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#21 bubbles55

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Posted 07 April 2014 - 12:02 PM


Wish Clean you should goggle .... Dr. Stefan Lanka exposes the Viral fraud , a brilliant virologist and molecular biologist from Germany , fact is HIV has never been isolated only viral like particles or Polio , Hep C , etc... quite eye opening work .  HIV / AID$ is a political definition with special interest groups in the developed world and is chemically based ( street drugs / pharma drugs ) and in the third world poverty is re-labeled as AID$ that's the sad truth. I watched a documentary called House of Numbers a while back then I did some research because it sparked my interest and needless to say I was shocked . It didn't surprise me though Allopathic medicine is very corrupt .

 

Cancer Inc. would be another one notice that they have never found a cure for cancer only chemo/radiation which is toxic when in reality there are many natural cures for cancer , ESSIAC tea would be a good example it came from  native American medicine man and was given to a nurse in Canada in the early 1900's and she cured thousands of stage 4 terminal cancer. You should check out Natural News .com it's a good place for info. 

 

Im confused on this. Is he stating its fake and made up virus used to fetch billions in profit? Because when you step in the room of a patient who is severely malnourished, has Kaposi's sarcoma lesions throughout,has trouble breathing from PCP pneumonia [a type often easily defeated by a normal immune system] it hits you. This is real. This is end-stage AIDS. 

 

Its very real when you look at the medications one takes: NRTI's, NNRTI's, PI's etc. These drugs are hell on the body, and not cheap. But i doubt its all created and yet to be cured for personal gain. I could see this sort of corruption in Africa because that is just a different beast of multiple problems and corruption. But here.

 

Cancer, well when you sit down and read the #$%^ list of the many types of cancer a person can develop then you might have some respect for those that are trying to cure or treat just one form of malignant breast cancer.  Chemo/radiation are not going away because they work. Ask a survivor. Homeopathic medicine would do better as an adjuvant than a single treatment. I do not doubt its potential, but its severely undocumented and regulated. Reminds me of the movie Contagion. 

To add: the sad part of most cancers is that by the time the person finds out, by the time the person starts to suspect vague symptoms its already stage III maybe IV. That is why there is an emphasis on prevention more so now than treatment although they both are huge. Do i justify the cost of these treatments? Hell no. 

 

I am an anonymous bone marrow donor. I saved the life of a 18yr old male last year. I was his last hope after pharmaceuticals failed. Two things: do you risk the life of a loved on unknown, unproven homeopathic medicine and pray for a cure? Or do you bite the bullet and pay 1 million in expenses to save your child one something with better proven, success rate (thank god for insurance)? How much is life worth?

 

Yes, for those who are wondering, currently the going rate for a bone marrow transplant is 1 million dollars.  

 

1 million dollars for a bone marrow transplant in the U.S? In Canada that would be free. I paid nothing for all my major surgeries and radiation therapy.

 

U.S healthcare is a joke.


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Posted 07 April 2014 - 02:54 PM

Some info on the POLIO FRAUD. The POLIO fraud is one of mass proportions not far off from the AID$ FRAUD another chemically based illness and it all started with PESDICIDES first in the 1800's  LEAD ARSENATE was used and caused paralysis and then later the horrible pesticide DDT was used to spray fields , houses , kids from 1940's and up it was banned in the 1970's as they figured out all the mass destruction it was doing , but it's still used in India to this day and they wonder why they have POLIO  outbreaks there that and Lunatic Bill Gates and Co . Crippling kids in the third world countries with there  TOXIC  POLIO  vaccines  sadly a depopulation agenda by the elite..... evil suckers. 

 

And oh wait what about the POLIO  virus that was supposed to have started all of this oh ... ah....  shock horror .... it's never been isolated because IT DOES NOT EXIST.  The " isolated " POLIO viruses are artificial particles , generated by suction of an indifferent mass through a very fine filter into a vacuum. It's structure ( none characteristic structure ) differ clearly from the ones of the " viruses " in the cells . Here the information is essential  that a biochemical characterization of those " isolated " viruses is claimed " HAS NEVER BEEN PUBLISHED ANYWHERE nor has ANYBODY even CLAIMED such a characterization. POLIO  in reality is a cover up for the chemical companies and that is the  HARSH  / SAD TRUTH.

