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Bubbles, it seems rudeness is a unifying element in your topics. Before you posted about verbally attacking a girl with severe acne and now you are being incredibly condescending to another poster for no particular reason. You state that "early 20's and mid 20's are honestly a world a way," but your posts just prove that maturity and civility have nothing to do with age.

You are articulate and I do not doubt you have a fair amount of knowledge regarding the subject at hand, but there is absolutely no need to be so incredibly unpleasant. I do not like calling people trolls because it is typically misused over a simple difference of opinion, but I cannot believe someone could be this mean without purposefully trying to start conflict.

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Bubbles55--

Thanks! I've heard it once before! Lily Cole is dreamy! I usually get Taylor Swift....(YURK!!!)

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As someone who has a DOCTORATE degree and knows how to conduct research, let me tell you this: ACNE IS MULTIFACETED. Science can't explain ALL causes of acne. Don't exclude causes and don't make absolute statements. This thread has turned into what it was trying to critique: a thread full of hatred, criticism and negativity.

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Current regimen: garlic supplements [as needed], Enzymedica gluten blocker [as needed], nicadan [not sure if it works yet]. I try to simplify as much as I can. Don't take more supplements than you need....try one at a time and be patient.

The supplements that really helped me when my acne was at its worst: inositol, DIM [not as frequently now!] digestive enzymes [don't need them every day anymore, only on cheat days], herpanacine & vitamin C with rose hips/ low acid [not every day], regular sun exposure for vitamin D3, superoxide dismutase (SOD) enzyme supplements. NOTE: I do not recommend DIM for long term use, and I do not recommend hormonal creams without doctor supervision.

Lifestyle & Skin Care: acupuncture, regular exercise/ yoga, low histamine diet, avoiding unnecessary stress, balancing skin's PH (using Image Ormedics), using distilled/ filtered water to wash face, occasional high frequency facials...

 

Grocery list:

 

** Find the cause, find the cure **

** If you have a question for me, please ask it publicly so that others can benefit from the discussion**

 

 


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I don't think anyone is arguing that we can turn our genes on and off "like a light switch" by making lifestyle changes. I was simply stating that gene expression and environment are not independent.

You're a young girl - I'm assuming 21-22 based on your picture? you have yet still a lot to learn. What you're taught in those college classes are just purported theories most of the time and not always scientifically accurate. Canadian universities are unfortunately not the best either, which is not surprising as Canada is a very mediocre country.

I'm intrigued by the number of people that seem to think that we know everything about the world. But this is demonstrably false, because science exists. There are still things we don't know. And because there are always things we won't know, we need to understand that science is just a means to approximate truth. Sometimes we like to distort the meaning of science, and we forget that double blinded, perfectly controlled studies are not the only source of information - rather, they are the best source of information. Yet other sources of information still have value. Anecdotes can sometimes see things that epidemiological studies miss on the basis of significance. Moreover, scientists are human too (I should know, I am one). Not only do scientists make mistakes, but we also need to compete for funding. This intense competition provides an incentive to overstate results, or shuffle away side effects because they fell under the threshold of significance.

When it comes to acne, we are just now beginning to break the long-held paradigm of a disease with hormonal causation. It's taken decades for us to realize that acne isn't caused by sebum, but rather by immunological events that precede bacterial colonization. This pattern of paradigm destruction and reconstruction is widespread throughout the sciences, especially within biology - we're constantly finding new pieces to the puzzles that change how we view health and states of disease. Do you really want to bet everything on the flawed and mercurial theories of biology? We use a bottom-up approach to health that's akin to building a house without looking at the blueprint. Do you think there will be no missteps? This kind of arrogance, which I'm also guilty of, has led to so much suffering. Just look at heart disease. Saturated fat intake, it's been reported, doesn't correlate with heart disease. Imagine that. All this advice from doctors and scientists for decades, and we had it wrong all along. In fact, we had it so wrong that the opposite was true. It now appears that our advice to 'eat low-fat' caused more heart disease, along with a plethora of other problems. I wonder how many people died early, and had our arrogant science to thank.

But that's not really the issue here. The issue is this: you started this thread to complain about a change in the mindset of this website's population from something you agree with, to something you disagree with. You're certainly right, too; this thread, and my response, are testament to that. But you're wrong to say that this change is inherently bad. Progress does not come from stagnation. Debates need to be had and evidence both scientific and anecdotal needs to be presented for solutions to be explored and discovered, hopefully in a reasonable manner (which doesn't always happen). I think most people would do well with a more open mind in this regard.

Still, you need to understand that those who support a more holistic solution are (usually) just trying to help. Some do it more elegantly than others. Sometimes, advice can be taken as a critique, and critique can be taken as an attack, which can devolve into accusations of scientific illiteracy or fallacy. But let me ask you this: what if these people are wrong? What if diet has no connection to acne at all, a waste of time for not just you or me, but for everyone? What if people clean up their diet, start exercising, sleep 8 hours a night, and get some sunshine, all for naught? What if, in this ridiculous example, people were able to grow and explore the realm of health a little bit for themselves, instead of just popping a few pills?

