The singular message I gleaned from all of this is that there is not one single method that is a cure-all for everyone--and isn't it wonderful that we have so many options? :)


Month One: 40 mg Zenatane, taken with breakfast

Month Two: 60 mg Zenatane, one taken w/lunch, one w/dinner

Month Three: 80 mg Zenatane, one taken w/lunch, one w/dinner

Skin care regimen:

a.m.: Paula's Choice acne wash Olay foaming face wash for sensitive skin, PC Hydralight toner, PC 2% BHA exfoliant, PC skin balancing antioxidant serum, PC Hydralight moisturizer and Resist SPF 30 moisturizer

 

p.m.: Kirkland cleansing wipes, Paula's Choice acne wash Olay foaming face wash for sensitive skin, PC Hydralight toner, PC 2% BHA, PC Skin Replenishing moisturizer

 

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:18 PM

For every "Accutane didn't work for me" comment there are multiple success stories that run up against that. And eating clean for me might have made a small difference--it just didn't clear my skin completely. So there was some success there for me personally, just not the complete clearing I am getting from other methods. I've visited many threads on many boards and have found them fascinating and thought-provoking. The singular message I gleaned from all of this is that there is not one single method that is a cure-all for everyone--and isn't it wonderful that we have so many options? smile.png

 

Yes.  But the issue is that one option, the best option, has been labeled as 'largely ineffective.'


Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:32 PM

People can say natural remedies are ineffective, but I'm going out in the daylight with 100% clear skin, so that ends that argument. I say this as a former BP addict. It took me forever before I could psychologically give up the ubiquitous 10% cream.

My favorite cosmetics are sunlight, jojoba oil, epsom salt baths, plenty of sleep, and lots of vegetable juice, and...

 

let's be real people...

 

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100% natural, baby! Call it a niche, or whatever you want to call it... We are curing our acne; Everyone else is just treating the symptoms.


Suffered from acne as a young adult that went into remission when put on hormonal birth control. Went off the HBC around age 22 and the acne returned with a vengeance (along with a host of other hormonal complaints). 100% clear with a modified diet that excludes dairy, sugars, grains, citrus and cured meats and emphasizes whole food-based nutrition from both plant and animal sources, most notably organ meats like liver and juiced whole vegetables. I have included a recipe for the most helpful juice I have come up with for skin complaints. I drink it every day, and it is invaluable for acne due to the large amounts of vitamin A (carotenoids) from both the carrots and beets. It also helps improve your coloring if you are very fair, giving you a pinkish, more radiant look (not orange. Don't worry!).

 

Magic Juice

 

In a juicer, combine:

 

5-6 carrots

1 medium beet

2-3 stalks of celery

1 small apple (Green is preferred. Omit if you are very sugar-sensitive)

1 small (1inch) piece of ginger (optional, but good for digestion)

 

This makes a variable amount of juice depending on the size of the vegetables you use.

Drink this throughout the morning until it's gone. Store in the fridge not longer than one day.

Having perfectly clear skin on my wedding day was worth all the headache and effort of figuring out how diet affects acne!

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 06:59 PM

What is real science to you? Weren't you the one saying you didn't want to take accutane because you were afraid of side effects? Well, then why not try one of these diets and skip the accutane? You are just angry because you couldn't figure out a way to make your acne go away naturally, and now you are bashing everyone who has. 


Edited by WishClean, 23 April 2014 - 07:01 PM.

Supplements: inositol, DIM [had to stop for now, don't seem to need them anymore!], digestive enzymes [don't need them every day anymore, only on cheat days], herpanacine & vitamin C with rose hips [not every day], regular sun exposure for vitamin D3, superoxide dismutase (SOD) enzyme supplements, magnesium citrate. 

