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I realized that 6 days was not enough for my skin to get used to it. However, I did notice that my skin got more wrinkles and more noticeable scars for some reason. I believe some people refer to this as a Swiss cheese effect. My face was so irritated and peeling the entire time. I do not think retin-a works for deep scars anyways. I wanted to see if it would help with skin texture and hyperpigmentation. After reading horrible stories about retin-a creating more scars and worsening orange peel texture, I decided to drop it. I used retiride 0.05%, which is equivalent of renova cream 0.05%.

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hey Dc girl first off, wow, thats the best results on that sort of scarring i have ever seen. period.

was it a series of TCA peels not TCA cross?

sorry for the questions i know you have already been asked loads. i think TCA peel could be the one for me, but i'm nervous


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@.JacktheLad. Yeah, peels, not cross, but I mostly did spot treating. And sometimes multiple layers of 30% so it's almost like cross. Don't be nervous, be educated and you'll be fine.

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@aurevoir771 Got a quick question for you DC-Girl. You said you went off retin-a before doing any treatment. How long were you off of retin-a before you did your first treatment? YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO BE OFF RETIN-A AT LEAST 7-10 DAYS BEFORE YOU DO A PEEL.

Also, did you start with TCA peel first or dermastamp? DON'T KNOW, DOESN'T MATTER. STAMPING/NEEDLING IS GOOD FOR THICK SCARS, OLD SCARS AND TCA GIVES QUICK RESULTS FOR NEWER SHALLOW SCARRING.

I used retin-a out of curiosity for 6 days, but dropped it right away because it was only doing harms to my skin. I think vitamin A products in general can do more harms than goods when it comes to dealing with scarring.

NO, IT'S NOT THE VITAMIN A THAT'S THE PROBLEM, IT'S THE SYNTHETIC VERSION THAT THESE GUYS HAVE MANUFACTURED AS RETIN-A THAT'S TOXIC FOR YOU. VITAMIN A IS VERY GOOD FOR YOU. BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE A PROPER DIET THAT GETS YOU PLENY OF VITAMIN A MORE THAN ANYTHING TOPICAL IS GIVING YOU. GIVING UP RETIN-A WAS A GOOD DECISION. BRAVO.

It has been a week since I came off retin-a, and I want to start the treatment ASAP. At the same time, I am scared that my skin is too sensitive at the moment due to vitamin A overdose. Your insight would be greatly helpful. Thanks.

FIRST OFF, DON'T BE IN A RUSH, IT TAKES TIME TO FIX SCARRING. IT TAKES 30 DAYS FOR YOUR SKIN TO TURNOVER SO TRY TO BE PATIENT. IF YOU'R NOT ON ACCUTANE THEN 7-10 AFTER QUITTING RETIN-A SHOULD BE FINE TO START TCA/STAMPING.
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hi dc girl i seen you used the dermastamp was it a electronic one also why did you not opt for the dermastamp as oppossed to the roller?.

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I cant quote fs but what would you say perhaps the dermaroller would be more effective

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I've been derma rolling copper peptides msm lotion and vitamins. I have a TCA peal and your tempting me to add it in....

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You want to be careful with both silicone and subcision because they're gonna have permanent consequences (hopefully good ones). So make sure you do your research and trust whomever is doing it.

I've heard of countless horror stories about silicone injections but no disastrous fallout yet from subcision gone terribly wrong. With subcision, you're basically breaking up the tethered scar tissues so I can't think of any major risk other than possible infection.

sometime you can get a scar from subcision from the needle thats what i heard

Yep, you could. I remember watching a video of subcision and after seeing how careless they seem to be with the skin I decided I'd rather needle them myself. You can get great results with home needling even if you have huge scars.

Check this thread out.

DC-girl I think that is great advice and thank you for sharing your success! Your skin looks incredible.

I can tell you that I had subcision done and it was a huge mistake for me personally. It left me with huge raised lumps for at least 10 months, I still have two left and it's been a year since I had it done. The lumps are basically hardened raised scar tissue which I was surprised by because I do not get hypertrophic or keloid scarring. It also created new pitted scars, much larger than a tiny needle point that people typically mention. To top it all off it didn't improve any of the scars it was supposed to treat in the first place, only deepened a few! (Partially because now there is raised lumps next to pits ugh)

I know subcision has been great for so many and I do think that when it works it's a great treatment. However, I just wanted to warn you guys that there are huge risks as well - especially if your body isn't healing well for whatever reason - so just be aware. If I had known what I know now I would definitely do what DC girl has suggested and aggressively single needle scars instead at least to minimize the risks.

