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Posted 26 July 2014 - 02:24 PM

Thanks for the quick reply WishClean! The antibiotic dose does seem crazy high, but that’s what was prescribed to me. I called the piercing place and based on how swollen my ear had become (it’s a helix piercing, upper ear) they recommended I go to a clinic and the doctor recommended the antibiotics. So here I am. It’s a week-long course. In the early to mid-2000s, I took antibiotics of all shapes and sizes to control my acne to positive, short-term, results. So it’s odd that it would cause a flare-up, except I can’t think of what else may have.  

So you ended up just going back to myo-inositol at a higher dose? What dose, in milligrams, do you take (mine is already in a tablet, so I can’t compare teaspoons or whatever)? According to the video I posted from the Chiral Balance website, myo-inositol works differently from chiro-inositol… I wonder if I need both? Should I up my dose?

I’m thinking CAREFULLY about starting DIM if things don’t clear up soon. I’m really scared about the increase in free testosterone that people talk about causing a breakout but, on the other hand, I’ve been in this renewed struggle for over a year now with little relief. And you said DIM did not cause an IB for you and has actually helped loads, right? Having PCOS, DIM makes sense—because it is a high estrogen and high androgen problem. I’m still on sprio though and GreenGables said she had a horrendous breakout from combining the two. Until my skin gets settled, I’m not comfortable dropping spiro, for fear of a rebound effect. Do you think DIM is a good idea, given my situation? What do you think about this brand (it’s the same Canadian company that makes my inositol (Glucosmart))? http://healthyimmuni.../estrosmart.asp

I read the thread that you linked in, I’m confused. Can you please dumb this down for me—how are digestive enzymes related to cortisteriods?

Thank you!

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Some antibiotics can worsen acne, even the ones prescribed for acne. my skin usually worsened on them, so they don't work on everyone the same. 500mg x4 sounds like a lot... is that much really necessary? I had an ear infection from a piercing before, and I'm pretty sure I never took that much, if anything at all. I just used a topical antibiotic on the wound and it healed just fine.

Hmm there are things that can deplete inositol in the body, so it could be...but you're right, 5 days is a very short time span for anything extreme to happen.

You can combine myo and chiro together...in fact, that's what I was doing at first because I didn't know if chiro on its own would work. For me, chiro worked extremely well the first 2-3 weeks, then my skin plateaued so I just increased my regular inositol instead bc chiro was getting a bit expensive.

The other thing I'm reading now and researching is based on this thread here: http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/343494-acne-was-cured-no-accutane/#entry3443526 

I'm thinking I was really onto something with the enzymes I was taking for digestive issues.... the poster explains it well, esp. in the last few posts, how it's all related. 

 

 

Hi WishClean and everybody else,

I'm hoping someone can help me. I've been back on inositol for three weeks and during that time I had only one breakout that wasn't too bad. Five days ago I started the antibiotic Cephalexin at 500mg four times per day, prescribed to me by the walk-in clinic because my ear piercing became infected. Today I woke up with a really bad nodule. I’m very upset about this obviously and also confused because this antibiotic is actually prescribed for acne patients. I have read in one or two places that long-term antibiotic use may reduce inositol in the body. But is five days long enough for this result? Would you suggest I take an extra (600mg) tablet of inositol to combat this? Also, has anyone experienced an IB on inositol (I did not the first time around but my skin was in a good state when I started it the last time)? Also, is there a benefit to combining myo and chiro inositol for acne specifically (I have read both may be taken for infertility)? Thanks for the help and please quote me, so I know to check back right away!

 


Edited by brenmc, 26 July 2014 - 02:26 PM.


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Posted 26 July 2014 - 02:48 PM

Yeah, but if we took everything prescribed to us, we'd probably be pill poppers by now ;) Oh, I had a helix piercing infection too....and then I gave up on piercing altogether. it seems like it's one of the most common places for the ear to become infected. Maybe try a topical antibiotic, or something milder/cream like neosporin? 

Yes, maybe taking both forms of inositol could help you. There's also another form, inositol hexaniacinate, which is basically a form of another B vitamin, niacin...I think that might help you too, but I haven't tried it. The only niacin I take is in the vitamin water I drink, but I think it helps a bit. 

