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This is another holistic approach, so it has its merits. It might work for some people, and not work for others. I would advice digestive enzymes instead of the tea. Why? Some teas, especially herbal, can actually raise histamines and thus increase IgE reactions. I cut out all teas and my skin improved. I even cut out rhoiboos tea to decrease my histamine releasers and that seems to help. I love my teas, but I needed to cut them out for now because they weren't helping me.

Aloe vera topically works great, but if you choose to drink it you must start with very small quantities because it may cause a purging reaction for those with digestive issues. Again, why not just take digestive enzymes instead? I fully trust enzymedica products, they are formulated without fillers and you can get samples from a sales rep to see if they work for you, and also find the right formula for your needs.

Cod liver oil: it has helped a lot of people, but not those who cannot digest oils. Same goes for fish oil, vitamin D, vitamin E, evening primrose, etc.

I think this girl's approach is similar to yours, even though she went with different teas and infusions. So yeah, it can work for some people and you need to be patient.


Current regimen: garlic supplements [as needed], Enzymedica gluten blocker [as needed], nicadan [not sure if it works yet]. I try to simplify as much as I can. Don't take more supplements than you need....try one at a time and be patient.

The supplements that really helped me when my acne was at its worst: inositol, DIM [not as frequently now!] digestive enzymes [don't need them every day anymore, only on cheat days], herpanacine & vitamin C with rose hips/ low acid [not every day], regular sun exposure for vitamin D3, superoxide dismutase (SOD) enzyme supplements. NOTE: I do not recommend DIM for long term use, and I do not recommend hormonal creams without doctor supervision.

Lifestyle & Skin Care: acupuncture, regular exercise/ yoga, low histamine diet, avoiding unnecessary stress, balancing skin's PH (using Image Ormedics), using distilled/ filtered water to wash face, occasional high frequency facials...

 

Grocery list:

 

** Find the cause, find the cure **

** If you have a question for me, please ask it publicly so that others can benefit from the discussion**

 

 


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Again our bodies are screaming out, literally through our skin, telling us there is a problem.

Yes you are right that acne does have a lot to do with genetics, but there is an underlying variable scientifically proven to turn this genetic susceptibility into a very real thing and that is our hormones.

I am here to say there is a way that that variable can be altered to change the resulting equation being acne.

It IS about listening to our bodies, finding the PROBLEM and fixing it.

I'm not talking about one specific hormone here too and I need you to know that.

Testosterone is one, excess estrogen for guys is another..

Cortisol and norepinephrine from stress is another and so on...

It can be cured, specifically by eating enough of the right foods that work with our specific blood group so that our bodies have the means by which it can balance all the hormones inside it effectively.

Please explain your opinion of acne and why my stuff is garbage because I am willing to listen.

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Yea his entire physiological explanation of why whatever he's doing works is just horrendous. The tea can't hurt you if you have it in moderation, so if you want to give it a shot, go for it.

But other than that, this really should be treated as spam.

It's one thing to post what has worked for you personally in the hopes of spreading your success; whether or not the stated science is correct when the intentions are good and it's not dangerous, it's usually fine. This is common on acne.org.

But this thread reads like an advertisement at the end of a magazine; zero credible information, plenty of hype and attempted slogans and catchphrases, and above all a statement that it will "change your life" and "guarantee clear skin". Who can claim this?!?! Literally no one with an IQ higher than that of a rock would say that something is "guaranteed" for everyone when it comes to acne. Acne is probably the most diverse affliction on earth in terms of how many different things can cause it; and to say that one thing can cure it, for everyone, and with no side effects demonstrates you should take what he says with a grain of salt.

Statements like this bother me because I see too many people that are extremely impressionable with ideas like this because of their frustrating skin, and their hopes soar and then plummet as they realize "cure" schemes like this are crap.

It's either a joke or he doesn't understand how things work.


People never cease to amaze me. Some with their brilliance, others with their ignorance. eusa_think.gif

Here's A Few Acne.org Threads Of Mine You May Find Useful/Interesting (updated 7/25/13)

-- DIY Apple Cider Vinegar Toner

-- How to Ice Inflammed or Picked at Cysts

-- Milk of Magnesia Uses

Other Threads Worth Looking At

-- Oily Skin Research Thread: This shows some of our previous efforts and explains the mechanisms behind oily skin.

-- My failed but enlightening experiment going the "less is more" route, aka "The Caveman Routine"


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Again our bodies are screaming out, literally through our skin, telling us there is a problem.