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Wow, it looks like you got a good improvement there and it's always great to hear success stories :) .

I know i'm going to sound a bit like a downer when i say this but, the before and after pictures are in very different lighting circumstances and the first one looks to be a much harsher light. Any chance we could see your cheek now under the same light? It would really put to bed all the nay-sayers.

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You want to be careful with both silicone and subcision because they're gonna have permanent consequences (hopefully good ones). So make sure you do your research and trust whomever is doing it.

I've heard of countless horror stories about silicone injections but no disastrous fallout yet from subcision gone terribly wrong. With subcision, you're basically breaking up the tethered scar tissues so I can't think of any major risk other than possible infection.

sometime you can get a scar from subcision from the needle thats what i heard

Yep, you could. I remember watching a video of subcision and after seeing how careless they seem to be with the skin I decided I'd rather needle them myself. You can get great results with home needling even if you have huge scars.

Check this thread out.

DC-girl I think that is great advice and thank you for sharing your success! Your skin looks incredible.

I can tell you that I had subcision done and it was a huge mistake for me personally. It left me with huge raised lumps for at least 10 months, I still have two left and it's been a year since I had it done. The lumps are basically hardened raised scar tissue which I was surprised by because I do not get hypertrophic or keloid scarring. It also created new pitted scars, much larger than a tiny needle point that people typically mention. To top it all off it didn't improve any of the scars it was supposed to treat in the first place, only deepened a few! (Partially because now there is raised lumps next to pits ugh)

I know subcision has been great for so many and I do think that when it works it's a great treatment. However, I just wanted to warn you guys that there are huge risks as well - especially if your body isn't healing well for whatever reason - so just be aware. If I had known what I know now I would definitely do what DC girl has suggested and aggressively single needle scars instead at least to minimize the risks.

I had a similar experience, although not quite as bad as you describe. I didn't get any new pitting but it did leave hardened scar tissue that looks bumpy still. He blasted it with liquid nitrogen 2 weeks after and then I massaged it for months. It did go down quite a bit as it was VERY raised initially. However I'm not sure I would have done it had I known, as it only filled in the scar a little bit and now I have bumpy scar tissue in addition.

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You want to be careful with both silicone and subcision because they're gonna have permanent consequences (hopefully good ones). So make sure you do your research and trust whomever is doing it.

I've heard of countless horror stories about silicone injections but no disastrous fallout yet from subcision gone terribly wrong. With subcision, you're basically breaking up the tethered scar tissues so I can't think of any major risk other than possible infection.

sometime you can get a scar from subcision from the needle thats what i heard

Yep, you could. I remember watching a video of subcision and after seeing how careless they seem to be with the skin I decided I'd rather needle them myself. You can get great results with home needling even if you have huge scars.

Check this thread out.

DC-girl I think that is great advice and thank you for sharing your success! Your skin looks incredible.

I can tell you that I had subcision done and it was a huge mistake for me personally. It left me with huge raised lumps for at least 10 months, I still have two left and it's been a year since I had it done. The lumps are basically hardened raised scar tissue which I was surprised by because I do not get hypertrophic or keloid scarring. It also created new pitted scars, much larger than a tiny needle point that people typically mention. To top it all off it didn't improve any of the scars it was supposed to treat in the first place, only deepened a few! (Partially because now there is raised lumps next to pits ugh)

I know subcision has been great for so many and I do think that when it works it's a great treatment. However, I just wanted to warn you guys that there are huge risks as well - especially if your body isn't healing well for whatever reason - so just be aware. If I had known what I know now I would definitely do what DC girl has suggested and aggressively single needle scars instead at least to minimize the risks.

I had a similar experience, although not quite as bad as you describe. I didn't get any new pitting but it did leave hardened scar tissue that looks bumpy still. He blasted it with liquid nitrogen 2 weeks after and then I massaged it for months. It did go down quite a bit as it was VERY raised initially. However I'm not sure I would have done it had I known, as it only filled in the scar a little bit and now I have bumpy scar tissue in addition.

