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#221 no_hope

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Posted 24 June 2014 - 06:38 PM

I think it's a new class of hyaluronic acid fillers.  Most hyaluronic acid fillers like Restylane or Juvederm are cross-linked.   Normal hyaluronic acid is not cross-linked so it is constantly being created and destroyed by the body.   Cross-linking makes the HA harder to break down, and that's why the filler is able to last for months as opposed to being quickly metabolized by the body like natural HA.  Crosslinking turns HA from a liquid into a thick, viscous gel.

 

They use this uncrosslinked HA for procedures called mesotherapy, which is big in Europe but not in North America.   It's basically using non-crosslinked HA to rehydrate the skin and to inject very superficially to help fine lines.  If you injected this, it would dissipate quickly like the doctor said, which would solve the problem of more filler causing your face to look fatter and rounder.

Too bad he doesn't offer much of a discount for using just saline solution, but at least we know that it is possible with other substances

thanks for your reply. i did a  bit of research on real self. its seems this type of filler is used on lips mainly as a lip enhancer. there was quite a few negative reviews on this. some claim the filler lasts months so im a bit confused since the filler is not supposed to be cross linked. 

 

in my case im abit worried because i still have filler in my face and it has been 7.5 months since i had my last enerjet session. i wanna wait until the filler is re absorbed into my body before going ahead with third treatment. the great amount of volume added is a big turn off for me so this non crosslinked filler seems ideal. i wish enerjet didnt have this side effect its such a bummer. its great for those who dont mind having volume added to there face though.



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Posted 25 June 2014 - 02:59 AM

Yeah I totally feel you on the volume thing.   I had filler done in the past for acne scars and it was not done skillfully.  I looked bloated and way overinjected.  It clearly looked like I had some sort of "work" done.  As a guy, the last thing you want people to notice is that you've had obvious cosmetic work on your face.  I'm surprised the volume has lasted so long for you.  Which filler brand did they use?   

 

You might want to take those reviews on Realself with a grain of salt.   If I've learned anything, it's that most people are surprisingly ignorant about medical procedures.  For God's sake people still dont' know the difference between Fraxel Restore and Repair, so forget about them understanding what crosslinked and non crosslinked means.  If it is not cross linked, it cannot survive in the body very long.



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Posted 26 June 2014 - 06:23 PM

ya man trust me! its so embarrasing too look like you  have had work done on the face especially for guys. im pretty hesitant to get filler again especially since i still have filler in my face. i belive he used juvederm on me. its most obvious when i smile my face looks way fatter. 

 

i think im gonna go ahead with a second intracel treatment since ive gotten alright results from the first. 



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Posted 06 August 2014 - 04:05 PM

Bump.

Hey no_hope, how is your progress coming along? :)

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Posted 23 August 2014 - 03:04 AM

Bumping again,

Please, if anyone who has had this procedure can update their progress? Any side effects?

My scarring is getting me so, so, so down. I don't see any great future. I have an appointment to see a dermatologist in Australia to see if I can have this done. I still have some acne see, though I only get a couple of little pimples per week now randomly, and they go away quite quick. I haven't had any acne cysts for the last three months (well except one when my aesthetician did extractions and two became infected and merged into one cyst)

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Posted 24 August 2014 - 12:39 PM

I've had the second treatment for enerjet 2 weeks ago at phi clinic, London. To be honest I haven't really seen any improvement. The nurse did say it would take 3 treatments and laser to get rid of these damn scars.

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Posted 24 August 2014 - 08:01 PM

I've had the second treatment for enerjet 2 weeks ago at phi clinic, London. To be honest I haven't really seen any improvement. The nurse did say it would take 3 treatments and laser to get rid of these damn scars.


Hi Limeyman,

Sorry about your skin woes. Just a few questions:

What type of scarring and skin texture did you have previously?
Did the plumping effect of the filler used make your skin plumper, nicer, more even?
How much improvement would you say you had?
Do you still have active acne? Did this procedure cause you to break out?


Thanks much!

