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#41 james howard

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Posted 03 April 2014 - 06:34 AM

Many people get their skin spoiled by using so many things just for experiment. Do you use oily foods? If you do so that's bad.Consult any skin specialist..It's my sincere opinion for you.



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Posted 11 April 2014 - 12:24 PM

I used Pernox twice a day for 47 years since 1967 when my dermatologist gave me a box of 12 sample tubes.  It was originally manufactured by Westwood-Squibb in Buffalo before the patent was apparently sold to Ranbaxy.  I called Ranbaxy last fall and was told that they discontinued it because they changed their product mix and no longer had a place to manufacture it.  I am near running out; I tried a compounding pharmacy and was told that they did not mix facial products; I will try another.  I have tried other products but nothing seems to work like Pernox.  



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Posted 01 May 2014 - 06:20 PM

Hey everyone,

 

I posted a while back about a Pernox alternative I found called Yu-Be skin polish that appeared to work pretty well compared with Pernox.

 

I wanted to report that I recently found something even better. It's called Clearasil Ultra Rapid Action Acne Scrub and it's sold at most pharmacies/markets. 

 

After trying a tons of different washes and scrubs containing Sulfur and salicylic acid, I realized that the reason pernox might have worked so well wasn't necessarily due only to it's active ingredients, but to something else in the formula called Tetrasodium EDTA. EDTA makes soap more effective in hard water and is a penetration enhancer, meaning other chemicals such as active ingredients work better to penetrate and clean the skin. I believe this is somewhat evident because no matter how many other products with the same ingredients I've tried, none of them worked anything like pernox. Well, except one. It was a exfoliant called Dermalogica Daily Microfoliant, and guess what? It also contains EDTA.

 

Anyways, I looked at a massive list of cleansers someone compiled on the forum and chose the Clearisil product mentioned above because it contained both salicylc acid as well as EDTA. I've been using it along with a sulfur ointment to wash my face and I've gotten pretty much the same results as pernox. 

 

The sulfur ointment can be found on Amazon. It's called: De La Cruz Sulfur Ointment Cream. Mix the two together and scrub away. The scrub also works well on it's on, but I use the sulfur for safe measure. I haven't had a single breakout since using these!

 

 

P.S. EDTA is apparently a bad ingredient -- but as a reminder, it was also an ingredient in pernox. See: http://www.bubbleand...echemicals.html

 

 



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Posted 01 May 2014 - 06:26 PM

I too have been using Pernox lemon scrub for over 20 years. I have over active oil glands and pernox was the only thing that helped me. Doctors wanted to give me the toxic accutane. I refused it. God looked after me and steered me to Pernox. I honestly do not know what I will do without it. Please, some one...HELP US ALL and put it back on the market. It is a great product and actually works. Big Pharma...have a heart. Surely some one out there could make it again?



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Posted 05 May 2014 - 01:42 PM

Hey everyone,

 

I posted a while back about a Pernox alternative I found called Yu-Be skin polish that appeared to work pretty well compared with Pernox.

 

I wanted to report that I recently found something even better. It's called Clearasil Ultra Rapid Action Acne Scrub and it's sold at most pharmacies/markets. 

 

After trying a tons of different washes and scrubs containing Sulfur and salicylic acid, I realized that the reason pernox might have worked so well wasn't necessarily due only to it's active ingredients, but to something else in the formula called Tetrasodium EDTA. EDTA makes soap more effective in hard water and is a penetration enhancer, meaning other chemicals such as active ingredients work better to penetrate and clean the skin. I believe this is somewhat evident because no matter how many other products with the same ingredients I've tried, none of them worked anything like pernox. Well, except one. It was a exfoliant called Dermalogica Daily Microfoliant, and guess what? It also contains EDTA.

 

Anyways, I looked at a massive list of cleansers someone compiled on the forum and chose the Clearisil product mentioned above because it contained both salicylc acid as well as EDTA. I've been using it along with a sulfur ointment to wash my face and I've gotten pretty much the same results as pernox. 

 

The sulfur ointment can be found on Amazon. It's called: De La Cruz Sulfur Ointment Cream. Mix the two together and scrub away. The scrub also works well on it's on, but I use the sulfur for safe measure. I haven't had a single breakout since using these!

 

 

P.S. EDTA is apparently a bad ingredient -- but as a reminder, it was also an ingredient in pernox. See: http://www.bubbleand...echemicals.html

I noticed in the Clearasil Ultra Rapid Action Acne Scrub it lists Disodium EDTA, not Tetrasodium EDTA...is there a difference?



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Posted 05 May 2014 - 01:58 PM

I noticed in the Clearasil Ultra Rapid Action Acne Scrub it lists Disodium EDTA, not Tetrasodium EDTA...is there a difference?

 

Actually I'm not too sure. Pernox only lists EDTA as the ingredient but doesn't specific if it's Tetrasodium EDTA or Disodium EDTA. I originally didn't include Tetrasodium in my description, but went back and added it for the sake of consistency after finding the page I linked at the bottom of my post

 

From what I read the only major difference between the two is their pH levels, which I believe just means the chemicals they are mixed with need to be a little different for the EDTA to be rendered neutral.



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Posted 05 May 2014 - 02:01 PM

I noticed in the Clearasil Ultra Rapid Action Acne Scrub it lists Disodium EDTA, not Tetrasodium EDTA...is there a difference?