Hey michi! I remember discussing this with you last year actually. I am glad to hear that the liquid nitrogen helped but disappointed to hear that it did not completely resolve the issue... Have you tried needling the scar tissue?

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Hi sadpotatoes - I don't really see a point in needling the scar tissue, since needling creates more collagen. It won't remove the scar tissue so I think it has potential to build it up and make it worse. If anything, I will pursue a light cortisone/5-FU injection. But I don't know if I will risk that either. What are your plans?

You want to be careful with both silicone and subcision because they're gonna have permanent consequences (hopefully good ones). So make sure you do your research and trust whomever is doing it.

I've heard of countless horror stories about silicone injections but no disastrous fallout yet from subcision gone terribly wrong. With subcision, you're basically breaking up the tethered scar tissues so I can't think of any major risk other than possible infection.

sometime you can get a scar from subcision from the needle thats what i heard


Yep, you could. I remember watching a video of subcision and after seeing how careless they seem to be with the skin I decided I'd rather needle them myself. You can get great results with home needling even if you have huge scars.

Check this thread out.

DC-girl I think that is great advice and thank you for sharing your success! Your skin looks incredible.

I can tell you that I had subcision done and it was a huge mistake for me personally. It left me with huge raised lumps for at least 10 months, I still have two left and it's been a year since I had it done. The lumps are basically hardened raised scar tissue which I was surprised by because I do not get hypertrophic or keloid scarring. It also created new pitted scars, much larger than a tiny needle point that people typically mention. To top it all off it didn't improve any of the scars it was supposed to treat in the first place, only deepened a few! (Partially because now there is raised lumps next to pits ugh)

I know subcision has been great for so many and I do think that when it works it's a great treatment. However, I just wanted to warn you guys that there are huge risks as well - especially if your body isn't healing well for whatever reason - so just be aware. If I had known what I know now I would definitely do what DC girl has suggested and aggressively single needle scars instead at least to minimize the risks.

I had a similar experience, although not quite as bad as you describe. I didn't get any new pitting but it did leave hardened scar tissue that looks bumpy still. He blasted it with liquid nitrogen 2 weeks after and then I massaged it for months. It did go down quite a bit as it was VERY raised initially. However I'm not sure I would have done it had I known, as it only filled in the scar a little bit and now I have bumpy scar tissue in addition.

Hey michi! I remember discussing this with you last year actually. I am glad to hear that the liquid nitrogen helped but disappointed to hear that it did not completely resolve the issue... Have you tried needling the scar tissue?

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Congratulations DC- Girl!!! :) Spectacular improvement !!!!!!!!

I just wanted to know the reason you stopped using retin -a. I have found it beneficial. However, I need to use it sparingly and sometimes not use it for a few days or a week. I'm not sure whether I'll use it longterm (i.e. to prevent aging), but so far, it has helped my skin immensely.

Thanks for sharing and documenting your journey and giving others true hope :) <3

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Congrats DC-Girl!!! cheer.gif I am amazed at the results you've achieved, your skin looks absolutely amazing!!! Gives me hope to continue on with my derma stamping (5th treatment is coming up soon) I am planning to continue with the derma stamping as I have come across many success stories of people completely removing their scars after prolonged use. Only thing is sometimes I look in the mirror and can't help but feel a bit disheartened at how slow the results are. For example, it's 3 weeks after my 4th treatment and I have not seen much improvement so It can be quite frustrating, but I just try to remind myself hat it can take time.

Therefore, my question for you is, after how many needling treatments did you begin to see results? (like scars starting to fill in)

I am currently using a 1.5 derma stamp. I much prefer it to the roller but I am wondering did you see a difference in the way of results when you used the 2.0 derma stamp compared to the 1.5?

I know you are being bombarded with questions so I'll just leave it at those two, seems you've already given us a lot of useful tips!

A million and one thankseusa_clap.gif for coming here and posting a photo of your wonderful results. So many people don't so I really appreciate it! It's people like you who give us hope to continue fighting this acne scar battle. Just knowing that others out there, like you, have had success with such simple treatments such as needling and peels is such a relief in a way.

