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Posted 29 June 2013 - 09:47 PM

I have been thinking if I am going to try anything else, I may shell out the money for PRP or selphyl.  If I knew of a good Chinese practitioner around me that might cup or vacuum my scars maybe I would try it, but I don't really think it will work. I have massaged my scars quite a bit, and continue too every now and then. I do believe massage can help. What is weird about my scarring is there is a circle of raised or thickened scar tissue around my depressions (not really raised off my face, but raised enough to see the scar tissue line) and I'm not sure if it was made worse by the fillers I had, like the little silicone I had, but really I think that is just how my face scars. When I do the TCA peel it burns it off initially and looks better, but then it's like it does have a memory and just grows back. I was hoping through doing some silicone straight to the center of the scars it would create the same thickened tissue and the spot would look an even level, but it didn't work. In the mornings there is more inflammation surrounding my scars from having my head down at night. I wonder sometimes if I should try some product that is really good at reducing inflammation besides hydrocortisone because that thins the skin. I don't know if this all makes sense, but sometimes I just feel my scarring is not normal.



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Posted 30 June 2013 - 12:40 AM

Hi Panos,

Being a vegan has nothing to do with having parasites. I don't eat meat/ eggs/ dairy because I love animals...and I discovered my skin healed as a result of my healthy vegan mostly raw & organic eating habits.... tea tree oil/ sea salt & lavender oil were also key to recovering from acne.

I think the herbalist is a meat eater so he is biased in his views about vegans. Instead I think there are loads of parasites / worms in meat/ dairy/ eggs but not vegetables/ fruits etc....

Cheers smile.png



Hi Tricia,
 

I think injecting your face with silicon is very harmful.  Is there any way you can take it out of your body/ scars?

Also, how can your scars heal if there's an artificial substance in them blocking your collagen? And the inflammation is most probably due to the silicon. I think you need to see a specialist which can help take out the silicon. That would be the first thing you need to do IMHO. And as for cortisone, that is sooooo bad for your skin & body long term. You have got to stop using that ASAP. Please see a naturopath or Chinese medicine specialist for more holistic healing advice.

I'm sure your body can heal its scars naturally if you give it good nutrition/ mesotherapy & ensure you have no toxins in your body or on your skin.

Cheers smile.png

PS What are PRP or selphy?

PPS If you want fillers, you should only get the ones that use a natural substance that dissipates naturally with time i.e. either your own body fat or hyaluronic acid i.e. restylene etc

PPPS TCA won't rebuild your skin tissue....your body needs to harness its own natural wound healing response to rebuild collagen/ skin tissue naturally. And your skin needs lots of vitamin c to do this...please try applying fresh lemon juice to your skin daily. Preferably after skin needling. You can also add retin a on top every 3 or 4 days to help your skin remodel. Also, supergreen powder (with chlorella/ spirulina/ wheat/ grass) is jammed with minerals/ EFAs/ vitamins your skin needs to heal. Mix it with manuka honey (10 + factor) and fresh lemon juice for a nourishing therapeutic skin mask. Use it 3 or 4 times per week for an hour. It should really help your skin. I use Synergy Natural Supergreen powder but there are other brands too. You could also look into taking beta glucan capsules and applying it to your skin. This is very beneficial to healing & improving your immune system (so too glutathione). B3 niacinamide is also vital for healing damaged skin.

 


Edited by aquasea, 30 June 2013 - 12:53 AM.


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Posted 30 June 2013 - 08:04 AM

He is not a meat eater Aqua sea. He claims meat CANT be digested by the hyman body.

Too much vegetables will result in parasite build up.

According to him,always, only sweet fruits from the trees are made for human body to digest.

Fruits will clean your blood .For him,a 40 days orange juice fast will give you new skin .A 21 days OJ fast gives new heart.

And a 14 days OJ fast gives 5x red blood cells. Just passing claims.


Edited by panos, 30 June 2013 - 08:05 AM.


