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Posted 22 January 2014 - 05:13 PM

How soon depends on what kind of intolerance you might have to those foods. And if you are intolerant to something else that you are still eating you might not notice anything. I would definitely still have severe cystic acne because I would still be eating the food that caused them. And since you didn't mention sugar or avoiding high glycemic impacting meals, I would still have extremely oily skin, blackheads and normal inflamed acne. And I could eat like that forever and not improve.

 

But say I do eliminate the foods I'm intolerant to (according to my IgG blood test results), should I not get any new acne then? It's been about three days since I cut out the foods that showed up as "avoid" on my blood test, and it seems I am still getting new pimples. Is that just a slow reaction from, say, something I ate four days ago?



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 11:15 AM

How soon depends on what kind of intolerance you might have to those foods. And if you are intolerant to something else that you are still eating you might not notice anything. I would definitely still have severe cystic acne because I would still be eating the food that caused them. And since you didn't mention sugar or avoiding high glycemic impacting meals, I would still have extremely oily skin, blackheads and normal inflamed acne. And I could eat like that forever and not improve.

 

But say I do eliminate the foods I'm intolerant to (according to my IgG blood test results), should I not get any new acne then? It's been about three days since I cut out the foods that showed up as "avoid" on my blood test, and it seems I am still getting new pimples. Is that just a slow reaction from, say, something I ate four days ago?

 

Depends partly on how frequently you go #2



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 12:02 PM

I'm not an expert on this but it would make sense that IF you would have some sort of food intolerance the "acne" from that would be just some hives or some sort of rash not really the original acne, like papules and pustules.



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 12:19 PM

 

How soon depends on what kind of intolerance you might have to those foods. And if you are intolerant to something else that you are still eating you might not notice anything. I would definitely still have severe cystic acne because I would still be eating the food that caused them. And since you didn't mention sugar or avoiding high glycemic impacting meals, I would still have extremely oily skin, blackheads and normal inflamed acne. And I could eat like that forever and not improve.

 

But say I do eliminate the foods I'm intolerant to (according to my IgG blood test results), should I not get any new acne then? It's been about three days since I cut out the foods that showed up as "avoid" on my blood test, and it seems I am still getting new pimples. Is that just a slow reaction from, say, something I ate four days ago?

 

Depends partly on how frequently you go #2

Once a day.



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 12:46 PM

I'm not an expert on this but it would make sense that IF you would have some sort of food intolerance the "acne" from that would be just some hives or some sort of rash not really the original acne, like papules and pustules.

 

Not necessarily. IgE, yeah, but that's allergy. There's a lot more to immune reactions. Contact dermatitis is a good example - you can get pustules from something like detergent or poison ivy, and they look slightly different depending on the antigen. But that's when a concentrated antigen comes into contact with a patch of skin. What if you were to eat an antigen and have fragmented bits of it cross into your blood, thus diluting the antigen? You would get a more random distribution of spots. Since sebaceous glands are a necessary condition for acne, those spots are restricted to certain areas of the body.

 

It's certainly more complicated than that. There are lots of immune factors involved, and scientists are just now realizing that inflammatory events begin before colonization with P. acnes.



Once a day.

 

Three days in, you should see fewer new spots. If you're not, I would consider other potential offenders.



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 01:08 PM

Well my acne and oily skin started when I was 13, I'm 30 now and over the years I have been on many different diets and never I have seen any effects on my skin with diet. Three years ago I suddenly got birch allergy, never before I had any effect on birch before that. And my forehead has cleared on it's own, I get no acne on forehead now.



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 01:53 PM

I just decided that I will do that IgG food intolerance test, out of curiosity. Let's see what happens.



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 02:55 PM

I'm not an expert on this but it would make sense that IF you would have some sort of food intolerance the "acne" from that would be just some hives or some sort of rash not really the original acne, like papules and pustules.

 

Not necessarily. IgE, yeah, but that's allergy. There's a lot more to immune reactions. Contact dermatitis is a good example - you can get pustules from something like detergent or poison ivy, and they look slightly different depending on the antigen. But that's when a concentrated antigen comes into contact with a patch of skin. What if you were to eat an antigen and have fragmented bits of it cross into your blood, thus diluting the antigen? You would get a more random distribution of spots. Since sebaceous glands are a necessary condition for acne, those spots are restricted to certain areas of the body.

 

It's certainly more complicated than that. There are lots of immune factors involved, and scientists are just now realizing that inflammatory events begin before colonization with P. acnes.



>Once a day.

 

Three days in, you should see fewer new spots. If you're not, I would consider other potential offenders.

 

 

I feel like I've eliminated so much food already. My meals pretty much consists of pork, avocado, quinoa, kale, sweet potatos, broccoli, cucumbers, lentils, coconut oil (to fry), tamari sauce, and fruits (canteloupe, apples, pears). I also drink a protein shake that has blueberry, blackberries, flaxseed, chia seeds, fish oil omega d3, l-glutamine, and hemp protein.

