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DCgirl, thank you soooo much for sharing your experience.

I was wondering if you tried the TCA + dermastamp on hypertrophic scars? I have some of those raised scars too

Thanks alot

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DCgirl, thank you soooo much for sharing your experience.

I was wondering if you tried the TCA + dermastamp on hypertrophic scars? I have some of those raised scars too

Thanks alot

I've tried it. I can say it works.

owndoc.com says:

Perform three times a week:
- Needle the hypertrophic scar superficially with our single needle (thin scars) or a 1.5 mm dermastamp (wide scars)
- After needling, perform pressure massage. Apply pressure with your fingers onto the scar spot by spot. Apply pressure to each spot quite strongly for about 20 seconds.
Repeat the pressure massage daily (but only three times a week in combination with needling).
On thick/tough hypertrophic scars, apply wart remover once a week (for sale OTC, usually contains salicylic acid and lactic acid). Apply without needling.
-Every three weeks, needle or stamp the scar densely and deeply to crush the scar collagen.
Why needling helps hypertrophic scars:

Scar tissue, whether raised, flat or indented is abundant in collagen but the scar collagen is thick and typically woven in a different pattern than in the normal skin.

Scar tissue isn't really different from normal skin, however the thickness and patterns of the fibers are different.
Crushing the scar tissue will crush the scar pattern of the fibers and the body will often remodel the scar into a better looking, softer scar.
Our body does not fix something that is not "broken". Scar tissue is just a cosmetic problem, it is not perceived as "broken" by our body. Needling or dermarolling is a trick to make the body remodel the scar. Making tiny pricks is not enough to cause a scar but it is enough for the body to see needled/rolled skin as "broken" and trigger healing processes. Unfortunately, our body usually does not bother replacing the scar tissue completely with normal skin - especially when the scar is deep - but it often replaces it with a mixture of scar and normal tissue, producing a better looking scar.
Needling/dermarolling triggers healing processes and the body tends to heal the area in a way, at least partially, as it normally should be. Indented scars fill in and raised scars flatten. It does not work in 100% of cases but in many cases it works.
Whatever you use, always make a test patch first to see how it heals.
When we get an injury that is serious, the body will quickly fix it with scar tissue to prevent an infection etc. The scar "glues" the skin together.
Needling or dermarolling does not produce scar tissue. When you needle or roll normal skin, it will heal as normal skin.
When you needle or roll a scar, it will often improve the scar but unfortunately, as I said, the body "refuses" to completely replace deep scars with normal tissue. Evolution apparently did not deem it necessary. So far, nothing exists that can completely remove a deep scar.
You should not needle or roll keloid scars. It could make them grow larger.
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Guys, I tried to apply celandine for warts on my hypertrophic scars. I don't know what about US, but in Kazakhstan it's often used. Dammit, it was so strong. It seems I got 70% of TCA. Or something like that. When it stopped burn my scars I saw a little bleeding. Now they're orange-red. So I fucked up... =\
But they're almost flat. I apply bepanthen every hour. Just be careful if you're ever gonna do it on your hypertrophics.

Also I'm gonna do TCA 30% spot treatment tomorrow.

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thanks for sharing,it's really an amazing improvement i can see from ur pics,and i wonder if TCA can treat on little pore scars,also u meant that u did derma-stamping right pointing at little pore scars and it worked a lot,right?u think the derma-stamping is the best way to treat on little pore scars?

look forward to your reply,thanks.

Yes, tca can help those, but I think single needling them real well, is the safest, easiest bet for scarred pores or ice picks.

thanks a lot,but i'm sorry i havent known much about single needling,is "single needling" a technical word as a kind of treatment?u did it at clinic or home for little pores scars?

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Hi, thanks for the advice. Sorry if this has already been asked before but where do you get your derma needles and stamps from? Also, do you think a needle length of 1mm is enough to be effective? Thank you.

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Any update?

DC-girl, how your skin feeling now? Do you still get improvements?

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Hey DC girl! Do you know if progesterone OR vitamin E help dissolve scar tissue?!

I really have been trying to find something on Google but I'm not sure... maybe you know something.

I was thinking maybe the progeste helped in that sense... one of those ingredients. Also the massaging when you would put it on since it takes a while to sink in, how long did you massage for?

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What gave you that idea? Scar tissue is made of protein, so only a protease could theoretically dissolve it.

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Hey DC girl! Do you know if progesterone OR vitamin E help dissolve scar tissue?!

I really have been trying to find something on Google but I'm not sure... maybe you know something.

I was thinking maybe the progeste helped in that sense... one of those ingredients. Also the massaging when you would put it on since it takes a while to sink in, how long did you massage for?

Yes, vitamin E actually sheds skin and also softens the scar tissue, so it will remodal and help bloodflow renew the scar in combonation with massage.

You'll want to needle it though too.

What gave you that idea? Scar tissue is made of protein, so only a protease could theoretically dissolve it.

Well, dissolve isn't the right word. You don't want a hole in your face. But vitamin E will indeed help soften and renew the scared skin and accelrate heaing along with needling.

