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I am 22 years old and I am a long time acne fighter. I have done countless hours of research on online forums and sites trying to figure out different ways to cure my acne. I for the most part have my acne under control with diet and basic healthy choices and have dramatically cleared up my acne by reducing the hormonal spike that happens from sugars and processed foods and replacing them with vegetables and probiotics. I still have one lingering problem however; Whenever I do heavy compound lifting, My body tends to breakout. I know it is because of the elevated levels of testosterone converted to DHT and my body responding to these drastic spikes in hormones that come from lifting heavy which cause your body to grow. to further the evidence that DHT from these hormones are the cause (excuse the details) my acne flares up usually a day or two after ejaculation. I recently did a test to see if DHT was the problem by supplementing with Beta sitosterol, stinging nettle and saw pallmeto during my workouts to reduce the levels of dht in my body during and post workouts. It worked like a charm. I had no new breakouts and I thought I had my cure. However, My libido and sex drive dramatically dropped and also my energy levels seemed way down also. I just overall felt lethargic and my workouts were pathetic. I went off the beta sitosterol and stinging nettle while still using a low dosage of saw palmetto and these problems reversed. However, the acne on my body came back (not as hard though pre use of Saw pallmeto) I am in desperate search of a solution that allows me to lift while not causing my dht levels subsequently to spike and cause an acne breakout. What would you suggest to try internally and topically block dht while minimizing its effects on my energy levels and sex drive?

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You can go on an anti-DHT diet, meaning that you just avoid DHT triggers in your food and take less saw palmetto and such. Avoiding dairy, sugar, whey protein, protein workout supplements (which stimulate androgenic activity). It might help.

I feel like you're stuck between a rock and a hard place here though, since bodybuilding is all about stimulating DHT past normal levels. You kinda have to choose between bodybuilding and clear skin.

The only other thing I can recommend is using TOPICAL spironolactone. It is anti-DHT in a cream. It is often used for hairloss, but you can apply the cream on the face for acne. It may be able to reduce the DHT in your face without affecting the DHT in your muscles. Because it is topical it is safe for males. You can buy it over the counter here.

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Thanks for the response. Yea I feel like right now I'm going to have to choose between one or the other which is a total bummer for me because I LOVE lifting but also it seems pointless to have muscles if its causing me to breakout. I'll have to look into your recommendation for the topical spironolactone. I feel topical is going to be the only solution if I can find one between maintaining muscle and minimizing acne breakouts.

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You can go on an anti-DHT diet, meaning that you just avoid DHT triggers in your food and take less saw palmetto and such. Avoiding dairy, sugar, whey protein, protein workout supplements (which stimulate androgenic activity). It might help.

I feel like you're stuck between a rock and a hard place here though, since bodybuilding is all about stimulating DHT past normal levels. You kinda have to choose between bodybuilding and clear skin.

The only other thing I can recommend is using TOPICAL spironolactone. It is anti-DHT in a cream. It is often used for hairloss, but you can apply the cream on the face for acne. It may be able to reduce the DHT in your face without affecting the DHT in your muscles. Because it is topical it is safe for males. You can buy it over the counter here.

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Please Aridus46 report if you have success with topical spironolactone.

Regarding the supplements you were taking in the past (stinging nettle and saw palmetto), could you please tell me if you were acne free 90% or 100%? I am asking this because today I have bought a bottle of saw palmeto ( gnc brand).

Anyway, I hope topical spiro can be a solution for you.

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Please Aridus46 report if you have success with topical spironolactone.

Regarding the supplements you were taking in the past (stinging nettle and saw palmetto), could you please tell me if you were acne free 90% or 100%? I am asking this because today I have bought a bottle of saw palmeto ( gnc brand).

Anyway, I hope topical spiro can be a solution for you.

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Thank you Aridus46 for sharing your experience with the supplement you were taking, I hope you'll find the answer to balance your energy, libido and no more breaks out. But regarding women don't have to worry about side effects, it's not really true and that's the reason I was asking to you is because I am scary.

I am female, 43 years old, and my dermatologist told me that at my age playing with hormones is really dangerous because you can get breast cancer. He prescribed me Diane 35 that really helped but not definitely a cure. It changed my skin from severe and painfull cystic acne to moderate acne but still persistant. Two months before 4 women died in France, and now Diane35 is forbiden in France and USA.

