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Posted 06 November 2014 - 04:12 AM

Just to update, in case anyone has experienced the same weight gain from myo inositol... [to catch anyone up, I took inositol for 6 months to stop hair shedding, which worked] it has been a little over 4 months since quitting inositol/choline (stopped June 16), but the weight has yet to come off. Frustrating... I currently weigh 130lbs, when my "normal" weight is 110-115lbs without effort. I'm not sure if my testosterone is still lower or it triggered some insulin resistance or what. Anyway, I'm still looking into it and will update after some more time. If anyone has any suggestions for me please let me know. I could use the help! Thanks all! (:

 

I am currently taking: multivitamin, calcium, zinc (in hopes to raise testosterone), fish oil, vitamin D3, b-complex, l-cysteine, natural progesterone cream. Skin is still great, so I'd rather not take DIM again unless I have to. I also started taking some betaine hcl (with pepsin) again a few days ago hoping it could help with the weight and bloating.

 

Hey hearts,

Thanks for the update. Sorry to hear you still haven't lost the weight...but at least the hair shedding stopped and inositol helped you with that.  As I said before, thin women seem to experience some weight gain on inositol, whereas overweight women (Esp. with PCOS) use it for weight loss. My guess is that, in lowering your testosterone, inositol has tipped the balance towards estrogen. Since you had estrogen dominance before, DIM might be the way to go once again until you lose the weight. For me personally, DIM seems to make me a bit bloated on certain days of the month, but maybe for you it can help with weight loss.

I recently re-added evening primrose to my regime, which for some women it can help with weight loss. Evening primrose & vitex helped me lose weight the first time I took them coming off of birth control.


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Posted 06 November 2014 - 04:36 PM

Hey hearts,

Thanks for the update. Sorry to hear you still haven't lost the weight...but at least the hair shedding stopped and inositol helped you with that.  As I said before, thin women seem to experience some weight gain on inositol, whereas overweight women (Esp. with PCOS) use it for weight loss. My guess is that, in lowering your testosterone, inositol has tipped the balance towards estrogen. Since you had estrogen dominance before, DIM might be the way to go once again until you lose the weight. For me personally, DIM seems to make me a bit bloated on certain days of the month, but maybe for you it can help with weight loss.

I recently re-added evening primrose to my regime, which for some women it can help with weight loss. Evening primrose & vitex helped me lose weight the first time I took them coming off of birth control.

 

Thanks for the reply, WishClean! I think you are probably right, that estrogen is dominant again — this time causing extra weight in the typical female areas instead of causing acne. Grr! I am so sensitive to estrogen. Even though I am using progesterone every night, it still hasn't helped with the weight. Inositol also messed up my cycle so maybe it'll just take more time to level out.

 

Those are good suggestions. I've never tried evening primrose or vitex before... taking something else hormonal scares me a little at this point because I don't want to screw anything else up, if that makes sense. However, I have read EPO can help with weight so I might try that or take DIM again if I can't get this under control soon. Is EPO a long-term thing or is it more like vitex? This has gotta be a hormonal issue because I gained the EXACT same amount of weight on spironolactone and wasn't able to drop it until I completely quit taking it. Probably because spiro lowers testosterone and is a little estrogenic.

 

Anyway, how is Europe treating you? Is your skin still doing well? It's good to hear from you again! (:


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Posted 14 November 2014 - 05:14 PM

I'm curious about this because of all the studies that show inositol works to lower androgens. With herbs there isn't a lot (if any) proof that they will help. 

I don't have PCOS personally so no insulin resistance. I've actually always been thin if not underweight. Would inositol still help me? I have high DHEA which I believe is the root cause of my problems.

Another thing I was wondering is will myo-inositol help at all or is DCI the only thing that works? All reweaves I could find were for DCI.. I don't live in the US and can't find DCI anywhere in my country. It's illegal to order it from abroad too as it's classified as a drug!?



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Posted 15 November 2014 - 01:36 PM

Thanks for the link, brenmc, that's a very interesting article. I actually didn't have any issues with insulin before going on birth control...after that, my metabolism changed and also my blood sugar and blood pressure would drop very abruptly. For me, vitex was what helped my body get back on track but sadly, I can't seem to tolerate it anymore. I blame my stomach problems, which are probably due to all the antibiotics I took for acne. Vicious cycle. 