Is there really a tragedy here?

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I don't think anyone is arguing that we can turn our genes on and off "like a light switch" by making lifestyle changes. I was simply stating that gene expression and environment are not independent.

You're a young girl - I'm assuming 21-22 based on your picture? you have yet still a lot to learn. What you're taught in those college classes are just purported theories most of the time and not always scientifically accurate. Canadian universities are unfortunately not the best either, which is not surprising as Canada is a very mediocre country.

I'm intrigued by the number of people that seem to think that we know everything about the world. But this is demonstrably false, because science exists. There are still things we don't know. And because there are always things we won't know, we need to understand that science is just a means to approximate truth. Sometimes we like to distort the meaning of science, and we forget that double blinded, perfectly controlled studies are not the only source of information - rather, they are the best source of information. Yet other sources of information still have value. Anecdotes can sometimes see things that epidemiological studies miss on the basis of significance. Moreover, scientists are human too (I should know, I am one). Not only do scientists make mistakes, but we also need to compete for funding. This intense competition provides an incentive to overstate results, or shuffle away side effects because they fell under the threshold of significance.

When it comes to acne, we are just now beginning to break the long-held paradigm of a disease with hormonal causation. It's taken decades for us to realize that acne isn't caused by sebum, but rather by immunological events that precede bacterial colonization. This pattern of paradigm destruction and reconstruction is widespread throughout the sciences, especially within biology - we're constantly finding new pieces to the puzzles that change how we view health and states of disease. Do you really want to bet everything on the flawed and mercurial theories of biology? We use a bottom-up approach to health that's akin to building a house without looking at the blueprint. Do you think there will be no missteps? This kind of arrogance, which I'm also guilty of, has led to so much suffering. Just look at heart disease. Saturated fat intake, it's been reported, doesn't correlate with heart disease. Imagine that. All this advice from doctors and scientists for decades, and we had it wrong all along. In fact, we had it so wrong that the opposite was true. It now appears that our advice to 'eat low-fat' caused more heart disease, along with a plethora of other problems. I wonder how many people died early, and had our arrogant science to thank.

But that's not really the issue here. The issue is this: you started this thread to complain about a change in the mindset of this website's population from something you agree with, to something you disagree with. You're certainly right, too; this thread, and my response, are testament to that. But you're wrong to say that this change is inherently bad. Progress does not come from stagnation. Debates need to be had and evidence both scientific and anecdotal needs to be presented for solutions to be explored and discovered, hopefully in a reasonable manner (which doesn't always happen). I think most people would do well with a more open mind in this regard.

Still, you need to understand that those who support a more holistic solution are (usually) just trying to help. Some do it more elegantly than others. Sometimes, advice can be taken as a critique, and critique can be taken as an attack, which can devolve into accusations of scientific illiteracy or fallacy. But let me ask you this: what if these people are wrong? What if diet has no connection to acne at all, a waste of time for not just you or me, but for everyone? What if people clean up their diet, start exercising, sleep 8 hours a night, and get some sunshine, all for naught? What if, in this ridiculous example, people were able to grow and explore the realm of health a little bit for themselves, instead of just popping a few pills?

Is there really a tragedy here?

Quetzlcoatl, you are a fantastic writer! And I totally agree with you :)

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I don't know what this site used to be, cause I joined last year, but after I was kinda "attacked" (don't know a milder word) after a stupid rant, which this site is filled with, I basically stopped posting or opening up in here.


Diagnosed with PCOS

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Pianina, if you are referring to me among those people, then I apologize if I hurt your feelings. I was probably having a bad day and should not have criticized other people's posts in a harsh way. You should be free to post whatever and whenever you like.


Current regimen: garlic supplements [as needed], Enzymedica gluten blocker [as needed], nicadan [not sure if it works yet]. I try to simplify as much as I can. Don't take more supplements than you need....try one at a time and be patient.

The supplements that really helped me when my acne was at its worst: inositol, DIM [not as frequently now!] digestive enzymes [don't need them every day anymore, only on cheat days], herpanacine & vitamin C with rose hips/ low acid [not every day], regular sun exposure for vitamin D3, superoxide dismutase (SOD) enzyme supplements. NOTE: I do not recommend DIM for long term use, and I do not recommend hormonal creams without doctor supervision.

Lifestyle & Skin Care: acupuncture, regular exercise/ yoga, low histamine diet, avoiding unnecessary stress, balancing skin's PH (using Image Ormedics), using distilled/ filtered water to wash face, occasional high frequency facials...