After this, I read a GreenGable post about her success with Spiro. I live in Spain and Spiro is not prescribed for acne, and It's prescribed for high blood pressure and my dermatologist refused to prescribe it to me for acne. He said that at my age my liver willl start failing and I will die if I take it. I decided to take it on my own risk and I took it from my father's drawer. After two weeks taking spironolactone 50 mg I felt so weak and finally fainted, I called am ambulance and finished my day at the emergency room in a hospital because I have low blood pressure. Do you have high blood pressure? If you do, probably you can take a minimum dosage of Spiro and can be the answer for you. My father was prescribed Spiro for high blood pressure and I took the medicine from his drawer, so males can take it but I don't know the safety dosage .

Another disadvantage of beeing a female fighting with acne, is having your menstrual period when you break out like crazy.

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I have very low blood pressure to start, and have been on Spiro 100mg for over 5 months with no problems. My blood pressure hasn't changed.

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Thank you Aridus46 for sharing your experience with the supplement you were taking, I hope you'll find the answer to balance your energy, libido and no more breaks out. But regarding women don't have to worry about side effects, it's not really true and that's the reason I was asking to you is because I am scary.

I am female, 43 years old, and my dermatologist told me that at my age playing with hormones is really dangerous because you can get breast cancer. He prescribed me Diane 35 that really helped but not definitely a cure. It changed my skin from severe and painfull cystic acne to moderate acne but still persistant. Two months before 4 women died in France, and now Diane35 is forbiden in France and USA.

After this, I read a GreenGable post about her success with Spiro. I live in Spain and Spiro is not prescribed for acne, and It's prescribed for high blood pressure and my dermatologist refused to prescribe it to me for acne. He said that at my age my liver willl start failing and I will die if I take it. I decided to take it on my own risk and I took it from my father's drawer. After two weeks taking spironolactone 50 mg I felt so weak and finally fainted, I called am ambulance and finished my day at the emergency room in a hospital because I have low blood pressure. Do you have high blood pressure? If you do, probably you can take a minimum dosage of Spiro and can be the answer for you. My father was prescribed Spiro for high blood pressure and I took the medicine from his drawer, so males can take it but I don't know the safety dosage .

Another disadvantage of beeing a female fighting with acne, is having your menstrual period when you break out like crazy.

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I'm surprised your family member actually had a spironolactone medication for blood pressure. It was found to be so ineffective for high blood pressure that hardly any doctors use it for that anymore. There are much better drugs for blood pressure.

I am on 100mg daily and my blood pressure is exactly the same. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose.

Aridus, I hope you find success on a lower dosage. Beta-sitosterol has really concentrated effects compared to a standardized saw palmetto extract supplement. This can be a good thing, theoretically, less pills to take, but it's a lot more power especially for males. I don't personally recommend it....simply because we have no idea what dosages are appropriate.

If I were male I probably wouldn't use beta-sitosterol pills until more studies/trials are done. Just stick with saw palmetto extract standardized to 85% fatty acids, plus either stinging nettle, pygeum, or pumpkin seed oil just to avoid the side effects of lots of saw palmetto (for some reason saw palmetto-only users report more headaches, dehydration, etc. than people who mix herbs).

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The name of the drug I took was Aldactone,and as I said I took it from my father's drawer and I took it on my own risk and fainted. I don't know if this drug is sold in USA. The active ingredient is 50 mg Spironolactone. It's so weird, because if you read the leaflet is just prescribed for high blood pressure and it doesn't say anything about not using for males. What's the name of the drug in your country?

It's also weird that Green Gables and Michi31 says that spiro doesn't affect their blood pressure because I felt so weak and I fainted the first week I was taking it. I was starting thinking that it was not the same drug you are taking and I check out the leaflet, but after reading it I confirmed that the only ingredient is Spironolactone.

And I guess the name of the drug is different in every country, but if the main and only different ingredient is Spironolactone, Why doesn't it say it's not used for males, and why does it say that the main purpose of this drug is to low blood pressure ( no matter if there are more drugs more efficiency for this purpose)?.