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Posted 30 June 2013 - 11:19 AM

I agree cortisone is bad and thins skin, so I haven't used it in years. The thing about my scars is they were very inflamed to begin with, even before the microdroplet silicone I had. But since I see no results in the middle of my scars I wonder where the stuff went, and if it perhaps went to the outer edges, where there is too much collagen buildup, thus creating thicker scars. Silicone makes your body build collagen around it, it doesn't inhibit collagen.

 

Selplyl is where they take your blood and put in into a centrifuge machines, spin it, creating more fibroblasts and inject it into your skin. I have heard it can help, but it doesn't stay like a filler, it spreads out and just is suppose to bring healthier skin.

 

The fractora machine seems new out, I have read some good reviews through research now, but also it looks a lot like thermage, with the RF heating. Just wondering if I would lose fat. My skin is definitely starting to need tightening though at 38.

Hi Panos,

Being a vegan has nothing to do with having parasites. I don't eat meat/ eggs/ dairy because I love animals...and I discovered my skin healed as a result of my healthy vegan mostly raw & organic eating habits.... tea tree oil/ sea salt & lavender oil were also key to recovering from acne.

I think the herbalist is a meat eater so he is biased in his views about vegans. Instead I think there are loads of parasites / worms in meat/ dairy/ eggs but not vegetables/ fruits etc....

Cheers smile.png



Hi Tricia,
 

I think injecting your face with silicon is very harmful.  Is there any way you can take it out of your body/ scars?

Also, how can your scars heal if there's an artificial substance in them blocking your collagen? And the inflammation is most probably due to the silicon. I think you need to see a specialist which can help take out the silicon. That would be the first thing you need to do IMHO. And as for cortisone, that is sooooo bad for your skin & body long term. You have got to stop using that ASAP. Please see a naturopath or Chinese medicine specialist for more holistic healing advice.

I'm sure your body can heal its scars naturally if you give it good nutrition/ mesotherapy & ensure you have no toxins in your body or on your skin.

Cheers smile.png

PS What are PRP or selphy?

PPS If you want fillers, you should only get the ones that use a natural substance that dissipates naturally with time i.e. either your own body fat or hyaluronic acid i.e. restylene etc

PPPS TCA won't rebuild your skin tissue....your body needs to harness its own natural wound healing response to rebuild collagen/ skin tissue naturally. And your skin needs lots of vitamin c to do this...please try applying fresh lemon juice to your skin daily. Preferably after skin needling. You can also add retin a on top every 3 or 4 days to help your skin remodel. Also, supergreen powder (with chlorella/ spirulina/ wheat/ grass) is jammed with minerals/ EFAs/ vitamins your skin needs to heal. Mix it with manuka honey (10 + factor) and fresh lemon juice for a nourishing therapeutic skin mask. Use it 3 or 4 times per week for an hour. It should really help your skin. I use Synergy Natural Supergreen powder but there are other brands too. You could also look into taking beta glucan capsules and applying it to your skin. This is very beneficial to healing & improving your immune system (so too glutathione). B3 niacinamide is also vital for healing damaged skin.

 



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Posted 30 June 2013 - 02:19 PM

I agree cortisone is bad and thins skin, so I haven't used it in years. The thing about my scars is they were very inflamed to begin with, even before the microdroplet silicone I had. But since I see no results in the middle of my scars I wonder where the stuff went, and if it perhaps went to the outer edges, where there is too much collagen buildup, thus creating thicker scars. Silicone makes your body build collagen around it, it doesn't inhibit collagen.

 

Selplyl is where they take your blood and put in into a centrifuge machines, spin it, creating more fibroblasts and inject it into your skin. I have heard it can help, but it doesn't stay like a filler, it spreads out and just is suppose to bring healthier skin.

 

The fractora machine seems new out, I have read some good reviews through research now, but also it looks a lot like thermage, with the RF heating. Just wondering if I would lose fat. My skin is definitely starting to need tightening though at 38.

Hi Panos,

Being a vegan has nothing to do with having parasites. I don't eat meat/ eggs/ dairy because I love animals...and I discovered my skin healed as a result of my healthy vegan mostly raw & organic eating habits.... tea tree oil/ sea salt & lavender oil were also key to recovering from acne.

I think the herbalist is a meat eater so he is biased in his views about vegans. Instead I think there are loads of parasites / worms in meat/ dairy/ eggs but not vegetables/ fruits etc....

