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#21 JohnH

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Posted 19 June 2013 - 10:34 PM

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LOL this is one of the areas where my expertise lies my friend.

1) Whey protein is the single most bioavailable protein there is. END OF STORY. This is a medical fact. All natural proteins are almost identical in makeup and function, the only difference is how much of the protein you ingest is actually absorbed by the body. This is what a protein's bioavailability is.

2) Some of the proteins mentioned, specifically any plant based proteins, are far less superior to whey for one reason. THEY ARE NOT COMPLETE PROTEINS. Plant derived proteins are not considered "complete" because they all lack a few amino acids; which ones are missing depends on the plant. Now, if you combine say bean protein and rice protein, those will provide a complete protein. But for the OP to do the research and find the complete protein pairings would be very time consuming and is very bad advice. Whey is a milk based, therefore animal sources protein. Whey protein and the protein in meats is considered "complete" as it contains all the necessary amino acids.

3) The highly inflammatory stuff is a load of crap. I'm not even going to go into this one because I'm going to work. OP, do your own research on this.

4) If you expect to put on muscle, you WILL increase you testosterone, IGF-1, growth hormone, and cholesterol. All of these can potentially contribute to acne, and I believe the OP knows this.

This is why I rarely come here anymore. Anyone can act like an expert on this site; I try to give a guy scientifically proven advice and what has worked for me for 10 years as an athlete but someone who likely doesn't play sports (at least at a high school or collegiate level) wants to tell me otherwise and asks if I "even read the original post."

Try to maintain a more courteous tone bud, we all have different things to offer on this website and unless your 100% positive on something, don't imply it is fact. We want to share our knowledge here; that's the real strength of this website.

 

Not trying to hijack the OP's thread, but I just wanted to say I think you may have misunderstood my point. I should have been more clear.

 

I completely agree with you that whey protein is the most bioavailable, most complete protein, and is the best protein for gaining weight and building muscle. When I talked about the "superior" alternatives, I meant in reference to overall health and the OP's primary concern being maintaining clear skin. If the OP had simply said he wanted to gain weight and didn't care about how it affected his acne, I would have absolutely 100% suggested whey protein. In fact, back when I didn't care much about my skin and health and was going to the gym and trying to gain weight, I was taking in massive amounts of whey protein daily. Since dairy is inflammatory, and whey protein is basically concentrated milk, I suggested an anti-inflammatory alternative like hemp protein, which also happens to be a complete protein with all 9 essential amino acids.

 

The only reason I replied to the OP and to you the way I did is because the OP clearly stated his main concern was maintaining his clear skin, and then went on to say "dairy breaks me out so i wont take a risk with whey protein." Again, had his primary concern been simply putting on some pounds, I would gladly support whey protein and inflammatory, calorie dense foods.

 

I meant no disrespect. Admittedly, I guess I overreacted a bit because your post just seemed to indicate that you didn't read the OP or any of his subsequent posts saying he didn't want anything that would exacerbate his acne and didn't want to try whey. I just know firsthand how important it is sometimes to want to do everything possible to keep your clear skin, which can be tricky when incorporating new foods or supplements into your diet. But in the interest of full disclosure, I was a high school and collegiate tennis player and currently work out and exercise 6 days a week with 8% body fat.

 

OP, in short, whey protein is the best for gaining weight, but will likely aggravate your acne. Keep in mind people react differently to different things, so it may be worth a try if you're into the idea. Hemp is also a complete protein with all 9 essential amino acids. It is anti-inflammatory and, as such, will likely help acne.

 

Good luck, let us know what you ultimately end up trying and how it turns out.


Edited by JohnH, 19 June 2013 - 10:43 PM.

Keep in mind that the above statement(s), opinion(s), and/or recommendation(s) are based on my own personal experience and observations. Different people's bodies react differently to different things. It may not be the same for you. It may not work for you. Generally speaking, "your mileage may vary." In the interest of full disclosure, I am neither a medical doctor nor a nutritionist; I'm just a guy who's passionate about health, nutrition, and clear skin! Consult a practicing physician, dietician, or dermatologist before incorporating new supplements into your diet.


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 03:54 AM

Yep, no problem. It sucks, but building muscle increases the chance of getting acne in people with problematic skin. There's really no way around it, you can only give it shot and see how your skin responds.