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Posted 25 August 2014 - 02:47 AM

I have mainly boxcar and ice pick scars, some are deep and some are superficial, had my first treatment in July, and the second a month after. I've done tca cross and chemical peels before which really messed up my skin giving it a sort of orange peel texture and very discoloured. I think 2 weeks after the second improvement I'll put it at 10% better, though I can't really be sure. The nurse said my scars have improved but I'm not really seeing much. I have the odd pimple here and there, about one or two a month. I did get a singe pimple after the first treatment but none at after the second. The treatment did make my face plumper for about 4 days but after that it went back to normal. The pigmentation marks from the treatment is still there after two weeks but they are starting to fade.

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Posted 04 December 2014 - 09:37 AM

It would be really great to see the immediate aftermath to mentally prepare for it.  

 

I found this video on youtube, and the welts afterwards are very big.  I can imagine that you would look hideous immediately post op.  If one had to fly in for this procedure, it would be pretty embarrassing to have to walk through an airport looking like that LOL.

 

Austra asked a great question about the fullness in the cheeks after Airgent.  I've had fillers before for acne scars and they always seem to over-inject, giving a very bloated, full appearance to the cheeks.  It just looks odd.  I wonder if Airgent just spreads the filler so diffusely that after the swelling goes down, you will look normal and NOT like you had filler done.  I absolutely hate that overfilled look, which I've experienced in the past.  

 

No_Hope, did you find that you still looked normal and not "done" after all the swelling went down?  Exactly how many days does it really take to be fully presentable in public after swelling and redness has gone?

 

I wonder when someone will bring this to the US?  

HI therte.. im very new  here  .. just created an account  coz i saw your post on airgent...  im in canada  im gonna have  my scars assess  on dec 17th...  and im  hoping  the dr  recommends  airgent ..   my question  is,, does it work??  im a little nervous... i tried a lot of things... hope  airgent works  for me



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Posted 06 February 2015 - 09:10 PM

Hi everyone. Its been a long time since I've been on the org but the good news is I'm back. So to sum it all up enerjet won't cure box scars or ice picks or rolling scars but it can make them softer which improves the appearence which is the good part. Another good thing is it tones your skin well blending the scars with the surrounding skin which makes a huge difference. So is enerjet worth it? My answer is yes but like all treatments it has side effects which can be a downer. The side effect I experienced which I didn't like was the extra fullness my face had because of the filler. Its obvious when you smile. Besides that and the down time its pretty good. Like I said it won't cure your scars but it can improve them. I'll gladly answer any question's.

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Posted 07 February 2015 - 06:32 AM

I know it's been discussed, but wouldn't using sterile saline take care of that problem?  Perhaps to get the most out of the treatment you need a hyaluronic acid to act as a spacer to prevent the scars from reattaching.  



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Posted 07 February 2015 - 07:49 AM

I know it's been discussed, but wouldn't using sterile saline take care of that problem?  Perhaps to get the most out of the treatment you need a hyaluronic acid to act as a spacer to prevent the scars from reattaching.  


Sorry I don't follow take care of what problem? The fullness?

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Posted 21 February 2015 - 08:00 PM

Hi no hope, did u have your 3rd enerjet done? I'm surprised the subcision effects from enerjet didn't take care of your scars to a huge extent since u said u have very good results from the first 2. How much percent improvement did u have overall?

About the fullness it extra volume especially when u smile, how serious or obvious it is? If it's a healthy look kind of full, it will be good I think?

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Posted 23 February 2015 - 03:16 AM

Yes, I meant the fullness / bloated face that you talked about.  

 

 

I know it's been discussed, but wouldn't using sterile saline take care of that problem?  Perhaps to get the most out of the treatment you need a hyaluronic acid to act as a spacer to prevent the scars from reattaching.  


Sorry I don't follow take care of what problem? The fullness?


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Posted 23 February 2015 - 01:57 PM

Hi no hope, did u have your 3rd enerjet done? I'm surprised the subcision effects from enerjet didn't take care of your scars to a huge extent since u said u have very good results from the first 2. How much percent improvement did u have overall?