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Update on Results:

So far I have been taking saw palmetto 2x a day along with half a pill of beta-sitosterol on cardio days and a full pill of beta-sitosterol along with an extra pill of saw plametto to help with the surge of testosterone converted to dht from lifting compound weights. On off days, I just take 2 pills of saw palmetto, one in the morning and at night. Before I was taking beta sitosterol pills 2x a day instead of just 1/2 or full pill which I am doing now. MY body acne has cleared up dramatically and now I will notice only one or two new cysts develop on my body at most after I lift and theyre usually pretty small compared to a large breakout that seemed to happen everytime after i lifted without these pills. My libido is better than it was before on my high dose of these pills but I still am not 100% like i did when I wasnt on these drugs. However, I would much rather live with a slight decreased sex drive and energy levels and have little acne compared to massive breakouts and having normal libido. I have also found after ejaculation, which usually would trigger a breakout on my face, if i take a pill of saw palmetto directly after, I dont notice any significant cysts develop the next day. I will have a few small ones but nothing worth noting. So far, this routine seems to be working fairly well for me and I also notice I can be more relaxed with my choices on food without having any consequences. I also have been splurging with a little caffeine as of late without having problems like I normally would. I'm planning on starting to take a supplement called dim which is suppose to be a more natural better way to inhibit DHT production and also metabolize bad estrogen with hopefully fewer side effects. I have read a lot of positive reviews for dim so I'm hoping I can slowly taper off beta-sitosterol and use dim for more a more long term solution.

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Aridus46, I am glad to know you have found the perfect dosage to find the balance between your energy levels, libido and no breaks out. Please keep reporting about your knew experience with dim.

I bought a saw palmetto pills (160 mg), but I haven't taken them yet, because my skin is actually better than ever,( not 100 % acne free, but 90% acne free ) thanks to the zinc (50 mg) + pumpkins seeds (brand solaray) and I don't want to spoil it. It`s the fist time I have decent skin in 43 years but I know I will give saw palmetto a try in the future, because I want to know if it works or not. Have you ever tried zinc (50 mg) ? it's supposed to inhibit DHt without decreasing your levels of energy. I have to point out that I am actually taking diane35 also, but Diane 35 is not enough for me. And that,s the reason I am also taking zinc. I supposed that I should take another supplement to get a perfect a skin like saw palmetto.

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I'm glad to hear Mikito you have been having great success lately. It's certainly a great feeling to finally have something begin to work for you after so many years of frustration. I have been taken zinc consistently for the past several years but I havent noticed it make much of a difference for acne. I have experimented with different kinds of zinc recommended for acne but I'm not sure how much it has helped in the past. I just take it because I know its healthy to supplement with. I definitely want to start trying pumpkin oil though. Its healthy in good fats and if it really does help inhibit a large amount of dht, I feel that would be the best long term solution. My goal is to start tapering off beta sitosterol to the point where I can use as little as needed of more natural solutions (such as pumpkin oil if it works) to make sure i minimize any possible long term side effects that could happen since most of these drugs i'm taking have little to no studies done on the their long term effects. Keep me updated on your results mikito and I would love to hear anybody elses results with trying out different dht inhibitors.

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Have to weigh in where I see people talking about inhibiting the conversion of testosterone to DHT. For many people this is the answer, but it is risky. A minority of people develop side effects that can persist for years. Google saw palmetto and brain fog, saw palmetto and libido for more info. I don't want to tell you all what to do, I just hope folks will consider this. Saw palmetto was an enormous mistake for me personally. Cheers and good luck.

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Have to weigh in where I see people talking about inhibiting the conversion of testosterone to DHT. For many people this is the answer, but it is risky. A minority of people develop side effects that can persist for years. Google saw palmetto and brain fog, saw palmetto and libido for more info. I don't want to tell you all what to do, I just hope folks will consider this. Saw palmetto was an enormous mistake for me personally. Cheers and good luck.

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Have to weigh in where I see people talking about inhibiting the conversion of testosterone to DHT. For many people this is the answer, but it is risky. A minority of people develop side effects that can persist for years. Google saw palmetto and brain fog, saw palmetto and libido for more info. I don't want to tell you all what to do, I just hope folks will consider this. Saw palmetto was an enormous mistake for me personally. Cheers and good luck.

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Playsomebeat, could you please explain more about when you say saw palmetto was a mistake for you? I haven't given saw palmetto a try, but I am planning to try it in future and It would be very interesting to know your experience with this stuff.

