what do you guys expect? clear skin by eating dead animal carcass? lmao
Great Article On Acne-Diet Connection By Nutrition Professional
Posted 11 February 2014 - 11:36 PM
You are weird one Robertitoo, you post everywhere a couple sentence posts, flame and you are clear with your diet and still continue to flame this forum. Why would someone who is clear of acne and healthy be still on this forum really angry and trying to piss off people, something is not right with that picture.
Posted 12 February 2014 - 01:48 AM
i'm getting off the diet "boat", i tried everything. i wasn't particularely aware of high GI meals but looking back i never ate that in my 3-4years of diet. these past few months didnt got me much further with anti-GI no bread, etc. indeed i earned 50-60% improvement from these years (but 0% for whiteheads), but it's not worth it for me (i found brevoxyl, and it cleared my face in days). my back is still pretty bad, but i'll live..
i started again eating a bit of bread(whole, homemade), and rice (whole again), a bit of honey(i have my own bees), a tiny bit of animal fat, and indeed i'm losing that 60% improvement but ..i put my trust in the hands of Man (i don't think all these are bad for health). i never really liked what those nutritionists (which i believe are far from the truth) insinuated: "pro natura", "choose nature" etc. some nutritionists even slip saying "we have all we need in the nature" like "god put a healing nutrition right before our eyes". actually some go further and say that the bible specifically tells us what to eat and we "fools" don't obey and that's why we don't live 120 healthy years.
even paleo diets have this underlying philosophy.
well.. i choose the human spirit, (although it needs "churchmen" that actually research medicine and not just rush to the money earned by being a doctor, these people makes us chose these avatars lol) i would gladly eat those lab-grown burgers, with no need of killing any animals etc.
hope our spirituality will grow past its teenage years one day.
anyway i'll keep an eye on the hormone affecting behavior and maybe scan some organs, who knows what adrenals or liver could be suffering from i don't know..
Edited by DanTheNewWorld, 12 February 2014 - 02:01 AM.
Posted 12 February 2014 - 02:04 AM
Yeah and cavemen didn't have cellphones or internet, why the hell those hypocrite paleo and christian people use those?! (LOL) I will see what that food sensitivity test says and follow it but I will start using BP today because my skin is so bad right now, I never in a million years though that my skin would get so bad like it's now, because I stopped eating dairy. It's like I'm having that super bad teenage acne that I had 16 years ago!
Posted 12 February 2014 - 11:13 AM
I've gone through major ups and downs like that, Dolan, where I thought...no way can my acne be as bad or worse than what it was when I was a teenager! I too tried EVERYTHING, Bubbles,...all the meds and regimes available throughout the decades I have had acne and I was never clear...except when on accutane or ultra strength antibiotics. I also had times, Dan, where I gave up on diet because it wasn't clearing up my acne on its own and even with meds it didn't seem to help all that much.
Then years ago when my old derm took me off everything and despite my very good diet I broke out in cystic acne that was horrible...just like had happened everytime before when I went off meds or just did an all natural regime or whatever. It was horrific at my age to have this happen once again. I read with envy how others had gotten clear with relatively small tweeks of their diet or taking this med or that...always something relatively simple to put into action. I got depressed thinking I just have to accept that my whole adult life has been affected and will be affected by this terrible inflammed infected cystic acne that can't be hidden, hurts, and makes me feel like I want to hide away somewhere.
Then I switched derms...and actually went back to the derm who put me on accutane in my early 30's (2 times). I had gotten clear on the accutane and thought I was cured. Moved away and the acne came back a year or so later...less amount but still cystic. This derm recognized me from all those years ago (remember I am 62 now) and he looked at my skin...took out magnifying glasses and looked closer. He immediately put me on the regime below. This is a regime he developed for very resistant acne...acne that sort of responds to meds but never clears up and acne that persists despite age, etc. This regime addresses eneough components of acne that it helps skin to heal and function better.