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 08:01 PM

I think the type of acne plays the biggest role in how effective a treatment will be.  An adult with bad nodular acne will probably benefit from accutane. On the other hand, taking accutane for mild/moderate acne is probably overkill.  ID the kind of pimples you get and then work out why.  Teenagers with mild/moderate acne are going through puberty and could probably benefit from using BP for a few years until they "grow out of it".  As you start getting into your twenties you should consider environmental and lifestyle factors that are causing your acne.  I think for accutane the general rule of thumb should be if your pimples hurt you should consider it.  Diet probably won't do much for a teenager with raging hormones.

 

I tried a bunch of diets and didn't get clear (got worse) but I became much more aware of what I put in my body which is a huge positive.  I stopped using cleansers and chemicals on my face and I'm doing much, much better.  I have no problem with Dan promoting his own product since BP probably gets the most consistent results for teenagers and young people who only have acne for a few years.  I think he is a little liberal with his promotion of accutane (it's best for nodular acne) but it is his call in the end.  

 

My guess is most people who are forum members are in their late teens or older but the majority of acne.org site visitors are teenagers.  For this reason, Dan says BP is the most effective treatment.  If BP can help teenagers combat the symptoms of acne for a little while during their formative years I'm all for it.


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Posted 23 April 2014 - 09:15 PM

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 09:45 PM

First of all, when I make claims I back them up with studies that show effectiveness. I also back up my theories with my own experience and research. I have a doctorate and I know how to do productive research as well as how to use my own judgment. 

Statistics are nothing in this case because, as stated before, alternative treatments are not deemed worthy enough by pharmaceutical companies to be quantified into data. But still, there are studies on the impact of some vitamins on acne, specifically B5,B8, and vitamin A - which is where Roche got the idea, from an old vitamin remedy. Most synthetic drugs are actually synthetic forms of those "home" remedies you are so judgmental of. Where do you think the raw material come from? Another planet?

 

I didn't say you are sick and unhealthy...but everyone could be healthier. And the fact that diet and whatever else you consider natural has failed you just means you weren't following the right kind of regimen for your body. Healthy means a variety of things, and not all of those will fit you. I tried every kind of topical, antibiotic, and hormonal pills before seeing what they did to my body, so I am here to inform people who are willing to be receptive to other methods. 



I think the type of acne plays the biggest role in how effective a treatment will be.  An adult with bad nodular acne will probably benefit from accutane. On the other hand, taking accutane for mild/moderate acne is probably overkill.  ID the kind of pimples you get and then work out why.  Teenagers with mild/moderate acne are going through puberty and could probably benefit from using BP for a few years until they "grow out of it".  As you start getting into your twenties you should consider environmental and lifestyle factors that are causing your acne.  I think for accutane the general rule of thumb should be if your pimples hurt you should consider it.  Diet probably won't do much for a teenager with raging hormones.

 

I tried a bunch of diets and didn't get clear (got worse) but I became much more aware of what I put in my body which is a huge positive.  I stopped using cleansers and chemicals on my face and I'm doing much, much better.  I have no problem with Dan promoting his own product since BP probably gets the most consistent results for teenagers and young people who only have acne for a few years.  I think he is a little liberal with his promotion of accutane (it's best for nodular acne) but it is his call in the end.  

 

My guess is most people who are forum members are in their late teens or older but the majority of acne.org site visitors are teenagers.  For this reason, Dan says BP is the most effective treatment.  If BP can help teenagers combat the symptoms of acne for a little while during their formative years I'm all for it.

Yes, I see your point here and you stated it well, unlike some other arguments posted below yours. 

I got worse with some diets too...they just weren't right for me and I had to get extensive blood work to figure out what my issue was with diet. It's all about finding the right regimen for you, as I was saying before. 

Well, the BP I tried it in the past and my skin became dependent on it and I also developed a sensitivity to it. It's good for marketing purposes to advertise something that needs to be used long term and cannot be abruptly stopped otherwise the acne returns. But Dan made it clear that it's an ongoing treatment. I was looking for something that will prevent the acne from forming, not keep it at bay when used every day. 

