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Posted the above @ essentialdayspa first: http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=50409

I guess I should had posted it on the acne boards first.

The above also shows the supps I have been taking.

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Hey all. I have acne (age 27 male) and I'm currently having amazing success by supplementing w/ DHT inhibitors to rid myself of acne.

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question.gifQuestion 1: Are there any topical DIY DHT serums out there that can be applied on the face for acne skin issues?

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I know there are some for hair, but I would feel iffy about purchasing a hair product for facial use.

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So far I found that rosemary EO is good for facial use as a DHT inhibitor (& also for hair ladies), but I haven't heard of anyone using it for that purpose (acne issues on the face).

There is also saw palmetto extract that skinactives sells, but they don't state facial % use.

I emailed them about adding it to a B5+HA serum and got what it seemed like a drunk response that had no relation to my question. So I'm going to send them another and hope I catch someone when they're sober.

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question.gifQuestion 2: Has anyone tried or heard of anyone that has went to the topical DHT approach for ridding themselves of acne?

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I searched the internets and did some googles, but can't seem to find anything about DHT serums other than people suggesting a spiro cream.

Wanted to craft someone that would deal w/ skin issues while also dealing w/ acne (in regards to DHT inhibition) @ the same time.

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Thanks for any responses.

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Posted the above @ essentialdayspa first: http://www.essentialdayspa.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=50409

I guess I should had posted it on the acne boards first.

The above also shows the supps I have been taking.------------------------------------------------------------

Hey all. I have acne (age 27 male) and I'm currently having amazing success by supplementing w/ DHT inhibitors to rid myself of acne.-----question.gifQuestion 1: Are there any topical DIY DHT serums out there that can be applied on the face for acne skin issues?-----

I know there are some for hair, but I would feel iffy about purchasing a hair product for facial use.-----

So far I found that rosemary EO is good for facial use as a DHT inhibitor (& also for hair ladies), but I haven't heard of anyone using it for that purpose (acne issues on the face).

There is also saw palmetto extract that skinactives sells, but they don't state facial % use.

I emailed them about adding it to a B5+HA serum and got what it seemed like a drunk response that had no relation to my question. So I'm going to send them another and hope I catch someone when they're sober.-----question.gifQuestion 2: Has anyone tried or heard of anyone that has went to the topical DHT approach for ridding themselves of acne?-----

I searched the internets and did some googles, but can't seem to find anything about DHT serums other than people suggesting a spiro cream.

Wanted to craft someone that would deal w/ skin issues while also dealing w/ acne (in regards to DHT inhibition) @ the same time.-----

Thanks for any responses.

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when i researched anti-dht herbs on wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-alpha-reductase_inhibitor) and anti androgen herbs, i remember buying some herbs with the thought of topical use.

one time i tried saw palmetto (from the interior of the capsule) and i had a hard time rinsing it off lol. which caused a huge breakout.

i remember giving thuja EO a fair chance but i didn't noticed any improvement. (and it's not specifically anti-dht, but rather anti androgens if i can recall)

i never got the chance to use all those herbs, i think i used a bit of pine EO buti didn't noticed anything major. i could also make an angelica tea and use it anytime, but the thing is that i got my hands on brevoxyl (4%bp) which made my face acneless, and my back seems to progress by the vitamins/internal saw palmetto and my diet(+day rhythm activty managment if i can put it like that), so i also don't want to mess with that right now.


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DHT doesnt cause acne. Elevated free testosterone and insulin do.

This is interesting since it goes against what I so far have read.

Under what mechanisms is the above supps that I'm taking working?

Or are you saying DHT doesn't cause acne directly, but indirectly?

Or are you going out on a limb and saying DHT has nothing to do w/ acne at all.

From what I understood and read, free test converts into 5ar > DHT.

I also understand that not everyone w/ high DHT gets acne. Since I read numberous posts on people using andractim while not getting acne and while others broke out immensely.

I did also see the insulin link(to acne) and I have chromium as well which others mentioned helped. For sensitivities/resistances.