Aridus46, good luck with your new experiment with MMS and keep us reporting if you have success. Regarding Zinc, I take the brand Solaray ( I don't know if it's sold in your country) but the important thing are the active ingredients 50 mg chelated zinc + 50 mg curcubita pepo (pumpkin seed). I noticed a huge different in my skin, but I think this wouldn`t be enough to inhibit enough DHt, if I wouldn`t take it with Diane35 ( Ciproterone acetate) that is also an inhibitor of DHt. Perhaps that's the reason It didn't work for you, because you need to use it with another inhibitor of Dht. Zinc increase your libido, and I didn't notice any adverse side effect.

Masked one, for me a drug approved by FDA doesn't mean security. For instance, Roacutan was a huge mistake for me, it literally made me crazy. If you google Roacutane, you can find a research that says Roacutan decrease 21% your frontal lobule in your brain and its approved by FDA.

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Mikito, I certainly understand what you're saying. The FDA is not a 100% guarantee for accuracy. However, I would rather have some oversight than none. I thought long and hard about taking both Spiro and Saw Palmetto. Spiro is not for everyone, either is Saw Palmetto. It's a personal choice.

I took Accutane back in the 1990's. It was a miracle. I love it. I'd do it again. My story is anecdotal, but I know it's helped other people too.

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Hello !

First of all, please forgive my english mistakes, I'm a french resident so it's kinda hard to me to talk perfectly smile.png

I'am very very relieved to FINALLY see a RECENT post about DHT acne and a guy experience, you have no idea Aridus how you saved my day !

I'm 21 and suffer from the EXACTLY same problems and ascertainments you had .

It's so painful to think about all of it, my psychological state of mind is so down because of my acne and the injustice felt is beyond imagine.

It's only recently I have made the link between DHT and my acne, since i encountered the same issues with lifting ejaculation and my food habits.

Since the past 3 days, I skim the web to find anything about DHT-blockers and the effects on acne, trying to find any witness experience of some people, but nothing until NOW! smile.png

So my friend, please tell me what you recommand me to buy among all theses DHT blockers you tested ( you talked about Dim also and i read a lot about spironolactone http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2972662)

This post is very interessting for me, even if I don't understand everything but this routine seems to be very efficient for you and probably will be for me too no?

Update on Results:

So far I have been taking saw palmetto 2x a day along with half a pill of beta-sitosterol on cardio days and a full pill of beta-sitosterol along with an extra pill of saw plametto to help with the surge of testosterone converted to dht from lifting compound weights. On off days, I just take 2 pills of saw palmetto, one in the morning and at night. Before I was taking beta sitosterol pills 2x a day instead of just 1/2 or full pill which I am doing now. MY body acne has cleared up dramatically and now I will notice only one or two new cysts develop on my body at most after I lift and theyre usually pretty small compared to a large breakout that seemed to happen everytime after i lifted without these pills. My libido is better than it was before on my high dose of these pills but I still am not 100% like i did when I wasnt on these drugs. However, I would much rather live with a slight decreased sex drive and energy levels and have little acne compared to massive breakouts and having normal libido. I have also found after ejaculation, which usually would trigger a breakout on my face, if i take a pill of saw palmetto directly after, I dont notice any significant cysts develop the next day. I will have a few small ones but nothing worth noting. So far, this routine seems to be working fairly well for me and I also notice I can be more relaxed with my choices on food without having any consequences. I also have been splurging with a little caffeine as of late without having problems like I normally would. I'm planning on starting to take a supplement called dim which is suppose to be a more natural better way to inhibit DHT production and also metabolize bad estrogen with hopefully fewer side effects. I have read a lot of positive reviews for dim so I'm hoping I can slowly taper off beta-sitosterol and use dim for more a more long term solution.

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Hello !

First of all, please forgive my english mistakes, I'm a french resident so it's kinda hard to me to talk perfectly smile.png

I'am very very relieved to FINALLY see a RECENT post about DHT acne and a guy experience, you have no idea Aridus how you saved my day !

I'm 21 and suffer from the EXACTLY same problems and ascertainments you had .

It's so painful to think about all of it, my psychological state of mind is so down because of my acne and the injustice felt is beyond imagine.

It's only recently I have made the link between DHT and my acne, since i encountered the same issues with lifting ejaculation and my food habits.

Since the past 3 days, I skim the web to find anything about DHT-blockers and the effects on acne, trying to find any witness experience of some people, but nothing until NOW! smile.png

So my friend, please tell me what you recommand me to buy among all theses DHT blockers you tested ( you talked about Dim also and i read a lot about spironolactone http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2972662)

This post is very interessting for me, even if I don't understand everything but this routine seems to be very efficient for you and probably will be for me too no?