 

Grocery list:

 

** Find the cause, find the cure **

** If you have a question for me, please ask it publicly so that others can benefit from the discussion**

 

 


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I took accutane 8 years ago because I thought it was the cure for acne and I was too young to think I would experience side effects. I still have acne. I suffered terrible side effects and I still suffer from some of them today. To hear accutane called a fantastic drug without acknowledging side effects sickens me. There have been thousands of lawsuits and millions of dollars in settlements paid out from side effects from accutane.

Crohn's disease, heart attack, stroke, seizures, colon removal, pancreatitis, birth defects of the eyes, ears, brain and heart, and suicide. Not to mention, you can do things like damage your heart without having a heart attack. To attribute these side effects to pre-existing conditions or dismiss them because of low risk % is ignorant and disrespectful to people who have suffered tremendously.

Saying that accutane is a miracle and a fantastic drug perpetuates the idea that accutane cures acne and that is irresponsible. Teens hit puberty and some of them develop pimples. Parents take them to a derm and they are given antibiotics/topicals. These don't work for all of them so they google "antibiotics didn't help my acne". They are directed to acne.org because this is the preeminent acne source on the internet and they are quickly informed that when BP doesn't work the next step is accutane. Even if you don't say it explicitly many uneducated teenagers connect accutane to a cure. As a result, many teenagers who are not mature enough to evaluate the side effects (myself included) turn around and pressure their derms for a script. You can say the derm was irresponsible for writing the script but that is another argument entirely.

The drug does not always work and when it does work we have no way of knowing how many patients "cured" from accutane would have "grown out" of their acne in their late teens/early twenties. Also, accutane was originally marketed as a combination chemotherapy drug.
I think accutane should only be given to teenagers with absolutely severe acne (adults is another story). Accutane and it's generics generate well over 1 billion USD per year in sales so that will never happen. The most I can hope for is that people who promote accutane on this board will mention that they are extremely grateful and lucky to not have experienced any of the horrendous side effects. Knowing how accountability works on the internet I doubt that will happen either.
edit: i was way too aggressive towards OP, took out an asinine comment

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Accutane is just like any other drug in that it reacts differently to different people. For some people (including some I know personally), it clears up their acne beautifully and they experience no drastic side effects at all. For other people like Twosteps, bad side effects can happen. Unfortunately there's no way to know how your body might react to the drug until you take it, but as I understand it, that's why people treated with Accutane are required to have regular blood tests for as long as they're on the medication.

Personally, I haven't taken Accutane, but I'm seriously considering it. And I didn't come to this conclusion through random Googling around, either--my dermatologist recommended Accutane, and she explicitly told me "it's the closest thing there is to a cure for acne." She's the one with the advanced medical degrees, so if I can't believe her, who can I believe? I'm already 29 years old, so I'm not an "immature uneducated teenager," and I'm certainly past the possible "growing out" stage that Twosteps mentions. From what I gather, among the most alarming possible side effects of Accutane are the ones involving potential birth defects, but since I'm not sexually active (no one would sleep with anyone whose skin is as bad as mine, lol), those don't concern me at all. I'm also not worried about the increased risk of suicide. I already suffer from depression and have long believed that I'm essentially dead weight to the world, so if I did commit suicide it would be no big loss.

And I'm also not particularly swayed by the constant mentions of lawsuits related to Accutane. We live in a ridiculously lawsuit-happy society. People will sue over literally anything these days. People who spill hot coffee on themselves sue the restaurant for making the coffee too hot. Burglars who get trapped in peoples' garages while trying to rob them blind will sue their victims for not making their homes easier to escape. I don't deny that there are some people who have suffered severe side effects to Accutane who might have a legitimate case for suing, but I also don't doubt for a second that many, many other people who sued were just piggybacking on the original examples in hopes of making a quick buck.

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If you consider accutane they might make you be on birth control. We were always taught that the two go together for the reason of fetal toxicity and birth defects. Now some docs may be more lenient but it all depends. I thought i heard an advertisment the other day that was for a medication specifically for acne. Not sure if it was an oral med or not.

It can work differently on different people but it is worth a shot if you are aware of the side effects and adverse effects .

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Oh gosh. I am new to this site. And I may get a shit storm for posting to this thread (seems like it anyway), but I can say with absolute certainty that diet completely affects my acne.

I've been struggling with it since I was 20 (12 years now). And after a severe few months of breakouts at 31, I finally made the connection between drinking beer and my super inflamed breakouts. I got allergy tested and am allergic to wheat. As soon as I gave up wheat, my cystic flare ups completely stopped. I cheated a few times and one Jimmy John's sub or one beer = huge itchy cysts within 2 hours.

I have met 1 other person who had the same problem and same results after cutting out wheat.

So, I'm a firm believer that diet does affect acne. Sorry. Also, I am the only person on either side of my family that suffered from acne past 17 years old.

I am not completely clear, but the really awful cystic acne is a thing of the past due to my gluten-free lifestyle.

This doesn't mean I would ever shame another person suffering from acne for their own diet. Everyone is different. Look how many people swear by Retin A and Accutane - two things that can be very effective but didn't work for me.

