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#1 outofoptions

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Posted 06 July 2013 - 04:43 PM

So, I spent 5 years going the holistic route trying to clear my skin. Did it all: Paleo, Super low/no carb, gut diet, vegetarian, you name it I tried it. Nothing ever got me clear, until the last few months.

I moved to NYC a few months ago for a new job. The job is quite stressful, I don't sleep enough, eat lots of crap, but am clear. This goes against everything I have been doing for years. I got to thinking what might be the cause of this. The only change is that I haven't been watching my diet, and go to the gym less frequently.

I had always been eating a minimum of 1g/lb Bw in protein, and going to the gym 5-6 days/week. Now I eat anywhere between 80-140g of protein/day (weigh 185lb), and go to the gym every other day. I decided to test this out and see if it really was the cause, so I went to the gym 5 days straight, ate my normal higher protein diet, and sure enough my skin went to hell. I dont know if it just jacks my cortisol levels up too much causing inflamation. When I went back to eating normal amounts of protein and exercising less my skin cleared back up.

I understand that this won't be the solution for everyone (possibly anyone), but I want to point out that this you think are healthy might be the cause of your acne. My diet is actually pitiful right now. Lots of bread, cheese, ice cream, pasta, pizza, candy, etc. After years of not eating any of that stuff out of fear of breaking out, I've sort of gotten a little out of control, and am working to get my diet back in check. I do know peanut butter definitely breaks me out though, which sucks because I love it.

That's the end of my rant. Hopefully this is of some use to someone, in some way. I'm not encouraging eating garbage, but I realized at the end of the day eating perfect never really did anything for my skin. Good luck to everyone. I dealt with moderate/severe acne for over 10 years, and understand the pain.

Edited by outofoptions, 06 July 2013 - 04:48 PM.


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 09:01 AM

My diet isn't the greatest but I do spend a lot of time exercising...maybe 2-3 hours a day 6 days per week. Maybe that is my problem!?! Will need to test this one. :)



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Posted 09 July 2013 - 11:56 AM

My diet isn't the greatest but I do spend a lot of time exercising...maybe 2-3 hours a day 6 days per week. Maybe that is my problem!?! Will need to test this one. smile.png

 
 
Depends on what you mean by exercising.  You should move around as much as possible all day everyday.   But extreme exertions should be short and occasional activities. Also, hour long workouts several times per week don't really make up for sedentary lifestyles and daily habits of avoiding walking, stairs and physical chores.
 
Also, regarding the OP's post.  Too much protein isn't a perfect diet.  And working out too much isn't healthy either.  So this statement 'eating perfect never really did anything for my skin' isn't a valid point.
 
There are reasons professional athletes' careers are short and it isn't only that older people can't compete with the younger ones. It's also that the older ones have worn out their bodies at a pretty early age. They are not healthy.

Edited by alternativista, 23 July 2013 - 06:45 AM.

Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!

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Posted 09 July 2013 - 03:07 PM

My diet isn't the greatest but I do spend a lot of time exercising...maybe 2-3 hours a day 6 days per week. Maybe that is my problem!?! Will need to test this one. smile.png

 

 

Depends on what you mean by exercising.  You should move around as much as possible all day everyday.   But extreme exertions should be short and occasional activities. Also, hour long workouts several times per day don't really make up for sedentary lifestyles and daily habits of avoiding walking, stairs and physical chores.

 

Also, regarding the OP's post.  Too much protein isn't a perfect diet.  And working out too much isn't healthy either.  So this statement 'eating perfect never really did anything for my skin' isn't a valid point.

 

There's are reasons professional athletes' careers are short and it isn't only that older people can't compete with the younger ones. It's also that the older ones have worn out their bodies at a pretty early age.