Acne conglobata might be the only thing that accutane should be reserved for, and perhaps severe cases of nodular acne. But many accutane posts come from users with mild acne...I had doctors push accutane when my acne was mild and they made it seem as though I had no other options. 

Anyway, as I said numerous times before, I am here to show people that there are other options and did not like the way some people dismissed natural cures and the stories of those who got clear doing it their own way. 



 

Yes.  But the issue is that one option, the best option, has been labeled as 'largely ineffective.'

 ^^^ THIS WAS THE ENTIRE POINT OF THIS THREAD. Thanks for restating it.



And in case you are not familiar with my story, take a look at my progress photos. No drugs, no topicals, just research, forums, trial and error, and lots of persistence. https://imageshack.c...r/WishClean28/a


Edited by WishClean, 23 April 2014 - 09:29 PM.

Supplements: inositol, DIM [had to stop for now, don't seem to need them anymore!], digestive enzymes [don't need them every day anymore, only on cheat days], herpanacine & vitamin C with rose hips [not every day], regular sun exposure for vitamin D3, superoxide dismutase (SOD) enzyme supplements, magnesium citrate. 

Lifestyle & Skin Care: Low histamine diet, avoiding unnecessary stress, balancing skin's PH (using Image Ormedics), using distilled/ filtered water to wash face, occasional high frequency facials...

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 09:56 PM

Do those who promote natural alternatives even have real acne? Because people with legitimately serious acne are going to do what works. When you can get clear with something like the regimen or suffer through debilitating acne as a permanent guinea pig for holistic experiments, the choice is obvious. The search for plausible natural alternatives is as promising as the search for the Holy Grail.

I welcome you all to study natural alternatives and I genuinely hope we get to a point in the future in which these can be deemed effective. But as of now they're not. Most success stories consist of hearsay from someone's cousin's friend's aunt. Natural remedies simply aren't working for adult inflammatory acne. And I wish I could say otherwise.

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 10:04 PM

Do those who promote natural alternatives even have real acne? Because people with legitimately serious acne are going to do what works. When you can get clear with something like the regimen or suffer through debilitating acne as a guinea pig for holistic experiments, the choice is obvious. The search for plausible natural alternatives is as promising as the search for the Holy Grail.

I welcome you all to study natural alternatives and I genuinely hope we get to a point in the future in which these can be deemed effective. But as of now they're not. Most success stories consist of hearsay from someone's cousin's friend's aunt. Natural remedies simply aren't working for adult inflammatory acne. And I wish I could say otherwise.

Did you see my photos? Click the link above if you haven't and then you can say whatever you want. If that wasn't "real acne" I don't know what is. I am not a teenager, I am an adult and I had adult acne. What do you have to say about that? The fact that some people on this site mocked me a year ago when I was struggling made me even more persistent to find a treatment that wasn't hard on my body. Part of the reason for the acne was all the bullshit I was prescribed throughout the years that weakened my immune system and caused digestive and gut issues. 

 

Integrative medicine is becoming widely accepted in the medical community, which shows that these "holy grail" alternatives are slowly becoming incorporated into the field. Maybe in the future the pharmaceutical companies will think of ways to capitalize on them, just as the supplements industry is doing right now. 


Edited by WishClean, 23 April 2014 - 10:04 PM.

Supplements: inositol, DIM [had to stop for now, don't seem to need them anymore!], digestive enzymes [don't need them every day anymore, only on cheat days], herpanacine & vitamin C with rose hips [not every day], regular sun exposure for vitamin D3, superoxide dismutase (SOD) enzyme supplements, magnesium citrate. 

Lifestyle & Skin Care: Low histamine diet, avoiding unnecessary stress, balancing skin's PH (using Image Ormedics), using distilled/ filtered water to wash face, occasional high frequency facials...