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Twosteps, do you suggest Accutane for adults where nothing else worked? I am scared to take it, but I hate looking like this.

I would recommend accutane, but only after most other options are exhausted. Diet changes, vitamin balancing, exercise and sleep work well for many people, especially those with inflammatory acne. Accutane, on the other hand, is better for non-inflammatory acne than it is for inflammatory acne.

If you do decide to go ahead with accutane, be wary if your dermatologist prescribes more than 10mg/d. Many side effects only become apparent at higher doses, and indeed this is part of the consequence of isotretinoin being used as a chemotherapy at high doses.

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I have tried all that... My dermatologist said that it's not as dangerous as people say it is but I am still worried to take it. I guess I just have to decide because my acne is really bad. Thanks.

I would do it then. Make sure to pay attention to your body while you're on it, but be aware that you will probably experience some side effects for the first few days before the drug reaches an equilibrium state in your blood. Slightly increased hair loss for the first few days, for example, is not uncommon.

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Some people agree. Some people disagree.

I don't know, seems the same to me. Especially after reading this thread.

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Bubbles, if you knew anything about genetics, you would know that many genes can be and are turned on and off by external factors.

Absolutely wrong.

>It all falls down into hormones.

Diet can affect hormones there's a few types of hormones that you can control, one being insulin

and so can stress

+ more

those are the 2 easiest to control.

What's your diet like bubbles?

Acne is not a hormonal imbalance, people with acne are androgen senstivie by genetics. Most people with acne have hormones within the normal range. Also hormones do not "directly" cause acne. And hormonal imbalance is not brought on but inborn in most causes.

My diet has always been healthy. I know more about nutrition than most people could shake a stick at.

Guys, i totally agree with the gene relation matter. I have hormonal acne and nothing but nothing cured it, but the pill which is supposed to balance hormones. People with oily skin do get acne when the inner system is not stabilised and others have hirsutism. You raraly meet someone with BOTH acne and hirsutism. You either have one or the other. My mother had acne andan oily face. She is now 60 years old, and still may have a breakout every now and then. What i know from my mother and other friends is that acne related to hormonal imbalance at most cases dissapears after the first birth. If you have the tendancy for oily skin you will still have a pimple at times, but not acne. You girls have in mind that oily skin is more strengthened, has less wrinkles, and eventually you look younger. I am 34, and i am told i look 20 when not in make up. As for my mother, she looks like 45!!!! with no botox, lifting or smth like that. Enjoy your youth looks!

I have both severe acne and hirsutism and I have no hormonal imbalance. Both are caused by androgen sensitive hair follicules

Hi for the hirutisim have you tried spearmint tea its also meant to help with acne

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Bubbles, if you knew anything about genetics, you would know that many genes can be and are turned on and off by external factors.

Absolutely wrong.

>>It all falls down into hormones.

Diet can affect hormones there's a few types of hormones that you can control, one being insulin

and so can stress

+ more

those are the 2 easiest to control.

What's your diet like bubbles?

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Acne is not a hormonal imbalance, people with acne are androgen senstivie by genetics. Most people with acne have hormones within the normal range. Also hormones do not "directly" cause acne. And hormonal imbalance is not brought on but inborn in most causes.

My diet has always been healthy. I know more about nutrition than most people could shake a stick at.

>Guys, i totally agree with the gene relation matter. I have hormonal acne and nothing but nothing cured it, but the pill which is supposed to balance hormones. People with oily skin do get acne when the inner system is not stabilised and others have hirsutism. You raraly meet someone with BOTH acne and hirsutism. You either have one or the other. My mother had acne andan oily face. She is now 60 years old, and still may have a breakout every now and then. What i know from my mother and other friends is that acne related to hormonal imbalance at most cases dissapears after the first birth. If you have the tendancy for oily skin you will still have a pimple at times, but not acne. You girls have in mind that oily skin is more strengthened, has less wrinkles, and eventually you look younger. I am 34, and i am told i look 20 when not in make up. As for my mother, she looks like 45!!!! with no botox, lifting or smth like that. Enjoy your youth looks!

I have both severe acne and hirsutism and I have no hormonal imbalance. Both are caused by androgen sensitive hair follicules

Hi for the hirutisim have you tried spearmint tea its also meant to help with acne

Yes it did nothing. Acne and hirsutism are genetic - no getting rid of it with anything. My hirsutism is idiopathic/genetic. I have had cystic acne since 2001.

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Bubbles, if you knew anything about genetics, you would know that many genes can be and are turned on and off by external factors.

Absolutely wrong.

>>>>It all falls down into hormones.

Diet can affect hormones there's a few types of hormones that you can control, one being insulin

and so can stress

+ more

those are the 2 easiest to control.

What's your diet like bubbles?

lockquote>

Acne is not a hormonal imbalance, people with acne are androgen senstivie by genetics. Most people with acne have hormones within the normal range. Also hormones do not "directly" cause acne. And hormonal imbalance is not brought on but inborn in most causes.