Update on Results:

So far I have been taking saw palmetto 2x a day along with half a pill of beta-sitosterol on cardio days and a full pill of beta-sitosterol along with an extra pill of saw plametto to help with the surge of testosterone converted to dht from lifting compound weights. On off days, I just take 2 pills of saw palmetto, one in the morning and at night. Before I was taking beta sitosterol pills 2x a day instead of just 1/2 or full pill which I am doing now. MY body acne has cleared up dramatically and now I will notice only one or two new cysts develop on my body at most after I lift and theyre usually pretty small compared to a large breakout that seemed to happen everytime after i lifted without these pills. My libido is better than it was before on my high dose of these pills but I still am not 100% like i did when I wasnt on these drugs. However, I would much rather live with a slight decreased sex drive and energy levels and have little acne compared to massive breakouts and having normal libido. I have also found after ejaculation, which usually would trigger a breakout on my face, if i take a pill of saw palmetto directly after, I dont notice any significant cysts develop the next day. I will have a few small ones but nothing worth noting. So far, this routine seems to be working fairly well for me and I also notice I can be more relaxed with my choices on food without having any consequences. I also have been splurging with a little caffeine as of late without having problems like I normally would. I'm planning on starting to take a supplement called dim which is suppose to be a more natural better way to inhibit DHT production and also metabolize bad estrogen with hopefully fewer side effects. I have read a lot of positive reviews for dim so I'm hoping I can slowly taper off beta-sitosterol and use dim for more a more long term solution.

I first wanted to take only Beta sitosterol (300mg per day with pills) since it's the (according to what i read on internet) effective thing in saw palmetto to blok 5alpha-reductase. but i see it gaves you erectile problem so I'm kind afraid .

Please answer me and keep us update, it's so hard to find any recent (or not by the way) post about our concerns and experience .

I want to avoid Roaccutane, since it's increase hairloss and grownhair on body and have many long term effect as mikito pointed out .

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Thanks you a lot for this resume.

I will foloow your routine, perhaps in first weeks with a lower doses cause yes i indeed feel like it's a lot so i prefer start softly with my body and then increase the doses if everything's fine or no changement.

May i ask you where do you buy your pills? (i mean if it's on internet, it would help me cause I'm looking for a trustworthy shopper)

For the topical use of spironolactone (5% in the cream) I will see if i use it or not, probably not for start but if I have bad results with the palmetto/DIM/B cytosterol (and i fucking hope not lol) i will buy it.

Anyways, i'll keep you informed for sure , testimony experiences are less and less frequent nowaday so I will keep the web informed :)

Keep in touch buddy !

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Thanks you a lot for this resume.

I will foloow your routine, perhaps in first weeks with a lower doses cause yes i indeed feel like it's a lot so i prefer start softly with my body and then increase the doses if everything's fine or no changement.

May i ask you where do you buy your pills? (i mean if it's on internet, it would help me cause I'm looking for a trustworthy shopper)

For the topical use of spironolactone (5% in the cream) I will see if i use it or not, probably not for start but if I have bad results with the palmetto/DIM/B cytosterol (and i fucking hope not lol) i will buy it.

Anyways, i'll keep you informed for sure , testimony experiences are less and less frequent nowaday so I will keep the web informed smile.png

Keep in touch buddy !

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ok thanks :)

can you send me your seller link of amazon by PM ?

thanks dude :)

here the routine i will start with and increase doses if nothing happen about 3 months

Take 1 pill of Zinc 15mg/day

Take 1 pill of saw palmetto berries capsule (580mg) the morning AND the evenning

Take 1 pill of source naturals DIM per day

Drink around 2liters per days of water and 1 mintleaf tea/ day for EGCG

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I took Greengables advice and decided to try the S5 cream. It has made a huge difference for me no doubt. i decided to try it for a while and noticed my skin all over looked good using it but I was unsure if it was just the supplements I was taking or if the cream was truly helping. I ran out of the cream for about 5 days and all of the sudden my skin broke out bad. I immediately order some more and after I started using it again, everything started calming down and there have rarely been new ones. While this cream is fairly expensive, i would definitely recommend trying it. I have order 4 more containers just to make sure I dont run out any time soon.

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