As you know from my pre-DIM posts, I was scared of taking it too, but I truly believe that those who claim it raises testosterone just haven't studied DIM closely enough. Wikipedia lists it as the most potent herbal antiandrogen (not that wikipedia is that reliable, but there is some truth to that statement). Some women on acne.org have tried estrosmart, I haven't. I take olympian labs DIM, and I'm nervous about switching to something else because this one only contains DIM...I would be wary of any other ingredients, although companies like Nature's Way and Estosmart's manufacturers claim that the extra ingredients help absorption. But if that's your only option  in Canada, then why not? I don't think you should mix spiro with DIM, though...herbs and hormonal meds don't usually mix... maybe lower the spiro a lot, then add DIM and try to take them many hours apart. 

Btw, I try to take my DIM after a meal (whereas I take 1/8 spoon of inositol on an empty stomach) because I read that fat helps it become better absorbed. 

 

follow the thread on hyperplasia...I'm not sure the enzymes the poster mentioned are digestive...but the digestive enzymes supplements I take also contain other types of enzymes, and I'm wondering if those are helping my hormones in addition to my digestion...

 

 

Thanks for the quick reply WishClean! The antibiotic dose does seem crazy high, but that’s what was prescribed to me. I called the piercing place and based on how swollen my ear had become (it’s a helix piercing, upper ear) they recommended I go to a clinic and the doctor recommended the antibiotics. So here I am. It’s a week-long course. In the early to mid-2000s, I took antibiotics of all shapes and sizes to control my acne to positive, short-term, results. So it’s odd that it would cause a flare-up, except I can’t think of what else may have.  

So you ended up just going back to myo-inositol at a higher dose? What dose, in milligrams, do you take (mine is already in a tablet, so I can’t compare teaspoons or whatever)? According to the video I posted from the Chiral Balance website, myo-inositol works differently from chiro-inositol… I wonder if I need both? Should I up my dose?

I’m thinking CAREFULLY about starting DIM if things don’t clear up soon. I’m really scared about the increase in free testosterone that people talk about causing a breakout but, on the other hand, I’ve been in this renewed struggle for over a year now with little relief. And you said DIM did not cause an IB for you and has actually helped loads, right? Having PCOS, DIM makes sense—because it is a high estrogen and high androgen problem. I’m still on sprio though and GreenGables said she had a horrendous breakout from combining the two. Until my skin gets settled, I’m not comfortable dropping spiro, for fear of a rebound effect. Do you think DIM is a good idea, given my situation? What do you think about this brand (it’s the same Canadian company that makes my inositol (Glucosmart))? http://healthyimmuni.../estrosmart.asp

I read the thread that you linked in, I’m confused. Can you please dumb this down for me—how are digestive enzymes related to cortisteriods?

Thank you!

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Posted 26 July 2014 - 03:35 PM

Thanks. I agree that doctors prescribe antibiotics left and right, but it was take the antibiotics or take the piercing out (it was so swollen that my ear was practically absorbing the piercing), so I figured it was worth a try. This area probably becomes infected easily because of contact with phones, shampoo, etc.. I have decided to stop the antibiotic and just treat it topically now that the swelling has gone down and also in order to not further reduce my inositol.

All the extra ingredients in Estrosmart apparently have a related purpose and it is the most common brand in my area, and since I’ve had a good experience with Glucosmart, I figure it might be a good idea to stick to a reputable brand. Is indole-3-carbinol supposed to be good for acne (it’s also in Estrosmart)?

What is your DIM dose again? What dose do you think would be good for the Estrosmart to start with, the website recommends 4-6 but I want to start slow, while still having some effect? Have you stayed at your lowered doses of inositol and DIM?

I am nervous to try DIM with spiro but I think if I added DIM—or anything really—I might not see positive effects if I drop spiro because a worse breakout from stopping spiro is (almost) inevitable. What if I take them 12 hours apart? Is there no way to take herbs and pharmaceuticals together?