Yes you are right that acne does have a lot to do with genetics, but there is an underlying variable scientifically proven to turn this genetic susceptibility into a very real thing and that is our hormones.

I am here to say there is a way that that variable can be altered to change the resulting equation being acne.

It IS about listening to our bodies, finding the PROBLEM and fixing it.

I'm not talking about one specific hormone here too and I need you to know that.

Testosterone is one, excess estrogen for guys is another..

Cortisol and norepinephrine from stress is another and so on...

It can be cured, specifically by eating enough of the right foods that work with our specific blood group so that our bodies have the means by which it can balance all the hormones inside it effectively.

Please explain your opinion of acne and why my stuff is garbage because I am willing to listen.

I had severe acne for almost fifteen years. I NEVER had anything wrong with my hormones and was tested hundreds of times. I always ate healthy and for many, many years I was on diets so strict I basically ate exactly the same thing everyday (yams, carrots and a bit of fish) and it made absolutely no difference in my skin. It didn't matter what foods I avoided, it didn't matter how "regulated" my lifestyle was, it didn't matter how many teas/supplements and ancient healing remedies I tried nothing worked at all.

Have you ever heard of androgen sensitivity? Hyperkeratinization? follicular occlusion? these are the real causes of acne my friend and they are all genetic. Genetics are tough to change even with all the best efforts things may not work out.

Blood toxins are not a major factor in acne, the "pus" is only the infection from the blocked hair follicule being overloaded with sebum and unable to exfoliate creating an infection within the pore.

Also, almost all people with acne have normal circulating androgens and no hormonal imbalance.

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That means a lot AhhNe, thanks :)


The health of your blood is displayed and on show for everyone by your face.

Don't make half deals with 'Accutane' to thin out the dirty blood, because once the course is finished, acne will come racing back! Don't spend money and time treating it topically either.

Realize that it comes from the stuff flowing under your skin and how healthy it really is!

Get to the core of the problem, cleanse your blood and say goodbye to acne!


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Again our bodies are screaming out, literally through our skin, telling us there is a problem.

Yes you are right that acne does have a lot to do with genetics, but there is an underlying variable scientifically proven to turn this genetic susceptibility into a very real thing and that is our hormones.

I am here to say there is a way that that variable can be altered to change the resulting equation being acne.

It IS about listening to our bodies, finding the PROBLEM and fixing it.

I'm not talking about one specific hormone here too and I need you to know that.

Testosterone is one, excess estrogen for guys is another..

Cortisol and norepinephrine from stress is another and so on...

It can be cured, specifically by eating enough of the right foods that work with our specific blood group so that our bodies have the means by which it can balance all the hormones inside it effectively.

Please explain your opinion of acne and why my stuff is garbage because I am willing to listen.

I had severe acne for almost fifteen years. I NEVER had anything wrong with my hormones and was tested hundreds of times. I always ate healthy and for many, many years I was on diets so strict I basically ate exactly the same thing everyday (yams, carrots and a bit of fish) and it made absolutely no difference in my skin. It didn't matter what foods I avoided, it didn't matter how "regulated" my lifestyle was, it didn't matter how many teas/supplements and ancient healing remedies I tried nothing worked at all.

Have you ever heard of androgen sensitivity? Hyperkeratinization? follicular occlusion? these are the real causes of acne my friend and they are all genetic. Genetics are tough to change even with all the best efforts things may not work out.

Blood toxins are not a major factor in acne, the "pus" is only the infection from the blocked hair follicule being overloaded with sebum and unable to exfoliate creating an infection within the pore.

Also, almost all people with acne have normal circulating androgens and no hormonal imbalance.

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Again our bodies are screaming out, literally through our skin, telling us there is a problem.

Yes you are right that acne does have a lot to do with genetics, but there is an underlying variable scientifically proven to turn this genetic susceptibility into a very real thing and that is our hormones.

I am here to say there is a way that that variable can be altered to change the resulting equation being acne.

It IS about listening to our bodies, finding the PROBLEM and fixing it.

I'm not talking about one specific hormone here too and I need you to know that.

Testosterone is one, excess estrogen for guys is another..

Cortisol and norepinephrine from stress is another and so on...

It can be cured, specifically by eating enough of the right foods that work with our specific blood group so that our bodies have the means by which it can balance all the hormones inside it effectively.

Please explain your opinion of acne and why my stuff is garbage because I am willing to listen.

I had severe acne for almost fifteen years. I NEVER had anything wrong with my hormones and was tested hundreds of times. I always ate healthy and for many, many years I was on diets so strict I basically ate exactly the same thing everyday (yams, carrots and a bit of fish) and it made absolutely no difference in my skin. It didn't matter what foods I avoided, it didn't matter how "regulated" my lifestyle was, it didn't matter how many teas/supplements and ancient healing remedies I tried nothing worked at all.

