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#21 rx500

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 09:40 AM

Rx500, it might indeed be quackery...but I'm testing to find out for myself...also, if you research scar massage therapy, you'll see many doctors and therapists use massage therapy on major skin trauma/ scarring (i.e. accident/burn victims and surgical scars/ ceaserean sections scars). If it can help these scars, why not acne scars?

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No idea, but I'm tired of people acting like the medical and cosmetic surgery industry actually offers legitimate ways to improve your attractiveness (or become less ugly). When even the most expensive treatments don't do much, you have to laugh at the methods like this, it's like clicking on random ads through a google search hoping to find a cure, just scammers (low tier scammers, compared to the big doctors and plastic surgeons) wanting to take money from the ugly losers of society.



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Posted 23 May 2013 - 10:29 AM

rx500,this is not quackery.

 

Its about improving blood circulation ---->if the blood has quality nutrients it will heal the treatment area

faster and more efficiently.

 

No one in this thread tells anything unscientific. There is a forum that people earning money from what you call

''losers''. blackhatworld.com ...check it and you will see wht i am taking about.

 

Aqua sea,i am not using any moisturizer,i let the natural oil do its job and i do some really light cleanses here and there.

Good option about using manuka honey,i have heard its very healing.Bear in mind also that honey has electromagnetic properties. Another thing to consider about.

 

Re evoo i think it actually makes some flaws of the skin to die. Thats why we think it induces blemishes,while in

fact it makes the fibrotic skin layers to die.But when this  dead blemished skin peel off after some time,it will

reviele healthier looking skin. Just my 2 cents here.

 

Re massage i TOTALLY believe in massage.I mean TOTALLY.

It surely helps,and makes the skin feel revitalized more oxygenated and i 

actually i believe that exactly this happens!


Edited by panos, 23 May 2013 - 10:40 AM.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 10:30 AM

This one seems like a treatment that is pretty 'far out' there. But it's nice to hear that someone is willing to try it so we can find a definitive answer to it. :)



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Posted 23 May 2013 - 07:40 PM

Well, yesterday I did 1 x 30 minute massage session in the morning and 1 x 15 massage session at night. Inbetween, I skin needled - both individual and using the roller (my topicals were Retin / Steiva A, beta glucan, B3  - just use a tiny amount and not near your lips as it lightens them and your skin! -  b5, evoo + tea trea oil, fresh lime juice). I can say that today my skin has improved by about 10-15%!! Even the stubburn redness from the BP damage etc has somewhat subsided.  I guess the massaging helps maximise the skin needling. I'll do another skin needling session next week sometime. However, so far, this is proving to be a very beneficial modality for me. I would advise that Retin A/ Steiva A be used in conjunction with this modality and evoo (with 100% tea tree oil to prevent breakouts).

Of course, anyone reading this is free to see a dermologist or a PS for advice. Unfortunately, I've never found one that could help my skin (they just prescribed topicals that did worse damage long term to my skin). So, I'm interested in natural remedies that work. I've noticed that improving the health of your skin is best accomplished by a synergistic/ wholistic approach. There no "silver bullet". You need to enhance your entire health and wellness. If I knew lasers were safe and effective I would go for it! But it doesn't work for everyone. And in many cases, it can cause further damage. So I'm doing everything possible to heal my skin without the use of lasers. Yes, it takes time, but healing does occur when you are diligent in using non-invasive skin healing practices.

All I know is that no doctor prescribed pill/ topical cured my acne, it was my healthy, mostly raw, non GMO, wholefood vegan diet + fresh veg/ fruit juices + super  foods like chlorella/ spirulina/ barley grass/ wheat grass etc coupled with natural topicals like tea tree oil, lavender oil that helped heal my acne along with sea salt washes/ crystal alum. As well as exercise and a healthy/ balanced lifestyle.

So, I am receptive to natural therapies because I've seen it work miracles in my own life and would like to share this knowledge with others to help them (and hopefully learn new remedies from other people too).

~Peace ~



PS Rx500, please be cognisant of the words you choose to speak and write. For they are powerful and reflect your values and shape your reality.

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Edited by aquasea, 26 May 2013 - 03:41 AM.

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Posted 23 May 2013 - 08:08 PM

Panos, I like your post smile.png
 

That's wise of you to stick with the natural oils. They are superior to store bought miosturizers. My aloe vera + marine collagen moisturizer from New Directions makes my skin look good when I apply it to my face...but the next day, my skin looks dehydrated. However, the evoo + tea tree oil is really helping my skin quality (and the tea tree oil is preventing any breakouts so far...).
 

And re your quote;" ...evoo i think it actually makes some flaws of the skin to die. Thats why we think it induces blemishes,while in

fact it makes the fibrotic skin layers to die.But when this  dead blemished skin peel off after some time,it will

reviele healthier looking skin. Just my 2 cents here.". This is very interesting to me. I never thought the breakout using evoo was a sign of healing but a sign that it wasn't ideal for my skin type...but you could be right!! I'll need to research this....

And yes, massaging helps circulate blood + nutrients to your skin!!! It also seems to help to "plump" it and thicken the skin/ induce collagen...the same principle is illustrated with a callus (i.e. if you wear a shoe that is uncomfortable, if it keeps rubbing a site, it will eventually thicken that site). The skin is really quite malleable, you just need to be consistent and have perseverance.