My diet has always been healthy. I know more about nutrition than most people could shake a stick at.

>Guys, i totally agree with the gene relation matter. I have hormonal acne and nothing but nothing cured it, but the pill which is supposed to balance hormones. People with oily skin do get acne when the inner system is not stabilised and others have hirsutism. You raraly meet someone with BOTH acne and hirsutism. You either have one or the other. My mother had acne andan oily face. She is now 60 years old, and still may have a breakout every now and then. What i know from my mother and other friends is that acne related to hormonal imbalance at most cases dissapears after the first birth. If you have the tendancy for oily skin you will still have a pimple at times, but not acne. You girls have in mind that oily skin is more strengthened, has less wrinkles, and eventually you look younger. I am 34, and i am told i look 20 when not in make up. As for my mother, she looks like 45!!!! with no botox, lifting or smth like that. Enjoy your youth looks!

I have both severe acne and hirsutism and I have no hormonal imbalance. Both are caused by androgen sensitive hair follicules

lockquote>

Hi for the hirutisim have you tried spearmint tea its also meant to help with acne

lockquote>

Yes it did nothing. Acne and hirsutism are genetic - no getting rid of it with anything. My hirsutism is idiopathic/genetic. I have had cystic acne since 2001.

Hello

I have tried raw food diet, gluten and dairy food free diets. But I still had cystic acne, the cause was food intolerance to citrus. Most importantly to tangerines an oranges. You may not know it but you coud have a food intoerance. I didnt have any of the oral allergy symptoms. I hope this helps http://www.allergyweb.com/article-list-of-food-allergies.html

also certian chemicals in shampoos, soap and toothpaste. You'r wrong in saying acne is genetic. I am not trying to offend you and i am sorry if it does. Dietary conditions can be inherited which in turn can cause acne. I found out that my dad had acne when he was younger he also has ibs likewise i have ibs and acne. His acne was never severe though just mild. Conditions like ibs are genetic and CAN be cured even though doctors have said they cant be. Low carb and high protein diets with supplements - can cure ibs I am trying this with chammonile. Ibs is caused by a defective gene - there are many cured stories who can now eat normally after following a strict regime.

The first step to cure acne is to cure and reverse genetic conditions- it is possible to some degree.

Also the fact you mentioned hiruitism and severe acne leaves me to wonder if you have thought about pcos. Please look into health conditions that you might have- i have never thought abdominal pain could be the cause of the my acne. It wa only when i read the medicine my doctor prescribed that i realised. Ibs.

BUT PLEASE look into pcos and check out some hormone balancing herbs. Also try a tumeric and black pepper mix drink before you eat anything in the morning. And I am sorry if i am making you feel like this is you fault, it is not it is the doctors, who are reluctant to do blood tests to check for other internal heath problems and if the acne and diet link comes up they slam antibiotics in your face. I mean how practical is that to treat severe body and facial acne. Anyways good luck.

Also i know this is like a personal question but do have you regular menstrual cycles.

I would also ask of you to look into hyperandrogenism and most importantly cah - http://www.dundee.ac.uk/medther/tayendoweb/congenital_adrenal_hyperplasia.htm

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If you do have cah then i will agree with you that your acne is genetic.

"CAH is a lifelong disorder for which no cure is available. It is possible, however, to readily replace, in tablet form, the hormones that are missing – cortisol and the salt-retaining hormone. These medications will be needed every day for life, and need to be given even when the child is perfectly well. There is no need for a special diet with CAH. Girls with CAH require surgery to restore the genital appearance to normal. Boys do not."

CAH results in three disturbances to these hormones:

  • Lack of cortisol
  • Lack of salt-retaining hormone
  • Too much androgen.

Diet can help with androgen levels and you can try out hormone regulating herbs

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I have to say that I have tried "healthy diets" and it actually made my skin worse. I had been pretty clear for the past few months aside from small pimples and hormonal pimples now and then, then I went on this whim of wanting to lose weight and workout atleast 3 days a week. Within 3 or 4 weeks I started getting small "sweat pimples" and skin was overly dry and back to the way it was a few months back. I knew immediately this was from not eating enough, gorging on "healthy" foods and working out. I'm back to eating my typical, diet and appreciate just having more clear skin than being a stick. I personally do not think your diet has anything to do with the acne.

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OMG, so this is happening all over the board? I took Accutane, which effectively cured my cystic acne, so my main focus has primarily been on the scar forums. The holistic mumbo jumbo has been very problematic recently as well on that side of the forums. This non-science, non-medical, new agey BS has turned so many people off. Ironically, the few same people who keep pushing this backwards nonsense actually do not have serious acne or scars at all. Like you said, the tone is often full of grandstanding and based on very little actual science. It's maddening to try to sift through all the BS.

I've held this back for a while but I have to say this...