About the fullness it extra volume especially when u smile, how serious or obvious it is? If it's a healthy look kind of full, it will be good I think?

hey new haven, i have not gotten my 3rd enrjet treatment yet mainly because of the fullness issue. its arguable weather the fullnes is healthy or just strange looking. i feel like the fullness prevents me from smiling naturally meaning my smiles are mainly forced which is really uncofortable, i cant stand it, and i really wnana do something about it. i consulted with some plastic surgeons and they said removing fat from the cheeks is not ideal because its what creates a youthful look but they dont understand. i am starting toos suspect masseter hypertophy which indeed causes a fullness feeling and look and can be corrected with botox injections. i am gonna have a consult for this pretty soon.

 

its hard to gage the improvement percent wise but i can say it was a noticable improvement and enough to make me happier then how i was before. 



Yes, I meant the fullness / bloated face that you talked about.  

 

 

 

I know it's been discussed, but wouldn't using sterile saline take care of that problem?  Perhaps to get the most out of the treatment you need a hyaluronic acid to act as a spacer to prevent the scars from reattaching.  


Sorry I don't follow take care of what problem? The fullness?

i wouldnt know.. are you saying that sterile saline injected to my cheeks alone would take care of the fullness? i am starting to suspect masseter hypertrophy which is very commonly misdiagnosed because of its uniqueness. i



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Posted 23 February 2015 - 08:20 PM

Hi no hope, thanks for being here with us. It's quite hard to understand the feelings you are trying to describe to us. It seems like you are trying to say something is not good to you but we marvel at what you got, the fullness :)

I would gladly pay anything to get your fullness which I once lost due to insomnia. When my face (I'm not fat overall) used to be fatter, scars were not that noticeable which was very very good!

I'm trying to use an example. I can somehow empathize when you smile, it might be uncomfortable. But do you have the look of the joker (from batman) that when you smile, you will look funny? I'm also surprised that your filler last you so long! Another good thing!

You said you cannot give a percentage. It seems to me maybe the improvement isn't that great but you summed up by saying you couldn't be happier than before. Wow, it's actuslly good thing again.

I'm absolutely lost if I should go for enerjet. It's costly in my country. At least $1000 usd .... Not many reviews too. Your hope is our hope.

I went to google masseteric hypertrophy and I think I understand what you mean. However, how could it be possible that you got this from 2 enerjet injections?

Juverderm or HA are not permanent. Couldn't this be resolved naturally after the filling is gone? Unless the subcision by enerjet caused major growth in collagen for you that they filled up the fillers.

And I'm impressed n amazed again... It's so hard to understand but I envy you somewhat.

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Posted 24 February 2015 - 02:11 PM

Hi no hope, thanks for being here with us. It's quite hard to understand the feelings you are trying to describe to us. It seems like you are trying to say something is not good to you but we marvel at what you got, the fullness smile.png

I would gladly pay anything to get your fullness which I once lost due to insomnia. When my face (I'm not fat overall) used to be fatter, scars were not that noticeable which was very very good!

I'm trying to use an example. I can somehow empathize when you smile, it might be uncomfortable. But do you have the look of the joker (from batman) that when you smile, you will look funny? I'm also surprised that your filler last you so long! Another good thing!

You said you cannot give a percentage. It seems to me maybe the improvement isn't that great but you summed up by saying you couldn't be happier than before. Wow, it's actuslly good thing again.

I'm absolutely lost if I should go for enerjet. It's costly in my country. At least $1000 usd .... Not many reviews too. Your hope is our hope.

I went to google masseteric hypertrophy and I think I understand what you mean. However, how could it be possible that you got this from 2 enerjet injections?

Juverderm or HA are not permanent. Couldn't this be resolved naturally after the filling is gone? Unless the subcision by enerjet caused major growth in collagen for you that they filled up the fillers.

And I'm impressed n amazed again... It's so hard to understand but I envy you somewhat.

hey new haven. im glad my experience has influnced you in a good way. can you elaborate on the insomia making you loose volume in your face?? i dont see how that is possible. and if your looking for volume enrjet is perfect because it indeed gives you more volume. my right side which was the worse with ice picks and boxcars looked alittle bit caved in because the scars were bunched up together making it look like i had volume loss there. the extra volume plumped it up making it look less caved in which is the ONLY positive thing from the fullness i benefited from.