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 10:28 PM

Do those who promote natural alternatives even have real acne? Because people with legitimately serious acne are going to do what works. When you can get clear with something like the regimen or suffer through debilitating acne as a permanent guinea pig for holistic experiments, the choice is obvious. The search for plausible natural alternatives is as promising as the search for the Holy Grail.
I welcome you all to study natural alternatives and I genuinely hope we get to a point in the future in which these can be deemed effective. But as of now they're not. Most success stories consist of hearsay from someone's cousin's friend's aunt. Natural remedies simply aren't working for adult inflammatory acne. And I wish I could say otherwise.


Very well put! I live a very healthy lifestyle and since I've started eating clean, I've felt a lot better. But unfortunately there was no significant change in my acne. I wish there would have been.

Month One: 40 mg Zenatane, taken with breakfast

Month Two: 60 mg Zenatane, one taken w/lunch, one w/dinner

Month Three: 80 mg Zenatane, one taken w/lunch, one w/dinner

Skin care regimen:

a.m.: Paula's Choice acne wash Olay foaming face wash for sensitive skin, PC Hydralight toner, PC 2% BHA exfoliant, PC skin balancing antioxidant serum, PC Hydralight moisturizer and Resist SPF 30 moisturizer

 

p.m.: Kirkland cleansing wipes, Paula's Choice acne wash Olay foaming face wash for sensitive skin, PC Hydralight toner, PC 2% BHA, PC Skin Replenishing moisturizer

 

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Posted 23 April 2014 - 10:55 PM

The point of the thread was to give other approaches a chance through the rhetoric of this site, particularly the labeling. It wasn't meant to start a debate about diets and whether or not they work. But of course, if you tried what you consider a healthy diet (healthy is very broadly and subjectively defined) and it failed you, then there are 2 reasons for it:

1. It wasn't the right diet for you

2. Your acne is not diet related. It could be hormonal, bacterial, or something else.There are non-drug related remedies for those too. 

 

I addressed both my food sensitivities and hormonal imbalances by identifying the types of acne I had and the symptoms, and my medical history. I used supplements, herbs, a very specific diet (not the popular ones on the diet forum either, just my own customizable meal plans based on bloodwork results), skin balancing and other stuff listed in my signature. I was very methodical about it and yes, I made errors along the way...experiments fail sometimes, but I was convinced that there were other options because I had done it before. So to whoever thinks holistic healing is non scientific, take a look at my posts and my approach and see that there is science behind it. Not a narrow-minded definition of science, a broader understanding of how science and holistic methods can work synergistically to discover what and why triggers acne. And btw, there is a field called NUTRIGENETICS that is specifically concerned with the impact of nutrient deficiencies on the body. 

 My progress in pictures: https://imageshack.c...r/WishClean28/a


Supplements: inositol, DIM [had to stop for now, don't seem to need them anymore!], digestive enzymes [don't need them every day anymore, only on cheat days], herpanacine & vitamin C with rose hips [not every day], regular sun exposure for vitamin D3, superoxide dismutase (SOD) enzyme supplements, magnesium citrate. 

Lifestyle & Skin Care: Low histamine diet, avoiding unnecessary stress, balancing skin's PH (using Image Ormedics), using distilled/ filtered water to wash face, occasional high frequency facials...

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 06:11 AM

As WishClean demonstrated, my comment about holistic supporters not having "real acne" was inaccurate. So I sincerely apologize for my broad blanket statement.

I have tried MANY of these treatments myself with minimal results. And it seems that I only hear stray stories of these remedies actually working. But I DO appreciate those who genuinely explore natural treatments. I hope in the future there is some way we can make these work and cure acne naturally. So, people like WishClean dedicating time to test these treatments is important.

Just wanted to clarify. Even though I think alternative methods are not yet effective for the mainstream, I hope we get to a point in which they are.

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Posted 24 April 2014 - 07:31 AM

And if they do work with someone, it is more often than not that they won't work on the next person.

 

Much like with pharmaceuticals.