Who knows, at age 19 your hormones may be starting to settle down and so what caused you acne before may not anymore. That's what I've noticed with me.

 

My acne started about 9 months ago, so i don't think my hormones have settled down :(.

 

But maybe the antibiotics i took have eliminated my acne. Lately i've been eating food bad for acne because im doing exams and im eating in college, yet i havent had any break out, so who knows



I think i will try hemp protein since its antiinflammatory and wont hurt my acne, or at least wont hurt my acne as much as whey protein.

 

I'll try to keep my acne-free diet, but i think that if i want to gain weight ill have to eat foods that are bad for acne. I guess i dont want to be a slave of acne for the rest of my life, so sooner or later i will have to start eating foods bad for acne.

 

About the weight gainer thing, ill search in the stores for one sugar free or low in sugar. If i dont find one, i may prepare my own weight gainer shake with product such as fruits, hemp protein, olive oil etc.

 

I will start my diet on monday when my exams finish, and ill post whether it makes me break out or not.



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Posted 20 June 2013 - 05:09 AM

just be careful about products claiming sugar free and still are sweet.they might have 'not so great' additives and saccharin which not the best thing for ur overall health 


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huge pores
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indented scar
http://www.acne.org/...iswith-picture/
 
oils used for cooking
http://www.acne.org/...oilgood-or-bad/
 
inflamed whiteheads & clogged pores
http://www.acne.org/...twith-pictures/
 
my balanced diet chart and skincare routine(medications taken & products used now)
http://www.acne.org/...food-allergies/
http://www.acne.org/...incare-routine/
 

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 06:29 AM

just be careful about products claiming sugar free and still are sweet.they might have 'not so great' additives and saccharin which not the best thing for ur overall health 

 You are right, i didn't think about sugar free products having another sweeteners which may affect acne.

I guess i will have to check out all the ingredients in the weight gainer and not worry only about if it is sugar free



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Posted 20 June 2013 - 11:15 AM

just be careful about products claiming sugar free and still are sweet.they might have 'not so great' additives and saccharin which not the best thing for ur overall health 

 You are right, i didn't think about sugar free products having another sweeteners which may affect acne.

I guess i will have to check out all the ingredients in the weight gainer and not worry only about if it is sugar free

Good luck!rolleyes.gif


Itchy red raised skin - dermatitis??
http://www.acne.org/...-with-pictures/
 
huge pores
http://www.acne.org/...dwith-pictures/
 
indented scar
http://www.acne.org/...iswith-picture/
 
oils used for cooking
http://www.acne.org/...oilgood-or-bad/
 
inflamed whiteheads & clogged pores
http://www.acne.org/...twith-pictures/
 
my balanced diet chart and skincare routine(medications taken & products used now)
http://www.acne.org/...food-allergies/
http://www.acne.org/...incare-routine/
 

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Posted 20 June 2013 - 11:49 AM

I recommend not taking weight gain powders, they are pretty much just whey protein with a whole bunch of other stuff in it, and a lot of it is bad for you. If you want to gain weight the best way is to just eat a lot more. You should eat like every 3 hours, so around 5 meals a day (not 5 full course meals but 5 smaller meals throughout the day), which ensures that you will be eating more calories and your body will be spending more time using the food for energy rather than burning calories and keeping you skinny! I've only been weight lifting for about a year so I don't have as much experience as CBIOT13, but as long as you eat A LOT and eat more protein, along with a solid weight lifting routine, you should be able to gain all the weight you need. Of course, gaining muscle is a completely different story from gaining fat, weight lifting is a lifestyle and it takes years to put on a good amount of muscle mass, but as for just adding weight to the scale, as long as you eat a lot and go to the gym it shouldn't be too hard.

 

Your acne will suffer as a result however, because weight lifting is all about increasing hormones like testosterone and IGF-1, and both of these contribute to an increase in acne. Honestly, I haven't heard of anybody having good long term success with antibiotics, and you can't try and have a diet that can satisfy both weight lifting and clearing acne. I recommend committing to a good weight lifting diet, eating plenty of carbohydrates and protein and good healthy fats, and maybe supplementing with whey protein and creatine. I also recommend doing something topical like the regimen, because pretty much everything related to a weight lifting bulking diet will make your acne worse and you want to make sure you keep your acne under control at the same time. 