Cheers smile.png



Hi Tricia,
 

I think injecting your face with silicon is very harmful.  Is there any way you can take it out of your body/ scars?

Also, how can your scars heal if there's an artificial substance in them blocking your collagen? And the inflammation is most probably due to the silicon. I think you need to see a specialist which can help take out the silicon. That would be the first thing you need to do IMHO. And as for cortisone, that is sooooo bad for your skin & body long term. You have got to stop using that ASAP. Please see a naturopath or Chinese medicine specialist for more holistic healing advice.

I'm sure your body can heal its scars naturally if you give it good nutrition/ mesotherapy & ensure you have no toxins in your body or on your skin.

Cheers smile.png

PS What are PRP or selphy?

PPS If you want fillers, you should only get the ones that use a natural substance that dissipates naturally with time i.e. either your own body fat or hyaluronic acid i.e. restylene etc

PPPS TCA won't rebuild your skin tissue....your body needs to harness its own natural wound healing response to rebuild collagen/ skin tissue naturally. And your skin needs lots of vitamin c to do this...please try applying fresh lemon juice to your skin daily. Preferably after skin needling. You can also add retin a on top every 3 or 4 days to help your skin remodel. Also, supergreen powder (with chlorella/ spirulina/ wheat/ grass) is jammed with minerals/ EFAs/ vitamins your skin needs to heal. Mix it with manuka honey (10 + factor) and fresh lemon juice for a nourishing therapeutic skin mask. Use it 3 or 4 times per week for an hour. It should really help your skin. I use Synergy Natural Supergreen powder but there are other brands too. You could also look into taking beta glucan capsules and applying it to your skin. This is very beneficial to healing & improving your immune system (so too glutathione). B3 niacinamide is also vital for healing damaged skin

 

im looking in too fractora also. what does thermage  and fractora have in common besides the heating?



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Posted 30 June 2013 - 02:39 PM

Well, I see that there are different types of fractora  out there and some are actually for getting rid of fat in the chin. I am guessing if they penetrate deeper it will melt fat. Thermage was used on the face and caused a lot of people to lose fat. So, if for some reason the rf heat gets too deep into your face or something goes wrong you could lose fat in your face. I did read one review of a lady who had in on her lids and under eyes and afterwards they were worse with looser skin. Obviously the fat was lost there. I would never let it get near my eyes since skin is thinner. The good thing is the heat misses more of the top part of your skin so there is less downtime. Unfortuntately, I would have to travel 4 hours to get this done, but I will probably be moving with  my military husband again at the end of August, so would be closer later.



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Posted 30 June 2013 - 02:57 PM

No_Hope, I confess I have not read through this thread, but responding to your original post I believe your doctor is a negative ninny and full of poop.  Fraxel Re:pair done at high mj settings has proven itself.  It is the only thing that has ever worked for me.  The biggest waste of money would be anybody seeking help that would waste their time and pay his fee.  How many people who could have been helped have taken his advice?

 

P.S. If you don't go strong then just stay home.  Minimum mj = minimum results.  It is as simple as that.


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Posted 30 June 2013 - 04:10 PM

Well, I see that there are different types of fractora  out there and some are actually for getting rid of fat in the chin. I am guessing if they penetrate deeper it will melt fat. Thermage was used on the face and caused a lot of people to lose fat. So, if for some reason the rf heat gets too deep into your face or something goes wrong you could lose fat in your face. I did read one review of a lady who had in on her lids and under eyes and afterwards they were worse with looser skin. Obviously the fat was lost there. I would never let it get near my eyes since skin is thinner. The good thing is the heat misses more of the top part of your skin so there is less downtime. Unfortuntately, I would have to travel 4 hours to get this done, but I will probably be moving with  my military husband again at the end of August, so would be closer later.

ya i read on the fat loss . since fractora is adjustable i assume this problem can be avoided. my scarring is on my upper cheeks so i dont think i would be at risk of loosing fat there no? one thing i am really confused about is fractora is almost identical to intracel which is also RF microneedling. unless there the same method just different name i reallly wanna know whats the difference and which one is more effective on deep acne scarring. also i dont think 1mm penetration is deep enough for the deep scars. what do you think?



