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Posted 26 September 2013 - 12:34 PM

Hey guys :)

My oil is starting to bother me more and more every day. I've been researching the androgen scientifics so I'm now looking for some supplement which will work as an antiandrogen, I'm just wondering whether you guys know any awhile are safe and relatively inexpensive.

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 04:08 PM

I've researched Saw Palmetto, and I actually attempted to buy it today, but the problem is I'm currently on a course of antibiotics called Oxytetracycline, so I was wondering if anyone had any information on if the antibiotics would react/not work with the Saw Palmetto?

 

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Posted 27 September 2013 - 10:02 PM

Antibiotics can be safely used with antiandrogen drugs or herbs.

 

Saw Palmetto is a good one, however, I always recommend combining saw palmetto with another type of antiandrogen herb, simply because saw palmetto by itself can be very dehydrating.

 

Try one day on saw palmetto, the next day on a different herb such as stinging nettle or pumpkin seed oil.



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Posted 28 September 2013 - 03:50 AM

Antibiotics can be safely used with antiandrogen drugs or herbs.
 
Saw Palmetto is a good one, however, I always recommend combining saw palmetto with another type of antiandrogen herb, simply because saw palmetto by itself can be very dehydrating.
 
Try one day on saw palmetto, the next day on a different herb such as stinging nettle or pumpkin seed oil.


Thank you so much for replying! :)

I asked my mum to go and buy me some, but she went into a pharmacy and apparently this girl told her that I shouldn't take my antibiotics and the antiandrogen. I really don't want to be oily for when I go to china in a months time, so I need to persuade her..

Any suggestions? :(

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Posted 28 September 2013 - 08:01 AM

Go buy it yourself.



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Posted 28 September 2013 - 10:34 AM

Antibiotics can be safely used with antiandrogen drugs or herbs.
 
Saw Palmetto is a good one, however, I always recommend combining saw palmetto with another type of antiandrogen herb, simply because saw palmetto by itself can be very dehydrating.
 
Try one day on saw palmetto, the next day on a different herb such as stinging nettle or pumpkin seed oil.


Thank you so much for replying! smile.png

I asked my mum to go and buy me some, but she went into a pharmacy and apparently this girl told her that I shouldn't take my antibiotics and the antiandrogen. I really don't want to be oily for when I go to china in a months time, so I need to persuade her..

Any suggestions? sad.png

 

Not sure where you live, but here in the U.S. you can get saw palmetto and such without talking to anyone at the pharmacy. You just grab it off the shelf and buy it. It is located with the vitamins.

 

All I can tell you is that my dermatologist prescribes antibiotics along with antiandrogens all the time. Mine actually pushed me to take an antibiotic along with my spironolactone!

 

You can also find women all over these boards who are taking spironolactone (a prescription antiandrogen) with antibiotics at the same time.

 

No offense to pharmacy staff, but most of them don't know squat about herbs. Their speciality is prescription medications. To them herbs are an unknown that they didn't study in pharmacy school. I've had pharmacists tell me all sorts of weird crap about herbs or vitamins that wasn't even true. 

 

You can buy saw palmetto off amazon.com or amazon.co.uk as well.


Edited by Green Gables, 28 September 2013 - 10:38 AM.


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Posted 28 September 2013 - 01:32 PM

Go buy it yourself.


I live in the UK, is it allowed for me to go and buy multivitamins here?


Antibiotics can be safely used with antiandrogen drugs or herbs.
 
Saw Palmetto is a good one, however, I always recommend combining saw palmetto with another type of antiandrogen herb, simply because saw palmetto by itself can be very dehydrating.
 
Try one day on saw palmetto, the next day on a different herb such as stinging nettle or pumpkin seed oil.


Thank you so much for replying! :)
I asked my mum to go and buy me some, but she went into a pharmacy and apparently this girl told her that I shouldn't take my antibiotics and the antiandrogen. I really don't want to be oily for when I go to china in a months time, so I need to persuade her..
Any suggestions? :(
 
Not sure where you live, but here in the U.S. you can get saw palmetto and such without talking to anyone at the pharmacy. You just grab it off the shelf and buy it. It is located with the vitamins.
 