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Hey DC girl! Do you know if progesterone OR vitamin E help dissolve scar tissue?!

I really have been trying to find something on Google but I'm not sure... maybe you know something.

I was thinking maybe the progeste helped in that sense... one of those ingredients. Also the massaging when you would put it on since it takes a while to sink in, how long did you massage for?

Yes, vitamin E actually sheds skin and also softens the scar tissue, so it will remodal and help bloodflow renew the scar in combonation with massage.

You'll want to needle it though too.

>What gave you that idea? Scar tissue is made of protein, so only a protease could theoretically dissolve it.

Well, dissolve isn't the right word. You don't want a hole in your face. But vitamin E will indeed help soften and renew the scared skin and accelrate heaing along with needling.

Thank you for answering DC girl, I will be doing both.

What gave you that idea? Scar tissue is made of protein, so only a protease could theoretically dissolve it.

Yes sorry Factoid, I meant soften not dissolve. Does that mean using ACV & pineapple topically would help with scars? I know both have lots of enzymes maybe applying them topically would help.

http://healyourselfathome.com/HOW/NEWSTARTS/1_NUTRITION/ENZYMES/boost_body_proteolytic_enzymes.aspx

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What gave you that idea? Scar tissue is made of protein, so only a protease could theoretically dissolve it.

Well, dissolve isn't the right word. You don't want a hole in your face. But vitamin E will indeed help soften and renew the scared skin and accelrate heaing along with needling.

Protease doesn't work like an acid, there wouldn't be any holes, the lysed (broken down) scar-tissue proteins would conceivably be replaced with normal, healthy collagen fibers. In theory, at least.

And Vitamin A is a much better topical than Vitamin E for that sort of thing, one of last year's combination therapy studies mentioned how it also helps scarred skin grow back less scarred due to the way it affects collagen weaving.

Yes sorry Factoid, I meant soften not dissolve. Does that mean using ACV & pineapple topically would help with scars? I know both have lots of enzymes maybe applying them topically would help.

http://healyourselfathome.com/HOW/NEWSTARTS/1_NUTRITION/ENZYMES/boost_body_proteolytic_enzymes.aspx

Raised linear scars? Possibly. Atrophic acne scars? Nope, simply "softening" scar-tissue isn't going to fill in an atrophic scar, you need to induce trauma to get that going. TCA does both, it will dissolve scar-tissue AND initiate some serious collagenesis.

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What gave you that idea? Scar tissue is made of protein, so only a protease could theoretically dissolve it.

Well, dissolve isn't the right word. You don't want a hole in your face. But vitamin E will indeed help soften and renew the scared skin and accelrate heaing along with needling.

Protease doesn't work like an acid, there wouldn't be any holes, the lysed (broken down) scar-tissue proteins would conceivably be replaced with normal, healthy collagen fibers. In theory, at least.

And Vitamin A is a much better topical than Vitamin E for that sort of thing, one of last year's combination therapy studies mentioned how it also helps scarred skin grow back less scarred due to the way it affects collagen weaving.

>Yes sorry Factoid, I meant soften not dissolve. Does that mean using ACV & pineapple topically would help with scars? I know both have lots of enzymes maybe applying them topically would help.

http://healyourselfathome.com/HOW/NEWSTARTS/1_NUTRITION/ENZYMES/boost_body_proteolytic_enzymes.aspx

Raised linear scars? Possibly. Atrophic acne scars? Nope, simply "softening" scar-tissue isn't going to fill in an atrophic scar, you need to induce trauma to get that going. TCA does both, it will dissolve scar-tissue AND initiate some serious collagenesis.

Okay that's good to know! thanks!

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Hi DC-girl, I remember reading a post where you posted you scheduled a consultation with Dr. Lam in Dallas, TX. Just wondering if got TCA Cross treatment from him or what is your impression of him. I am thinking of going to see him for ice pick and boxcar scars. Thanks.

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Hi DC-girl, I remember reading a post where you posted you scheduled a consultation with Dr. Lam in Dallas, TX. Just wondering if got TCA Cross treatment from him or what is your impression of him. I am thinking of going to see him for ice pick and boxcar scars. Thanks.

I have not gotten cross from him but I do like and recommend him.

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I still can't believe how much your scars improved I wonder how's your skin doing right now.. I can't wait to dermastamp and do TCA 

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I just had dermarolling done..

The doc recommended only using Retin-A .4% every other day. 

Not sure if I should use it or not.

I always hear about how you should keep the skin moist for wound healing. Not sure if I should be using Vaseline or not or coconut oil or something to keep it moist with.

I'm not into using drugs at all, but I just want good skin.

I have pretty much "virgin" skin if you will. I've never really done anything to it before or used anything topically besides natural things.

I already eat healthy but I plan on eating more variety to get all the minerals and vitamins needed. I intend to juice once a day and continue intermittent fasting along with exercising. 

I don't eat any grains or any processed sugars, no dairy except for kefir (anything else makes me break out).

My diet basically consists of meat, veggies, fruit, nuts/seeds.

DC-girl, what do you think about flax oil?

 

 

 

 

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