 

None of these came up as something I'm intolerant to on my IgG blood test.

 

I might try cutting out sweet potatos for now too, but really, I'm at a loss ... since I still got a couple new pimples these last couple days.



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 02:56 PM

What kind of acne do you have/where on your skin is it, out of curiosity? And do you use any medicines?



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 03:01 PM

What kind of acne do you have/where on your skin is it, out of curiosity? And do you use any medicines?

 

I have both whiteheads, smaller pimples, and some cystic acne. And mostly on my face.

 

And I don't use any medication anymore. Was on tetracycline for about three months last year and it worked rather well, but I feel all the antibiotics ruined my gut, hence part of the reason why I have leaky gut now. So no acne medication at the moment.



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 03:08 PM

I feel like I've eliminated so much food already. My meals pretty much consists of pork, avocado, quinoa, kale, sweet potatos, broccoli, cucumbers, lentils, coconut oil (to fry), tamari sauce, and fruits (canteloupe, apples, pears). I also drink a protein shake that has blueberry, blackberries, flaxseed, chia seeds, fish oil omega d3, l-glutamine, and hemp protein.

 

None of these came up as something I'm intolerant to on my IgG blood test.

 

I might try cutting out sweet potatos for now too, but really, I'm at a loss ... since I still got a couple new pimples these last couple days.

 

I think it's important to note that food intolerances are just one of the myriad causes of acne. If it's a bad bacteria, for example, the fiber in lentils could be allowing it to proliferate, resulting in an increase in the waste products of that bacteria, which could potentially be absorbed and react as a food antigen might.

 

That being said, of the things you listed tamari sauce stands out as the most potentially antigenic, being soy and all. Flax seeds are also potentially antigenic. But these are guesses. You could try doing 3-day elimination tests; don't eat a particular food for 3 days, and monitor your acne closely. Food usually takes around 48 hours to leave your system, so if it works with a particular food, I would expect nothing new on the 3rd day, but potentially new spots on the 1st and 2nd.

 

Depending on your type of acne, it could also be hormonal (usually cystic for women). If it's around your mouth, it could be toothpaste. Acne is sort of like cancer; it's a manifestation of something gone awry, but that cause could be many things, and the manifestation of that cause could differ in a number of ways. A group of diseases, and not just one problem - which means there almost certainly won't be one solution.



I have both whiteheads, smaller pimples, and some cystic acne. And mostly on my face.

 

And I don't use any medication anymore. Was on tetracycline for about three months last year and it worked rather well, but I feel all the antibiotics ruined my gut, hence part of the reason why I have leaky gut now. So no acne medication at the moment.

 

Ah okay. Yeah that does sound like food intolerances or potential dysbiosis.

 

You could get a stool test to see if the offending agent is a microbe. Do you have any gut symptoms?


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Posted 23 January 2014 - 03:40 PM

I feel like I've eliminated so much food already. My meals pretty much consists of pork, avocado, quinoa, kale, sweet potatos, broccoli, cucumbers, lentils, coconut oil (to fry), tamari sauce, and fruits (canteloupe, apples, pears). I also drink a protein shake that has blueberry, blackberries, flaxseed, chia seeds, fish oil omega d3, l-glutamine, and hemp protein.

 

None of these came up as something I'm intolerant to on my IgG blood test.

 

I might try cutting out sweet potatos for now too, but really, I'm at a loss ... since I still got a couple new pimples these last couple days.

 

I think it's important to note that food intolerances are just one of the myriad causes of acne. If it's a bad bacteria, for example, the fiber in lentils could be allowing it to proliferate, resulting in an increase in the waste products of that bacteria, which could potentially be absorbed and react as a food antigen might.

 

That being said, of the things you listed tamari sauce stands out as the most potentially antigenic, being soy and all. Flax seeds are also potentially antigenic. But these are guesses. You could try doing 3-day elimination tests; don't eat a particular food for 3 days, and monitor your acne closely. Food usually takes around 48 hours to leave your system, so if it works with a particular food, I would expect nothing new on the 3rd day, but potentially new spots on the 1st and 2nd.

 

Depending on your type of acne, it could also be hormonal (usually cystic for women). If it's around your mouth, it could be toothpaste. Acne is sort of like cancer; it's a manifestation of something gone awry, but that cause could be many things, and the manifestation of that cause could differ in a number of ways. A group of diseases, and not just one problem - which means there almost certainly won't be one solution.



>I have both whiteheads, smaller pimples, and some cystic acne. And mostly on my face.

 

And I don't use any medication anymore. Was on tetracycline for about three months last year and it worked rather well, but I feel all the antibiotics ruined my gut, hence part of the reason why I have leaky gut now. So no acne medication at the moment.