No_Hope, I confess I have not read through this thread, but responding to your original post I believe your doctor is a negative ninny and full of poop.  Fraxel Re:pair done at high mj settings has proven itself.  It is the only thing that has ever worked for me.  The biggest waste of money would be anybody seeking help that would waste their time and pay his fee.  How many people who could have been helped have taken his advice?

 

P.S. If you don't go strong then just stay home.  Minimum mj = minimum results.  It is as simple as that.

im glad laser worked for you dudley. you have to remmeber at the end of the day everyone has different skin types. laser is suited more for people with light skin. im hispanic i wouldnt be a candidate for fraxel restore or repair. also with all the side effects and the overpriced cost  its just not worth it in the end with some people. the ratio to people having succuess and people not having successs, the non successs is much greater.



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Posted 30 June 2013 - 05:08 PM

no_hope, your point about darker skin types is well taken.  I do get a little testy about all the people who say it doesn't work when I know it does.  I ignore any comments about results that use the lower settings, and that is where you hear the dissatisfaction.  I don't know how many times I have to say the same thing.  If you go into Re:pair doing 30-40mj you might as well do nothing.  You will not see results!  Unless you crank it up to 60-70mj there is no purpose in posting your results.  I have also said over and over again that Re:pair is a cumulative process.  CollegBoy understands this, I don't know why others can't grasp the concept.  YOU WILL NOT GET THE RESULTS YOU WANT AFTER ONE RE:PAIR.  There are no "ONE AND DONE TREATMENTS", and people are just silly for thinking there is.



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Posted 30 June 2013 - 05:53 PM

I was trying to remember the name of the other device, you are right it is very similar to intracel.  I talked with someone else on here that we getting intracel treatments, and they were happy with repeated treatment. I'm not sure how many side effects will be seen after more people get it done. It is less downtime with very similar results to stronger lasers when a doctor uses strong settings. You can just get the heating without the needling and that will tighten the skin, but the needling will penetrate the heat deeper to where the scars are. I don't know how deep the needles go, but there are various settings. I would just start with a spot treatment if possible. You want to see if it goes well. The cost is definitely more affordable with fractora.

Well, I see that there are different types of fractora  out there and some are actually for getting rid of fat in the chin. I am guessing if they penetrate deeper it will melt fat. Thermage was used on the face and caused a lot of people to lose fat. So, if for some reason the rf heat gets too deep into your face or something goes wrong you could lose fat in your face. I did read one review of a lady who had in on her lids and under eyes and afterwards they were worse with looser skin. Obviously the fat was lost there. I would never let it get near my eyes since skin is thinner. The good thing is the heat misses more of the top part of your skin so there is less downtime. Unfortuntately, I would have to travel 4 hours to get this done, but I will probably be moving with  my military husband again at the end of August, so would be closer later.

ya i read on the fat loss . since fractora is adjustable i assume this problem can be avoided. my scarring is on my upper cheeks so i dont think i would be at risk of loosing fat there no? one thing i am really confused about is fractora is almost identical to intracel which is also RF microneedling. unless there the same method just different name i reallly wanna know whats the difference and which one is more effective on deep acne scarring. also i dont think 1mm penetration is deep enough for the deep scars. what do you think?



>No_Hope, I confess I have not read through this thread, but responding to your original post I believe your doctor is a negative ninny and full of poop.  Fraxel Re:pair done at high mj settings has proven itself.  It is the only thing that has ever worked for me.  The biggest waste of money would be anybody seeking help that would waste their time and pay his fee.  How many people who could have been helped have taken his advice?

 

P.S. If you don't go strong then just stay home.  Minimum mj = minimum results.  It is as simple as that.

im glad laser worked for you dudley. you have to remmeber at the end of the day everyone has different skin types. laser is suited more for people with light skin. im hispanic i wouldnt be a candidate for fraxel restore or repair. also with all the side effects and the overpriced cost  its just not worth it in the end with some people. the ratio to people having succuess and people not having successs, the non successs is much greater.