Have you tried turmeric for inflammation? I mix it with yogurt as a mark, but there are people who take it internally. Cinnamon pills also work for IR, but I can't take those due to histamine issues. 

 

@ hearts, glad you are losing weight! Yes, I think thin women tend to gain weight on anti-androgens, that's just one of those things we have to put up with for clear skin. The only time I actually lost weight was on vitex and then on multivitamins....DIM seems to be making me a bit bloated, especially if I take more :/ Not sure why, though....can you think of any reasons? My only guess would be that, along with lowering the bad estrogens, it's increasing the good ones...could that be why?

Hi Wishclean,

I've been reading this thread for the last 2 days trying ti get some understanding of how inositol might work with acne and hirsutism. I'm still really comfused so I thought you might be able to shed some light ! I'v always struggled with acne since I was 13 ( I am now 35) . I've had clear years and not so clear ones but the problem's always been there. I've been pregnant 2 times and both pregnancies( and while I was nursing) I was completely clear - not even a small pimple. Now that I've weaned my daughter off a little over a year ago, I've started to break out in cysts on my chin again around ovulation time. My hair is thin, I also have more facial and body hair than the average girl, get extremely crazy around my period times and crave sweets . I feel like it is an emotional up and down. I know there has to be something up with my hormones, but I'm not exactly sure what it could be. I took vitex for a while (maybe 8 months) and it worked perfectly, but then suddenly i started getting the chin breakouts again. I used to get hot flashes before my pd, but  I am also taking DIM for what i though might be estrogen dominance and thats helped with the flashes too.  If I am completely clear in pregnancy, does that mean that I don't have an estrogen dominance and I have a testosterone issue instead? would i have broken out during pregnancy if I had estrogen dominance to begin with? I'm not sure which hormone to target anymore , it's all so confusing and they overlap so much! It seems like you really know what you're talking about , so I hoped you could help! Any and all advice or insight would be appreciated :)



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Posted 17 November 2014 - 03:26 PM

Hi Wishclean,

I've been reading this thread for the last 2 days trying ti get some understanding of how inositol might work with acne and hirsutism. I'm still really comfused so I thought you might be able to shed some light ! I'v always struggled with acne since I was 13 ( I am now 35) . I've had clear years and not so clear ones but the problem's always been there. I've been pregnant 2 times and both pregnancies( and while I was nursing) I was completely clear - not even a small pimple. Now that I've weaned my daughter off a little over a year ago, I've started to break out in cysts on my chin again around ovulation time. My hair is thin, I also have more facial and body hair than the average girl, get extremely crazy around my period times and crave sweets . I feel like it is an emotional up and down. I know there has to be something up with my hormones, but I'm not exactly sure what it could be. I took vitex for a while (maybe 8 months) and it worked perfectly, but then suddenly i started getting the chin breakouts again. I used to get hot flashes before my pd, but  I am also taking DIM for what i though might be estrogen dominance and thats helped with the flashes too.  If I am completely clear in pregnancy, does that mean that I don't have an estrogen dominance and I have a testosterone issue instead? would i have broken out during pregnancy if I had estrogen dominance to begin with? I'm not sure which hormone to target anymore , it's all so confusing and they overlap so much! It seems like you really know what you're talking about , so I hoped you could help! Any and all advice or insight would be appreciated

Hey girl1777, another thing to consider if you were totally clear during pregnancy is low progesterone... progesterone levels skyrocket during pregnancy, especially in the third trimester. The fact that vitex helped you (raises progesterone) and you have had positive results with DIM (improves estrogen to progesterone ratio) makes me think that it could be a solution for you. You can get natural progesterone cream over the counter, usually at health/natural food stores. If after a few months of using it nothing has improved, at least you can eliminate that target. NPC helped my anxiety/moodiness around my period as well so it could prove useful for multiple symptoms. Good luck and best wishes! (:


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Posted 17 November 2014 - 06:12 PM