All I can tell you is that my dermatologist prescribes antibiotics along with antiandrogens all the time. Mine actually pushed me to take an antibiotic along with my spironolactone!
 
You can also find women all over these boards who are taking spironolactone (a prescription antiandrogen) with antibiotics at the same time.
 
No offense to pharmacy staff, but most of them don't know squat about herbs. Their speciality is prescription medications. To them herbs are an unknown that they didn't study in pharmacy school. I've had pharmacists tell me all sorts of weird crap about herbs or vitamins that wasn't even true. 
 
You can buy saw palmetto off amazon.com or amazon.co.uk as well.

Haha, exactly what I was thinking when my mum was speaking about it. I don't know whether to takers herbs behind my mums back or not though :/

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Posted 30 September 2013 - 11:34 AM

When I was a teenager, I would try really hard to convince my parents of something like this. But if that didn't work, I would eventually end up doing what I wanted, whether or not I had their permission.

 

Go buy it yourself.


I live in the UK, is it allowed for me to go and buy multivitamins here?

>> 

 


Antibiotics can be safely used with antiandrogen drugs or herbs.
 
Saw Palmetto is a good one, however, I always recommend combining saw palmetto with another type of antiandrogen herb, simply because saw palmetto by itself can be very dehydrating.
 
Try one day on saw palmetto, the next day on a different herb such as stinging nettle or pumpkin seed oil.


Thank you so much for replying! smile.png
I asked my mum to go and buy me some, but she went into a pharmacy and apparently this girl told her that I shouldn't take my antibiotics and the antiandrogen. I really don't want to be oily for when I go to china in a months time, so I need to persuade her..
Any suggestions? sad.png
 
Not sure where you live, but here in the U.S. you can get saw palmetto and such without talking to anyone at the pharmacy. You just grab it off the shelf and buy it. It is located with the vitamins.
 
All I can tell you is that my dermatologist prescribes antibiotics along with antiandrogens all the time. Mine actually pushed me to take an antibiotic along with my spironolactone!
 
You can also find women all over these boards who are taking spironolactone (a prescription antiandrogen) with antibiotics at the same time.
 
No offense to pharmacy staff, but most of them don't know squat about herbs. Their speciality is prescription medications. To them herbs are an unknown that they didn't study in pharmacy school. I've had pharmacists tell me all sorts of weird crap about herbs or vitamins that wasn't even true. 
 
You can buy saw palmetto off amazon.com or amazon.co.uk as well.

Haha, exactly what I was thinking when my mum was speaking about it. I don't know whether to takers herbs behind my mums back or not though :/

 

 

If you're trying to convince your mom, here is a clinical study specifically using antibiotics with spironolactone (which is a much stronger anti-androgen than saw palmetto):

 

"AV" stands for Acne Vulgaris, which just a scientific way of saying acne.

 

Spironolactone can also be used in combination with oral antibiotic therapy for AV. One report included patients that failed on previous systemic acne treatment with antibiotics, oral isotretinoin, or OCs, and who presented clinically with hormonal pattern AV (N=85). Patients in this analysis were treated with 50 to 100mg of spironolactone daily as monotherapy in combination with an oral antibiotic or in combination with an OC, specifically EE 35ug and NET 1mg (Estrostrep®).25 The patients were monitored monthly or bimonthly and were treated over a duration of 2 to 24 months. Ultimately, 73 patients had data complete enough for evaluation in this retrospective evaluation. Complete clearing or marked improvement of AV were observed in 48 women (66%) who received a low daily dose of spironolactone (50 to 100mg).25 Also, statistical analysis of the data on length of treatment demonstrated a significant trend toward increased benefit with a longer duration of therapy (2-24 months, mean=10 months) (p=0.032).25 There were marked improvements noted with spironolactone alone (20.8%), spironolactone plus an oral antibiotic (58.3%), and spironolactone plus the OC (8.3%).25 Oral antibiotics used in this patient collection were minocycline, erythromycin, or tetracycline. The majority of patients (57.5%) experienced no adverse effects.25 Menstrual irregularities were present in 14 patients (18%), 10 of whom were not receiving the OC (which would have decreased these menstrual-related side effects).25 Clinically relevant hyperkalemia was not noted, and was not anticipated with use of spironolactone in this study population, as patients were relatively young and were not on any concomitant medications that predisposed them to an increase in serum potassium levels. The response rates were similar to previous studies with 150 to 200mg daily of spironolactone for women with AV, showing improve-ments ranging from 56- to 80-percent reduction of acne lesions after 3 to 6 months of treatment.23,42

 

As you can see, they specifically use anti-androgens with antibiotics, and they used a variety of antibiotics, including tetracyclines, which you are on.