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Congrats DC-Girl!!! cheer.gif I am amazed at the results you've achieved, your skin looks absolutely amazing!!! Gives me hope to continue on with my derma stamping (5th treatment is coming up soon) I am planning to continue with the derma stamping as I have come across many success stories of people completely removing their scars after prolonged use. Only thing is sometimes I look in the mirror and can't help but feel a bit disheartened at how slow the results are. For example, it's 3 weeks after my 4th treatment and I have not seen much improvement so It can be quite frustrating, but I just try to remind myself hat it can take time.

Therefore, my question for you is, after how many needling treatments did you begin to see results? (like scars starting to fill in)

I am currently using a 1.5 derma stamp. I much prefer it to the roller but I am wondering did you see a difference in the way of results when you used the 2.0 derma stamp compared to the 1.5?

I know you are being bombarded with questions so I'll just leave it at those two, seems you've already given us a lot of useful tips!

A million and one thankseusa_clap.gif for coming here and posting a photo of your wonderful results. So many people don't so I really appreciate it! It's people like you who give us hope to continue fighting this acne scar battle. Just knowing that others out there, like you, have had success with such simple treatments such as needling and peels is such a relief in a way.

Well, with TCA, often notice results right away if the scar is shallow. With needling, I don't know it's very gradual, not really sure. Maybe 6-9months? Keep in mind I attribute my improvement to EVERYTHING I DO, not just needling. Diet is important for repairing new skin without more inflammtion.

I don't know about 1.5 vs 2 but 2 is probably better, just cause it'll go deeper.

And you're welcome, glad I could help!

hi dc girl i seen you used the dermastamp was it a electronic one also why did you not opt for the dermastamp as oppossed to the roller?.

No it was not an electronic one. And I prefer the stamp because it hurts less and is easier to use.

DC-girl, have you ever taken Accutane (isotretinoin) before?

Nope.

@perigon

I can't quote for some reason, but I already know, Nay sayers will believe what they want to believe NO MATTER WHAT I SAY OR POST.

However, I'm traveling for the next month, so when I get home I will try to take a pic in the same lighting, in the same spot, etc.

That can be very hard to do, but I'll try. I've taken selfies before where they were only seconds apart from eachother but the lighting came out different just because the phone moved a 1/2 inch in any direction.

@SilverOreganoOlive

I can't quote you either for some reason.

But I've answered this question before, I've read studies where there was increased mortality, so I don't believe it's safe and also it didn't help my skin, it make it look worse.

You want to be careful with both silicone and subcision because they're gonna have permanent consequences (hopefully good ones). So make sure you do your research and trust whomever is doing it.

I've heard of countless horror stories about silicone injections but no disastrous fallout yet from subcision gone terribly wrong. With subcision, you're basically breaking up the tethered scar tissues so I can't think of any major risk other than possible infection.

sometime you can get a scar from subcision from the needle thats what i heard

Yep, you could. I remember watching a video of subcision and after seeing how careless they seem to be with the skin I decided I'd rather needle them myself. You can get great results with home needling even if you have huge scars.

Check this thread out.

DC-girl I think that is great advice and thank you for sharing your success! Your skin looks incredible.

I can tell you that I had subcision done and it was a huge mistake for me personally. It left me with huge raised lumps for at least 10 months, I still have two left and it's been a year since I had it done. The lumps are basically hardened raised scar tissue which I was surprised by because I do not get hypertrophic or keloid scarring. It also created new pitted scars, much larger than a tiny needle point that people typically mention. To top it all off it didn't improve any of the scars it was supposed to treat in the first place, only deepened a few! (Partially because now there is raised lumps next to pits ugh)

I know subcision has been great for so many and I do think that when it works it's a great treatment. However, I just wanted to warn you guys that there are huge risks as well - especially if your body isn't healing well for whatever reason - so just be aware. If I had known what I know now I would definitely do what DC girl has suggested and aggressively single needle scars instead at least to minimize the risks.

I had a similar experience, although not quite as bad as you describe. I didn't get any new pitting but it did leave hardened scar tissue that looks bumpy still. He blasted it with liquid nitrogen 2 weeks after and then I massaged it for months. It did go down quite a bit as it was VERY raised initially. However I'm not sure I would have done it had I known, as it only filled in the scar a little bit and now I have bumpy scar tissue in addition.