I have followed the thread but it seemed a little frantic, and some terms seemed to be used interchangeably, so I guess I had a hard time following. So the enzymes are a component of the digestive enzymes? And the enzymes work similarly to the prescription she takes in what way?

 

Yeah, but if we took everything prescribed to us, we'd probably be pill poppers by now wink.png Oh, I had a helix piercing infection too....and then I gave up on piercing altogether. it seems like it's one of the most common places for the ear to become infected. Maybe try a topical antibiotic, or something milder/cream like neosporin? 

Yes, maybe taking both forms of inositol could help you. There's also another form, inositol hexaniacinate, which is basically a form of another B vitamin, niacin...I think that might help you too, but I haven't tried it. The only niacin I take is in the vitamin water I drink, but I think it helps a bit. 

As you know from my pre-DIM posts, I was scared of taking it too, but I truly believe that those who claim it raises testosterone just haven't studied DIM closely enough. Wikipedia lists it as the most potent herbal antiandrogen (not that wikipedia is that reliable, but there is some truth to that statement). Some women on acne.org have tried estrosmart, I haven't. I take olympian labs DIM, and I'm nervous about switching to something else because this one only contains DIM...I would be wary of any other ingredients, although companies like Nature's Way and Estosmart's manufacturers claim that the extra ingredients help absorption. But if that's your only option  in Canada, then why not? I don't think you should mix spiro with DIM, though...herbs and hormonal meds don't usually mix... maybe lower the spiro a lot, then add DIM and try to take them many hours apart. 

Btw, I try to take my DIM after a meal (whereas I take 1/8 spoon of inositol on an empty stomach) because I read that fat helps it become better absorbed. 

 

follow the thread on hyperplasia...I'm not sure the enzymes the poster mentioned are digestive...but the digestive enzymes supplements I take also contain other types of enzymes, and I'm wondering if those are helping my hormones in addition to my digestion...

 

 

Thanks for the quick reply WishClean! The antibiotic dose does seem crazy high, but that’s what was prescribed to me. I called the piercing place and based on how swollen my ear had become (it’s a helix piercing, upper ear) they recommended I go to a clinic and the doctor recommended the antibiotics. So here I am. It’s a week-long course. In the early to mid-2000s, I took antibiotics of all shapes and sizes to control my acne to positive, short-term, results. So it’s odd that it would cause a flare-up, except I can’t think of what else may have.  

So you ended up just going back to myo-inositol at a higher dose? What dose, in milligrams, do you take (mine is already in a tablet, so I can’t compare teaspoons or whatever)? According to the video I posted from the Chiral Balance website, myo-inositol works differently from chiro-inositol… I wonder if I need both? Should I up my dose?

I’m thinking CAREFULLY about starting DIM if things don’t clear up soon. I’m really scared about the increase in free testosterone that people talk about causing a breakout but, on the other hand, I’ve been in this renewed struggle for over a year now with little relief. And you said DIM did not cause an IB for you and has actually helped loads, right? Having PCOS, DIM makes sense—because it is a high estrogen and high androgen problem. I’m still on sprio though and GreenGables said she had a horrendous breakout from combining the two. Until my skin gets settled, I’m not comfortable dropping spiro, for fear of a rebound effect. Do you think DIM is a good idea, given my situation? What do you think about this brand (it’s the same Canadian company that makes my inositol (Glucosmart))? http://healthyimmuni.../estrosmart.asp

I read the thread that you linked in, I’m confused. Can you please dumb this down for me—how are digestive enzymes related to cortisteriods?

Thank you!

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Posted 27 July 2014 - 10:01 AM

Hey WishClean and hearts and everyone,

I was reading the FAQs on the company website for the Estrosmart product (which contains DIM, Calcium-D-Glucarate and Inole-3-Carbinol as active ingredients) and the company states it is common to have an initial breakout from taking this pill. Obviously, I don’t want this, so I’m thinking of starting with one pill, rather than the two to four they recommend. What do you think? Hearts, did you have an initial breakout on DIM (I tried finding your post about your experience and couldn’t)? WishClean, do you think the initial breakout could be avoided at a low dose or does that matter? What do you think about the other ingredients, you tried calcium-d-glucarate, right?  Also, I will be taking it 12 hours apart from spiro to hopefully reduce any potential negative interaction. As soon as (and god hopefully soon!) my skin gets under control I plan to wean off of spiro slowly. My hypothesis is that spiro, like birth control pills, may have exacerbated estrogen dominance symptoms in me after long-term use. Therefore, it wouldn’t be that it’s not working but that I have estrogen dominance-caused acne rather than androgen-caused acne now. Does that make sense?