 

Full study is here: http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3315877/


Edited by Green Gables, 30 September 2013 - 11:35 AM.


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Posted 03 November 2013 - 04:09 PM

When I was a teenager, I would try really hard to convince my parents of something like this. But if that didn't work, I would eventually end up doing what I wanted, whether or not I had their permission.
 


Go buy it yourself.


I live in the UK, is it allowed for me to go and buy multivitamins here?

>> 


 



Antibiotics can be safely used with antiandrogen drugs or herbs.
 
Saw Palmetto is a good one, however, I always recommend combining saw palmetto with another type of antiandrogen herb, simply because saw palmetto by itself can be very dehydrating.
 
Try one day on saw palmetto, the next day on a different herb such as stinging nettle or pumpkin seed oil.


Thank you so much for replying! :)
I asked my mum to go and buy me some, but she went into a pharmacy and apparently this girl told her that I shouldn't take my antibiotics and the antiandrogen. I really don't want to be oily for when I go to china in a months time, so I need to persuade her..
Any suggestions? :(
 
Not sure where you live, but here in the U.S. you can get saw palmetto and such without talking to anyone at the pharmacy. You just grab it off the shelf and buy it. It is located with the vitamins.
 
All I can tell you is that my dermatologist prescribes antibiotics along with antiandrogens all the time. Mine actually pushed me to take an antibiotic along with my spironolactone!
 
You can also find women all over these boards who are taking spironolactone (a prescription antiandrogen) with antibiotics at the same time.
 
No offense to pharmacy staff, but most of them don't know squat about herbs. Their speciality is prescription medications. To them herbs are an unknown that they didn't study in pharmacy school. I've had pharmacists tell me all sorts of weird crap about herbs or vitamins that wasn't even true. 
 
You can buy saw palmetto off amazon.com or amazon.co.uk as well.

Haha, exactly what I was thinking when my mum was speaking about it. I don't know whether to takers herbs behind my mums back or not though :/
 
 
If you're trying to convince your mom, here is a clinical study specifically using antibiotics with spironolactone (which is a much stronger anti-androgen than saw palmetto):
 
"AV" stands for Acne Vulgaris, which just a scientific way of saying acne.
 
Spironolactone can also be used in combination with oral antibiotic therapy for AV. One report included patients that failed on previous systemic acne treatment with antibiotics, oral isotretinoin, or OCs, and who presented clinically with hormonal pattern AV (N=85). Patients in this analysis were treated with 50 to 100mg of spironolactone daily as monotherapy in combination with an oral antibiotic or in combination with an OC, specifically EE 35ug and NET 1mg (Estrostrep[/size]®[/size]).[/size]25 The patients were monitored monthly or bimonthly and were treated over a duration of 2 to 24 months. Ultimately, 73 patients had data complete enough for evaluation in this retrospective evaluation. Complete clearing or marked improvement of AV were observed in 48 women (66%) who received a low daily dose of spironolactone (50 to 100mg).[/size]25 Also, statistical analysis of the data on length of treatment demonstrated a significant trend toward increased benefit with a longer duration of therapy (2-24 months, mean=10 months) (p=0.032).[/size]25 There were marked improvements noted with spironolactone alone (20.8%), spironolactone plus an oral antibiotic (58.3%), and spironolactone plus the OC (8.3%).[/size]25 Oral antibiotics used in this patient collection were minocycline, erythromycin, or tetracycline. The majority of patients (57.5%) experienced no adverse effects.[/size]25 Menstrual irregularities were present in 14 patients (18%), 10 of whom were not receiving the OC (which would have decreased these menstrual-related side effects).[/size]25 Clinically relevant hyperkalemia was not noted, and was not anticipated with use of spironolactone in this study population, as patients were relatively young and were not on any concomitant medications that predisposed them to an increase in serum potassium levels. The response rates were similar to previous studies with 150 to 200mg daily of spironolactone for women with AV, showing improve-ments ranging from 56- to 80-percent reduction of acne lesions after 3 to 6 months of treatment.[/size]23,[/size]42
 