 

Actually I'm not too sure. Pernox only lists EDTA as the ingredient but doesn't specific if it's Tetrasodium EDTA or Disodium EDTA. I originally didn't include Tetrasodium in my description, but went back and added it for the sake of consistency after finding the page I linked at the bottom of my post

 

From what I read the only major difference between the two is their pH levels, which I believe just means the chemicals they are mixed with need to be a little different for the EDTA to be rendered neutral.

Well thanks, I just ordered both your recommendations. Here's hoping this will work!



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Posted 16 May 2014 - 05:47 AM

Pernox had 3 major attributes that need to be included in any substitute:

1) Pernox rinsed away perfectly clean, leaving no oily residue.

2) Pernox had a "scrubby" quality that allowed it to really get in there and do a proper job.

3) Pernox had Salicylic acid which aided the cleansing, and killed bacteria.  

Finding a single product to replace all those qualities will be difficult if not impossible.  

 

 I have found a decent cleanser that will rinse away clean with no oily residue, and it is called "good & Clean" from 'alba Botanica'.  I found it at Wal-Mart in the natural cosmetic section.  I am not a big fan of its fragrance, but I can tolerate it - the ladies will love it.  I tried 3 other cleansers that claimed to be 'oil free', but they did not rinse off clean - they leave your face feeling oily.

 

 
The Salicylic acid can be found in a bar soap called "SAL 3" (available online) - it does a nice job, but it lacks the "scrubby" quality found in Pernox.

 

The "scrubby" part was more difficult.  Most facial 'scrubs' employ Aluminum Oxide crystals to obtain some "scrubby" quality, but they either contain too little to be effective, or they use too fine of a grit to be effective on me.  You can buy pure Aluminum Oxide crystals online in varying grades and varying grits.  Since I am not planning on ingesting it, I don't see a need to pay extra for 'Medical Grade' or 'Cosmetic Grade' or 'MicroDermaBrasion' grade crystals.  I bought a jar of Medical Grade 120 grit, and another jar of 90 grit standard grade.  The 120 grit is much too fine for acne purposes, but the 90 grit seemed just right.  Some of you may want to compromise at 100 grit, but don't bother with anything finer.  The world's largest online retailer has multiple grits and grades and sizes to choose from.  I mix just a small amount (about the same volume as a dime) in my hand with a little of the cleanser I mentioned before, and I have as close to a Pernox substitute as You will find.  Back it up with a finishing wash of the "SAL 3", and you are good to go.  

 

I know this process is more difficult and time consuming than our old product, but Pernox is no longer an option.  I am now once again acne free and my face feels like the Pernox days.  Note: I always top off this regimen with a coating of PersaGel, just as my old Dermatologist prescribed (PersaGel used to be prescription only, but is now OTC).

 

 



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Posted 18 May 2014 - 11:49 AM

@all

Everybody has got different skin so it s not easy to find the right cure. There is lots of things out there, which you can try. Going from antibiotics, through all kinds of heavy chemicals to cortisonic stuff to Vitamins like B12 and others, but I can tell you from direct experience, that most often very pure specific natural soap is working best. I have read here about different ones, but the one which I can guarantee will be working, is one special one that was formally just sold in the eastern mediterranean areas but is now, due to its effective curing of several forms of acne, doing a triumphal march through Europe.

It is called Kirlangic Medical Soap and i m not sure where and if you can get it in the U.S at all !? At least in Europe there are some companies selling this stuff. Try Alibaba or related. Maybe you can get it from there? What makes me furious is that Jim had spent years in agony and pain, with all the so-called specialists telling him to use this, or buy that, when in fact the solution was that f ******* easy.

Big Pharma just wants our money, they, by no means(!) are interested in curing us. Wherefore very pure but specific natural products are in most cases, a thousand times better and cheaper than all the crap pharma industries try selling us. It was eye-opening to see that Kirlangic Medical Soap did in 2 weeks, what all the chemical cremes and medicines tried to do for years but couldn t. Acne is terrible and I love talking to people about these old times, and then looking at Jim today. Hope I was able to help you with this, and that no one has to suffer from acne no more.

Best regards
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Posted 25 May 2014 - 02:54 PM

I saw a posting on another thread by a Procter & Gamble employee, regarding the discontinuance of Pernox; he stated that P&G sold the patent to Ranbaxy, due to an EPA mandated phase-out of the micro-scrubbing beads in Pernox.  Apparently, these beads were being found inside fish and wildlife, and EPA required all companies making products with these to reformulate their products to eliminate these.  P&G decided instead to sell the patent to Ranbaxy, with the caveat that Pernox not be sold in the US.  However, with the proliferation of individuals selling the product on Ebay and Amazon, this could not be prevented.  Ranbaxy was pressured to change their formulation to include the do-nothing, dissolvable beads in most other scrubs, but decided instead to discontinue the product.

 

Maybe if enough people write Ranbaxy and ask them to reformulate the scrubbing beads, but leave the rest of the formulation as is, they may spend the money to do so and we can get back at least some semblance of the product we all love.  I am 60, started using Pernox in my late 20's, and look like I am in my 40's - I attribute this to the now-verboten exfoliating beads.  Sadly, I now to expect to age more rapidly without Pernox!






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