Hi Wishclean,
I've been reading this thread for the last 2 days trying ti get some understanding of how inositol might work with acne and hirsutism. I'm still really comfused so I thought you might be able to shed some light ! I'v always struggled with acne since I was 13 ( I am now 35) . I've had clear years and not so clear ones but the problem's always been there. I've been pregnant 2 times and both pregnancies( and while I was nursing) I was completely clear - not even a small pimple. Now that I've weaned my daughter off a little over a year ago, I've started to break out in cysts on my chin again around ovulation time. My hair is thin, I also have more facial and body hair than the average girl, get extremely crazy around my period times and crave sweets . I feel like it is an emotional up and down. I know there has to be something up with my hormones, but I'm not exactly sure what it could be. I took vitex for a while (maybe 8 months) and it worked perfectly, but then suddenly i started getting the chin breakouts again. I used to get hot flashes before my pd, but  I am also taking DIM for what i though might be estrogen dominance and thats helped with the flashes too.  If I am completely clear in pregnancy, does that mean that I don't have an estrogen dominance and I have a testosterone issue instead? would i have broken out during pregnancy if I had estrogen dominance to begin with? I'm not sure which hormone to target anymore , it's all so confusing and they overlap so much! It seems like you really know what you're talking about , so I hoped you could help! Any and all advice or insight would be appreciated

Hey girl1777, another thing to consider if you were totally clear during pregnancy is low progesterone... progesterone levels skyrocket during pregnancy, especially in the third trimester. The fact that vitex helped you (raises progesterone) and you have had positive results with DIM (improves estrogen to progesterone ratio) makes me think that it could be a solution for you. You can get natural progesterone cream over the counter, usually at health/natural food stores. If after a few months of using it nothing has improved, at least you can eliminate that target. NPC helped my anxiety/moodiness around my period as well so it could prove useful for multiple symptoms. Good luck and best wishes! (:


Hi hearts :)
Thanks so much for your post . I actually have tried progesterone cream but I'm not sure if I'm taking the right amount or taking at the right time . Can I ask what brand you're taking ? Also how much and when do you take it ? Morning and night ? I think progesterone deficiency is definitely an issue for me because i was also taking progesterone shots during my pregnancies and they didn't give me breakouts - but would that cause acne only around ovulation time ? I have facial hair and get the breakout right at ovulation time so I thought that pointed more to testosterone but being that all the emotions of each deficiency are so similar it's really confusing me . Thank you so much for answering me in all my confusion :)

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Posted 18 November 2014 - 10:12 AM

Hi hearts

Thanks so much for your post . I actually have tried progesterone cream but I'm not sure if I'm taking the right amount or taking at the right time . Can I ask what brand you're taking ? Also how much and when do you take it ? Morning and night ? I think progesterone deficiency is definitely an issue for me because i was also taking progesterone shots during my pregnancies and they didn't give me breakouts - but would that cause acne only around ovulation time ? I have facial hair and get the breakout right at ovulation time so I thought that pointed more to testosterone but being that all the emotions of each deficiency are so similar it's really confusing me . Thank you so much for answering me in all my confusion

 

I'll answer your questions in a PM shortly — I don't want to hijack more of WishCleans topic on inositol! An important thing to remember is not one hormone is the "bad guy", usually it's multiple factors causing the imbalance so it may take a little trial and error to get things back on track. 


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Posted 18 November 2014 - 03:23 PM


DIM has helped me lose weight for sure. You had a good experience on it, so it's worth a try. :)

Hey hearts,
Thanks for the update. Sorry to hear you still haven't lost the weight...but at least the hair shedding stopped and inositol helped you with that.  As I said before, thin women seem to experience some weight gain on inositol, whereas overweight women (Esp. with PCOS) use it for weight loss. My guess is that, in lowering your testosterone, inositol has tipped the balance towards estrogen. Since you had estrogen dominance before, DIM might be the way to go once again until you lose the weight. For me personally, DIM seems to make me a bit bloated on certain days of the month, but maybe for you it can help with weight loss.
I recently re-added evening primrose to my regime, which for some women it can help with weight loss. Evening primrose & vitex helped me lose weight the first time I took them coming off of birth control.