Just wanted to clarify. Even though I think alternative methods are not yet effective for the mainstream, I hope we get to a point in which they are.

 

That makes no sense.  How would we 'get to a point?'  What kind of super industrialized process do you imagine is necessary to get us to that point?  They already are affective and always have been.  



I think the type of acne plays the biggest role in how effective a treatment will be.  An adult with bad nodular acne will probably benefit from accutane. On the other hand, taking accutane for mild/moderate acne is probably overkill.  ID the kind of pimples you get and then work out why.  Teenagers with mild/moderate acne are going through puberty and could probably benefit from using BP for a few years until they "grow out of it".  As you start getting into your twenties you should consider environmental and lifestyle factors that are causing your acne.  I think for accutane the general rule of thumb should be if your pimples hurt you should consider it.  Diet probably won't do much for a teenager with raging hormones.

 

Sorry. But I had severe nodular acne. And grotesquely oily skin and other forms of inflamed & noninflamed acne.  2 Courses of accutane and a decade of antibiotics & topicals did nothing for me.  My diet, on otherhand, cleared my skin & keeps it clear. 

 

The reason accutane didn't help the nodules is because they were a reaction to a food intolerance.  As I believe they tend to be and are not true acne at all. Especially in adults.  And regardless, the best treatment for inflamed acne is an anti-inflammatory diet.  Now, on the rare occasions when I do get a reaction that results in a nodule formation, it is far smaller, less inflamed and heals far faster than before I learned the truth about diet.

 

But I will agree that diet won't stop puberty. All it can do is ease it.  There are plenty of researchers with theories & evidence that puberty should not be such a dramatic & traumatic process which occurs earlier & earlier due to diet & chemical exposure.



Why can most people eat fast food and not get acne?

 

Sigh.  Because they don't have the various  genetic tendencies that cause them to get acne. 

 

Tell us about your diet.  I've found very few have any clue what a healthy diet is.



Do those who promote natural alternatives even have real acne?

 

Yes.

 

Because people with legitimately serious acne are going to do what works. When you can get clear with something like the regimen or suffer through debilitating acne as a permanent guinea pig for holistic experiments, the choice is obvious.

 

Yep, and so I spent a decade going to several dermatologists, taking their drugs including 2 courses of accutane, and listening to them tell me diet has nothing to do with acne.  They never helped one bit.  Nor did OTC topicals like BP.  Waste of money and waste of chemicals and trash in the environment.   Salicylic acid I think is a good topical, but it wasn't so common then.

 

But then I discovered the food intolerance that caused the worst of my severe nodular acne, eliminated the food, and it went away. When I told my dermatologist, he was completely uninterested.  I never went to a derms again until I developed rosacea.  I was given expensive prescription topical. When it ran out, I discovered aloe vera gel worked just as well.  Later, I learned diet worked even better.

 


I welcome you all to study natural alternatives and I genuinely hope we get to a point in the future in which these can be deemed effective. But as of now they're not.

Well, I appreciate that.  But I don't need someone else to deem them effective for me.  I eat the way humans are meant to eat and thus have clear skin and am not one of the sickly masses.

 

 

 Natural remedies simply aren't working for adult inflammatory acne.

 

Wrong.  And we have evidence from University & other industry research and stories that come from members of this board. Not someone's great aunt. So wrong there to.

 

 

The search for plausible natural alternatives is as promising as the search for the Holy Grail.

 

God.  Comments like that make me despair that we'll ever get out of this insane mindset that sickness is due to a lack of drugs. 



 
I have tried MANY of these treatments myself with minimal results. And it seems that I only hear stray stories of these remedies actually working. But I DO appreciate those who genuinely explore natural treatments. I hope in the future there is some way we can make these work and cure acne naturally. So, people like WishClean dedicating time to test these treatments is important.

Just wanted to clarify. Even though I think alternative methods are not yet effective for the mainstream, I hope we get to a point in which they are.