 



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Posted 30 June 2013 - 06:22 PM

I was trying to remember the name of the other device, you are right it is very similar to intracel.  I talked with someone else on here that we getting intracel treatments, and they were happy with repeated treatment. I'm not sure how many side effects will be seen after more people get it done. It is less downtime with very similar results to stronger lasers when a doctor uses strong settings. You can just get the heating without the needling and that will tighten the skin, but the needling will penetrate the heat deeper to where the scars are. I don't know how deep the needles go, but there are various settings. I would just start with a spot treatment if possible. You want to see if it goes well. The cost is definitely more affordable with fractora.

 

Well, I see that there are different types of fractora  out there and some are actually for getting rid of fat in the chin. I am guessing if they penetrate deeper it will melt fat. Thermage was used on the face and caused a lot of people to lose fat. So, if for some reason the rf heat gets too deep into your face or something goes wrong you could lose fat in your face. I did read one review of a lady who had in on her lids and under eyes and afterwards they were worse with looser skin. Obviously the fat was lost there. I would never let it get near my eyes since skin is thinner. The good thing is the heat misses more of the top part of your skin so there is less downtime. Unfortuntately, I would have to travel 4 hours to get this done, but I will probably be moving with  my military husband again at the end of August, so would be closer later.

ya i read on the fat loss . since fractora is adjustable i assume this problem can be avoided. my scarring is on my upper cheeks so i dont think i would be at risk of loosing fat there no? one thing i am really confused about is fractora is almost identical to intracel which is also RF microneedling. unless there the same method just different name i reallly wanna know whats the difference and which one is more effective on deep acne scarring. also i dont think 1mm penetration is deep enough for the deep scars. what do you think?



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>No_Hope, I confess I have not read through this thread, but responding to your original post I believe your doctor is a negative ninny and full of poop.  Fraxel Re:pair done at high mj settings has proven itself.  It is the only thing that has ever worked for me.  The biggest waste of money would be anybody seeking help that would waste their time and pay his fee.  How many people who could have been helped have taken his advice?

 

P.S. If you don't go strong then just stay home.  Minimum mj = minimum results.  It is as simpl

e as that.

im glad laser worked for you dudley. you have to remmeber at the end of the day everyone has different skin types. laser is suited more for people with light skin. im hispanic i wouldnt be a candidate for fraxel restore or repair. also with all the side effects and the overpriced cost  its just not worth it in the end with some people. the ratio to people having succuess and people not having successs, the non successs is much greater.

 

ya since i only want my upper cheeks done it is more affordable. thats my main concern is the side effects. since it is pretty new no one knows if there are any long term or short torm bad side effects. the fact that you have to avoid the sun already sux because its hard to do so when its sunny all the time. they have intracel and fractora here in toronto. i wonder if mixing both treatments will give better results? i really wanna know which one is better for acne scarring before i go ahead and chooose one



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Posted 30 June 2013 - 06:45 PM

I agree cortisone is bad and thins skin, so I haven't used it in years. The thing about my scars is they were very inflamed to begin with, even before the microdroplet silicone I had. But since I see no results in the middle of my scars I wonder where the stuff went, and if it perhaps went to the outer edges, where there is too much collagen buildup, thus creating thicker scars. Silicone makes your body build collagen around it, it doesn't inhibit collagen.

 

Selplyl is where they take your blood and put in into a centrifuge machines, spin it, creating more fibroblasts and inject it into your skin. I have heard it can help, but it doesn't stay like a filler, it spreads out and just is suppose to bring healthier skin.

 

The fractora machine seems new out, I have read some good reviews through research now, but also it looks a lot like thermage, with the RF heating. Just wondering if I would lose fat. My skin is definitely starting to need tightening though at 38.

Hi Panos,

Being a vegan has nothing to do with having parasites. I don't eat meat/ eggs/ dairy because I love animals...and I discovered my skin healed as a result of my healthy vegan mostly raw & organic eating habits.... tea tree oil/ sea salt & lavender oil were also key to recovering from acne.

I think the herbalist is a meat eater so he is biased in his views about vegans. Instead I think there are loads of parasites / worms in meat/ dairy/ eggs but not vegetables/ fruits etc....