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Posted Yesterday, 12:11 AM

Indole-3-carbinol (I3C) is the precursor to DIM. From what I found back in researching the differences between the two, DIM is more stable and has less potential side effects. Here is an article that explains some differences, about half way down the page. I want to point out that it also says the following: 

 

Since diindolylmethane does not induce the wide array of enzymes that I3C does, there is less of a chance of interaction with other nutrients, hormones or medications. With I3C, antacids and heartburn medications will tend to change an individual’s response due to I3C’s dependence on stomach pH for activation.

 

It would personally make me nervous to take spiro while taking I3C, where it wouldn't with DIM. Also, it's just my opinion but I don't recommend taking one of those cocktail supplements... you wouldn't be able to know if DIM was helping and CDG was making things worse, for example. I have heard of people having IBs from CDG but of course that's not the case for everyone. I have also read a lot of success stories with Estrosmart, etc. so who knows.

 

I don't see any problem with taking half the dose and working up if it's not helping enough. My bet would be that a lower dose would give a smaller initial breakout if that were to happen — not prevent it, though. To answer your question, no I did not have an initial breakout with DIM. It worked slowly and subtly until I was just totally clear, about 4 months.

 

And I agree with your spiro hypothesis. It definitely raised my estrogen levels, even though it's not really supposed to. However, if your acne is caused by excess estrogen or androgens, either way DIM helps with both.



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Posted Yesterday, 10:36 AM

Thanks so much for replying hearts! Yikes, what you said about i-3-c and c-d-g makes me nervous! Is the initial breakout with these two almost inevitable then? In the success stories you read about Estrosmart, did they mention an initial breakout?

I bought the Estrosmart because I take the Glucosmart by the same line. But you think just plain DIM would be safer with spiro? The article mentions i-3-c's interaction with birth control pills, so that makes sense. And DIM addresses androgens and estrogen? I obviously have an issue with both, based on my PCOS symptoms. What dose of DIM did you take? What brand?

Thank you!

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Did you delete your topic on DIM, I couldn’t find it?

 

Indole-3-carbinol (I3C) is the precursor to DIM. From what I found back in researching the differences between the two, DIM is more stable and has less potential side effects. Here is an article that explains some differences, about half way down the page. I want to point out that it also says the following: 

 

Since diindolylmethane does not induce the wide array of enzymes that I3C does, there is less of a chance of interaction with other nutrients, hormones or medications. With I3C, antacids and heartburn medications will tend to change an individual’s response due to I3C’s dependence on stomach pH for activation.

 

It would personally make me nervous to take spiro while taking I3C, where it wouldn't with DIM. Also, it's just my opinion but I don't recommend taking one of those cocktail supplements... you wouldn't be able to know if DIM was helping and CDG was making things worse, for example. I have heard of people having IBs from CDG but of course that's not the case for everyone. I have also read a lot of success stories with Estrosmart, etc. so who knows.

 

I don't see any problem with taking half the dose and working up if it's not helping enough. My bet would be that a lower dose would give a smaller initial breakout if that were to happen — not prevent it, though. To answer your question, no I did not have an initial breakout with DIM. It worked slowly and subtly until I was just totally clear, about 4 months.

 

And I agree with your spiro hypothesis. It definitely raised my estrogen levels, even though it's not really supposed to. However, if your acne is caused by excess estrogen or androgens, either way DIM helps with both.