 

Yeah pretty much everything we have been told in the last 100 years or so has been a complete LIE with hidden agendas welcome to Allopathic Inc.


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 08:45 PM

 


Wish Clean you should goggle .... Dr. Stefan Lanka exposes the Viral fraud , a brilliant virologist and molecular biologist from Germany , fact is HIV has never been isolated only viral like particles or Polio , Hep C , etc... quite eye opening work .  HIV / AID$ is a political definition with special interest groups in the developed world and is chemically based ( street drugs / pharma drugs ) and in the third world poverty is re-labeled as AID$ that's the sad truth. I watched a documentary called House of Numbers a while back then I did some research because it sparked my interest and needless to say I was shocked . It didn't surprise me though Allopathic medicine is very corrupt .

 

Cancer Inc. would be another one notice that they have never found a cure for cancer only chemo/radiation which is toxic when in reality there are many natural cures for cancer , ESSIAC tea would be a good example it came from  native American medicine man and was given to a nurse in Canada in the early 1900's and she cured thousands of stage 4 terminal cancer. You should check out Natural News .com it's a good place for info. 

 

Im confused on this. Is he stating its fake and made up virus used to fetch billions in profit? Because when you step in the room of a patient who is severely malnourished, has Kaposi's sarcoma lesions throughout,has trouble breathing from PCP pneumonia [a type often easily defeated by a normal immune system] it hits you. This is real. This is end-stage AIDS. 

 

Its very real when you look at the medications one takes: NRTI's, NNRTI's, PI's etc. These drugs are hell on the body, and not cheap. But i doubt its all created and yet to be cured for personal gain. I could see this sort of corruption in Africa because that is just a different beast of multiple problems and corruption. But here.

 

Cancer, well when you sit down and read the #$%^ list of the many types of cancer a person can develop then you might have some respect for those that are trying to cure or treat just one form of malignant breast cancer.  Chemo/radiation are not going away because they work. Ask a survivor. Homeopathic medicine would do better as an adjuvant than a single treatment. I do not doubt its potential, but its severely undocumented and regulated. Reminds me of the movie Contagion. 

To add: the sad part of most cancers is that by the time the person finds out, by the time the person starts to suspect vague symptoms its already stage III maybe IV. That is why there is an emphasis on prevention more so now than treatment although they both are huge. Do i justify the cost of these treatments? Hell no. 

 

I am an anonymous bone marrow donor. I saved the life of a 18yr old male last year. I was his last hope after pharmaceuticals failed. Two things: do you risk the life of a loved on unknown, unproven homeopathic medicine and pray for a cure? Or do you bite the bullet and pay 1 million in expenses to save your child one something with better proven, success rate (thank god for insurance)? How much is life worth?

 

Yes, for those who are wondering, currently the going rate for a bone marrow transplant is 1 million dollars.  

 

1 million dollars for a bone marrow transplant in the U.S? In Canada that would be free. I paid nothing for all my major surgeries and radiation therapy.

 

U.S healthcare is a joke.

That's because insurance and or someone else fronted the cost. It is an accurate cost from the latest reports i have received. My reaction was more of shock than anger.. that came later. I work in the field but i do not justify the cost of it in some areas.

 

Canada is not what many think. My friends girlfriend was unable to deliver her baby at a local hospital in Canada because it shut down from lack of nursing staff. She had to call a hospital 60 miles away to see if she could come. They told her when she goes into true labor to call and see *if* they could fit her in otherwise she had to go elsewhere. 

 

Still think Canada's system is the better? How long to do want to wait to be seen? It ain't all sun shine and rainbows in other countries. There is always a catch.