If you are reading this and have resistant acne and have tried everything like I had then you may want to consider this. The key element of the regime is that no one piece of it alone will clear up acne...it has to be done as a package. Some people post on here that they have tried everything...and they have...but in pieces. Now I do have to clarify that my derm's regime stopped the cystic acne...never have had even one cyst yet (yeah!!!)...but it did not get rid of tiny whiteheads (only had a couple at a time)...nor did it completely get rid of the teeny tiny pimple I might get every month or so. My derm counts my progress as success because the way my skin was looking after on this regime was light years from how it was before and it looked like basically normal skin...maybe skin of an adult who occasionally gets a teeny blemish.
I guess I could've lived with that but I am rather a perfectionist and could see no reason why I couldn't have really clear skin...skin I could rely on to stay clear. I come from a research background and could see no reason why if this regime had gotten my skin almost clear and my diet had gotten my skin almost free of inflammation that there wasn't something else missing...some piece of the puzzle I had missed.
I didn't want to do anything more with my meds because I appreciated they were at very low dosages that could be maintained longterm without harm...and I didn't want to up the microdermabrasions because at once a month they were maneagable financially and in how my skin responded (fantastically).
So the only thing left to really research and tweek was diet. I was skeptical since I have always eaten extremely healthy compared to others. In my 20's - 30's I was a vegetarian and eating whole grains (but I still ate dairy --- lots of it and drank wine). In my 40's I experimented for short periods on avoiding dairy because I saw a connection to acne and in my early 50's I stopped alcohol because I noted it increased inflammation. But I only avoided these things for a couple of months or so..saw just a little change so gave up on the diet changes. Then in my mid-50's I started having gut issues. Nothing seemed to digest well and my acne was going berserk. I was sent to specialists, got formal allergy testing, was put on a special diet, etc. Still breaking out but gut was getting better.
So I decided to really study the whole nutrition thing and acne. Have read tons of research and books. Came to some conclusions that interestingly stemmed from my interest in primitive cultures. And much like others discovered before me, these cultures have low rates of disease common in western culture and diet is a driving force behind this.
So putting all this info together (along with recognizing the damage to my skin which had resulted in some rosacea and consequently an even greater sensitivity to certain foods) I came up with a diet similar to these cultures but with a few twists that reflect my skin's damaged state. The diet is no solvent processed oils, only a teensy amount of natural oil (EVOO), no dairy, little flour (addresses any gluten or other wheat inflammation issues), no alcohol, no caffeine, no yeast or fermented foods (this is a tweek due to the rosacea...actually primitive cultures do eat fermented whole foods), no sugar, and only wild fish and game in tiny amounts and only free range eggs and only whole foods. As I've shared a million times already in other posts, what finally caused real clearing was avoiding oils and foods made with them. This was the key thing I had never tried before...and really concentrating on following the diet faithfully for a long time. Within two weeks of avoiding oils my skin looked different. My derm remarked on this and was very interested to hear about my addition of the primitive diet.
My microdermabrasion clinicians have been nothing but amazed since they work in the derm's office and have seen the progression of my skin from the first week of the new meds regime when my skin was still cystic...to when the meds kicked in and the cysts went away...to when I followed the allergy diet and things cleared a bit more...to when I added the primitive diet approach and my skin was less inflammed...to now when I stopped the oils last August and my skin within one month went from having clogged pores and a whitehead here and there and a teeny pimple every month or so to clear...really clear.
Now I only get a whitehead if I mess up and eat oily foods (usually when traveling) but it is only one or two and they go away in a day or so. If I totally mess up and eat bread along with oily foods then bingo...I get a teeny pimple. But it clears up in a day or so.
But if I stay on the diet I stay clear. This is extremely interesting to me. Next on my agenda is to wean off the oral meds as much as possible. I have endured an extremely resistant case of acne so it may be that my particular body needs a more complicated regime to stay clear...one that includes some meds. But my fervent hope is that I can wean down to just the topicals and following my diet.
Another thing I have to say. This diet has really made a HUGE difference in my energy and how I look. It has revitalized me. My body seems to be thanking me over and over with good digestion, clear skin, great energy and good mood. So something must be right.