 

The future is now.  We have hundreds of stories on the nutrition board. Come on over if you want to learn.  We'll discuss your diet & habits and find your solution

 

Health is not an 'alternative' method and the mainstream is exactly who they are effective for. 

 

But I want to be clear that we acne prone people are not any more unhealthy than the clear skinned people around us. They are unhealthy too, they just don't get the symptom of acne.  Numerous genetic traits have been identified that cause our pores to clog and not theirs. You can read about it in the research on the Nutrition & Holistic board.  Also on the old research board, if that hadn't been removed.  


Edited by alternativista, 24 April 2014 - 09:51 AM.

Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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Posted 24 April 2014 - 09:57 AM

My question is still this: WHY DOES THE HOLISTIC FORUM EXIST if it's not supported even by Dan himself? That is just a contradiction and undermines the potential all those intelligent contributions could make in informing people that acne is multifaceted and can be "cured" or kept under control through a variety of methods.

 

I am confused as to why you are stating that I do not support the holistic forum. Where and when did I say I do not support that forum? Far from not supporting it, I hope to some day find a way to cure acne using only organic, natural methods and I'm glad debate continues in this area. As I stated above, I am open to this.

 

Diet & healthy lifestyle should not be lumped in with treatments like dabbing toothpaste on a pimple.   

 

And regardless, they vary in effectiveness.  Some are extremely effective. 


Edited by alternativista, 24 April 2014 - 12:21 PM.

Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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Posted 24 April 2014 - 10:32 AM

Those who say they hope that healthier methods will eventually be accepted into the mainstream should know that support starts from forums like this one. If noone supports these methods, obviously they won't become more popular. 

Sometimes I really don't know why we bother conveying this point of view if the majority is not receptive to it. The cultural conditioning that goes on in terms of the "more is more" mentality and that drugs are the only option just baffles me. 


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Posted 24 April 2014 - 12:33 PM

Wishclean said it best

 

Yes. SHE did.  In every post she made. 

 

But again, back to the point of this thread which you completely missed.  The Nutrition & health based treatments are lumped under home remedies that could be things like dotting toothpaste on a pimple.  And labeled ineffective.  When those remedies vary in effectiveness with some being very effective.

 

The diet and acne connection is also listed under acne myths.  And in the so-called "Diet and Acne- The Full Story" page, which is far from the full story, every study is scrutinized for flaws.  Where's the scrutiny of the research into pharmeceuticals?  For years they prescribed accutane without knowing how it worked. It said so in the Physician's Desk Reference.

 

Also, most of the description under  home remedies consists of this statement:

"Without the ability to penetrate the skin and delivery the oxygen needed to kill acne bacteria, any topical treatment, whether it is found in a store, pharmacy, or kitchen, is limited."

 

Which is wrong.  Bacteria is the least important factor in acne formation and not where you want to focus your efforts. Killing everything is really not the answer, in anything, but especially not your body when it comes to chronic conditions, especially harmless ones.  The bacteria belongs there. It's part of how your skin functions and is protective.  P. Acnes for example, has found to be protective against MRSA infections. As I don't want my arm or worse amputates someday, I'll be leaving my P.Acnes bacteria alone.  And yet, I keep my skin clear of my formerly severe acne.

 

Those who say they hope that healthier methods will eventually be accepted into the mainstream should know that support starts from forums like this one. If noone supports these methods, obviously they won't become more popular. 

Sometimes I really don't know why we bother conveying this point of view if the majority is not receptive to it. The cultural conditioning that goes on in terms of the "more is more" mentality and that drugs are the only option just baffles me. 

 

But everyone here isn't saying they hope one day methods will be accepted.  We hope one day healthy methods will be accepted  They hope one day a method will be found.  Which absolutely baffles me.  What do they think we will find someday?  