As you can see, they specifically use anti-androgens with antibiotics, and they used a variety of antibiotics, including tetracyclines, which you are on.
 
Full study is here: http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC3315877/

Seeing as thought I'm 15 and male, and still going through puberty, I'm slightly worried that if I start taking the SP itll effect my boy to man aesthetics. I've read that testerone is essential for growth in the penis and surely the SP will be getting rid of all of that?

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 06:50 PM

Vitamin C supplements have decreased my oil production way more than saw palmetto ever did.



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Posted 03 November 2013 - 07:16 PM

Vitamin C supplements have decreased my oil production way more than saw palmetto ever did.

 

How much are you taking?



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Posted 03 November 2013 - 07:47 PM

Vitamin C supplements have decreased my oil production way more than saw palmetto ever did.

 

How much are you taking?

3g a day in the form of 6 500mg chewable tablets. The difference it makes is amazing. My skin used to get oily within an hour, and now because of changing my diet and taking vitamin C I can go about 8 hours or more and only get slightly oily.



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Posted 05 November 2013 - 03:17 PM

Anyone got any answers to my question above?



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Posted 05 November 2013 - 04:28 PM

Anyone got any answers to my question above?

 

I would advise against taking saw palmetto if you're male, especially if you're still going through puberty. I'm well past puberty and even I'm afraid to try it due to the estrogenic effects I've heard about in other males.



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Posted 05 November 2013 - 04:54 PM

If you don't want to take herb capsules, there are some topicals that can help with hormonal acne.



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 12:53 AM

Vitamin C supplements have decreased my oil production way more than saw palmetto ever did.

 

How?



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Posted 06 November 2013 - 09:08 AM

Vitamin C supplements have decreased my oil production way more than saw palmetto ever did.


 
How?
I honestly have no idea. I've tried to look up why vitamin c would cause a decrease in oil production but I keep coming up empty handed. I have seen a few other people on here report the same thing, though.

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 04:42 PM

Anyone got any answers to my question above?

 
I would advise against taking saw palmetto if you're male, especially if you're still going through puberty. I'm well past puberty and even I'm afraid to try it due to the estrogenic effects I've heard about in other males.

Hang on a minute? If acne-free/oily skin free people don't have oily skin, surely that'd mean they don't have high testerone like me? And I'm sure their penises are growing? Maybe the capsules are okay? So confused!

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 09:14 PM

Hang on a minute? If acne-free/oily skin free people don't have oily skin, surely that'd mean they don't have high testerone like me? And I'm sure their penises are growing? Maybe the capsules are okay? So confused!

 

Having oily skin doesn't necessarily mean your body is producing more testosterone/androgens than people without oily skin. It means, more likely, that the sebaceous glands in your skin are simply more sensitive to the androgens in your body, which might very well be at normal levels.

 

You can do a Google search and find guys who have reported experiencing gynecomastia (manboobs) as a result of taking saw palmetto. There are also transsexual males who take anti-androgens like saw palmetto to supplement their hormone replacement therapy. Given those two things, I prefer to stay away from oral saw palmetto and explore alternative methods of reducing oil.



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Posted 09 November 2013 - 10:40 PM

There are also thousands if not millions of mens who take prescription anti-DHT medications such as Propecia and Finasteride (to treat balding), and are no worse for the wear. 

 

Propecia is waaaay more potent than saw palmetto.

 

There was a saw palmetto study using 320mg of saw palmetto daily in MALES and it improved their acne. "Man boobs" was not a reported side effect. You have to be taking a hell of a lot of saw palmetto, which isn't really that strong, to get anything close to that side effect. 






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