Okay, I remember posting here back in 2005 when I was 15 years old and it seemed acne.org was such a positive place for people dealing with active acne looking for support. Back then people were less judgemental and everyone seemed to (relatively) get along.

Now this websites mentality has changed, there is a fanatical push on obsessively healthy diet here as a "cure" for acne and a resonating "blame the victim" mentality which results in constant bickering. There are people being chastised by other members for taking accutane and critiqued for their diet/lifestyle. There are members leaving because they can't take the negativity.

What happened here? Does anyone else who has been around this web community for a while recognize what went wrong here.

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to each their own. This is a polarized, pointless debate because noone is going to change each other's mind. So why do you keep arguing? Get a life.


Current regimen: garlic supplements [as needed], Enzymedica gluten blocker [as needed], nicadan [not sure if it works yet]. I try to simplify as much as I can. Don't take more supplements than you need....try one at a time and be patient.

The supplements that really helped me when my acne was at its worst: inositol, DIM [not as frequently now!] digestive enzymes [don't need them every day anymore, only on cheat days], herpanacine & vitamin C with rose hips/ low acid [not every day], regular sun exposure for vitamin D3, superoxide dismutase (SOD) enzyme supplements. NOTE: I do not recommend DIM for long term use, and I do not recommend hormonal creams without doctor supervision.

Lifestyle & Skin Care: acupuncture, regular exercise/ yoga, low histamine diet, avoiding unnecessary stress, balancing skin's PH (using Image Ormedics), using distilled/ filtered water to wash face, occasional high frequency facials...

 

Grocery list:

 

** Find the cause, find the cure **

** If you have a question for me, please ask it publicly so that others can benefit from the discussion**

 

 


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As someone who has a DOCTORATE degree and knows how to conduct research, let me tell you this: ACNE IS MULTIFACETED. Science can't explain ALL causes of acne. Don't exclude causes and don't make absolute statements. This thread has turned into what it was trying to critique: a thread full of hatred, criticism and negativity.

Couldn't have said it better myself! It's funny how when people criticize others it's generally a greater reflection of themselves.

Anyway, I have been on this board for a very long time. DKR has helped me so much. And the boards helped me realize acne is a disease. I am also a big believer in cutting out dairy, since I can't deny that this has helped me so much.


Check out my Regimen Log HERE.

Back on DKR full force after trying to get off of it with horrible results.


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Bubbles, if you knew anything about genetics, you would know that many genes can be and are turned on and off by external factors.

Absolutely wrong.

>>>>>It all falls down into hormones.

Diet can affect hormones there's a few types of hormones that you can control, one being insulin

and so can stress

+ more

those are the 2 easiest to control.

What's your diet like bubbles?

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Acne is not a hormonal imbalance, people with acne are androgen senstivie by genetics. Most people with acne have hormones within the normal range. Also hormones do not "directly" cause acne. And hormonal imbalance is not brought on but inborn in most causes.

My diet has always been healthy. I know more about nutrition than most people could shake a stick at.

>Guys, i totally agree with the gene relation matter. I have hormonal acne and nothing but nothing cured it, but the pill which is supposed to balance hormones. People with oily skin do get acne when the inner system is not stabilised and others have hirsutism. You raraly meet someone with BOTH acne and hirsutism. You either have one or the other. My mother had acne andan oily face. She is now 60 years old, and still may have a breakout every now and then. What i know from my mother and other friends is that acne related to hormonal imbalance at most cases dissapears after the first birth. If you have the tendancy for oily skin you will still have a pimple at times, but not acne. You girls have in mind that oily skin is more strengthened, has less wrinkles, and eventually you look younger. I am 34, and i am told i look 20 when not in make up. As for my mother, she looks like 45!!!! with no botox, lifting or smth like that. Enjoy your youth looks!

I have both severe acne and hirsutism and I have no hormonal imbalance. Both are caused by androgen sensitive hair follicules

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Hi for the hirutisim have you tried spearmint tea its also meant to help with acne

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Yes it did nothing. Acne and hirsutism are genetic - no getting rid of it with anything. My hirsutism is idiopathic/genetic. I have had cystic acne since 2001.

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I have tried raw food diet, gluten and dairy food free diets. But I still had cystic acne, the cause was food intolerance to citrus. Most importantly to tangerines an oranges. You may not know it but you coud have a food intoerance. I didnt have any of the oral allergy symptoms. I hope this helps http://www.allergyweb.com/article-list-of-food-allergies.html

also certian chemicals in shampoos, soap and toothpaste. You'r wrong in saying acne is genetic. I am not trying to offend you and i am sorry if it does. Dietary conditions can be inherited which in turn can cause acne. I found out that my dad had acne when he was younger he also has ibs likewise i have ibs and acne. His acne was never severe though just mild. Conditions like ibs are genetic and CAN be cured even though doctors have said they cant be. Low carb and high protein diets with supplements - can cure ibs I am trying this with chammonile. Ibs is caused by a defective gene - there are many cured stories who can now eat normally after following a strict regime.

