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#41 cvd

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 01:42 PM

Had my monthly microdermabrasion at my derm's office today and the clinician said my skin has been looking really good the past 2 months, and especially this visit.  She said it looked like I'd never had an acne problem!  WOW!!!  If that isn't an endorsement for this way of eating - what is?  I think the main difference is that my pores are not clogged up with sticky sebum and oil.  This diet is also helping the tx regime below to work better. 

 

P.S.  Microdermabrasions are a godsend for skin that doesn't shed properly and it also helps open pores.  Professional microdermabrasions are different than home ones in that they suction out the pores and use a rough diamond head rather than powders that can clog up pores again.


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 08:38 PM

Just a note to readers...many professionals do crystal microdermabrasions (which has powder in it) because many people prefer it. Any professional microdermabrasion machine will be better than a home kit, but as I said, if you're worried about powder, the crystal ones basically blast crystal granules over your face. If you want the no-powder diamond head version make sure you ask for it. Some estheticians charge a little more for it. 


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Posted 15 October 2013 - 09:36 PM

I've read that home microdermabrasions can be a problem because the powders can get stuck in pores.  But you're right, Green Gables, that professional ones are different and don't do this...mainly because the crystal powder is suctioned off --- and the degree of suction can be controlled by the clinician same as the diamond head microdermabrasion system.  My derm recommends the diamond head microdermabrasion as being the best for acne issues.


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 01:01 PM

Are you still taking the omega-3 capsule in your signature on this diet?


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Posted 16 October 2013 - 01:29 PM

Hi CVD, also trying low fat whole foods, my problem is more oily skin and whiteheads, and I'm 37 years old. Paleo never worked on me.

How strict are you with fats? I saw McDougall said to refrain from avo and animal fats (including fish). Yesterday I had avo, poached eggs and smoked trout (high fat), and strangely enough my skin worsened for about 24 hours. Anyway, I'm just experimenting and observing my skin's response at the moment.

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Posted 16 October 2013 - 04:14 PM

Hi CVD, also trying low fat whole foods, my problem is more oily skin and whiteheads, and I'm 37 years old. Paleo never worked on me.

How strict are you with fats? I saw McDougall said to refrain from avo and animal fats (including fish). Yesterday I had avo, poached eggs and smoked trout (high fat), and strangely enough my skin worsened for about 24 hours. Anyway, I'm just experimenting and observing my skin's response at the moment.

 What is avo? Very fatty fish and eggs break me out and make me more oily so maybe that's the case for you too.



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Posted 16 October 2013 - 09:44 PM

Avo = avocado. I believe so, exactly why Paleo did not work for me.

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 04:52 PM

Green Gables --- Yes, I am still taking Omega-3 Fish oil (Organic Nordic Naturals)

 

Lilo --- Yes, I use EVO but very sparingly...like 1/2 tsp in a whole dinner cooked for 4 people.  I add water as needed while cooking...like Dr McDougall talks about and it works great.  I tried avoiding oils completely but I lost too much weight and the foods I liked just wouldn't cook right (sauteed mushrooms and vegies, omelets, etc) without a tiny amount of oil.  Plus I think a bit of pure pressed oil is much like ancient people did.  Oil was precious and used very sparingly because it was so hard to make.  Re: avocado and smoked fish...you may have some rosacea which can react to those two things with inflammation and breakouts.  Acne typically would not but rosacea can.  Avocado is a big trigger for some rosaceans.  Personally I can eat avocado with no problems eventho I have a bit of rosacea.  Some people with acne react to high salt foods and smoked fish can have both high salt and sugar depending on the smoking method.

 

Paigems --- I'm okay with eggs but they can be a trigger for some people since eggs are a high allergen food.

 

Update on my progress...