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Posted Yesterday, 12:26 PM

Hey WishClean and hearts,

I posted this in the "DIM Plus" topic but I decided to post here too just to be sure my response would be seen. I decided Estrosmart is too risky given what you said  hearts and the link you provided. Hearts, I saw on the aforementioned thread that you take DIM Plus. I am restricted from ordering supplements from Amazon here in Canada, so I can't get that brand. This brand is what is available to me in my town: http://sdpharmaceuti...methaneDIM.html. What do you think? It makes me nervous because of the comment re body builders bumping their testosterone and also the packaging looks like all those supplements and protein powders body builders use. Also, it contains AstraGin (from Ginseng) is this harmful at all or does it affect hormones at all?J

 

Edit: Just found this quote on AstraGin: "AstraGin is a combination of Panax Notoginseng and Astragalus Membranaceous and increases amino acid absorption by up to 66% and vitamin and mineral absorption by up to 50%. What does this mean? It means you need a lot less of the goods to do a lot more. AtraGin doesn’t stop there, however. It is also “insulin mimetic” meaning it increases glycogen uptake in muscles for up to 24 hours. More glycogen in our muscles means more growth and recovery and less glucose stored as fat. AstraGin also increases insulin sensitivity which further aids in the above mentioned process." What do you think? I probably don't want to further increase my insulin sensitivity, do I?


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Posted Yesterday, 12:41 PM

Thanks so much for replying hearts! Yikes, what you said about i-3-c and c-d-g makes me nervous! Is the initial breakout with these two almost inevitable then? In the success stories you read about Estrosmart, did they mention an initial breakout?
I bought the Estrosmart because I take the Glucosmart by the same line. But you think just plain DIM would be safer with spiro? The article mentions i-3-c's interaction with birth control pills, so that makes sense. And DIM addresses androgens and estrogen? I obviously have an issue with both, based on my PCOS symptoms. What dose of DIM did you take? What brand?
Thank you!
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Did you delete your topic on DIM, I couldn’t find it?

 
Oh, I didn't mean to scare you! It's not inevitable... not everyone gets an IB with any of these supplements. You may be perfectly fine with Estrosmart, no initial breakouts or anything. I am just trying to give you more information to think about. I considered taking CDG before DIM but after reading anecdotes of girls breaking out from it, I decided to try DIM which had fewer of those stories. I3C does make me nervous if you are taking other medications alongside it, though. In fact, it even says on my bottle of DIM that it is superior to I3C because of it's instability. I'm not super knowledgable on I3C though, so you can take what I'm saying with a grain of salt.
 
WishClean, am I totally remembering incorrectly or did you try CDG for a little while?
 
If I remember right, Estrosmart reviews are about the same as other DIM supplements... mixed. It works better for some than others. An IB wouldn't be predictable from these stories. I'm not trying to push you into using it, but the only real way to know would be to try it. Here are some threads on the actual Estrosmart acne board, though!
 
I took Nature's Way DIM Plus. When I started taking it I was living with my parents who live less than 5 miles from Nature's Way in Utah, so the entire brand was easily obtainable locally and I trusted them. I live in Denver, Colorado now (500 miles away) and I see Nature's Way products here, but not as much of a selection. I took 100mg (two capsules daily) but I was impatient after a month or so and to speed things up I took 150mg (three capsules) for a few months. After I was clear, I lowered the dose back down to 100mg. DIM Plus isn't that expensive ($18 a bottle — $9 a month) but I actually bought a bottle of plain DIM from Piping Rock which I was going to try. It's super cheap ($7 a bottle of 90) and each capsule is 100mg so it would have lasted me three months! I weaned off before trying it, though so it is just sitting in my cabinet unopened, haha. I buy other supplements from Piping Rock (l-cysteine, etc.) and they are great so I imagine that DIM would be good from them too. Not sure if they ship to Canada... If you want me to, I could try to mail you the bottle.
 
DIM does help with excess estrogen (supports estrogen metabolism) and it is a natural anti-androgen as well. If you suspect that both are a problem, it could be very beneficial to you.
 