Long long post but I hope it might help those who have tried everything and are giving up. Don't. Keep trying but be more like a scientist...keep notes (don't rely on memory), research, keep an open mind, experiment, document results, review your notes. This will result in a refined approach. My derm took the time to review my whole file which was very thick after all the years of treatment...he was the only derm to really do this. He responded immediately with let's experiment here with what works for adult resistent acne....not just one thing at a time. He developed a regime suited to my skin, temperment (don't like too complicated washing routines, etc.), etc. He did not just slap the usual acne regime on me...he emphasized the need to do a regime that had several components to it for it to work and this included monthly microdermabrasion to really open pores and help heal my ravaged skin. It worked but what really finally did the trick was diet. That's why I am so fervent about sharing this.
Edited by cvd, 12 February 2014 - 11:14 AM.
Posted 12 February 2014 - 12:17 PM
cvd, you sure like to write, I read the whole thing. I have followed that exact diet for 10 years now, it hasn't changed my acne in any way. The only diet change that has ever affected my acne is this dairy removal and it has put my skin in horrible state. I will get those MRT test results next week and then I can eliminate all the foods that cause me inflammation. There is definitely something buggin me because, my nose is stuffy all year round, my saliva is sticky thick and there's slime in my throat all the time. I will see my doctor on monday regarding this saliva thing, hope it gets resolved, it's even more annoying than acne.
Posted 12 February 2014 - 12:54 PM
@Dolan I do it because there's no point in trying to argue with people that brains are plagued with misinformed information and are literately brainwashed by society. Open your eyes, stop hiding from the truth. Watch Earthlings or Fork over knives. I'm not trying to preach either, hence my one sentence post. 1930's Pretty much no one had acne in the states.
These days people are scared of fruits because of their high sugar content. Little did they know, these foods are actually healing, cleansing and alkalizing foods that heal the body from inside out. it's ridiculous and pisses me off that people blame fruits. our bodies are pretty much designed to consume high amounts of fruits and vegetables.
Free Range Eggs are still Eggs. Wild fish is still Fish. Wake up.
I wish you guys luck but I hope we as a family on acne.org can someone take a look at reality. "NO" Because reality sucks doesn't it? http://earthlings.com/?page_id=32
Edited by Robertitoo, 12 February 2014 - 01:03 PM.
Posted 12 February 2014 - 01:10 PM
Okey dokey Robertitoo. I have to admit that I don't care about animals and I don't want to make this world a better place.
Posted 12 February 2014 - 01:44 PM
damn you're shallow and empty hearted. I don't know if you deserve to have clear skin, haha. good luck. actually, it's really funny that you have acne at your age.
Edited by Robertitoo, 12 February 2014 - 01:46 PM.
Posted 12 February 2014 - 06:17 PM
I've watched Forks over Knives. The only valid thing to take from that is we should eat a lot of plant foods.
Bubbles: Have you tried avoiding citrus? The cause of my cystic acne. Caffeine? Trans Fats? Peanuts? High citric acid fruits like strawberries & tomatoes & of course, citrus? ...
Posted 12 February 2014 - 07:02 PM
Robertitoo: Considering that many, many meat eating societies have no acne at all, I think you're wrong. People in developed countries used to eat fewer processed grains and more meat overall, and, as you pointed out, more and more people seem to be getting acne. Don't get me wrong, though - plenty of fruits and vegetables is always a good thing. Your demonization of meat, however, is unwarranted, unbased, and potentially harmful.
Our bodies are designed to eat meat. They are also designed to eat fruits and vegetables, but likely to a lesser degree.
Here's a long Scientific American article on humans and meat consumption that you will likely ignore or deny, despite the high quality of the source and recency of publication:
But even all this evidence aside, there are many nutrients in animal products that are highly beneficial for us. And, as the eskimos have shown us, humans are able to survive on meat alone, while we cannot survive on plants alone. Veganism has not one leg to stand on.
Posted 12 February 2014 - 07:52 PM
Also, my stubborn acne wasn't controlled by diet for far longer than 15 years. Then I improved my diet and my skin cleared.
