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Posted 17 September 2013 - 10:40 AM

Is oily skin your only health problem? Did you have your testosterone levels tested?

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 03:12 PM


Is oily skin your only health problem? Did you have your testosterone levels tested?


I am literally the model of physical health :) I was a great athlete for years and I maintain good strength and cardiovascular health using the routines and workouts that the team trainers used to have us do. And yes, I believe I said it in my first post that I had testosterone and other hormones checked.

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 03:29 PM

You could be athletic but still suffer IBS, dandruff... I just meant things like that. Have you been tested for food intolerances? Sometimes vitamin D can be linked to the kidneys... oily skin is a mystery, have you tried wearing an oil free moisturiser? Sometimes the skin just over produces because it's dry. Sorry I can't help much further.

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Posted 17 September 2013 - 05:15 PM

You could be athletic but still suffer IBS, dandruff... I just meant things like that. Have you been tested for food intolerances? Sometimes vitamin D can be linked to the kidneys... oily skin is a mystery, have you tried wearing an oil free moisturiser? Sometimes the skin just over produces because it's dry. Sorry I can't help much further.

 

Well of course, but you asked if I "had any other health problems" and being in shape prevents a good majority of them. I don't have any food intolerances either, and yes I have tried an oil free moisturizer.

 

I appreciate your suggestions, but I must say I wasn't exactly asking for help. I've been scientifically testing various things out for the last four years, so I've already checked all the easy ones I'm afraid. I've got it down to a genetic sensitivity to androgens. and for that there's not a ton we can safely do at this point. I may try Saw Palmetto in the future, but that has been a last resort for years (next to Accutane) because of the possibility of throwing my hormones out of whack entirely.

 

This is mainly a mini-thread/log to discuss and keep track of any effects the Vitamin D has on my skin, after being required to take it due to a deficiency. 


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-- Milk of Magnesia Uses http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/329385-ways-to-use-milk-of-magnesia-for-oily-skin/

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-- Oily Skin Research Thread: This shows some of our previous efforts and explains the mechanisms behind oily skin.

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-- My failed but enlightening experiment going the "less is more" route, aka "The Caveman Routine"

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 01:47 AM

Sorry to have offended you, naturally I thought anyone on here was asking for help. Personally I don't believe in Vitamin deficiency's causing skin disease, Vitamin D deficiency causes rickets, that's about it. I don't see people who live in dark countries where there's not much sun getting skin problems. If you do go down the Saw Palmetto route, Peppermint Tea is also supposed to lower androgens.

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 09:04 PM

Did you do a full hormonal panel using saliva samples? The blood testing isn't that reliable for hormones because they get a sample of your hormone levels on only one particular day, and hormones fluctuate all the time. Also, did they check your free testosterone? That's not something that they normally check unless you specifically ask for it. In many cases, testosterone levels come back normal on regular blood tests, but saliva testing can also measure your free testosterone levels (i.e. testosterone circulating outside of the endocrine system that your liver can't filter out of your body).


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Posted 18 September 2013 - 10:05 PM

Did you do a full hormonal panel using saliva samples? The blood testing isn't that reliable for hormones because they get a sample of your hormone levels on only one particular day, and hormones fluctuate all the time. Also, did they check your free testosterone? That's not something that they normally check unless you specifically ask for it. In many cases, testosterone levels come back normal on regular blood tests, but saliva testing can also measure your free testosterone levels (i.e. testosterone circulating outside of the endocrine system that your liver can't filter out of your body).

 

I don't know if saliva testing is any more accurate than blood testing; it's normal for hormones to fluctuate but when they do it is in very small variations. If you have an excess (or deficiency) of a hormone, it would show up regardless which end of the plus or minus 5% variance you are experiencing at the time. A quick search didn't really show any results for saliva testing being more accurate other than from websites/companies that sell saliva testing LOL. If anything, I don't believe saliva testing is standardized across the medical field field so while one technique/test may be accurate but one from a different company may not be. 

 

And yes, I had my free and total testosterone checked through the blood tests, as well as all other pertinent hormones.