I do think if you want to stay on spiro and add DIM, taking a plain DIM supplement would be the safest and have less risk of side effects. Ultimately it's up to you and what you're most comfortable with, though! (: Ginseng is supposed to be a hormone regulator, and it can also affect blood sugar. I took it for a few weeks (hoping to help hypoglycemia) and saw no difference in absolutely anything, but maybe that wasn't long enough. I just really need to remember to eat to control blood sugar.
 
Oh, and I did have my thread removed. It had spiraled out of control and I'm strongly considering starting a website that is completely focused on balancing hormones naturally. I repeat myself so many times on other threads and in PMs so I think it would be good to have my experiences and research mostly all in one place.

 

P.S. To update anyone following my progress with quitting inositol... it has been a little over a month. My skin and hair are still great but I haven't been able to drop the weight, yet. I realize I was taking it for 6 months and it might take a little longer for my hormones to readjust, so I'll continue to be patient.


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Posted Yesterday, 01:08 PM

Please do not apologize for the long post, I appreciate the detailed information.

I’m glad you told me about the instability of indole-3-carbinol, it is in higher quantities in Estrosmart than DIM, so it’s probably not a good idea. Not to mention that I saw comments regarding initial breakouts on the Estrosmart company website itself!

That’s so sweet of you to offer to send me a bottle; I’ll keep looking on vitamin websites that send to Canada, and let you know if I absolutely can’t find it. But, ultimately, you would recommend Nature’s Way if I can get my hands on it?  

I don’t know if I should take the brand that has AstraGin in it because I’m on metformin and inositol right now as well. Not sure if you saw my edited post but see above, I posted a quote on AstraGin that is worrying.

I called around town and I also found this version available at a grocery store about 40 minutes from my house: http://www.enzymatic...troBalance.aspx. Which is better, this one or the SD brand I linked to in my other post?

You should start a website or blog! You are so empathetic and knowledgeable, an excellent combination regarding women’s health issues.   

 

Thanks so much for replying hearts! Yikes, what you said about i-3-c and c-d-g makes me nervous! Is the initial breakout with these two almost inevitable then? In the success stories you read about Estrosmart, did they mention an initial breakout?
I bought the Estrosmart because I take the Glucosmart by the same line. But you think just plain DIM would be safer with spiro? The article mentions i-3-c's interaction with birth control pills, so that makes sense. And DIM addresses androgens and estrogen? I obviously have an issue with both, based on my PCOS symptoms. What dose of DIM did you take? What brand?
Thank you!
PS
Did you delete your topic on DIM, I couldn’t find it?

 
Oh, I didn't mean to scare you! It's not inevitable... not everyone gets an IB with any of these supplements. You may be perfectly fine with Estrosmart, no initial breakouts or anything. I am just trying to give you more information to think about. I considered taking CDG before DIM but after reading anecdotes of girls breaking out from it, I decided to try DIM which had fewer of those stories. I3C does make me nervous if you are taking other medications alongside it, though. In fact, it even says on my bottle of DIM that it is superior to I3C because of it's instability. I'm not super knowledgable on I3C though, so you can take what I'm saying with a grain of salt.
 
WishClean, am I totally remembering incorrectly or did you try CDG for a little while?
 
If I remember right, Estrosmart reviews are about the same as other DIM supplements... mixed. It works better for some than others. An IB wouldn't be predictable from these stories. I'm not trying to push you into using it, but the only real way to know would be to try it. Here are some threads on the actual Estrosmart acne board, though!
 
I took Nature's Way DIM Plus. When I started taking it I was living with my parents who live less than 5 miles from Nature's Way in Utah, so the entire brand was easily obtainable locally and I trusted them. I live in Denver, Colorado now (500 miles away) and I see Nature's Way products here, but not as much of a selection. I took 100mg (two capsules daily) but I was impatient after a month or so and to speed things up I took 150mg (three capsules) for a few months. After I was clear, I lowered the dose back down to 100mg. DIM Plus isn't that expensive ($18 a bottle — $9 a month) but I actually bought a bottle of plain DIM from Piping Rock which I was going to try. It's super cheap ($7 a bottle of 90) and each capsule is 100mg so it would have lasted me three months! I weaned off before trying it, though so it is just sitting in my cabinet unopened, haha. I buy other supplements from Piping Rock (l-cysteine, etc.) and they are great so I imagine that DIM would be good from them too. Not sure if they ship to Canada... If you want me to, I could try to mail you the bottle.
 