 

This is just my opinion though, I know I am on the holistic health boards and a lot of people here will not agree with what I have to say about recommending the regimen haha, but it's just my advice. Good luck! :)


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Posted 20 June 2013 - 11:56 PM

are u allergic to eggs?


Itchy red raised skin - dermatitis??
http://www.acne.org/...-with-pictures/
 
huge pores
http://www.acne.org/...dwith-pictures/
 
indented scar
http://www.acne.org/...iswith-picture/
 
oils used for cooking
http://www.acne.org/...oilgood-or-bad/
 
inflamed whiteheads & clogged pores
http://www.acne.org/...twith-pictures/
 
my balanced diet chart and skincare routine(medications taken & products used now)
http://www.acne.org/...food-allergies/
http://www.acne.org/...incare-routine/
 

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:32 AM

I recommend not taking weight gain powders, they are pretty much just whey protein with a whole bunch of other stuff in it, and a lot of it is bad for you. If you want to gain weight the best way is to just eat a lot more. You should eat like every 3 hours, so around 5 meals a day (not 5 full course meals but 5 smaller meals throughout the day), which ensures that you will be eating more calories and your body will be spending more time using the food for energy rather than burning calories and keeping you skinny! I've only been weight lifting for about a year so I don't have as much experience as CBIOT13, but as long as you eat A LOT and eat more protein, along with a solid weight lifting routine, you should be able to gain all the weight you need. Of course, gaining muscle is a completely different story from gaining fat, weight lifting is a lifestyle and it takes years to put on a good amount of muscle mass, but as for just adding weight to the scale, as long as you eat a lot and go to the gym it shouldn't be too hard.

 

Your acne will suffer as a result however, because weight lifting is all about increasing hormones like testosterone and IGF-1, and both of these contribute to an increase in acne. Honestly, I haven't heard of anybody having good long term success with antibiotics, and you can't try and have a diet that can satisfy both weight lifting and clearing acne. I recommend committing to a good weight lifting diet, eating plenty of carbohydrates and protein and good healthy fats, and maybe supplementing with whey protein and creatine. I also recommend doing something topical like the regimen, because pretty much everything related to a weight lifting bulking diet will make your acne worse and you want to make sure you keep your acne under control at the same time. 

 

This is just my opinion though, I know I am on the holistic health boards and a lot of people here will not agree with what I have to say about recommending the regimen haha, but it's just my advice. Good luck! smile.png

I know a weight gainer may make me break out, but i think i really need one, im always been on the skinny side due to my metabolism, so im several ocasions i have tryed diets with lots of calories combined with working out and etc, but my metabolism makes it almost impossible for me to gain weight.

 

I don't think i'll have to take creatine or that kind of suplemments, i don't want to become huge. At 6'1 (average in my country is near 6'3 and last year i was 5'11) i have always been a small guy, and i take pride on it haha. I just want to add something like 10pounds or 20pounds at most).

 

Anyway, thanks for your advice and for reading my post. 



are u allergic to eggs?

 

No, im not, i forgot to say it, but obviously i eat lots of eggs for the protein. I even put a pair of egg whites on the glass of milk i take in the mornings.



Right now im thinking doing a homemade weight gainer may be the best option for me. I googled it and it's pretty easy, and this way i can control the ingredients.

Im thinking i could put a banana, hemp protein, egg white, a glass of milk, a couple tablespoons of olive oil, and maybe some strawberries or something like that for the flavour and the carbs.



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 11:34 AM

why only egg white?

why not the full eggs?

u dnt even have to worry about the calorie content.u r anyway thin.


Itchy red raised skin - dermatitis??
http://www.acne.org/...-with-pictures/
 
huge pores
http://www.acne.org/...dwith-pictures/
 
indented scar
http://www.acne.org/...iswith-picture/
 
oils used for cooking
http://www.acne.org/...oilgood-or-bad/
 
inflamed whiteheads & clogged pores
http://www.acne.org/...twith-pictures/
 
my balanced diet chart and skincare routine(medications taken & products used now)
http://www.acne.org/...food-allergies/
http://www.acne.org/...incare-routine/
 

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 03:05 PM

why only egg white?

why not the full eggs?

u dnt even have to worry about the calorie content.u r anyway thin.