The first step to cure acne is to cure and reverse genetic conditions- it is possible to some degree.

Also the fact you mentioned hiruitism and severe acne leaves me to wonder if you have thought about pcos. Please look into health conditions that you might have- i have never thought abdominal pain could be the cause of the my acne. It wa only when i read the medicine my doctor prescribed that i realised. Ibs.

BUT PLEASE look into pcos and check out some hormone balancing herbs. Also try a tumeric and black pepper mix drink before you eat anything in the morning. And I am sorry if i am making you feel like this is you fault, it is not it is the doctors, who are reluctant to do blood tests to check for other internal heath problems and if the acne and diet link comes up they slam antibiotics in your face. I mean how practical is that to treat severe body and facial acne. Anyways good luck.

Also i know this is like a personal question but do have you regular menstrual cycles.

I would also ask of you to look into hyperandrogenism and most importantly cah - http://www.dundee.ac.uk/medther/tayendoweb/congenital_adrenal_hyperplasia.htm

I have been tested for PCOS many times, I don't have the syndrome or any other hormonal imbalance. My menstrual period has come every 27 days since I was 13 (5 days long) I have an incredibly regular, perfect cycle.

Acne is a genetic disease. I was born with acne, I will die with acne. It is inborn and lifelong. Acne is forever.

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Bubbles, if you knew anything about genetics, you would know that many genes can be and are turned on and off by external factors.

Absolutely wrong.

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>>>>>It all falls down into hormones.

Diet can affect hormones there's a few types of hormones that you can control, one being insulin

and so can stress

+ more

those are the 2 easiest to control.

What's your diet like bubbles?

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Acne is not a hormonal imbalance, people with acne are androgen senstivie by genetics. Most people with acne have hormones within the normal range. Also hormones do not "directly" cause acne. And hormonal imbalance is not brought on but inborn in most causes.

My diet has always been healthy. I know more about nutrition than most people could shake a stick at.

>Guys, i totally agree with the gene relation matter. I have hormonal acne and nothing but nothing cured it, but the pill which is supposed to balance hormones. People with oily skin do get acne when the inner system is not stabilised and others have hirsutism. You raraly meet someone with BOTH acne and hirsutism. You either have one or the other. My mother had acne andan oily face. She is now 60 years old, and still may have a breakout every now and then. What i know from my mother and other friends is that acne related to hormonal imbalance at most cases dissapears after the first birth. If you have the tendancy for oily skin you will still have a pimple at times, but not acne. You girls have in mind that oily skin is more strengthened, has less wrinkles, and eventually you look younger. I am 34, and i am told i look 20 when not in make up. As for my mother, she looks like 45!!!! with no botox, lifting or smth like that. Enjoy your youth looks!

I have both severe acne and hirsutism and I have no hormonal imbalance. Both are caused by androgen sensitive hair follicules

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Hi for the hirutisim have you tried spearmint tea its also meant to help with acne

lockquote>

Yes it did nothing. Acne and hirsutism are genetic - no getting rid of it with anything. My hirsutism is idiopathic/genetic. I have had cystic acne since 2001.

lockquote>

Hello

I have tried raw food diet, gluten and dairy food free diets. But I still had cystic acne, the cause was food intolerance to citrus. Most importantly to tangerines an oranges. You may not know it but you coud have a food intoerance. I didnt have any of the oral allergy symptoms. I hope this helps http://www.allergyweb.com/article-list-of-food-allergies.html

also certian chemicals in shampoos, soap and toothpaste. You'r wrong in saying acne is genetic. I am not trying to offend you and i am sorry if it does. Dietary conditions can be inherited which in turn can cause acne. I found out that my dad had acne when he was younger he also has ibs likewise i have ibs and acne. His acne was never severe though just mild. Conditions like ibs are genetic and CAN be cured even though doctors have said they cant be. Low carb and high protein diets with supplements - can cure ibs I am trying this with chammonile. Ibs is caused by a defective gene - there are many cured stories who can now eat normally after following a strict regime.

The first step to cure acne is to cure and reverse genetic conditions- it is possible to some degree.

Also the fact you mentioned hiruitism and severe acne leaves me to wonder if you have thought about pcos. Please look into health conditions that you might have- i have never thought abdominal pain could be the cause of the my acne. It wa only when i read the medicine my doctor prescribed that i realised. Ibs.

BUT PLEASE look into pcos and check out some hormone balancing herbs. Also try a tumeric and black pepper mix drink before you eat anything in the morning. And I am sorry if i am making you feel like this is you fault, it is not it is the doctors, who are reluctant to do blood tests to check for other internal heath problems and if the acne and diet link comes up they slam antibiotics in your face. I mean how practical is that to treat severe body and facial acne. Anyways good luck.

Also i know this is like a personal question but do have you regular menstrual cycles.