Today I went for a jog, practiced resistance/core training for about an hour (very intense), and will be going to a spinning class tonight (I sweat like crazy in this class), Tomorrow morning, taking another spinning class and teaching and taking high intensity classes in the evening.  I usually do weight training 3x per week, jogging twice a week, spinning 3-4x's a week, and core training every other day. I have upped my workouts and have been breaking out in places I have never broken out before which is why I am thinking maybe I am exercising too much.  I usually break out in cysts (very small but painful ones) but now I'm getting non cystic acne which I have never gotten before. :(



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Posted 09 July 2013 - 04:20 PM

I will trade some acne for a hard and strong body every time. 


Edited by CBIOT13, 09 July 2013 - 04:21 PM.

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Here's A Few Acne.org Threads Of Mine You May Find Useful/Interesting (updated 7/25/13)

-- DIY Apple Cider Vinegar Toner http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/324606-flakydryoily-skin-try-this/

-- How to Ice Inflammed or Picked at Cysts http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/327532-acne-redness-removal-trick/

-- Milk of Magnesia Uses http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/329385-ways-to-use-milk-of-magnesia-for-oily-skin/

Other Threads Worth Looking At

-- Oily Skin Research Thread: This shows some of our previous efforts and explains the mechanisms behind oily skin.

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/326345-oily-skin-research/

-- My failed but enlightening experiment going the "less is more" route, aka "The Caveman Routine"

http://www.acne.org/messageboard/topic/327898-a-minimalist-approach-for-oily-skin/

 

 

 


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 04:33 PM

I used to train very hard (i.e. powerlifting, bodybuilding routines) every other day of the week, rarely did any cardio and tried to eat around 4000 calories a day including around 1.5 grams of protein per lb of bodyweight. Actually had to force myself to work up to that level over many, many months and during that period of time, my acne was some of the worst it ever was. Though I owe this to a ton of different factors, downing a huge amount of ANYTHING is probably not the best of ideas. The OP speaks the truth!

 

After I dropped that diet (but still worked out pretty hard), my acne issue got much better and I haven't had much of a problem since then. I still try to eat 2500 - 3000 calories a day and get 1 - 1.25 grams of protein. I guess now that my body became used to that 1.5 - 2 grams per lb, 1 - 1.25 isn't so much and doesn't cause as much of a problem! Over my 9-10 year battle with acne, one of the main lessons I've learned is that moderation is key in many ways.

 

Btw, if anyone is up for reading about workout recovery, micronutrients, macronutrients, etc., here's an oldie but goodie article. Though it's on a "bodybuilding" site, I think it applies to most types of people. Best wishes! http://www.t-nation....ery_battlefield


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Posted 09 July 2013 - 04:43 PM

 

My diet isn't the greatest but I do spend a lot of time exercising...maybe 2-3 hours a day 6 days per week. Maybe that is my problem!?! Will need to test this one. smile.png

 

 

Depends on what you mean by exercising.  You should move around as much as possible all day everyday.   But extreme exertions should be short and occasional activities. Also, hour long workouts several times per day don't really make up for sedentary lifestyles and daily habits of avoiding walking, stairs and physical chores.

 

Also, regarding the OP's post.  Too much protein isn't a perfect diet.  And working out too much isn't healthy either.  So this statement 'eating perfect never really did anything for my skin' isn't a valid point.

 

There's are reasons professional athletes' careers are short and it isn't only that older people can't compete with the younger ones. It's also that the older ones have worn out their bodies at a pretty early age.

Today I went for a jog, practiced resistance/core training for about an hour (very intense), and will be going to a spinning class tonight (I sweat like crazy in this class), Tomorrow morning, taking another spinning class and teaching and taking high intensity classes in the evening.  I usually do weight training 3x per week, jogging twice a week, spinning 3-4x's a week, and core training every other day. I have upped my workouts and have been breaking out in places I have never broken out before which is why I am thinking maybe I am exercising too much.  I usually break out in cysts (very small but painful ones) but now I'm getting non cystic acne which I have never gotten before. sad.png

 

Yes, that would be too much.  Visit Mark's Daily Apple blog and read the posts and research about Chronic Cardio like these: http://www.marksdail...#axzz2YamrKTwc, http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-evidence-continues-to-mount-against-chronic-cardio/#axzz2YamrKTwc.  And this one: http://www.marksdailyapple.com/the-characteristics-of-hunter-gatherer-fitness/#axzz2YajijqsS  About the kind of activity we evolved doing and our systems are designed to fuel.