 
Thanks for the reply, WishClean! I think you are probably right, that estrogen is dominant again — this time causing extra weight in the typical female areas instead of causing acne. Grr! I am so sensitive to estrogen. Even though I am using progesterone every night, it still hasn't helped with the weight. Inositol also messed up my cycle so maybe it'll just take more time to level out.
 
Those are good suggestions. I've never tried evening primrose or vitex before... taking something else hormonal scares me a little at this point because I don't want to screw anything else up, if that makes sense. However, I have read EPO can help with weight so I might try that or take DIM again if I can't get this under control soon. Is EPO a long-term thing or is it more like vitex? This has gotta be a hormonal issue because I gained the EXACT same amount of weight on spironolactone and wasn't able to drop it until I completely quit taking it. Probably because spiro lowers testosterone and is a little estrogenic.
 
Anyway, how is Europe treating you? Is your skin still doing well? It's good to hear from you again! (:

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Posted 18 November 2014 - 03:57 PM

DIM has helped me lose weight for sure. You had a good experience on it, so it's worth a try. smile.png

 

Yeah, I think you're right. I will probably try taking it again after a little more time and see if that helps. If DIM doesn't help, I'll give EPO a shot... I just feel like my balance is a little out of whack since the inositol! It's good to hear DIM helped you lose weight, if it's what you wanted. Thanks, brenmc!


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Posted 04 December 2014 - 05:17 AM

I think I gained 5 pounds since I started taking it, and now being at 120 I try to watch what I eat, though even dieting now doesn't seem to really knock off the pounds (I'm 5'5). Its not a big deal though, I can live with it. Drowsiness is a bigger issue, though. Months into taking regular dose I was always tired and could sleep for up to 13!!! hours a day if I wasn't disturbed. I decided to cut my daily dose by half, and this month I got more acne than normal, so I can't help but feel like that's what caused it. Im back on my full daily dose now, but geez its like yaz isn't doing anything if not making things worse. To think that 1 year into taking BC I would still be so dependant on inositol makes me wonder if I should go off the pill altogether...

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Posted 05 January 2015 - 05:28 AM

Thanks for the reply, WishClean! I think you are probably right, that estrogen is dominant again — this time causing extra weight in the typical female areas instead of causing acne. Grr! I am so sensitive to estrogen. Even though I am using progesterone every night, it still hasn't helped with the weight. Inositol also messed up my cycle so maybe it'll just take more time to level out.

 

Those are good suggestions. I've never tried evening primrose or vitex before... taking something else hormonal scares me a little at this point because I don't want to screw anything else up, if that makes sense. However, I have read EPO can help with weight so I might try that or take DIM again if I can't get this under control soon. Is EPO a long-term thing or is it more like vitex? This has gotta be a hormonal issue because I gained the EXACT same amount of weight on spironolactone and wasn't able to drop it until I completely quit taking it. Probably because spiro lowers testosterone and is a little estrogenic.

 

Anyway, how is Europe treating you? Is your skin still doing well? It's good to hear from you again! (:

Hey hearts! Sorry for the really slow response. Europe is going reasonably well, but I went back to the US briefly for an interview so I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

My skin is doing well now...I updated on my other thread. How is your skin & life these days??? :) Did you drop the weight? I have had some weight gain too recently, but I'm not sure if it's due to too much holiday food, or hormonal.

 

I'm curious about this because of all the studies that show inositol works to lower androgens. With herbs there isn't a lot (if any) proof that they will help. 

I don't have PCOS personally so no insulin resistance. I've actually always been thin if not underweight. Would inositol still help me? I have high DHEA which I believe is the root cause of my problems.

Another thing I was wondering is will myo-inositol help at all or is DCI the only thing that works? All reweaves I could find were for DCI.. I don't live in the US and can't find DCI anywhere in my country. It's illegal to order it from abroad too as it's classified as a drug!?

 

Both myo and chiro can help. Some prefer DCI, others prefer myo...I personally had more luck on myo inositol. DCI seemed a bit too much for me, and I think it may have made me a bit too emotional.