I eat the whole egg usually, i meant that in the mornings i drink a glass of milk as part of my breakfast, and i put on it a pair of egg whites because i have a bottle of egg whites and i dont have to crack the eggs and etc.

 

When eating omelettes, boiled eggs etc. i do eat the whole egg. Sorry i expressed myself bad.



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 03:51 PM

why only egg white?
why not the full eggs?
u dnt even have to worry about the calorie content.u r anyway thin.


Yes. That.

why only egg white?
why not the full eggs?
u dnt even have to worry about the calorie content.u r anyway thin.


Yes. That.

Why don't you always eat the whole egg?
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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:17 PM

why only egg white?
why not the full eggs?
u dnt even have to worry about the calorie content.u r anyway thin.


Yes. That.

why only egg white?
why not the full eggs?
u dnt even have to worry about the calorie content.u r anyway thin.


Yes. That.

Why don't you always eat the whole egg?

 

Because i always crack the egg badly and eggshell ends up in the milk, plus i dont like the texture of the yolk when drinking it. Also in the mornings before going to class is easier to just open a bottle and pour some egg white in the milk than having to clean an egg, then crack it and remove bits of eggshell



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 04:22 PM

Just make sure you are eating enough calories to gain weight, you dont want to spend money on a weight gainer and not backing it up by not eating enough natural foods too.

 

 

You want to gain 20 pounds of fat through sugar-laden weight gainers? That doesn't sound like a good idea to me. You might as well start eating McDonalds every day...

 

Try eating complex carbs such as steel-cut or rolled oats every morning. High protein intake through chicken, fish, eggs, milk, beans, etc. Vegetables such as sweet potatoes, broccoli, dark-leafy greens, carrots. Cut out all processed foods.

 

Combine that with a weekly weight-lifting routine including full upper-body and lower body exercises. I recommend googling "Scooby's Workshop" for free workout routines and meal plans. All you need is a set of dumbells.

 

I guarantee you're going to enjoy a better looking physique, better health, and more energy if you just eat properly and get some real exercise. No chemical-laden weight-gainers needed.

alot of weight gainers aren't fat and weight gainers are used by bodybuilders and fitness models to gain weight.



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 05:33 PM

Everyday i count how many calories i eat, its always near 3400-3500. But for me its very hard to gain weight, i gotta have the fastest metabolism on earth. Before having acne i used to eat very poorly, lots of unhealthy fats, lots of simple carbs, yet i've always been skinny and ripped. I could eat everyday at mcdonals and dinner every night at burguer king and i would still have a 6-pack. It may sound good to some people, but it's a nightmare when you need to put on some weight and there's no way on earth.

 

Just make sure you are eating enough calories to gain weight, you dont want to spend money on a weight gainer and not backing it up by not eating enough natural foods too.



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Posted 21 June 2013 - 09:30 PM

Calorie dense foods that could be considered "healthy" include:

  • almonds
  • cashews
  • walnuts
  • peanut butter and almond butter
  • quinoa
  • oats
  • eggs
  • potatoes
  • hummus
  • pita chips
  • fruit smoothies
  • dried fruit
  • fruit juice
  • beans
  • avocados
  • oily fish like salmon and tuna
  • red meats (get grass fed)
  • olive oil

I advocate limiting grains, eggs, and other inflammatory foods for an anti-acne diet, but I figured I'd include them in the list anyway.
 
Granted, it will usually be relatively "easier" to load up on unhealthy calories like junk food than "clean" healthy calories, since part of feeling full and not being able to keep eating is your nutrient receptors telling your body it has received adequate nutrients from the meal you just ate. See the illustration below for an explanation of what I mean:

 
the-oils-that-make-up-junk-foods-like-fr


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 09:30 AM

Everyday i count how many calories i eat, its always near 3400-3500. But for me its very hard to gain weight, i gotta have the fastest metabolism on earth. Before having acne i used to eat very poorly, lots of unhealthy fats, lots of simple carbs, yet i've always been skinny and ripped. I could eat everyday at mcdonals and dinner every night at burguer king and i would still have a 6-pack. It may sound good to some people, but it's a nightmare when you need to put on some weight and there's no way on earth.

 

Just make sure you are eating enough calories to gain weight, you dont want to spend money on a weight gainer and not backing it up by not eating enough natural foods too.