Have you ever heard of androgen sensitivity? Hyperkeratinization? follicular occlusion? these are the real causes of acne my friend and they are all genetic. Genetics are tough to change even with all the best efforts things may not work out.

Blood toxins are not a major factor in acne, the "pus" is only the infection from the blocked hair follicule being overloaded with sebum and unable to exfoliate creating an infection within the pore.

Also, almost all people with acne have normal circulating androgens and no hormonal imbalance.

except teenagers like me. :(

Sigh

Oh well. Lol guys we should respect each other not call each other idiots. You or the other person may be right and we are here to learn. You guys should know how it feels to be judged.

Anyways, i respect your attemp to help. I'll see about the fenugreek tea. It may or may not help with acne but if IT IS healthy then, why not?

Thank you for taking your time to write these thread. It must took long lol.

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I really do hope the organic fairy comes to deliver these products tonight! I'm sure that my face (which is an organ according to your logic) isn't full of this thin blood you are talking about! I'd better drink a cup of tea to purify all the blood in my body!


be confident guys x


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"In mammals, the skin is the largest organ of the integumentary system made up of multiple layers of ectodermal tissue, and guards the underlying muscles, bones, ligaments and internal organs.[1]" - Wikipedia.

I hope the fairy comes to you as well. Oh it's not one cup of tea. It's many cups of fenugreek tea a day for a few weeks.

Consistency and patience is the key.

Accutane thins your blood so if you're not taking it, your blood isn't thin, just not purified and carrying the nutrients your face needs to heal.


The health of your blood is displayed and on show for everyone by your face.

Don't make half deals with 'Accutane' to thin out the dirty blood, because once the course is finished, acne will come racing back! Don't spend money and time treating it topically either.

Realize that it comes from the stuff flowing under your skin and how healthy it really is!

Get to the core of the problem, cleanse your blood and say goodbye to acne!


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"In mammals, the skin is the largest organ of the integumentary system made up of multiple layers of ectodermal tissue, and guards the underlying muscles, bones, ligaments and internal organs.[1]" - Wikipedia.

I hope the fairy comes to you as well. Oh it's not one cup of tea. It's many cups of fenugreek tea a day for a few weeks.

Consistency and patience is the key.

Accutane thins your blood so if you're not taking it, your blood isn't thin, just not purified and carrying the nutrients your face needs to heal.

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Welll; I started drinking this Fenugreek tea lots and lots for about five days now; and I'm completely clear already :) My whole back is clear as well as face and neck; so there's got to be some truth to his theories ;) have fun with your hate calling people idiots for supposed nonsense which works. 'Don't know it till you try it'

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Darkheart--

Why do you have so much animosity? I agree that this post is sensationalistic but his tone is optimistic and he is not selling a product. Perhaps he is guilty of instilling optimism and hope into impressionable young minds.

Your negativity is stressful. Your tone is righteous and bitter. There is a fair amount of "pseudo-science" that speaks of how the rationale effects mental health and therefore physical health. I understand why you have had severe acne for 15 years.

(Also, are you a doctor? Are you a dermatologist? Just because you've had severe acne for 15 years and can utilize the internet does not make you an expert. Your username is "darkheart." Keep treading in the same water and you will remain in the same water.)

PS: Sorry everyone for my response back but I could not resist! I really truly believe negativity and stress worsen acne and well-being!

PSS: Zefferson, I don't have acne (just an occasional hormonal cyst) but I do use aloe vera toner and I love it! I'm over in China right now but perhaps I'll pick up some Fenugreek tea if I can find it.

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Okay, I apologise for being so negative towards your ideas, it may work, but organic products are very ineffective for me. Sorry.


be confident guys x


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I would prefer the OP didn't speak in such a pseudo-authoritative tone. If he/she is a medical professional as they imply in their posts, they should be well aware that everyone's body is different and will thus react differently to different treatments.

I appreciate the OP offering his/her own personal solution, but speaking in absolutes only serves to make others feel an even greater sense of hopelessness when this 'cure' ends up not working for them.

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Tritonxiv:

I agree with you, mostly. His writing style has a spam-like feel, not unlike an informercial.

However, based on his investment in the post and detail of his responses, I believe he means well overall.