 

Ah okay. Yeah that does sound like food intolerances or potential dysbiosis.

 

You could get a stool test to see if the offending agent is a microbe. Do you have any gut symptoms?

 

 

Hm ok, I use tamari very sparingly to marinate or cook. In my IgG test, i was somewhat low in reacting to soybeans. But I will try and cut that out for three days and see what happens. Flax seed was also low reactive too, while lentil was "0" as in didn't react at all. But maybe I'll do away with flax seed for now and see how that goes. And then lentils as well.

 

I also did a hormone test which I will get result on Monday. Hope that might shed some light on something as well.

 

As for gut symptoms, maybe sometimes I feel more gassy than other times but nothing significant. My naturopath says it's leaky gut but I think my biggest "symptom" is acne.



Also forgot to mention that I drink a bone broth as well (from pork bone). Heard it helps with healing the gut.



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 05:03 PM

Been about one week since I started this. For a while there, my skin showed significant improvement but I'm getting smaller breakouts. I'm assuming that's just my body getting used to the diet. No big cystic ones which is good. But hoping for these smaller ones to go away soon.



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Posted 29 January 2014 - 08:49 PM

little ones don't leave scars....cystic acne sucks.....if the cysts are gone you are miles ahead...not all the way there, but MILES ahead

 

keep at it, and the test isn't perfect, keep a journal of what you are eating ...but keep at it, sounds like you are making progress!



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Posted 30 January 2014 - 08:13 AM


I'm not an expert on this but it would make sense that IF you would have some sort of food intolerance the "acne" from that would be just some hives or some sort of rash not really the original acne, like papules and pustules.

 
Not necessarily. IgE, yeah, but that's allergy. There's a lot more to immune reactions. Contact dermatitis is a good example - you can get pustules from something like detergent or poison ivy, and they look slightly different depending on the antigen. But that's when a concentrated antigen comes into contact with a patch of skin. What if you were to eat an antigen and have fragmented bits of it cross into your blood, thus diluting the antigen? You would get a more random distribution of spots. Since sebaceous glands are a necessary condition for acne, those spots are restricted to certain areas of the body.
 
It's certainly more complicated than that. There are lots of immune factors involved, and scientists are just now realizing that inflammatory events begin before colonization with P. acnes.
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>Once a day.

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Three days in, you should see fewer new spots. If you're not, I would consider other potential offenders.
 
 
I feel like I've eliminated so much food already. My meals pretty much consists of pork, avocado, quinoa, kale, sweet potatos, broccoli, cucumbers, lentils, coconut oil (to fry), tamari sauce, and fruits (canteloupe, apples, pears). I also drink a protein shake that has blueberry, blackberries, flaxseed, chia seeds, fish oil omega d3, l-glutamine, and hemp protein.
 
None of these came up as something I'm intolerant to on my IgG blood test.
 
I might try cutting out sweet potatos for now too, but really, I'm at a loss ... since I still got a couple new pimples these last couple days.

From that list, sweet potatoes would e about the last thing I'd try eliminating. Flax, soy & protein shakes are more likely culprits.

And I'd add foods back. Such as other brassicas. Do it methodically to watch for changes. What about your lifestyle?
Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!

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Posted 02 February 2014 - 12:03 AM

 

 


I'm not an expert on this but it would make sense that IF you would have some sort of food intolerance the "acne" from that would be just some hives or some sort of rash not really the original acne, like papules and pustules.

 
Not necessarily. IgE, yeah, but that's allergy. There's a lot more to immune reactions. Contact dermatitis is a good example - you can get pustules from something like detergent or poison ivy, and they look slightly different depending on the antigen. But that's when a concentrated antigen comes into contact with a patch of skin. What if you were to eat an antigen and have fragmented bits of it cross into your blood, thus diluting the antigen? You would get a more random distribution of spots. Since sebaceous glands are a necessary condition for acne, those spots are restricted to certain areas of the body.
 
It's certainly more complicated than that. There are lots of immune factors involved, and scientists are just now realizing that inflammatory events begin before colonization with P. acnes.
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>Once a day.

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Three days in, you should see fewer new spots. If you're not, I would consider other potential offenders.
 
 
I feel like I've eliminated so much food already. My meals pretty much consists of pork, avocado, quinoa, kale, sweet potatos, broccoli, cucumbers, lentils, coconut oil (to fry), tamari sauce, and fruits (canteloupe, apples, pears). I also drink a protein shake that has blueberry, blackberries, flaxseed, chia seeds, fish oil omega d3, l-glutamine, and hemp protein.
 
None of these came up as something I'm intolerant to on my IgG blood test.
 
I might try cutting out sweet potatos for now too, but really, I'm at a loss ... since I still got a couple new pimples these last couple days.