 

so imma break the fullnes down to you. i feel fullness in my face. the fullness is in 2 sections. the nasalfold area and the side which is the masseter muscle area. when i smile it looks like i have a bunch of fat in the nasal fold area which looks weird and people who know me for a long time noticed it without saying anything which angers me a bit. the side fullness is the masseter muscle. i think it was a combination of enrjet and radio frequency treatments that caused the masseter hypertrophy not just enerjet alone. also when i yawn the sides of my face stick out which is totally awkward and led me to research hypertrophy of the facial muscles. also when i chew alot or open mouth wide for big bites of food my jaw feels really tense and stiff which is a sign of masseter problems.

 

the fulness in my nasalfold i belive was due to the enerjet because i noticed it afterwards, apparently its been way too long for the filler to  stick around so im very confused why i styll have and feel the fullnes. the improvement was enough to pay the money for enerjet because the main fact is there was improvement which means alot because in the world of scarring its very hard to get improvement most of the time you end up looking worse not better so if i was you i would give it a try and see how you like it. what scars do you have and where are they located?



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Posted 24 February 2015 - 08:26 PM

Hi no hope, thanks again for having you here.

For my insomnia I too think it wasn't possible until it really happened. I compared my older photos (past 3 years) and indeed I looked plumper last time on the face. When u have insomnia for a long period of time and couldn't even take a nap for 4 days (yes not a nap in the afternoon despite night time brain totally active and also can't sleep), not only your whole body will become skinny but your face volume too. On the 5th day, I had to depend on drug to totally make my brain in a dizzy state so that the whole body could take a rest. Fortunately I had solved this issue after 2 years of trials and errors. It is indeed true what you eat will be reflected on your body. Mine is a rare case that whenever I take collagen supplements, be it pill or powder form, my brain will be in an excited state n will take few days for the effects to wear off. Speaking of uniqueness huh? I hate it when I'm unique in a bad way... This is no joke. I had to go and visit mental hospital just for the doctor to drug my brain. Even till now the doctor was not able to diagnose what's the issue. So long as I stop making my brain hyperactive with collagen, everything is back to normal.

But not everything unfortunately. My face volume has been lost and thus the scars look more prominent. I have enlarged pores due to retin a usage (another unique issue again where most people do not have this issue) it's those trial and error methods which make me extremely disappointed with the results.

My scars are mainly rolling ones on cheeks and temples. They look deep to me and I'm not joking. I will grade myself the moderate category (3rd grade in severity on the chart which people here normally use). However, after those treatments, nowadays when I use one finger to pull my skin slightly, the scars will even out to totally flat surface. Good? I'm not sure. Collagen loss, definitely.

I had 7 dermarolling sessions done by professional using 2 mm needles. Definitely bloody red each time. 2 Rf sublative sessions, and the most recent one fraxel repair 70mj but at 25% settings. Private medical center Doctor refused to use maximum settings at 70mj/60%. She said Caucasians' skin could take the maximum but not Asians. So I have to abide to her instructions as in my country, she's the only one with fraxel repair. Yes, our government skin centers don't even have this machine. All these treatments were done months apart for few years so definitely I let my skin rested enough before the next.

So I'm reaching 4th month after my repair. I will wait for 2 more months for the next treatment. At this point, I have exactly no idea which to go next. Repair has made my face red even till now. Red for 2 months, more of pinkish now. I hope in a month time my redness will totally resolve and return back to normal skin pigment.

Ya I have to agree with your last para. Usually for us, visual improvement is a sign of the real thing instead of marketing hype on many techniques (I'm not totally ruling out fraxel repair yet) the doctors can use scientific way of expressing, percentage way of describing and when it comes to the real thing, many fail to deliver. I believe in science but I believe more in actual results.

Thanks for describing in details about your feeling for enerjet. I will have a look at it and see more photos for comparison when I make the appointment with the doctor.

Hi no hope, is there really subcision through enerjet?

One thing I forgot to mention that 2 doctors refused to do subcision on me. They said my scars flatten when skin is stretched so there's nothing to subcide. I am lost ... again because I know subcision will definitely help in a big way. The people who posted photos here with subcision got good results. My scars are the same as theirs. The rolling types. I have no idea whether after some years of treatment, my box scars have mostly become rolling scars.


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