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My aloe spray came in the mail today. Sprayed it all over my face and within seconds my face was red (to the point it was almost purple), tight and stinging. It went down after a couple hours. I took a prednisone pill (which I was just prescribed for poison ivy) shortly after the redness happened, so it may have been what saved me. Do you think I'm allergic to the stuff or could this be normal? I've never applied aloe before but I've used hand soaps and sanitizers with aloe in it with no reaction. Part of me thinks it was just attacking the bacteria in my face. It dried it right out and a lot of zits flaked off.

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My aloe spray came in the mail today. Sprayed it all over my face and within seconds my face was red (to the point it was almost purple), tight and stinging. It went down after a couple hours. I took a prednisone pill (which I was just prescribed for poison ivy) shortly after the redness happened, so it may have been what saved me. Do you think I'm allergic to the stuff or could this be normal? I've never applied aloe before but I've used hand soaps and sanitizers with aloe in it with no reaction. Part of me thinks it was just attacking the bacteria in my face. It dried it right out and a lot of zits flaked off.

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Do you think I'm allergic to the stuff or could this be normal?

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Do you think I'm allergic to the stuff or could this be normal?

Hey Exister, this sounds like a definite auto-immune reaction (allergic). I reccomend you don't use it again as with most allergic reactions, they will be worse for each time you react; by the way the aloe vera doesn't kill bacteria it's merely a moisturizer.

On topic of this thread I would like to say that the OP makes some interesting assumptions and correlations. On the subject of diary products there are in fact studies that link the consumption of diary products to acne (link1, link2, and link3 for reference.) Also note that there are four main known causes of acne, namely:

1. Genetics (link for reference)

2. Psychological (AKA. stress: link1, and link2 for reference)

3. Infectious Acne (a contagious bacteria) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propionibacterium_acnes)

4. Diet (although there is least evidence of this cause) (link1, link2, and link3 for reference)

Now, knowing this we can then safely assume that OP's theory about tea being able to help everyone is obviously just not true unless it's some miracle tea proven in a proper case study. I appreciate tips and tricks just as much as the next guy, I'l give OP credit for taking time to do a little research before coming up with this, but he obviously didn't think of the bigger picture (that being that acne is not just caused by a bad diet). I encourage anyone thinking that diet is affecting their acne to try this out, otherwise try and find out what is causing your acne and treat it accordingly by doing some proper research.

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I definitely agree with taking cod liver oil, and not just for the purposes of acne prevention.

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i didn;t read it all if I am honest, but I caught your drift instantly. I am probably do exactly what you're saying, I don't use any of these bad chemical things, I have cut dairy and sugar of my diet, obviosly some sugar is needed however. And I still have acne.

I take supplements as well, vit c and zinc, primrose oil and probiotics for my bad digestion. Still acne.

It's all bullshit, it's your hormonal change, and you just have to wait till it goes away, with the help of a good skin routine.

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Zeffersons approach might or might not work, but one things for sure. A medical approach will get you nowhere.

A doctors approach to acne, is treating the symptoms not the cause ie. chemicals and antibiotics.

I was on antibiotics for about 4 years and i definitely paid the price. My acne got under control, but my body suffered. I am now off medications and my digestive system is fucked. I have bad acid reflux, and i am unable to gain weight.

I agree that hormones are a big factor when it comes to acne, but people who say that diet have no effect on acne have no clue and are probably just repeating what their doctor told them.

I am a living proof that diet is a major factor when it comes to acne. I only got my acne under control when i cut out dairy, gluten, and excessive sugar. Basically the Paleo Diet.

When people say they've tried EVERYTHING, i'll bet my money that most of them haven't even tried cutting out dairy, or giving up coffee.

And regarding the natural/unatural discussion about cows milk.

Yes humans need "human" milk when we are babies, but in no way is it natural for a fully grown human to drink the milk of a forced impregnated cow.

That's so irrational. Cutting out dairy was the one thing that helped me the most.

Ps. "Acne is hormonal and you just have to wait until it goes away" is just not correct.

There are people well into their 30's still struggling with acne. Try telling them that they just have to wait. Give it some time.

Also, a good skin care routine is great for some, but the thing i've learned from personal experience is the more i wash my face, the more acne i get.

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hey Zefferson, I wanna give this a try rolleyes.gif

I'm gonna buy Fenugreek seeds tomorrow

Can you please give me advice how to make Fenugreek tea out of Fenugreek seeds?

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Hey Zefferson, you replied to my "Aloe Vera" topic awhile ago and I have been using the Aloe Vera since then. My face has been more under control but still not doing so great. Still frustrated, I am looking for more I can do for my face and your topic here talking about how it's all about the blood is very convincing. I am going to purchase cod liver pills, fenugreek pills, aloe vera pills, and an aloe vera spray because my face gets very greasy through the day.