Massage it VERY VERY HARD with vitamin E. Vitamin E is anti-inflammatory; scars are just inflammation, a case of too much inflammation so the skin couldn't heal like normal. That's why some people get a zit and scar and other get a zit and don't scar. Your diet affect the levels of inflammation in your body.

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Hey DC-girl. I am interested in adding in some tca to spot treat as well but I am just wondering how you applied it as a spot treatment? I've done tca cross before and I attempted a peel once but I haven't done a spot treatment with a peel, unless you are referring to a tca cross? Do you use a cotten swab, qtip or toothpick to apply the tca... sorry i'm a bit lost lol.

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Hey DC-girl. I am interested in adding in some tca to spot treat as well but I am just wondering how you applied it as a spot treatment? I've done tca cross before and I attempted a peel once but I haven't done a spot treatment with a peel, unless you are referring to a tca cross? Do you use a cotten swab, qtip or toothpick to apply the tca... sorry i'm a bit lost lol.

I use a toothpick with usually a 30% tca to spot treat scars, I dont' usually do full face because of the downtime.

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From what I've read needling is supposed to fill up indented scars and flatten hardened collagen. (Although keloids respond unpredictably so maybe not for them)

For the last few months I have been trying needling/stamping. I have been trying to aggressively stamp both the hard lumps and the pitted scars. I have done 3 treatments so far. The first was a professional session in the doctors office with a 1.5 mm dermaroller. The next two sessions (all spaced 8 weeks apart) I've done at home with a 1.5 mm stamp. The 3rd session I also tried single needling a few of the scars.

So far I think I am seeing a SLIGHT improvement. I have one scar, created from subcision, that has not improved at all. Grr. In fact may be getting worse I can't tell. Some of the other ones though I think are getting a tiny bit better... hard to tell but I'm going to keep trying. The last round was also the first time I really went after the hardened lumps... so we'll see what happens with those.

I also have recently (few months) changed my diet pretty drastically so I'm hoping that helps as well. I would love to add in TCA spot treatment but I'm scared! :)

Hi sadpotatoes - I don't really see a point in needling the scar tissue, since needling creates more collagen. It won't remove the scar tissue so I think it has potential to build it up and make it worse. If anything, I will pursue a light cortisone/5-FU injection. But I don't know if I will risk that either. What are your plans?

You want to be careful with both silicone and subcision because they're gonna have permanent consequences (hopefully good ones). So make sure you do your research and trust whomever is doing it.

I've heard of countless horror stories about silicone injections but no disastrous fallout yet from subcision gone terribly wrong. With subcision, you're basically breaking up the tethered scar tissues so I can't think of any major risk other than possible infection.

sometime you can get a scar from subcision from the needle thats what i heard


Yep, you could. I remember watching a video of subcision and after seeing how careless they seem to be with the skin I decided I'd rather needle them myself. You can get great results with home needling even if you have huge scars.

Check this thread out.

DC-girl I think that is great advice and thank you for sharing your success! Your skin looks incredible.

I can tell you that I had subcision done and it was a huge mistake for me personally. It left me with huge raised lumps for at least 10 months, I still have two left and it's been a year since I had it done. The lumps are basically hardened raised scar tissue which I was surprised by because I do not get hypertrophic or keloid scarring. It also created new pitted scars, much larger than a tiny needle point that people typically mention. To top it all off it didn't improve any of the scars it was supposed to treat in the first place, only deepened a few! (Partially because now there is raised lumps next to pits ugh)

I know subcision has been great for so many and I do think that when it works it's a great treatment. However, I just wanted to warn you guys that there are huge risks as well - especially if your body isn't healing well for whatever reason - so just be aware. If I had known what I know now I would definitely do what DC girl has suggested and aggressively single needle scars instead at least to minimize the risks.

I had a similar experience, although not quite as bad as you describe. I didn't get any new pitting but it did leave hardened scar tissue that looks bumpy still. He blasted it with liquid nitrogen 2 weeks after and then I massaged it for months. It did go down quite a bit as it was VERY raised initially. However I'm not sure I would have done it had I known, as it only filled in the scar a little bit and now I have bumpy scar tissue in addition.