 

 

To the person suggesting i watch this video or read about HIV,  I would love too if someone got me a link. Not that it would do me any good clinically, but it would be interesting. The thing here though is that nothing is going to change. You would need change the way doctors are taught and then again provide researched evidence based practice to even get noticed. Until that time the system will stay the same. Drug company corruption goes deeper than just the doctors who prescribe the meds. Hell the drug companies probably fund the books from the book companies the med students use to study.

 

The sad thing is both approaches do work, yet one over shadows the other. I have seen medications work wonderfully and i have seen nutrition work just as well. But this is western medicine...


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Posted 09 April 2014 - 09:20 PM

I like that the drug company's probably fund the books from the book companies the med students use to study and you would be correct sir it's called

Rockefeller medicine  practiced since the early 1900's when Pasteur the father of the " Germ Theory " was raised on a pedestal and it all went down

hill from there. On his death bed Pasteur admitted " Bernard was right it's not the Germ but the Terrain " I guess he wanted to clear his conscience lol..

 

 

Regarding the house of numbers documentary you can watch it on you tube all the parts are there free the corruption is mind blowing it really is.

But your wrong things are changing , people are waking up to the fraud / danger of allopathic medicine on a daily basis a good place to get

info would be Natural News.com and the system is collapsing / eroding as we speak. (=


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Posted 10 April 2014 - 02:23 PM

We have hospital closings and shortages of primary care personnel like that here too. That is not a symptom of Canada's system.

And yes, I still think Canada's system is better. Every other system in the developed world is better. Even though I personally don't think care should be free. You should pay something each time you use it. Something reasonable. Like it used to be here like 30 years ago when insurance was for major medical and a a doctors visit was affordable. My family of 6 never once met the 500 deductible on my fathers insurance.

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Posted 10 April 2014 - 05:20 PM

There's a lot of wrong stuff in that article.

 

First, it assumes that digestion is perfect. But let's roll with that. The article states that food is "almost totally digested by the time it leaves the duodenum". This leaves the entire stretch of the duodenum available for undigested food particles to cross. So this alone is no evidence against the so-called leaky gut theory.

 

Second, intestinal permeability is a very well known phenomenon, and has been extensively studied in athletes (vigorous exercise increases permeability). It has also been studied in cases of microbial enteritis - infection of the gut with pathogenic bacteria, fungi, or viruses. Endotoxins and exotoxins produced by infecting bacteria have been observed to cross from the intestines into the bloodstream, where they cause a variety of symptoms. These toxins are often full, undigested proteins.

 

The article neglects to realize that it doesn't matter that there are "several layers of cells" separating the intestinal lumen from the bloodstream. Proteins are tiny. The spaces between cells are larger than 1 protein. In fact, there are proteins called selectins, cadherins, and integrins that project into the intercellular spce and interact with other selectins, cadherins, and integrins to hold cells together. Depending on how many there are, the interactions between the cells can be tighter or looser, and thus permeability status can change, as is seen after a period of intense exercise.

 

Moreover, you don't even need a full protein to incite an immune response. You can have a protein fragment - say, 30 amino acids - that can induce a potent immune response. And since food is still undigested in the duodenum, there are plenty of opportunities for a 30AA fragment to cross into the bloodstream.

 

The authors of this article also seemed to forget that entire cells pass through blood vessel walls and the walls of the intestine depending on the composition of their surface proteins. How else would macrophages get around?

 

Antibody testing is a bit of a different story. IgG4 indicates downregulation of an overactive immune response - tolerance. Many food sensitivities look at IgG, and in particular IgG4. People get confused when they get their results back, and see high IgG for a whole bunch of foods that they didn't think caused them problems. And they're right - most of those foods don't cause problems, because a high IgG reading is indicative of tolerance, and not intolerance. However, there is another takeaway from the IgG tests. If you have high IgG antibodies to a certain food, that indicates that an immune response did happen, but is now being controlled. This can be indicative of a related problem. For example; if you come up sensitive to wheat and chocolate, the wheat could be causing damage, thus allowing other molecules to cross into the bloodstream and react. Your problem isn't chocolate, but rather the wheat, even though both come up as problems on the IgG test. It's also possible that a microbe is increasing permeability, and food isn't a problem at all; once the inflammation is dealt with, the problems go away. There are many of these scenarios that are possible, and it's extremely difficult to figure out which one if happening for you.