I would also ask of you to look into hyperandrogenism and most importantly cah - http://www.dundee.ac.uk/medther/tayendoweb/congenital_adrenal_hyperplasia.htm

I have been tested for PCOS many times, I don't have the syndrome or any other hormonal imbalance. My menstrual period has come every 27 days since I was 13 (5 days long) I have an incredibly regular, perfect cycle.

Acne is a genetic disease. I was born with acne, I will die with acne. It is inborn and lifelong. Acne is forever.

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Bubbles, if you knew anything about genetics, you would know that many genes can be and are turned on and off by external factors.

Absolutely wrong.

>395145917">

>>>>>>It all falls down into hormones.

Diet can affect hormones there's a few types of hormones that you can control, one being insulin

and so can stress

+ more

those are the 2 easiest to control.

What's your diet like bubbles?

lockquote>

Acne is not a hormonal imbalance, people with acne are androgen senstivie by genetics. Most people with acne have hormones within the normal range. Also hormones do not "directly" cause acne. And hormonal imbalance is not brought on but inborn in most causes.

My diet has always been healthy. I know more about nutrition than most people could shake a stick at.

>Guys, i totally agree with the gene relation matter. I have hormonal acne and nothing but nothing cured it, but the pill which is supposed to balance hormones. People with oily skin do get acne when the inner system is not stabilised and others have hirsutism. You raraly meet someone with BOTH acne and hirsutism. You either have one or the other. My mother had acne andan oily face. She is now 60 years old, and still may have a breakout every now and then. What i know from my mother and other friends is that acne related to hormonal imbalance at most cases dissapears after the first birth. If you have the tendancy for oily skin you will still have a pimple at times, but not acne. You girls have in mind that oily skin is more strengthened, has less wrinkles, and eventually you look younger. I am 34, and i am told i look 20 when not in make up. As for my mother, she looks like 45!!!! with no botox, lifting or smth like that. Enjoy your youth looks!

I have both severe acne and hirsutism and I have no hormonal imbalance. Both are caused by androgen sensitive hair follicules

lockquote>

Hi for the hirutisim have you tried spearmint tea its also meant to help with acne

lockquote>

Yes it did nothing. Acne and hirsutism are genetic - no getting rid of it with anything. My hirsutism is idiopathic/genetic. I have had cystic acne since 2001.

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Hello

I have tried raw food diet, gluten and dairy food free diets. But I still had cystic acne, the cause was food intolerance to citrus. Most importantly to tangerines an oranges. You may not know it but you coud have a food intoerance. I didnt have any of the oral allergy symptoms. I hope this helps http://www.allergyweb.com/article-list-of-food-allergies.html

also certian chemicals in shampoos, soap and toothpaste. You'r wrong in saying acne is genetic. I am not trying to offend you and i am sorry if it does. Dietary conditions can be inherited which in turn can cause acne. I found out that my dad had acne when he was younger he also has ibs likewise i have ibs and acne. His acne was never severe though just mild. Conditions like ibs are genetic and CAN be cured even though doctors have said they cant be. Low carb and high protein diets with supplements - can cure ibs I am trying this with chammonile. Ibs is caused by a defective gene - there are many cured stories who can now eat normally after following a strict regime.

The first step to cure acne is to cure and reverse genetic conditions- it is possible to some degree.

Also the fact you mentioned hiruitism and severe acne leaves me to wonder if you have thought about pcos. Please look into health conditions that you might have- i have never thought abdominal pain could be the cause of the my acne. It wa only when i read the medicine my doctor prescribed that i realised. Ibs.

BUT PLEASE look into pcos and check out some hormone balancing herbs. Also try a tumeric and black pepper mix drink before you eat anything in the morning. And I am sorry if i am making you feel like this is you fault, it is not it is the doctors, who are reluctant to do blood tests to check for other internal heath problems and if the acne and diet link comes up they slam antibiotics in your face. I mean how practical is that to treat severe body and facial acne. Anyways good luck.

Also i know this is like a personal question but do have you regular menstrual cycles.

I would also ask of you to look into hyperandrogenism and most importantly cah - http://www.dundee.ac.uk/medther/tayendoweb/congenital_adrenal_hyperplasia.htm

I have been tested for PCOS many times, I don't have the syndrome or any other hormonal imbalance. My menstrual period has come every 27 days since I was 13 (5 days long) I have an incredibly regular, perfect cycle.

Acne is a genetic disease. I was born with acne, I will die with acne. It is inborn and lifelong. Acne is forever.

says no one ever after 30

I am 25 and still have severe full body acne conglobata since I was a child. My mother is 63 and my father is approaching 65 and also has severe acne.

ACne is a lifelong disease that lasts well into old age. There are tons of people on this site over the age of 30 with severe acne. It is a life long condition.

I can see you're very uneducated about acne. IT's a life long disase. EVery dermatologist in the world knows this.

Have you eve been to a derm? if you had you would know acne lasts forever and it genetic.

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