DIM does help with excess estrogen (supports estrogen metabolism) and it is a natural anti-androgen as well. If you suspect that both are a problem, it could be very beneficial to you.
 
I do think if you want to stay on spiro and add DIM, taking a plain DIM supplement would be the safest and have less risk of side effects. Ultimately it's up to you and what you're most comfortable with, though! (: Ginseng is supposed to be a hormone regulator, and it can also affect blood sugar. I took it for a few weeks (hoping to help hypoglycemia) and saw no difference in absolutely anything, but maybe that wasn't long enough. I just really need to remember to eat to control blood sugar.
 
Oh, and I did have my thread removed. It had spiraled out of control and I'm strongly considering starting a website that is completely focused on balancing hormones naturally. I repeat myself so many times on other threads and in PMs so I think it would be good to have my experiences and research mostly all in one place.

 

P.S. To update anyone following my progress with quitting inositol... it has been a little over a month. My skin and hair are still great but I haven't been able to drop the weight, yet. I realize I was taking it for 6 months and it might take a little longer for my hormones to readjust, so I'll continue to be patient.


Sorry for the long post.


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Posted Yesterday, 11:24 PM

Please do not apologize for the long post, I appreciate the detailed information.
I’m glad you told me about the instability of indole-3-carbinol, it is in higher quantities in Estrosmart than DIM, so it’s probably not a good idea. Not to mention that I saw comments regarding initial breakouts on the Estrosmart company website itself!
That’s so sweet of you to offer to send me a bottle; I’ll keep looking on vitamin websites that send to Canada, and let you know if I absolutely can’t find it. But, ultimately, you would recommend Nature’s Way if I can get my hands on it?  
I don’t know if I should take the brand that has AstraGin in it because I’m on metformin and inositol right now as well. Not sure if you saw my edited post but see above, I posted a quote on AstraGin that is worrying.
I called around town and I also found this version available at a grocery store about 40 minutes from my house: http://www.enzymatic...troBalance.aspx. Which is better, this one or the SD brand I linked to in my other post?
You should start a website or blog! You are so empathetic and knowledgeable, an excellent combination regarding women’s health issues.   

 
Aw thank you! (:
 
I do like Nature's Way because I used it myself, but I'm sure there are other brands that are good as well. Have you looked at http://www.amazon.ca...ywords=dim plus ? It's the Nature's Way DIM Plus on Amazon Canada.
 
Between the two that you linked, the EstroBalance sounds way better in my opinion. It actually looks really close to DIM plus, with added calcium which is a good thing for women. Just make sure you take at least a little vitamin D or get some sun to better absorb the calcium. If I had to choose between the two I would definitely go with that one.

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Posted Today, 09:22 AM

Hey hearts,

For some reason when I went to amazon.ca and tried to purchase it, at the payment stage it said 'cannot be delivered to your location' or whatever. Perhaps because I live on an island? I don't know. Thankfully, my mom found Nature's Way DIM Plus on another website that would deliver to my location! So I am happily awaiting the Nature's Way brand. I decided it would be best to wait for that one because it has such fantastic reviews.

I'm not sure how much to take because each capsule only contains about 12.5mg of actual DIM, I believe. It does have the added mgs of broccoli and cauliflower powder. How many pills/day did you start with and what do you think a good dose is for me, given my situation?

I know it's been said that it's not a great idea to take DIM with spiro, but I was thinking about it and I don't really understand why that would be, since DIM is also an anti-androgen, why would that have a negative interaction? Either way, I do plan to wean off of spiro if I see improvement with DIM.

Do you have any tips for me while taking DIM Plus? Is there a time of day that I should take it? Should I drink extra water to flush toxins out that way?

Thanks!