Edited by CBIOT13, 18 September 2013 - 10:07 PM.

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-- DIY Apple Cider Vinegar Toner http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/324606-flakydryoily-skin-try-this/

-- How to Ice Inflammed or Picked at Cysts http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/327532-acne-redness-removal-trick/

-- Milk of Magnesia Uses http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/329385-ways-to-use-milk-of-magnesia-for-oily-skin/

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-- Oily Skin Research Thread: This shows some of our previous efforts and explains the mechanisms behind oily skin.

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/326345-oily-skin-research/

-- My failed but enlightening experiment going the "less is more" route, aka "The Caveman Routine"

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Posted 18 September 2013 - 10:35 PM

Did you do a full hormonal panel using saliva samples? The blood testing isn't that reliable for hormones because they get a sample of your hormone levels on only one particular day, and hormones fluctuate all the time. Also, did they check your free testosterone? That's not something that they normally check unless you specifically ask for it. In many cases, testosterone levels come back normal on regular blood tests, but saliva testing can also measure your free testosterone levels (i.e. testosterone circulating outside of the endocrine system that your liver can't filter out of your body).

 

I don't know if saliva testing is any more accurate than blood testing; it's normal for hormones to fluctuate but when they do it is in very small variations. If you have an excess (or deficiency) of a hormone, it would show up regardless which end of the plus or minus 5% variance you are experiencing at the time. A quick search didn't really show any results for saliva testing being more accurate other than from websites/companies that sell saliva testing LOL. If anything, I don't believe saliva testing is standardized across the medical field field so while one technique/test may be accurate but one from a different company may not be. 

 

And yes, I had my free and total testosterone checked through the blood tests, as well as all other pertinent hormones.

The doctor I'm seeing told me this because she took a look at the bloodwork I had done and said it doesn't show much other than low progesterone. Yeah, most information comes from specific labs that offer those tests, but some private doctors and clinics do offer saliva testing. I first heard about it on acne.org actally. Well, I don't know about your hormones, but mine fluctuate significantly from one week to the next because of PCOS.  One week my skin is totally calm, and the next it explodes, along with other pleasant symptoms. That's why for me saliva testing would be more indicative of which hormones fluctuate and in what ways each week. But maybe that wasn't the case with you, if your acne isn't hormonal. 

Are you having any luck with vitamin D?


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Posted 18 September 2013 - 10:47 PM



Did you do a full hormonal panel using saliva samples? The blood testing isn't that reliable for hormones because they get a sample of your hormone levels on only one particular day, and hormones fluctuate all the time. Also, did they check your free testosterone? That's not something that they normally check unless you specifically ask for it. In many cases, testosterone levels come back normal on regular blood tests, but saliva testing can also measure your free testosterone levels (i.e. testosterone circulating outside of the endocrine system that your liver can't filter out of your body).

 
I don't know if saliva testing is any more accurate than blood testing; it's normal for hormones to fluctuate but when they do it is in very small variations. If you have an excess (or deficiency) of a hormone, it would show up regardless which end of the plus or minus 5% variance you are experiencing at the time. A quick search didn't really show any results for saliva testing being more accurate other than from websites/companies that sell saliva testing LOL. If anything, I don't believe saliva testing is standardized across the medical field field so while one technique/test may be accurate but one from a different company may not be. 
 
And yes, I had my free and total testosterone checked through the blood tests, as well as all other pertinent hormones.
The doctor I'm seeing told me this because she took a look at the bloodwork I had done and said it doesn't show much other than low progesterone. Yeah, most information comes from specific labs that offer those tests, but some private doctors and clinics do offer saliva testing. I first heard about it on acne.org actally. Well, I don't know about your hormones, but mine fluctuate significantly from one week to the next because of PCOS.  One week my skin is totally calm, and the next it explodes, alng with other pleasant symptoms. That's why for me saliva testing would be more indicative of which hormones fluctuate and in what ways each week. But maybe that wasn't the case with you, if your acne
isn't hormonal. 
Are you having any luck with vitamin D?
Really I don't think my skin has changed much since I was 13 years old. It's been oily and acne prone since I first got facial hair haha.