Cheers smile.png



Hi Tricia,
 

I think injecting your face with silicon is very harmful.  Is there any way you can take it out of your body/ scars?

Also, how can your scars heal if there's an artificial substance in them blocking your collagen? And the inflammation is most probably due to the silicon. I think you need to see a specialist which can help take out the silicon. That would be the first thing you need to do IMHO. And as for cortisone, that is sooooo bad for your skin & body long term. You have got to stop using that ASAP. Please see a naturopath or Chinese medicine specialist for more holistic healing advice.

I'm sure your body can heal its scars naturally if you give it good nutrition/ mesotherapy & ensure you have no toxins in your body or on your skin.

Cheers smile.png

PS What are PRP or selphy?

PPS If you want fillers, you should only get the ones that use a natural substance that dissipates naturally with time i.e. either your own body fat or hyaluronic acid i.e. restylene etc

PPPS TCA won't rebuild your skin tissue....your body needs to harness its own natural wound healing response to rebuild collagen/ skin tissue naturally. And your skin needs lots of vitamin c to do this...please try applying fresh lemon juice to your skin daily. Preferably after skin needling. You can also add retin a on top every 3 or 4 days to help your skin remodel. Also, supergreen powder (with chlorella/ spirulina/ wheat/ grass) is jammed with minerals/ EFAs/ vitamins your skin needs to heal. Mix it with manuka honey (10 + factor) and fresh lemon juice for a nourishing therapeutic skin mask. Use it 3 or 4 times per week for an hour. It should really help your skin. I use Synergy Natural Supergreen powder but there are other brands too. You could also look into taking beta glucan capsules and applying it to your skin. This is very beneficial to healing & improving your immune system (so too glutathione). B3 niacinamide is also vital for healing damaged skin.

 


Selphyl sounds very interesting...it could help precipitate faster healing...

As for tightning skin, fresh lemon juice does wonders! So does a product with B3 niacinamide...Also, when I did the 30 minute daily massage over 4-weeks, my skin lifted! Look into the "Wellbox"....it shows that massage tightens skin & lifts it...cupping is said to do the same thing...you can purchase these for home use too...

As for silicon, I'm not convinced of this technology as an internal augmenter...I think silicon sheets can be helpful for an external scar healing modality, but not for internal application....

But I'm sure you'll heal your skin...perhaps you need to concentrate on your overall health and boosting your immune system through natural, organic, mostly raw unprocessed wholefoods/ superfoods & natural fresh veg/ fruit juices & spring water....please also look into glutahione boosting foods...and possibly supernaturalsilver.com...

In my experience, scars can't heal until you really 'amp-up' your overall health far beyond your 'normal' state of health, otherwise your body goes into homeostasis and your scars likewise remain the same. Instead, you need to harness the skin's natural wound healing response through controlled dermal injury -  & then, if you've prepared your body by taking extra nutrients, it will start to rebuild extra collagen & heal the wound/ remodel scars...exercise also kick-starts your growth hormones/ factors which help scars heal...retin a is also good for resurfacing the skin's mantle to look smooth...I'm sure you know this already though!

One last thing, have you tried LED lights? I haven't, but am considering it...perhaps this would be a useful way to reactivate your skin's natural healing response...







 



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Posted 30 June 2013 - 07:23 PM

He is not a meat eater Aqua sea. He claims meat CANT be digested by the hyman body.

Too much vegetables will result in parasite build up.

According to him,always, only sweet fruits from the trees are made for human body to digest.

Fruits will clean your blood .For him,a 40 days orange juice fast will give you new skin .A 21 days OJ fast gives new heart.

And a 14 days OJ fast gives 5x red blood cells. Just passing claims.

Interesting...Thanks for clarifying this information Panos...however, I'm not convinced of fructarian arguments...

I see vegetables, sea vegetables, legumes, nutritional yeast, beans, nuts, seeds, grasses, fermented natural foods, non-dairy probiotics, sprouts along with fruit essential for good health.

Cheers :)



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Posted 08 August 2013 - 07:12 PM

great amount of info on here



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