Edited by alternativista, 13 February 2014 - 08:56 AM.
Posted 12 February 2014 - 10:49 PM
Robertitoo, wow, so I'm a bad person because I don't care about animals? Ask yourself, does wolf in the forest care if you happen to die or get hurt, no, why would it care. The wolf just wants to live its life the way it wants to live, I'm the same way. I don't cause anyone any harm, or wish anyone anything bad, I just want to live my life happily ever after and that makes me a bad person? And I don't have the time to try to make the world a better place, the world is what it is. Actually the world would be a better place if everyone would be like me, just try to enjoy your own life and do no harm to others. I think you should really take the time and think about your hypocrite attitude. And here's some more animal love for you, .
Posted 13 February 2014 - 02:04 AM
Well the way you said it made you sound like a *mod edit*.
Posted 13 February 2014 - 12:37 PM
I read the Scientific American article quoted above and it points out that increased meat consumption became much more common after industrialization and particularly after the 1950's when it could be produced more cheaply.
"...As a result, global meat production rose from less than 50 t in 1950 to about 110 t in 1975; it doubled during the next 25 years, and by 2010 it was about 275 t, prorating to some 40 g/capita, with the highest levels (in the US, Spain and Brazil) in excess of 100 g/capita."
For the most part meat was consummed most frequently by the affluent classes before the 1950's. It is well documented that most primitive cultures ate a plant-based diet with small amounts of meats and fish. The exception to all this are the Eskimos who because of their environment are primarily meat eaters. However how many of us lead the kind of life they do where calories are rapidly used due to heavy physical activity and extreme cold weather? In that environment then very fatty meats are helpful. However the life expectancy of traditional Eskimos was not that long...32 years. Here is a chart of their serum cholesterol:
Cholesterol Levels of Eskimo & Inuit Populations
Paper [ref] Mean TC Notes Corcoran & Rabinowitch 1935  141 mg/dl Stale samples, obsolete technique, small sample size; tuberculosis common Wilber & Levine 1950  218 mg/dl Rodahl 1955  215 mg/dl Pett & Lupien 1958  204 mg/dl Scott et al 1958  214 mg/dl Davies & Hanson 1965  182 mg/dl Diseased (tuberculosis), life expectancy 32 years Ho et al 1972  221 mg/dl Dyerberg et al 1975  216 mg/dl Young et al 1993  205 mg/dl Average of 4 age and gender cohorts Howard et al 2010  211 mg/dl TC calculated from LDL 125, HDL 62, triglycerides 118 Makhoul et al 2010  223 mg/dl
Results are remarkably consistent. Nine of the eleven papers reported mean total cholesterol (TC) between 204 mg/dl and 223 mg/dl. Let’s look more closely.
Based on everything I have read a low-fat plant-based diet with tiny amounts of wild fish/meat is the best one for good health.
Wild fish and meat are different than mass factory produced. My husband is a fish biologist and I have personally seen the tons of antibiotics used in fish farm production. I would never eat farm fish, ever. The same is true of meats and eggs grown in this way. Also the food fed to farm grown animals is the cheapest that can be done...nutrient comes from supplimentation which as we know is not a good way to grow a healthy animal. And contrary to popular belief antibiotics can be used if animals are sick...and guess what --- most farmed animals get sick very often due to crowding and poor diet. So again it is prudent not to eat mass produced animals. Strive for wild or free range animals that get healthy sunshine, pastured and wild foods, and are more stress free. This also results in fewer stress hormones in the meat.
Posted 13 February 2014 - 01:32 PM
I would love to eat those free range happy chicken eggs, but those things cost like five times more than regular angry bird eggs! Here's a cat dance for ya cvd, *meow*
Posted 13 February 2014 - 07:05 PM
Posted 13 February 2014 - 10:54 PM
But I'm a big homo sapiens male and eat 4000 calories every day, every calorie is quality calorie, it ain't cheap let me tell you. I could come to Houston and you could be my waifu and we could share our food expenses? By the way, did you see my sig?
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