From that list, sweet potatoes would e about the last thing I'd try eliminating. Flax, soy & protein shakes are more likely culprits.

And I'd add foods back. Such as other brassicas. Do it methodically to watch for changes. What about your lifestyle?

 

 

 

I switched to a flax oil but might take it back out. Although I got tested for it on my IgG and it was low reaction. Why would protein shakes be a culprit? Is it the protein? I'm using hemp protein. Also have cut out soy.

 

Lifestyle is good, sometimes stressful. But trying to control that.



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Posted 04 February 2014 - 01:05 AM

Been on this rather strict diet for about two weeks now and I'm still getting new breakouts. Not as many as before but I thought it would stop completely. It was going great for a bit but then this weekend I just got quite a few new ones on the lower jay/chin so I'm not sure what happened, or what changed.

 

I was told that when balance to my small intenstine is restored from eliminating my food sensitivities and taking probiotics, the "bad bacteria" is outnumbered and killed off. Which means they release toxins into the digestive tract, and then processed trhough the liver which creates an exacerbation of existing skin symptoms, aka. acne. So I'm not sure if this is exactly what is happening and how long this "exacerbation will last." It's frustrating. Anyone know how long this usually lasts??

Also, I caught a cold this weekend so went on some cough/cold medicine and not sure if that affects the leaky gut as well. I also introduced flax oil, but I'm scared that was causing it so took it back out even though my blood tests said I am low reactive to flax seed.



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Posted 04 February 2014 - 07:57 AM

Allergy is not the only way flax and soy cause breakouts. They are also estrogenic

Edited by alternativista, 18 February 2014 - 06:07 PM.

Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!

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Posted 18 February 2014 - 10:39 AM

Just an update. Been at this for about four weeks now. Been very strict on my diet, haven't really strayed. The only thing was I got sick and had to take tylenol for a few days, so not sure if there was a set back with it affecting the leaky gut. Anyways, I'm still getting breakouts after four weeks, which is frustrating. Sometimes it seems it's improved and then somedays it seems like days of old. I know my gut is pretty bad over the years of antibiotics, and accutane, and stress, and what not, but should I be seeing massive improvements after four weeks, or is this still normal as I know leaky gut takes a while to fix?

 

It could also be my liver getting rid of all the gunk through my skin, but not sure how long that will last either.



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Posted 18 February 2014 - 03:01 PM

My current diet (no milk, no sugar, minimal whole grains, no processed grains) took several weeks before I saw real results, but once my skin started to clear, it just got better and better. In theory, a pimple is the end result of a process that can take days or even weeks or months. If you've changed your diet for the better (avoiding high GI foods and milk like the plague) and haven't seen results yet, give it time. If you're still eating high GI foods (yes, whole grains are still high GI), then stop and wait another couple weeks to see if the situation improves. Once my skin cleared up, I've been able to add small amounts of whole grains back into my diet. However, that was only after my insulin response/acne had been under control for several months without change. If you're still breaking out, keep omitting foods (cutting carbs and grains first) until it gets better. No joke, at one point I ate steamed fish with brocolli for an entire week because I wasn't sure what was breaking me out. It takes a while to figure yourself out.

 

 

Edit: I should also note that it's not just about what you don't eat. Including LOADS of anti-inflammatory foods like broccoli, leafy greens, fish, beets, carrots, coconut milk, and turmeric (curried fish with bamboo shoots, anyone?), can vastly improve the outcome of elimination diets. Getting rid of foods is just the first step. You have to eat for health if you really want to see an improvement in your skin.


Edited by dscully, 18 February 2014 - 03:05 PM.

Suffered from acne as a young adult that went into remission when put on hormonal birth control. Went off the HBC around age 22 and the acne returned with a vengeance (along with a host of other hormonal complaints). 100% clear with a modified diet that excludes dairy, sugars, grains, citrus and cured meats and emphasizes whole food-based nutrition from both plant and animal sources, most notably organ meats like liver and juiced whole vegetables. I have included a recipe for the most helpful juice I have come up with for skin complaints. I drink it every day, and it is invaluable for acne due to the large amounts of vitamin A (carotenoids) from both the carrots and beets. It also helps improve your coloring if you are very fair, giving you a pinkish, more radiant look (not orange. Don't worry!).

 

Magic Juice

 

In a juicer, combine:

 

5-6 carrots

1 medium beet

2-3 stalks of celery

1 small apple (Green is preferred. Omit if you are very sugar-sensitive)

1 small (1inch) piece of ginger (optional, but good for digestion)

 

This makes a variable amount of juice depending on the size of the vegetables you use.

Drink this throughout the morning until it's gone. Store in the fridge not longer than one day.

Having perfectly clear skin on my wedding day was worth all the headache and effort of figuring out how diet affects acne!

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