 

I went on a trip last weekend (again) and was stuck eating out where it was impossible to get good foods to eat.  Several times during the trip despite my best efforts I was served foods swimming in oil and/or butter (...no wonder our population is so obese...).  Even ordering grilled wild salmon with fingerling potatoes and fresh vegetables was an oily mess...so much oil there were pools of it on the plate.  I asked for nothing on the salmon but it was still grilled in a ton of oil...sigh.  My skin was clear when I started the trip but I started breaking out on the 2nd day with a tiny whitehead, the 3rd day with some inflammation and by the time I got home a mild rosacea flare which is different than acne...flat red spots that go away in a day or two.  During the trip I was so hungry I ate wheat french bread (served with meals) and I'm sure that didn't help since I am sensitive to that as well and am supposed to rotate it.  I was with a group of people going to a football game so we ate in pubs where the only starches offered were frozen potatoes fried in cheap oil, white sugary wheat products, etc.  I also have fructose malabsorption and have to avoid all fruits, tomatoes and carrots, etc. and in restaurants it seems like tomatoes and carrots are the only vegies in salads!  Also try asking for soymilk for oatmeal --- ha-ha!

 

Once I was home eating rice as my staple with oatmeal for breakfast and steamed vegies and baked fish, etc., my skin calmed right down and is clear again.


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Monthly - Professional microdermabrasion

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Posted 29 October 2013 - 05:11 AM

Thanks for the update cvd. I've been trying out a similar low fat for a few weeks now, and so far so good. My diet now mostly consists of green smoothies, oatmeal, chicken, fish, veggies, and fruit, and my skin looks great and is much less oily. I still have an issue with blackheads and sebaceous filaments, though. Have you noticed any reduction in these from your diet? I've only been eating this way consistently for a few weeks now so maybe that is not enough time to get rid of these. They don't look like they're getting ready to budge though.



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Posted 29 October 2013 - 07:52 PM

What are sebaceous filaments?


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Posted 30 October 2013 - 05:37 PM

This thread explains them pretty well http://www.acne.org/...eous-filaments/

 

The only time I've seen mine go away was when I took spiro and accutane.



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Posted 01 November 2013 - 10:08 AM

Yes I have sebaceous filaments but they are only noticable in my 10x mirror and are light tan in color.  I don't have blackheads --- which may be due to getting monthly microdermabrasions at my derm's office.  But I never really got that many anyway.  My acne problem was deep painful infected cysts and whiteheads on my nose, in addition to rosacea flare-ups on my cheeks.  All of that is gone now except for occasional small flat pink spots on my cheek from rosacea...due to stress from traveling, not being able to stick to my diet, etc.  They fade away quickly within hours or a day.  I don't think there's anything to do about them more than I'm doing since rosacea is triggered by weather, sun, stress and things beyond diet.  And I already take the 40mg Doxy (anti-inflammatory...not antibiotic dose) for it.  They don't happen too often.  The diet I'm on has helped though as excess oily skin seemed to make them more frequent.

 

I think it takes at least a month or two to reap rewards from this diet...although I saw results within 2 weeks.  The reason why is pores take awhile to get clogged up and so you have a residue of junk to expel while your skin is changing to being less oily.  As the residual acne resolves itself the skin becomes clearer.  But it takes a bit of time.  This is where some topicals can help the process along and I'm sure my regime below helped the process go more quickly.  I know there are some people on this site who are purists and think that if you doing any mainstream meds along with diet that it doesn't count...but I disagree.  For those of us with chronic serious acne, it would be too awful to go off the meds while experimenting with a diet.  Actually I did that two years ago...my old derm wanted to see what would happen.  OMG --- what a mess.  My skin returned to hell in about 3 months...deep infected cysts, inflammation.  Horrible.  My current derm immediately put me back on the meds and added monthly microderms, BP cleanser and topical Cleocin-T antibiotic.  To really test this diet I want to eventually try weaning off spironolactone and the anti-inflammatory dose of doxy (40mg).  But he doesn't want me to right now.  He wants my skin to be "normal" for awhile before changing anything.

 

However on this diet, what is amazing to me is how my whole body seems to be doing so much better.  Besides clearer skin, my complexion is a healthy peachy color and I don't have an oily sheen anymore...just a dewy complexion.  My digestion has improved dramatically and I have tons more energy.  I think all that oil and margarine I was eating before must have been clogging up my system somehow...not sure how but I can see the difference.

 

Because I'm avoiding oils, I find I eat much more food overall...and that means more vegies.  This is probably a key to the improved health.  I eat a ton of cooked and raw vegies, often two potatoes, more interesting things for breakfast like potatoes and kale with a poached egg, etc. 