I know this isn't an and all be all for an insulin problem, but was wanting to give it a try as well once I'm able to fully factor in how my current supps are doing.

when i researched anti-dht herbs on wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-alpha-reductase_inhibitor) and anti androgen herbs, i remember buying some herbs with the thought of topical use.

one time i tried saw palmetto (from the interior of the capsule) and i had a hard time rinsing it off lol. which caused a huge breakout.

i remember giving thuja EO a fair chance but i didn't noticed any improvement. (and it's not specifically anti-dht, but rather anti androgens if i can recall)

i never got the chance to use all those herbs, i think i used a bit of pine EO buti didn't noticed anything major. i could also make an angelica tea and use it anytime, but the thing is that i got my hands on brevoxyl (4%bp) which made my face acneless, and my back seems to progress by the vitamins/internal saw palmetto and my diet(+day rhythm activty managment if i can put it like that), so i also don't want to mess with that right now.

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hormoan, do you have "testosterony looks": like deep voice, full beard, agressive impulse behaviour, balding issues, etc?

or rather on the contrary, as i suspect?


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So you guys fear insulin? Aaaand did you know that every high quality protein source raises insulin as much as simple carbs? So the only things you could eat is fats and veggies, that's it. I would like to see what the person looks like who just eats fat and veggies, a fuckins skinny fat person with no muscles and would the opposite sex be interested in that kind of fatty ricestick?

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hormoan, do you have "testosterony looks": like deep voice, full beard, agressive impulse behaviour, balding issues, etc?

or rather on the contrary, as i suspect?

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So you guys fear insulin? Aaaand did you know that every high quality protein source raises insulin as much as simple carbs? So the only things you could eat is fats and veggies, that's it. I would like to see what the person looks like who just eats fat and veggies, a fuckins skinny fat person with no muscles and would the opposite sex be interested in that kind of fatty ricestick?

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hormoan, do you have "testosterony looks": like deep voice, full beard, agressive impulse behaviour, balding issues, etc?

or rather on the contrary, as i suspect?

I don't look like a lumberjack.

I have a mild voice? Not very deep.

I have no aggression issues(other than the below) nor do I have an impulsive behavior. I also don't have aggression even when drunk.

I'm very different though when someone is aggressive towards me.

No balding issues.

ETC? Maybuh.


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what about the beard?

because this is partially why i started taking saw palmetto, see i'm almost 30 and i have the beard of of a 16y kid(by the way saw palmetto grew me a bit of more excess hair within my hairline, but seemingly nothing regarding my beard), and for so long i suspected acne happened where hair should/would eventually grow (but for some reason, maybe just genetic, it didn't).

i imagine testosterone would change quite a bit of ur facial appearance (so that you don't look like a teen anymore), and although i'm not that extreme, there are ocassional people who don't give me more than 23y of age. anyway this is going too far, the idea that i'm trying to get out is that, (at least for us males) acne has nothing to do with excess testosterone&all of it related, in the regular way (like it's always sugested on these acne forums, ..usually by women.. which may have completely separately issues leading to acne).

i'll reseach a little more on the "free testosterone" idea, althogh practically i'm not sure i can do more than i already am(whatching for the liver/adrenals/rhythm flow of the day/night,specific diet&herbs etc).

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hormoan, do you have "testosterony looks": like deep voice, full beard, agressive impulse behaviour, balding issues, etc?

or rather on the contrary, as i suspect?

I don't look like a lumberjack.

I have a mild voice? Not very deep.

I have no aggression issues(other than the below) nor do I have an impulsive behavior. I also don't have aggression even when drunk.

I'm very different though when someone is aggressive towards me.

No balding issues.

ETC? Maybuh.

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hormoan, do you have "testosterony looks": like deep voice, full beard, agressive impulse behaviour, balding issues, etc?

or rather on the contrary, as i suspect?

I don't look like a lumberjack.

I have a mild voice? Not very deep.

I have no aggression issues(other than the below) nor do I have an impulsive behavior. I also don't have aggression even when drunk.

I'm very different though when someone is aggressive towards me.

No balding issues.