Please do not apologize for the long post, I appreciate the detailed information.
I’m glad you told me about the instability of indole-3-carbinol, it is in higher quantities in Estrosmart than DIM, so it’s probably not a good idea. Not to mention that I saw comments regarding initial breakouts on the Estrosmart company website itself!
That’s so sweet of you to offer to send me a bottle; I’ll keep looking on vitamin websites that send to Canada, and let you know if I absolutely can’t find it. But, ultimately, you would recommend Nature’s Way if I can get my hands on it?  
I don’t know if I should take the brand that has AstraGin in it because I’m on metformin and inositol right now as well. Not sure if you saw my edited post but see above, I posted a quote on AstraGin that is worrying.
I called around town and I also found this version available at a grocery store about 40 minutes from my house: http://www.enzymatic...troBalance.aspx. Which is better, this one or the SD brand I linked to in my other post?
You should start a website or blog! You are so empathetic and knowledgeable, an excellent combination regarding women’s health issues.   

 
Aw thank you! (:
 
I do like Nature's Way because I used it myself, but I'm sure there are other brands that are good as well. Have you looked at http://www.amazon.ca...ywords=dim plus ? It's the Nature's Way DIM Plus on Amazon Canada.
 
Between the two that you linked, the EstroBalance sounds way better in my opinion. It actually looks really close to DIM plus, with added calcium which is a good thing for women. Just make sure you take at least a little vitamin D or get some sun to better absorb the calcium. If I had to choose between the two I would definitely go with that one.


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Posted Today, 02:03 PM

Hey hearts,

For some reason when I went to amazon.ca and tried to purchase it, at the payment stage it said 'cannot be delivered to your location' or whatever. Perhaps because I live on an island? I don't know. Thankfully, my mom found Nature's Way DIM Plus on another website that would deliver to my location! So I am happily awaiting the Nature's Way brand. I decided it would be best to wait for that one because it has such fantastic reviews.

I'm not sure how much to take because each capsule only contains about 12.5mg of actual DIM, I believe. It does have the added mgs of broccoli and cauliflower powder. How many pills/day did you start with and what do you think a good dose is for me, given my situation?

I know it's been said that it's not a great idea to take DIM with spiro, but I was thinking about it and I don't really understand why that would be, since DIM is also an anti-androgen, why would that have a negative interaction? Either way, I do plan to wean off of spiro if I see improvement with DIM.

Do you have any tips for me while taking DIM Plus? Is there a time of day that I should take it? Should I drink extra water to flush toxins out that way?

Thanks!

 

Awesome! I'm glad that you were able to find a place that ships it to you. (: Each capsule contains 50mg DIM complex, so 2 capsules is 100mg and the recommended dose. I don't know where you read 12.5mg but you'll see when you get the bottle that it says 100mg per serving. It also has 100mg of veggie powders, so technically each serving is 200mg of total supplement (though not all DIM). I really like the capsules because they are quite small compared to a lot of supplements.

 

How much spiro are you taking, again? If you have bad painful acne, I would personally just start at 100mg (2 capsules). You can choose to work up if you want, but from my own experience of not working my way up, it doesn't matter. I just wanted to get clear and like I said I even took 150mg to speed things up for a while. I had a bunch of cystic and those hard nodules like you described in the other post, along with a little non-inflamed stuff and DIM cleared all of it. You can always lower the dose once you're clear if you want later. But again, do what you want... you don't have to take my advice!

 

As far as recommendations for taking it... it's good to take it with food, at least in the beginning. It even suggests this on the bottle. The only —and temporary— side effect that I had was some mild stomach cramping. I read another review on Amazon of someone having that problem as well, and they said food helped. It's probably gas generated from the vegetables or something, haha. I am particularly susceptible to stomach cramping though, like when I eat too much. Anyway, that went away within a couple weeks. After that I could take it on an empty stomach no problem. I don't think time of day matters, though it's maybe worth taking note that testosterone/androgens are higher in the morning. You could space it out from spiro if you want. Since I was taking two capsules a day, I just took one first thing in the morning and one before going to sleep.

 

Plenty of water is good for you no matter what you are taking! (:

 

I really hope that it works for you! I can't think of a reason why it would necessarily be dangerous to take with spiro, but just try to pay attention to how you are feeling while taking both and go from there.


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