 

But what is NOT true is the idea that IgG antibody tests just don't matter. They matter. They give you information that is useful, and can indicate a problem. It is merely difficult to identify the root of the problem.

 

It's also important to note that the immune system interacts different with particles in the bloodstream as opposed to the lumen of the intestine. There's an interesting study somewhere that explained it nicely. I think you can find it on the wiki page for IgG if you're interested.



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Posted 11 April 2014 - 01:45 AM

I like that the drug company's probably fund the books from the book companies the med students use to study and you would be correct sir it's called

Rockefeller medicine  practiced since the early 1900's when Pasteur the father of the " Germ Theory " was raised on a pedestal and it all went down

hill from there. On his death bed Pasteur admitted " Bernard was right it's not the Germ but the Terrain " I guess he wanted to clear his conscience lol..

 

 

Regarding the house of numbers documentary you can watch it on you tube all the parts are there free the corruption is mind blowing it really is.

But your wrong things are changing , people are waking up to the fraud / danger of 

allopathic medicine on a daily basis a good place to get

info would be Natural News.com and the system is collapsing / eroding as we speak. (=

 

Change is coming on so many different fronts. Its hard to gauge at this point whether is a healthy change or a negative one. People are becoming aware of fraud, yet it is still happening. I just found out a major hospital is millions in debt after changing EMR's multiple times.(EMR's are mandated by the government; they are insidiously expensive). They are now in debt up to their eyeballs. They tried passing it off by charging patients extra. They got caught and were reported facing legal action. However, they raised prices and have some damn good lawyers navigating the loop holes. 

 

So while we see safe advances in medicine for efficiency and patient safety we also see prices increase, and more corruption along the way. 

 

This is one example of many. While medicine adopts new ways to treat disease of all sorts down to genetics we see an increase in price and corporate greed. If alternative medicine continues to grow because of success and recognition, big companies take notice and then attempt to buy them out. I wish i could name the institutions (corruption ones) that are greedy beyond measure that have done this, but i fear repercussion so i will say no more. I have incite to more than i wish i knew. That's why i say, although i wish for change in many aspects, the change you wish for is not what is really going to happen. Therefore nothing is really changing.

 

If your stating that western medicine is collapsing that would be a terrible thing globally. This would incite global collapse of economies, lack of jobs, disease rates increase, decreased life expectancy, possible martial law from the effects of the fallout. Watch Contagion-pray that stuff don't happen. Ever.

 

 

My friend in Denmark always remarks about the high taxes and costs, but boasts how well this medical care is. He pays in ways we don't. Give and take, 

My dear friend from Canada would have berried her son at the age of 4 if it wasn't for coming to the US to seek treatment for leukemia, the same treatment they were denied. Socialized medicine has its up and downs. Borders are open if you wish to try. I might for LASIK or PRK in the years to come. So much damn cheaper; other than that treat me in the states only. 

 

Something reasonable? That's conjecture. Something reasonable to me is all but un-affordable to the next person that must decide between food and medical treatment. This is because of a array of complexities that have drove up prices not to mention the devaluation of the dollar. This discussion will lead to things outside the realm of medical care. 

 

 

But again i do not see any decent change happening.Unless we revert as a country to complete socialism tomorrow will things be fair. 



There's a lot of wrong stuff in that article.

 

First, it assumes that digestion is perfect. But let's roll with that. The article states that food is "almost totally digested by the time it leaves the duodenum". This leaves the entire stretch of the duodenum available for undigested food particles to cross. So this alone is no evidence against the so-called leaky gut theory.