And it's hard to tell if the vitamin D is doing anything. Like I said in previous posts, I changed a few things about my lifestyle that could be causing the improvement in my skin that I'm seeing. It'll probably take me a month or two before I can really tell for sure. At this point, I'd say I'm seeing a 30% reduction in oil and significantly better looking skin (less pimples, even tones).

Edited by CBIOT13, 18 September 2013 - 10:48 PM.

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-- How to Ice Inflammed or Picked at Cysts http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/327532-acne-redness-removal-trick/

-- Milk of Magnesia Uses http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/329385-ways-to-use-milk-of-magnesia-for-oily-skin/

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-- Oily Skin Research Thread: This shows some of our previous efforts and explains the mechanisms behind oily skin.

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/326345-oily-skin-research/

-- My failed but enlightening experiment going the "less is more" route, aka "The Caveman Routine"

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/327898-a-minimalist-approach-for-oily-skin/

 

 

 


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Posted 11 October 2013 - 11:24 PM

And it's hard to tell if the vitamin D is doing anything. Like I said in previous posts, I changed a few things about my lifestyle that could be causing the improvement in my skin that I'm seeing. It'll probably take me a month or two before I can really tell for sure. At this point, I'd say I'm seeing a 30% reduction in oil and significantly better looking skin (less pimples, even tones).

 

Is your skin still improving?



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Posted 11 October 2013 - 11:39 PM

Yes and no. I had been trying to hold off posting anything until I had some hard evidence one way or another, but it deserves an update after almost 4 weeks.

 

I've been able to conclude that none of the things I have been trying had caused any consistent any significant improvement. It appears that my skin was just going through a good stretch, and the fact that as I get older my skin is maturing and becoming less sensitive. 

 

What I've seen from my lifestyle changes:

- I am not allergic or reactive to dairy products in the short term

- Cooler weather DOES mean less acne in general for me

- When I am in an anabolic state, I am more prone to acne. This is complicated, but it basically means if you eat, sleep, and train like an athlete then your body has higher hormonal levels. I saw that times when I was at my physical peak I would get cysts once a week like clockwork. After pulling a few all-nighters to study, eating less, and missing workouts I haven't seen anywhere near as many.

- The glycemic index of the food I'm eating has no short term effect on my skin

- Vitamin D does not affect my acne or oily skin in the short term

 

What I am still monitoring:

- It would take a very long time (months) for a body to change baseline hormonal levels. I believe that through eating 6000 calories a day in the past and going to the gym a lot, I could have high circulating levels or IGF-1 and DHT. Now even if I eliminate the causes of them, it will take quite awhile for any change to happen. I'd expect the changes I implemented in October to not have any noticeable external manifestations until at least early December in this regard.


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-- Oily Skin Research Thread: This shows some of our previous efforts and explains the mechanisms behind oily skin.

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/326345-oily-skin-research/

-- My failed but enlightening experiment going the "less is more" route, aka "The Caveman Routine"

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 11:51 AM

CBIOT13:

 

I like your logical approach to things. Very refreshing.


What type of exercise do you do? I'm curious because I'm a runner and it seems that when I run very consistently (3-6 miles, 6 days a week) for a month or two, my skin actually improves a lot. But when I cut down on running (because I'm busy, usually), my acne gets worse. I don't quite know how my skin reacts to weight lifting as I do more body-resistance training...

However, I assume since you were taking in 6000 calories (OMG...literally almost 5x the amount I need in a day...), you're a weight lifter? What sorts of changes are you making in your workouts? Are you going to switch from lifting to more cardio? Lol...sorry...tons of questions...



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Posted 02 November 2013 - 04:17 PM

CBIOT13:

 

I like your logical approach to things. Very refreshing.