Edited by alternativista, 09 July 2013 - 05:06 PM.

Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!

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Posted 10 July 2013 - 10:23 AM

high protein raises igf-1, that can make acne worse.


#1.critical nutritional issues- b12(three forms exist), Calcium(yogurt, cheese or calcium phosphate supps) and vitamin d(sun or supps not to exceed 1000 iu). heme iron-most absorbable from meat only, clams are high. these are the most difficult vitamins to get and absorb. All others or about the same in difficulty in absorption. MAgnesium in our food supply is generally low as well, try natural calm supps.
#2 Fats- monounsaturated should dominate(olives), followed by polyunsaturated plant sources(nuts) but not if you have acne. the health benefits of fish oil and fish are controversial and i dont consume them due to mercury contamination and immune supression avoid processed fats if possible.
#3 Protein/amino acids- dairy and eggs best sources for tryptophan and methionine which convert to powerful antioxidants melatonin and glutathione.
#4 Carotenoids- alpha- beta carotene, beta cryptoxanthin, lutein zeaxanthin, astaxanthin. these are vital to human nutrition, carrots, butternut squash, pumpkin, chili pepper and cayenne pepper are the best sources.
#5 Regularity-BM at least once a day, Moist, large stools, 1 piece ideal, no maldigestion, no floating stools indicative of maldigested fat. HOW- insoluble fiber- wheat and cooked vegetables. soluble fiber-oats/ good bacteria ferment soluble fiber making short chain fatty acids that inhibit pathogens.
#6 Circadian cycles-Light, get up with the sun, and expose your entire body to it. darkness-melatonin is released upon the sensing of absolute darkness. sleep in a pitch black room, try to ensure 10 hours total darkness, wear sunglasses before bed. do not eat too late at night.
#7 Desirable physiological states(positive moods/emotions) do precisely what you like and what feels good to you, but not regardless of consequences, just from a perspective that, you own your life, and can determine precisely what you do with it and need not answer or ask of permission from anyone,achieving maximum autonomy and self government.

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Posted 11 July 2013 - 02:15 AM

I'm having the exact same trouble. I've thought for a while now that exercise is the culprit, but I couldn't possibly give up my cardio or rowing; I feel so good afterwards. I'm now down to two sessions a week, so we'll see. 



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Posted 12 July 2013 - 05:19 AM

Training every single day doesn't even make sense from a strength standpoint. Without rest you won't grow. I remember going through a fitness phase like that and it wasn't just acne, my face was pale and completely drained of life. I was convinced I was doing everything I could for my body, but that wasn't true because I wasn't using my brain.

 

It does feel good while you're doing it though, but so do a lot of things. Glad you found something that works.


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Posted 21 July 2013 - 05:07 PM

There is a very strong theory that water retention (also called edema) causes acne, there have been studies of facial edema and acne vulgaris being strongly linked. http://scholar.googl...dt=0,5&as_vis=1

You can read more about it here www.freeacnebook.com It's just a diet so you don't have to buy anything because there is nothing to buy.

 

In a nutshell

Protein that has been cooked causes damaged protein which is absorbed into the blood and ends up in the skin. Damaged Protein is water soluble and causes water retention in the skin. When the skin is full of water the pores get blocked and trap sebum canals, the result is a slow release and buildup of sebum hardening and causing skin inflammations. Sebum canals production rates are different in other people so that's why some people don't get acne and some do, but mostly all have water retention.