 

Second, intestinal permeability is a very well known phenomenon, and has been extensively studied in athletes (vigorous exercise increases permeability). It has also been studied in cases of microbial enteritis - infection of the gut with pathogenic bacteria, fungi, or viruses. Endotoxins and exotoxins produced by infecting bacteria have been observed to cross from the intestines into the bloodstream, where they cause a variety of symptoms. These toxins are often full, undigested proteins.

 

The article neglects to realize that it doesn't matter that there are "several layers of cells" separating the intestinal lumen from the bloodstream. Proteins are tiny. The spaces between cells are larger than 1 protein. In fact, there are proteins called selectins, cadherins, and integrins that project into the intercellular spce and interact with other selectins, cadherins, and integrins to hold cells together. Depending on how many there are, the interactions between the cells can be tighter or looser, and thus permeability status can change, as is seen after a period of intense exercise.

 

Moreover, you don't even need a full protein to incite an immune response. You can have a protein fragment - say, 30 amino acids - that can induce a potent immune response. And since food is still undigested in the duodenum, there are plenty of opportunities for a 30AA fragment to cross into the bloodstream.

 

The authors of this article also seemed to forget that entire cells pass through blood vessel walls and the walls of the intestine depending on the composition of their surface proteins. How else would macrophages get around?

 

Antibody testing is a bit of a different story. IgG4 indicates downregulation of an overactive immune response - tolerance. Many food sensitivities look at IgG, and in particular IgG4. People get confused when they get their results back, and see high IgG for a whole bunch of foods that they didn't think caused them problems. And they're right - most of those foods don't cause problems, because a high IgG reading is indicative of tolerance, and not intolerance. However, there is another takeaway from the IgG tests. If you have high IgG antibodies to a certain food, that indicates that an immune response did happen, but is now being controlled. This can be indicative of a related problem. For example; if you come up sensitive to wheat and chocolate, the wheat could be causing damage, thus allowing other molecules to cross into the bloodstream and react. Your problem isn't chocolate, but rather the wheat, even though both come up as problems on the IgG test. It's also possible that a microbe is increasing permeability, and food isn't a problem at all; once the inflammation is dealt with, the problems go away. There are many of these scenarios that are possible, and it's extremely difficult to figure out which one if happening for you.

 

But what is NOT true is the idea that IgG antibody tests just don't matter. They matter. They give you information that is useful, and can indicate a problem. It is merely difficult to identify the root of the problem.

 

It's also important to note that the immune system interacts different with particles in the bloodstream as opposed to the lumen of the intestine. There's an interesting study somewhere that explained it nicely. I think you can find it on the wiki page for IgG if you're interested.

It still will remain a theory. The day i see it on a diagnosis sheet will be the day I return here to and announce it. 

And lets say it true. Lets say it really is real different than all the other GI disorders-all of them. Is the treatment for those who suspect it successful? Is there clear, concise, and structured evidence to support that the prescribe treatment (whatever its) is actually been proven successful?

 

Has there been conducted autopsies to reveal this thinning and extra permeability of the intestinal lumen?  


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Posted 11 April 2014 - 08:07 AM

Your right allopathic medicine isn't ALL BAD but sadly most of it is , what they are good at is trauma , emergency's things like that they are very good at also some surgery's after that things tend to go bad quickly . Chronic health conditions are not there strong points . Symptom management  is what they do but to actually CURE / HEAL  a condition no....and if they do a person will usually have to deal with new conditions caused by the treatment . A lot of jobs depend on it yes but new jobs could be created if people got into traditional forms of healing that have been used successfully for thousands of years , naturopathic medicine I hear it's a growing field.  In the early 1900's naturopaths did seven times the business of Allopaths   , regular physicians  could hardly compete  and then slowly it started going down hill , the germ theory was adopted the Rockefeller  took over and the church of allopathic medicine was invented with the industrial revolution and everything from then on would be healed  ONLY by synthetic drugs , as herbs could not be patented and so no profit was to be had.

 

Interestingly enough John D Rockefeller lived to the ripe old age of 99 and only used homeopathy for the later part of his life.... that tells a story lol...


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