What type of exercise do you do? I'm curious because I'm a runner and it seems that when I run very consistently (3-6 miles, 6 days a week) for a month or two, my skin actually improves a lot. But when I cut down on running (because I'm busy, usually), my acne gets worse. I don't quite know how my skin reacts to weight lifting as I do more body-resistance training...

However, I assume since you were taking in 6000 calories (OMG...literally almost 5x the amount I need in a day...), you're a weight lifter? What sorts of changes are you making in your workouts? Are you going to switch from lifting to more cardio? Lol...sorry...tons of questions...

 

Hi, I apologize for the slow response; I've been pretty busy lately. I've been averaging about 3-4 hours of sleep a night, and quite frankly acne.org had been pretty low on the to-do list haha.

 

Yes, so you're noticing one of the most important concepts when it comes to hormonal acne and exercise. When you lift heavy weights you predominantly have the goal of getting stronger/bigger; and with this usually comes a larger caloric intake and possibly supplements. The goal of all this is to keep your body in what's is called an "anabolic state", basically you have loads of circulating nutrients, high glucose stores, and high levels of circulating androgens. It is the presence of these three things that leads to an increase in hormonal acne for some people. A high caloric load alone usually won't do, supplements alone usually won't due it, but throw those two in with a body that is lifting heavy and it's a whole different animal.

 

And so where exactly does cardio fit in right? Well, we can look at it just like we did before. Do you usually eat lots before/after a big run? Not usually. And do you take protein or stimulants before hitting the treadmill? Other than caffeine I rarely do. So the simple fact that these two are not in the equation already lends cardio to have a lower hormonal response (this is good for acne). And then there's the physiological affects of cardio, which are very different than weightlifting. In general, cardio stimulates MUCH less of an androgenic response than heavy lifting. In fact, there have been studies showing that endurance exercises actually LOWERS baseline androgen levels for various reasons. Cardio and Heavy lifting are actually opposite ends of the scale in terms of how your body responds.

 

So all in all, cardio will tend to blunt the effects of hormonal acne while weight lifting (heavy and with protein supplements) will tend to increase it. Personally I used to workout hard, eats tons, and take lots of supplements. I had a ripped but strong body like Hugh Jackman in Wolverine lol, but my skin was always not that great. I've since decided that I don't have time to be both an engineer, boyfriend, AND workout junkie so I've cut all my workouts in half and eliminated all my protein powders; and the results have been pretty dramatic. I've been holding off making a thread about it until I'm positive exactly what the biggest contributor is, but consider this a preview of something to come in a few weeks lol.

 

I hope that answered some of your questions.


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-- Milk of Magnesia Uses http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/329385-ways-to-use-milk-of-magnesia-for-oily-skin/

Other Threads Worth Looking At

-- Oily Skin Research Thread: This shows some of our previous efforts and explains the mechanisms behind oily skin.

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/326345-oily-skin-research/

-- My failed but enlightening experiment going the "less is more" route, aka "The Caveman Routine"

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/327898-a-minimalist-approach-for-oily-skin/

 

 

 


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Posted 26 December 2013 - 10:10 AM

Any update on this?


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Posted 29 December 2013 - 12:35 AM

Any update on this?

 

Yep I started a new thread with my update since the Vitamin D discussion in it was not the only thing I was talking about, and it seemed like there was too much off-topic material to put it here.

 

 

This is the new thread http://www.acne.org/...s-of-oily-skin/


Edited by CBIOT13, 29 December 2013 - 12:37 AM.

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-- DIY Apple Cider Vinegar Toner http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/324606-flakydryoily-skin-try-this/

-- How to Ice Inflammed or Picked at Cysts http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/327532-acne-redness-removal-trick/

-- Milk of Magnesia Uses http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/329385-ways-to-use-milk-of-magnesia-for-oily-skin/

Other Threads Worth Looking At

-- Oily Skin Research Thread: This shows some of our previous efforts and explains the mechanisms behind oily skin.

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/326345-oily-skin-research/

-- My failed but enlightening experiment going the "less is more" route, aka "The Caveman Routine"

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/327898-a-minimalist-approach-for-oily-skin/

 

 

 





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