 

I have lost weight avoiding oils and am at a very trim 120 lbs for my 5'4" frame.  I don't want to lose more weight and so am really packing on the food...which my body seems to love!  Also I don't eat sugary foods so that also leads to weight loss.  A typical dinner for me is a HUGE salad with raw vegies, 4 red potatoes, small portion of salmon or turkey, and a BIG helping of broccoli steamed with garlic and mushrooms.  As you can see, I am not depriving myself.  Lunch is usually leftovers with rice.   
 


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Monthly - Professional microdermabrasion

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Posted 09 November 2013 - 06:39 PM

My skin continues to do well.  I've gotten a whitehead here or there but they go away in a day.  Even my rosacea is better.  I can get a small red patch on my cheek but it goes pale in a day versus a week like before.  I go in for my monthly microdermabrasion tomorrow and will see what they say.  I'm keeping to the diet --- only a teeny bit of olive oil if sauteing something.  At first I really missed margarine and oils but now I don't...don't even think about it.  This has really made a difference!  Since I've never ever had it, I'm wondering what "normal" skin is like...but I'm thinking I'm pretty close to it. 

 

Another thing that is new is something I've seen in people with normal skin...they might get a tiny red thing but it usually goes away in several hours or by the next day.  I've alway envied those people because if I got a tiny red thing I could count on it growing and growing and in several days becoming an angry tender infected cyst.  But now I too can get a tiny red thing that goes away rather quickly without developing into something else...amazing!  And that's never happened before...ever...even when on treatment regimes.  I might have less cysts, etc. but something red would always get bigger and infected.

 

It was the dread of what my skin was doing or about to do that really messed me up emotionally.  Now that my skin is doing better I still grapple with the emotional parts but I'm sure I'll get over that eventually.  I've had acne a very long long time so naturally it'll take time to get over it.  I'm just hoping everything I'm doing continues to work!!  In the past, treatments would work for a month or so and then stop working and that messed me up big time --- the disappointment over and over.  I've read that same dread and disappointment in many posts on this site...people becoming so disappointed after such great hopes.

 

I'm becoming more and more confirmed that strictly limiting oils, along with avoiding dairy, sugars and refined foods, is a major key to clear skin.


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Posted 16 November 2013 - 09:51 AM

I'm thinking of avoiding fish oil for awhile and see what that does.  I continue to get a whitehead here and there and some inflammation.  Basically nothing as compared with before.  I've been reading how fish oil is not good for all people and will post on that.  It seems to upset my stomach even when I use the high end ones.  And I eat tons of salmon anyway.  In addition research has come out indicating that vitamin D3 may be a factor in rosacea...and many if not most people with adult acne have some of the P&P kind of rosacea happening.  I'll avoid that too and post about it.


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 02:01 AM

I loved fish oil for for anti-inflammatory effects while running my knees felt 10x better when i took it. However, I developed a sort of delayed allergic reaction from it. I assume it was either the processing methods or that my body just didn't like cod any more. I stopped taking it for awhile. I ordered a lesser dosage same company (swansons) and started breaking out. So there went that and my running slowly declined.

 

My cousin was on fish oil as well then all of a sudden had terrible cystic acne out of no where. She stopped it and it calmed down. So i would like to see your response on this. Sounds similar to me and her.

 

Sadly when i tried to eat healthier, but then when i was unable to for like 2 days because of travel and such I would (my body) response terribly. Break outs and such. So i slowly gave up my crusade and then became one of those drenched in butter eaters..but i do not breakout like i used to. Still not healthy. Just can't afford now to change back to healthier eating at this point.


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Posted 17 November 2013 - 03:02 AM

i think carnivors have their stomach working for 3 hours a day, while herbivors' stomach is made to work ALL THE TIME. if you want to replace a chicken soup with a vegetable salad, then make sure it's "a whole table size" salad.

i wanted to mention that no animal fat for 3 years made me lose 30kg, but from 95kg to 65kg, and i'm 186cm tall. also in the last year i started eating more and more meat but that doesn't put fat on, you (i) have to lift some weights and eat more meat to not get scared when i measure my weight again.

 

in my opinion, acne has nothing to do with unhealthy diet. i'm using foods for their anti-androgen effect not because they'r healthy nowadays.

i'll try to get serious on this route, with saw palmetto&co.