 

Researchers have learned what happens to you when you consume excess sugars.  What happens when you don't consume nutrients and fill up on refined carbs and industrialized fats and have poor stress, sleep & physical activity habits.  Chronic Silent Inflammation and screwed up hormones and Damaged arteries, the wrong lipid profile which then leads to chronic disease.  Which is why this society is rampant with these self inflicted chronic diseases. The inflammation, the hormones & the lipid profile also directly affect the events that lead to acne. 

 

This is what clears skin:

 

Healthy lifestyle with natural circadian cycle, stress management, physical activity and nutrient dense, anti-inflammatory, blood sugar stabilizing diet habits that don't include anything you have an intolerance for.


Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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Posted 24 April 2014 - 02:05 PM

Wishclean said it best:

 

 

to each their own. This is a polarized, pointless debate because noone is going to change each other's mind. So why do you keep arguing? Get a life.

 

Wow! And the only "arguing" I've seen on this thread was from her posts...such an angry person. Sorry you had to deal with that. If that kind of temperament comes from a holistic diet/lifestyle, no thanks--I'll keep the acne! :)


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Posted 24 April 2014 - 02:51 PM



Wishclean said it best:
 
 




to each their own. This is a polarized, pointless debate because noone is going to change each other's mind. So why do you keep arguing? Get a life.

 
Wow! And the only "arguing" I've seen on this thread was from her posts...such an angry person. Sorry you had to deal with that. If that kind of temperament comes from a holistic diet/lifestyle, no thanks--I'll keep the acne! :)
What the hell are you talking about? What's with this false attack? Maybe your drugs are making you imagine things. Or lack of nutrients maybe making it difficult to think or comprehend what you read. And easily angered. Diet affects temperament and ability to cope, you know.

This is her thread. The request was for the moderators. Most of the people jumping in here had no business doing so.

And she didn't say a single angry thing. She's never been anything but nice and helpful. That's what comes from health.

Edited by alternativista, 24 April 2014 - 02:58 PM.

Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!


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Posted 25 April 2014 - 01:02 PM

Yeesh, guys... Continue snarking and making ad-hominem attacks, noobs! We'll gladly welcome you back when you've run out of new things to slather on your zits and nothing is working for you!


Anywho, I don't really care if people call me granola, weird, wacko, etc. They're just jelly because my skin looks amazeballs and theirs doesn't. When people comment on my great skin, I tell them about how horrible it was, and that I gave up dairy, sugar, and processed foods and traded those in for vegetable juice. Having good skin is WORK. Lots of people don't want to put the hours and effort into what it takes to do it so they give up and make excuses. It's okay. I did that for a while, too. There is a sort of "why me??" that is at the heart of all acne treatments and advertising. Easy to get into a victim mindset.


Edited by dscully, 25 April 2014 - 01:03 PM.

Suffered from acne as a young adult that went into remission when put on hormonal birth control. Went off the HBC around age 22 and the acne returned with a vengeance (along with a host of other hormonal complaints). 100% clear with a modified diet that excludes dairy, sugars, grains, citrus and cured meats and emphasizes whole food-based nutrition from both plant and animal sources, most notably organ meats like liver and juiced whole vegetables. I have included a recipe for the most helpful juice I have come up with for skin complaints. I drink it every day, and it is invaluable for acne due to the large amounts of vitamin A (carotenoids) from both the carrots and beets. It also helps improve your coloring if you are very fair, giving you a pinkish, more radiant look (not orange. Don't worry!).

 

Magic Juice

 

In a juicer, combine:

 

5-6 carrots

1 medium beet

2-3 stalks of celery

1 small apple (Green is preferred. Omit if you are very sugar-sensitive)

1 small (1inch) piece of ginger (optional, but good for digestion)

 

This makes a variable amount of juice depending on the size of the vegetables you use.

Drink this throughout the morning until it's gone. Store in the fridge not longer than one day.

Having perfectly clear skin on my wedding day was worth all the headache and effort of figuring out how diet affects acne!

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