ETC? Maybuh.

what about the beard?

because this is partially why i started taking saw palmetto, see i'm almost 30 and i have the beard of of a 16y kid(by the way saw palmetto grew me a bit of more excess hair within my hairline, but seemingly nothing regarding my beard), and for so long i suspected acne happened where hair should/would eventually grow (but for some reason, maybe just genetic, it didn't).

i imagine testosterone would change quite a bit of ur facial appearance (so that you don't look like a teen anymore), and although i'm not that extreme, there are ocassional people who don't give me more than 23y of age. anyway this is going too far, the idea that i'm trying to get out is that, (at least for us males) acne has nothing to do with excess testosterone&all of it related, in the regular way (like it's always sugested on these acne forums, ..usually by women.. which may have completely separately issues leading to acne).

i'll reseach a little more on the "free testosterone" idea, althogh practically i'm not sure i can do more than i already am(whatching for the liver/adrenals/rhythm flow of the day/night,specific diet&herbs etc).


today Putin is trying to steal our land! and no, i'm not referring to Crimea, but to a part of Moldova!


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hormoan, do you have "testosterony looks": like deep voice, full beard, agressive impulse behaviour, balding issues, etc?

or rather on the contrary, as i suspect?

I don't look like a lumberjack.

I have a mild voice? Not very deep.

I have no aggression issues(other than the below) nor do I have an impulsive behavior. I also don't have aggression even when drunk.

I'm very different though when someone is aggressive towards me.

No balding issues.

ETC? Maybuh.

what about the beard?

because this is partially why i started taking saw palmetto, see i'm almost 30 and i have the beard of of a 16y kid(by the way saw palmetto grew me a bit of more excess hair within my hairline, but seemingly nothing regarding my beard), and for so long i suspected acne happened where hair should/would eventually grow (but for some reason, maybe just genetic, it didn't).

i imagine testosterone would change quite a bit of ur facial appearance (so that you don't look like a teen anymore), and although i'm not that extreme, there are ocassional people who don't give me more than 23y of age. anyway this is going too far, the idea that i'm trying to get out is that, (at least for us males) acne has nothing to do with excess testosterone&all of it related, in the regular way (like it's always sugested on these acne forums, ..usually by women.. which may have completely separately issues leading to acne).

i'll reseach a little more on the "free testosterone" idea, althogh practically i'm not sure i can do more than i already am(whatching for the liver/adrenals/rhythm flow of the day/night,specific diet&herbs etc).

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Reporting back.

During the first week of taking the below:

2x Saw Palmetto Extract 160mg

2x Fo-Ti

1x Licorice Root

2x Stinging Nettle Root (no extract)

1x Pumpkin Seed Oil

1x Vitamin D3 - 5000iu (haven't tested my levels)

1x Lycopene - 10mg

1x Beta Sitosterol

1x Ashwagandha (I take this on and off, but forgot to include it in my other post)

My skin started clearing up very nicely, to the point of only a few acne spots.

Then around 1 week later, I started getting a massive breakout which didn't clear after continued use of the above for 2-3 days.

I also noticed that my libido went downhill and that my motivation to masturbate went somewhere else.

Seemed like a dopamine switch. I know that higher dopamine lowers prolactin, which then lower prolactin = lower 5ar.

I then stopped all supplements for a week and the spots just seemed stagnant. I also didn't masturbate for 4 days, which also didn't do anything in terms of acne.

I then started(3 days ago) to only take 2x Beta Sitosterol daily and acne is lessening at a good rate.

I'm also throwing in licorice root 2x daily as well. Licorice seems to lower free-T (which jlcampi stated was a problem).

So hopefully all goes well. Will report back with good news hopefully.

Was thinking the breakout was just an initial breakout but also a delayed breakout, but I didn't want to take any chances.

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i'm curious if ur semen quantity lowered. i think it was from spearmint in my case, but i took a lot of those anti androgen +anti dht teas. also the scrotum shrank a little, or it was more tight, which i think it's good because i always suspected it was too loose (sometimes even in arousal situations).


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Well I did bate twice since taking all of this stuff.

One was before I started to break out. Was usually the same as always(quantity).

Second time was after those 4 days when I didn't feel the urge to. I only did it due to my libido being lowered and was wondering if that affected my EQ. Load was huge due to me abstaining those 4 days.

Ive gone around 4-5 days w/o me masturbating. Not sure if my libido will rebound since I stopped taking all except beta and licorice. It hasn't so far.

Scrotum did shrink a little during all this, so now my jeans fit better.

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