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Posted 01 December 2013 - 02:51 PM

Amazing...went on week long trip to AZ and was clear the whole time!!!!  Did my best to avoid oils, although there were times people sauteed in more EVO than I would use.  Also followed my usual diet avoiding sugars, caffeine, alcohol, etc. and my skin did great.  Normally even on the meds below, I'd breakout on such a stressful trip.  It seems Dr McDougall was right...give the diet of avoiding oils at least 2 months while your sebum gradually changes to less sticky and new acne can't form.  Also stopped fish oil supplements and I think that has helped too.  I'm eating lots of chia and salmon instead.


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Daily - Walk, breath deeply, meditate and do yoga daily, wear hats for sun protection 

 

 


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 12:40 PM

Just thought I'd give an update on my progress.  It's now been several months since starting this diet and I have to say that it is the best diet I've ever done for keeping clear.  I'm still doing meds but as I've stated before...using only meds never kept me clear.  Adding the diet is what finally cleared me up.  And I am staying clear.  My whole skin is doing better.  Since avoiding fish oil I also have noted that my skin is less irritated and plugged up.  So at least for me avoiding ALL oils except for a teeny amount of EVO in cooking has done the trick. 

 

I wish I could shout out this info to everyone.  Avoiding all oils may be what finally gets you clear.  Yes, it is hard to do at first because our culture is so steeped in drenching everything in oil.  But once you make the switch you will feel so much better.  I read that oils, especially the ones in use now, actually dampen the immune system.  Our bodies were not made to consume oils like this.  Instead we were made to get our oils from oily fish and eating fowl, etc.  And historically (in BC times) we added small amounts of EVO.  EVO is one of the only oils still made in the way our ancestors ate.  Because it is a whole food our bodies can use it well and not get inflammed.  Solvent made oils cause inflammation (read research on the net).

 

Avoiding dairy is essential...as well as avoiding sugars.  Avoiding dairy has to do with how acne sufferers are sensitive to hormones and do better avoiding foods with naturally occurring and added hormones.  Avoiding sugars has to do with eating more like our ancestors and cultures that typically do not get acne.  They eat whole foods that digest slowly and so insulin levels stay balanced.

 

If you are genetically prone to acne and want to get clear avoid the typical western diet full of sugar, fats, caffeine, etc.  It's that simple.  I did this over the years but never really avoiding fats.  It wasn't until I read the research on cultures without acne that I realized the connection of fats to acne.

 

Now my skin is totally different due to avoiding fats.  I wish I had a photo showing before and after!!!  But I avoided all photos when I was breaking out.   


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Morning - Panoxyl 4 Cleanser (BP), Cleocin-T, DML Lotion, Physician's Formula SPF 30 Mineral Pressed Powder, Spiro 100 mg

Night - Cetaphil Antibacterial Bar, DML Lotion

Monthly - Professional microdermabrasion

Diet - Whole high nutrient unprocessed foods.  Avoid oils, dairy, sugars, bread, nuts, alcohol, caffeine, and fermented foods.

Supplements - Opti l-zinc, citrical + D3

Daily - Walk, breath deeply, meditate and do yoga daily, wear hats for sun protection 

 

 


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 03:27 PM

How bad was your digestion before you started this diet? That is the thing I am struggling with most at the moment. I've suspected starch foods are the issue but I do eat a lot of fruit, it could possibly be the fructose in them.


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Posted 13 December 2013 - 05:13 PM

Hello,

Thank you for this inspiring topic, I think I'm going to try this next as my gluten-free probiotic-full diet doesn't seem really promising for now…

 

I'd like your opinion about something though, if would be so kind as to help me out, that would be fantastic.

If I can't eat lots of fruits (fructose/sugar), can't eat lots of grains (hard to digest, anti-nutriments), can't eat lots of meat (I've heard it's bad in large quantities, can't remember  why though) : What can I eat a lot of that is relatively easy to prepare and not too expensive? Carrots? Salad? Cabbage? That's it? Any more ideas?

My reasoning behind this is: If I can't have a fair amount of staple items in a diet, I will most likely fail. And considering I'm underweight, I need to be able to eat a good amount of it (I know eating lots of different things is better, but that sounds really hard and complicated with a restrictive diet)

 

A bit off-topic: would you recommend using BP alongside this diet to get rid of pimples that tend to stay there for months and make it hard to see if the diet is working?

 

Thanks a lot! (:






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