Hey michi! I remember discussing this with you last year actually. I am glad to hear that the liquid nitrogen helped but disappointed to hear that it did not completely resolve the issue... Have you tried needling the scar tissue?



Thanks, DC-girl. Do you think vitamin E also helps when you have a fresh scar? As in a pimple that just healed but has left a large pore/ice pick behind...?

Massage it VERY VERY HARD with vitamin E. Vitamin E is anti-inflammatory; scars are just inflammation, a case of too much inflammation so the skin couldn't heal like normal. That's why some people get a zit and scar and other get a zit and don't scar. Your diet affect the levels of inflammation in your body.

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That's good to know sadpotatoes! Glad you are seeing some improvement. I do have a dermaroller at home and will try it. I am a little bit scared of making things worse. Also DO NOT apply vitamin E to scars. It is a common misconception that it helps, when in fact it could be detrimental. I make sure there is no vitamin E in anything I use.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10417589

From what I've read needling is supposed to fill up indented scars and flatten hardened collagen. (Although keloids respond unpredictably so maybe not for them)

For the last few months I have been trying needling/stamping. I have been trying to aggressively stamp both the hard lumps and the pitted scars. I have done 3 treatments so far. The first was a professional session in the doctors office with a 1.5 mm dermaroller. The next two sessions (all spaced 8 weeks apart) I've done at home with a 1.5 mm stamp. The 3rd session I also tried single needling a few of the scars.

So far I think I am seeing a SLIGHT improvement. I have one scar, created from subcision, that has not improved at all. Grr. In fact may be getting worse I can't tell. Some of the other ones though I think are getting a tiny bit better... hard to tell but I'm going to keep trying. The last round was also the first time I really went after the hardened lumps... so we'll see what happens with those.

I also have recently (few months) changed my diet pretty drastically so I'm hoping that helps as well. I would love to add in TCA spot treatment but I'm scared!

Hi sadpotatoes - I don't really see a point in needling the scar tissue, since needling creates more collagen. It won't remove the scar tissue so I think it has potential to build it up and make it worse. If anything, I will pursue a light cortisone/5-FU injection. But I don't know if I will risk that either. What are your plans?

You want to be careful with both silicone and subcision because they're gonna have permanent consequences (hopefully good ones). So make sure you do your research and trust whomever is doing it.

I've heard of countless horror stories about silicone injections but no disastrous fallout yet from subcision gone terribly wrong. With subcision, you're basically breaking up the tethered scar tissues so I can't think of any major risk other than possible infection.

sometime you can get a scar from subcision from the needle thats what i heard


Yep, you could. I remember watching a video of subcision and after seeing how careless they seem to be with the skin I decided I'd rather needle them myself. You can get great results with home needling even if you have huge scars.

Check this thread out.

DC-girl I think that is great advice and thank you for sharing your success! Your skin looks incredible.

I can tell you that I had subcision done and it was a huge mistake for me personally. It left me with huge raised lumps for at least 10 months, I still have two left and it's been a year since I had it done. The lumps are basically hardened raised scar tissue which I was surprised by because I do not get hypertrophic or keloid scarring. It also created new pitted scars, much larger than a tiny needle point that people typically mention. To top it all off it didn't improve any of the scars it was supposed to treat in the first place, only deepened a few! (Partially because now there is raised lumps next to pits ugh)

I know subcision has been great for so many and I do think that when it works it's a great treatment. However, I just wanted to warn you guys that there are huge risks as well - especially if your body isn't healing well for whatever reason - so just be aware. If I had known what I know now I would definitely do what DC girl has suggested and aggressively single needle scars instead at least to minimize the risks.

I had a similar experience, although not quite as bad as you describe. I didn't get any new pitting but it did leave hardened scar tissue that looks bumpy still. He blasted it with liquid nitrogen 2 weeks after and then I massaged it for months. It did go down quite a bit as it was VERY raised initially. However I'm not sure I would have done it had I known, as it only filled in the scar a little bit and now I have bumpy scar tissue in addition.

Hey michi! I remember discussing this with you last year actually. I am glad to hear that the liquid nitrogen helped but disappointed to hear that it did not completely resolve the issue... Have you tried needling the scar tissue?



Thanks, DC-girl. Do you think vitamin E also helps when you have a fresh scar? As in a pimple that just healed but has left a large pore/ice pick behind...?