Read some articles on muscleandstrength.com there is loads related to beginners how struggle gaining weight.



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Posted 22 June 2013 - 10:48 AM

OP, forgot about egg white protein. It is also a complete protein, and ironically enough, while eggs are pretty inflammatory, dried egg whites are anti-inflammatory, thus egg white protein is anti-inflammatory.


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 11:18 AM

OP, forgot about egg white protein. It is also a complete protein, and ironically enough, while eggs are pretty inflammatory, dried egg whites are anti-inflammatory, thus egg white protein is anti-inflammatory.

Thanks for the information, the other post about calorie dense healthy foods was very useful. Do you know if peanut butter is inflammatory? I know that is very calorie dense, but i always thought butters were bad for acne :S . 



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Posted 22 June 2013 - 11:28 AM

OP, forgot about egg white protein. It is also a complete protein, and ironically enough, while eggs are pretty inflammatory, dried egg whites are anti-inflammatory, thus egg white protein is anti-inflammatory.

Thanks for the information, the other post about calorie dense healthy foods was very useful. Do you know if peanut butter is inflammatory? I know that is very calorie dense, but i always thought butters were bad for acne :S . 

 

Thankfully, peanut butter is anti-inflammatory. I eat a ton of peanut butter and almond butter. However, processed peanut butter with hydrogenated oils (trans fats) will be inflammatory and bad for you. Always aim for organic with no added salt or sugar. I like to get unsalted, unsweetened organic peanut butter and then add a little sea salt and Stevia powder at home to sweeten and salt to my liking.

 

I have seen many people who associate nut butters with causing them to break out, but I strongly believe they are either A) Consuming highly processed peanut butter with hydrogenated oils, and/or B) Making a false correlation.

 

Obviously if you have any sort of nut allergy this may affect things, but I eat peanut butter every day. There's also a neat product called PB2 which is powdered peanut butter. Sounds weird, but it's actually real peanut butter that they have extracted the fat from, but it retains its protein content. I have that too. You just mix it with a little water or sunflower oil or safflower oil to have real peanut butter. Or you can throw the powder in with protein shakes.


Edited by JohnH, 22 June 2013 - 11:28 AM.

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 11:28 AM


OP, forgot about egg white protein. It is also a complete protein, and ironically enough, while eggs are pretty inflammatory, dried egg whites are anti-inflammatory, thus egg white protein is anti-inflammatory.

Thanks for the information, the other post about calorie dense healthy foods was very useful. Do you know if peanut butter is inflammatory? I know that is very calorie dense, but i always thought butters were bad for acne :S . 
Egg whites are the part that most people are allergic to.

You don't avoid all inflammatory foods, especially good foods like eggs. You just consume more anti inflammatory foods than inflammatory.

Also, it depends on the egg. Eggs from pastured hens or hens fed flax seed will be higher in anti inflammatory omega 3 EFAs than those from CAFO grain fed hens.

Edited by alternativista, 22 June 2013 - 11:32 AM.

Status: Clear after 30 years. Wow, I guess it's been 6 years, now.

[ Story: Severe Acne since I was 10. 10+ years of Dermatologists, Antibiotics, topicals and ACCUTANE did nothing. Discovered oranges triggered the worst of my cystic acne = about 70% improvement. Tried some nutrient supplements like B-complex with zinc and C, saw palmetto and a BHA like the aspirin mask = more improvement, a lot less oily. Then, Diet changes = Clear.

Regimen: Anti-inflammatory, nutrient dense, blood sugar stabilizing diet and supplements (for hormones, inflammation, aging, health). No soap or other cleanser except for hand washing! Water only or Oil cleanse. Aloe Vera mixed with niacinimide and a high linoleic acid oil for moisturizer and reduce pigmentation.

Diet effects acne in so many ways: hormone balance, inflammation, Insulin levels, digestion, allergies and intolerances, liver function, adrenal function, SHBG levels, sebum quality, cell function and turnover, nutrient deficiencies, body fat, etc. Basic advice: Eat, sleep, supplement and exercise like you are a diabetic. And eat real food!

For more information, see my Good Things for Acne thread *Moderator edit - Please refer to the board rules (see “Advertising/soliciting”, “Linking” and “Signatures”)*

When you eat stuff, Stuff Happens!