Is it classified as a drug??? How so? If you live in Canada, they have all sorts of restrictions, that might be why. But it's definitely not a drug, it's a supplement. Big difference. Due to certain shipping/ export-import regulations, though, some supplements are classified as drugs in order to prevent people from importing them and thus harm the pharmaceutical economy.

I think I gained 5 pounds since I started taking it, and now being at 120 I try to watch what I eat, though even dieting now doesn't seem to really knock off the pounds (I'm 5'5). Its not a big deal though, I can live with it. Drowsiness is a bigger issue, though. Months into taking regular dose I was always tired and could sleep for up to 13!!! hours a day if I wasn't disturbed. I decided to cut my daily dose by half, and this month I got more acne than normal, so I can't help but feel like that's what caused it. Im back on my full daily dose now, but geez its like yaz isn't doing anything if not making things worse. To think that 1 year into taking BC I would still be so dependant on inositol makes me wonder if I should go off the pill altogether...

 

Hey! How are you doing ? Any progress?



DIM has helped me lose weight for sure. You had a good experience on it, so it's worth a try. smile.png


 

Hey bren! How are you doing? Any news?


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Lifestyle & Skin Care: Low histamine diet, avoiding unnecessary stress, balancing skin's PH (using Image Ormedics), using distilled/ filtered water to wash face, occasional high frequency facials...

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Posted 05 January 2015 - 07:48 PM

 

>I think I gained 5 pounds since I started taking it, and now being at 120 I try to watch what I eat, though even dieting now doesn't seem to really knock off the pounds (I'm 5'5). Its not a big deal though, I can live with it. Drowsiness is a bigger issue, though. Months into taking regular dose I was always tired and could sleep for up to 13!!! hours a day if I wasn't disturbed. I decided to cut my daily dose by half, and this month I got more acne than normal, so I can't help but feel like that's what caused it. Im back on my full daily dose now, but geez its like yaz isn't doing anything if not making things worse. To think that 1 year into taking BC I would still be so dependant on inositol makes me wonder if I should go off the pill altogether...

 

Hey! How are you doing ? Any progress?

 

 

Hey! I did get a lot less acne when I went back on full dose. I also bumped it up to 900mg from 600mg in the middle of last cycle. I got about half the amount of deep acne, and most of those also were either smaller, less inflamed, or shrunk within a day! So yeah I think I'll def call that progress. I think the drowsiness doesn't bother me anymore, either it's gone now or I've gotten used to it. This cycle (today is day 2) I already have a deep painful breakout on my chin, though it's smaller in size than what they usually are. I'm hoping it will stay this way or get better. However, I did notice a big jump in anxiety/OCD levels I have. Not sure if it's related to Inositol. Either way, honestly I would much much rather endure that than terrible giant acne all over my face and shoulders every week.



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Posted 26 April 2015 - 01:19 PM

Hi everyone, how are you doing?

Just a quick update: I no longer take DIM or inositol unless needed, i.e. if a rare flare-up occurs. I occasionally take inositol but more for back/neck pain nowadays as it helps my muscles relax. Inositol was helping me have less painful ovulation, but guess what. It turns out, I had a dermoid cyst in my left ovary, and all this time doctors were trying to put me on birth control without even bothering to do an ultrasound to see if anything is wrong internally. 
I went with my gut and finally got an ultrasound, and now I'm in recovery from the dermoid removal...
I urge you to get regular check-ups, especially if you are in your mid-20s-40s, and especially if you have PCOS. Sometimes PCOS can cause more serious issues, and you shouldn't allow doctors to mask those issues by simply prescribing more hormones. 

I'm still waiting to see if the melasma I developed 2 years ago will fade now that the dermoid has been removed. So far, my skin has been smooth and looks healthier *knock wood*.

Edited by WishClean, 26 April 2015 - 01:21 PM.

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Posted 02 May 2015 - 04:55 AM

Quick update: European gynos have started recommending inositol to PCOS patients as a healthier alternative to prescription drugs. :D

Supplements: inositol, DIM [had to stop for now, don't seem to need them anymore!], digestive enzymes [don't need them every day anymore, only on cheat days], herpanacine & vitamin C with rose hips [not every day], regular sun exposure for vitamin D3, superoxide dismutase (SOD) enzyme supplements, magnesium citrate. 

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