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Massage it VERY VERY HARD with vitamin E. Vitamin E is anti-inflammatory; scars are just inflammation, a case of too much inflammation so the skin couldn't heal like normal. That's why some people get a zit and scar and other get a zit and don't scar. Your diet affect the levels of inflammation in your body.

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From what I've read needling is supposed to fill up indented scars and flatten hardened collagen. (Although keloids respond unpredictably so maybe not for them)

For the last few months I have been trying needling/stamping. I have been trying to aggressively stamp both the hard lumps and the pitted scars. I have done 3 treatments so far. The first was a professional session in the doctors office with a 1.5 mm dermaroller. The next two sessions (all spaced 8 weeks apart) I've done at home with a 1.5 mm stamp. The 3rd session I also tried single needling a few of the scars.

So far I think I am seeing a SLIGHT improvement. I have one scar, created from subcision, that has not improved at all. Grr. In fact may be getting worse I can't tell. Some of the other ones though I think are getting a tiny bit better... hard to tell but I'm going to keep trying. The last round was also the first time I really went after the hardened lumps... so we'll see what happens with those.

I also have recently (few months) changed my diet pretty drastically so I'm hoping that helps as well. I would love to add in TCA spot treatment but I'm scared!

Hi sadpotatoes - I don't really see a point in needling the scar tissue, since needling creates more collagen. It won't remove the scar tissue so I think it has potential to build it up and make it worse. If anything, I will pursue a light cortisone/5-FU injection. But I don't know if I will risk that either. What are your plans?

You want to be careful with both silicone and subcision because they're gonna have permanent consequences (hopefully good ones). So make sure you do your research and trust whomever is doing it.

I've heard of countless horror stories about silicone injections but no disastrous fallout yet from subcision gone terribly wrong. With subcision, you're basically breaking up the tethered scar tissues so I can't think of any major risk other than possible infection.

sometime you can get a scar from subcision from the needle thats what i heard

Yep, you could. I remember watching a video of subcision and after seeing how careless they seem to be with the skin I decided I'd rather needle them myself. You can get great results with home needling even if you have huge scars.

Check this thread out.

DC-girl I think that is great advice and thank you for sharing your success! Your skin looks incredible.

I can tell you that I had subcision done and it was a huge mistake for me personally. It left me with huge raised lumps for at least 10 months, I still have two left and it's been a year since I had it done. The lumps are basically hardened raised scar tissue which I was surprised by because I do not get hypertrophic or keloid scarring. It also created new pitted scars, much larger than a tiny needle point that people typically mention. To top it all off it didn't improve any of the scars it was supposed to treat in the first place, only deepened a few! (Partially because now there is raised lumps next to pits ugh)

I know subcision has been great for so many and I do think that when it works it's a great treatment. However, I just wanted to warn you guys that there are huge risks as well - especially if your body isn't healing well for whatever reason - so just be aware. If I had known what I know now I would definitely do what DC girl has suggested and aggressively single needle scars instead at least to minimize the risks.

I had a similar experience, although not quite as bad as you describe. I didn't get any new pitting but it did leave hardened scar tissue that looks bumpy still. He blasted it with liquid nitrogen 2 weeks after and then I massaged it for months. It did go down quite a bit as it was VERY raised initially. However I'm not sure I would have done it had I known, as it only filled in the scar a little bit and now I have bumpy scar tissue in addition.

Hey michi! I remember discussing this with you last year actually. I am glad to hear that the liquid nitrogen helped but disappointed to hear that it did not completely resolve the issue... Have you tried needling the scar tissue?

Thanks, DC-girl. Do you think vitamin E also helps when you have a fresh scar? As in a pimple that just healed but has left a large pore/ice pick behind...?

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Massage it VERY VERY HARD with vitamin E. Vitamin E is anti-inflammatory; scars are just inflammation, a case of too much inflammation so the skin couldn't heal like normal. That's why some people get a zit and scar and other get a zit and don't scar. Your diet affect the levels of inflammation in your body.

Yes, it will help new wounds or scars.

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Vitamin E has been shown to be completely ineffective for scars and can actually cause contact dermatitis and worse scarring. I hate that people keep repeating this old wives tale.

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