I am going to buy all these off of the walgreens website and am just very unsure about all the ingredients in them. I am never sure if they are as organic as I need them to be so I was hoping you could verify all these ingredients for me, I will supply the webpage to the product too. I will sincerely appreciate this if you can help me.

Cod Liver Pills:

http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/sundown-naturals-double-strength-natural-cod-liver-oil-with-dha/epa%2c-softgels/ID=prod6145767-product

Nutrition Facts Serving Size : 1 Softgel Amount Per Serving % Daily value* Total Fat 0.5 g 1% Cholesterol <0.5 g 1% Cod Liver Oil 800 mg DHA Omega 3 (Docosahexaenoic Acid) 52 mg EPA (Eicosapentaenoic Acid) 52 mg Vitamin A 2500 IU 50% Vitamin D 270 IU 68% Calories 10 Calories Calories From Fat 5 Calories

Fenugreek Pills:

http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/nature%27s-way-fenugreek-seed-dietary-supplement-610-mg-capsules/ID=prod6037615-product

Nutrition Facts Serving Size : 2 Capsules

Serving per Container : 90 Amount Per Serving % Daily value* Total Carbohydrate 1 g <1% Fenugreek 1.22 g

Aloe Vera Pills:

http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/botanic-choice-aloe-vera-500-mg-herbal-supplement-capsules/ID=prod6096620-product

Nutrition Facts Serving Size : 1 Capsule Amount Per Serving % Daily value* Cape Aloe Leaves Latex Powder 500 mg

Aloe Vera Spray:

http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/fruit-of-the-earth-aloe-vera-aloe-mist-100-pure-gel-continuous-spray/ID=prod6145151-product#descriptionNamedTab

Ingredients: Aloe Vera (Aloe Barbadensis) Gel , Polysorbate 20 , Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E) , Phenoxyethanol , Ethylparaben , Butylparaben , Methylparaben , Propylparaben , Carbomer , Tetrasodium EDTA , Triethanolamine

Thank you very much for anyones' help.

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Hey Zefferson, you replied to my "Aloe Vera" topic awhile ago and I have been using the Aloe Vera since then. My face has been more under control but still not doing so great. Still frustrated, I am looking for more I can do for my face and your topic here talking about how it's all about the blood is very convincing. I am going to purchase cod liver pills, fenugreek pills, aloe vera pills, and an aloe vera spray because my face gets very greasy through the day.

I am going to buy all these off of the walgreens website and am just very unsure about all the ingredients in them. I am never sure if they are as organic as I need them to be so I was hoping you could verify all these ingredients for me, I will supply the webpage to the product too. I will sincerely appreciate this if you can help me.

Cod Liver Pills:

http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/sundown-naturals-double-strength-natural-cod-liver-oil-with-dha/epa%2c-softgels/ID=prod6145767-product

Nutrition Facts Serving Size : 1 Softgel Amount Per Serving % Daily value* Total Fat 0.5 g 1% Cholesterol <0.5 g 1% Cod Liver Oil 800 mg DHA Omega 3 (Docosahexaenoic Acid) 52 mg EPA (Eicosapentaenoic Acid) 52 mg Vitamin A 2500 IU 50% Vitamin D 270 IU 68% Calories 10 Calories Calories From Fat 5 Calories

Fenugreek Pills:

http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/nature%27s-way-fenugreek-seed-dietary-supplement-610-mg-capsules/ID=prod6037615-product

Nutrition Facts Serving Size : 2 Capsules

Serving per Container : 90 Amount Per Serving % Daily value* Total Carbohydrate 1 g <1% Fenugreek 1.22 g

Aloe Vera Pills:

http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/botanic-choice-aloe-vera-500-mg-herbal-supplement-capsules/ID=prod6096620-product

Nutrition Facts Serving Size : 1 Capsule Amount Per Serving % Daily value* Cape Aloe Leaves Latex Powder 500 mg

Aloe Vera Spray:

http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/fruit-of-the-earth-aloe-vera-aloe-mist-100-pure-gel-continuous-spray/ID=prod6145151-product#descriptionNamedTab

Ingredients: Aloe Vera (Aloe Barbadensis) Gel , Polysorbate 20 , Tocopheryl Acetate (Vitamin E) , Phenoxyethanol , Ethylparaben , Butylparaben , Methylparaben , Propylparaben , Carbomer , Tetrasodium EDTA , Triethanolamine

Thank you very much for anyones' help.


x x Stephanie


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