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Edited by aquasea, 26 May 2013 - 03:42 AM.

  • Everyone has a doctor in him or her; we just have to help it in its work. The natural healing force within each one of us is the greatest force in getting well.
  • Our food should be our medicine.
  • Walking is man's best medicine.
  • As to diseases make a habit of two things - to help, or at least, to do no harm.
  • Prayer indeed is good, but while calling on [God], a man should himself lend a hand.

All quotes by ~ Hippocrates, "Father of Modern Medicine"


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 10:30 PM

Update: Saturday 25 May 2013

I did two sessions yesterday:

Morning x 30 minutes with evoo + tea tree oil

Night x 15 minutes with evoo + tea tree oil

I also added Retin A/ Steiva A before bed along with beta glucan B3, B5 & evoo.

Today, I notice a slight improvement from yesterday. Some superficial scars and lines have nearly vanished. It seems to plump the skin and boosts the Retin A/ Steiva A product. However, be warned, immediately after the message, your skin is red and the scars are accentuated. However, the next day, they have somewhat faded.

Today, I cleansed my skin with New Directions' Gentle Cleansing Lotion and washed off. I applied evoo and massaged skin for 30 minutes and then washed off. I used a tissue to wipe off the excess oil and then applied Retin A/ Steiva A.05%. After 5 hours, and a little gentle exercise/ sunlight, my skin is looking quite good (much better than how it looked first thing this morning).

I will use, henceforth, a scale between 1 to 100 (where 1 =  my skin condition on 21 May 2013 & 100 = the healthy skin I aspire to achieve i.e. scarless, healthy, clear skin that I'm 100% satisfied has healed) to gage my progress.

At the moment, I gage my progress between 15 to 20. Not too bad at all!

Will see how it goes....

Is anyone else testing this method?


Edited by aquasea, 26 May 2013 - 03:43 AM.

  • Everyone has a doctor in him or her; we just have to help it in its work. The natural healing force within each one of us is the greatest force in getting well.
  • Our food should be our medicine.
  • Walking is man's best medicine.
  • As to diseases make a habit of two things - to help, or at least, to do no harm.
  • Prayer indeed is good, but while calling on [God], a man should himself lend a hand.

All quotes by ~ Hippocrates, "Father of Modern Medicine"


#27 aquasea

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Posted 25 May 2013 - 08:01 PM

Update: Sunday 26 May 2013

I did two sessions yesterday. Unfortunately, I used the RetinA/ Steiva A with Copper peptides for two days in a row. My skin can no longer tolerate this combination as it once did prior to my "glycolic acid " mishap. My forehead is still okay with this combination, but not the rest of my face. Which is a pity because the Retin A/ Copper peptides were doing wonders for my skin. So, to "rescue" my skin, I decided to sleep with  the evoo on my face. Which was not good. My skin doesn't like evoo left on it...

If you have sensitive skin, I don't recommend the evoo...I went to sleep with it on last night and my skin this morning has a cauliflower texture...I tried to add miosturizes etc but it did not help...so I washed everything off and just applied the beta glucan. Thankfully, my skin LOVES Beta Glucan. And 2-hours post application of beta glucan, my skin is looking a lot better, not great, just better than this morning. I will try and get the grapeseed oil (maybe even rosehip oil) and use it tonight or tomorrow for the massage therapy.

I think my skin has regressed somewhat with the Retin A & copper peptides. I did lightly single needle last night to remedy the complications, but this morning I noticed a scar on my skin that was fading but has resurfaced because the Retin A & copper peptides exfoliated my skin cells too much (and I think my skin needs to be rebuilt not exfoliated). So, even though I'm tempted to resume the retin A & copper peptides because I used them successfully in the past, my skin clearly doesn't like this combination any more..at least for a good while longer. I will, therefore, concentrate on beta glucan & vitamin topicals and possibly rosehip oil.

Today, I would say overall my skin has in some small ways improved, but in other ways, regressed, so I will say my "skin grade" is no longer 15 to 20 but a solid 15 out of 100.


Edited by aquasea, 26 May 2013 - 03:43 AM.

  • Everyone has a doctor in him or her; we just have to help it in its work. The natural healing force within each one of us is the greatest force in getting well.
  • Our food should be our medicine.
  • Walking is man's best medicine.
  • As to diseases make a habit of two things - to help, or at least, to do no harm.
  • Prayer indeed is good, but while calling on [God], a man should himself lend a hand.

All quotes by ~ Hippocrates, "Father of Modern Medicine"


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 03:50 AM

Update: Sunday Night

I only wore beta glucan today. Then later tonight, I did a full needling session. I just added beta glucan liquid over it. About 2 hours later, I trialed a new massage strategy. I will no longer use oil, but only my natural skin moisture/ oil and beta glucan liquid. For Example:

About 3 hours after applying beta glucan liquid, I massage my skin firmly yet gently with one middle finger. Concurrently, I hold a handheld mirror with the other hand while doing this for 30 minutes under good lighting so I can find all my flaws and scars that need massaging. 

It seems to be a more concentrated and targeted way of massaging my skin, and I feel that my skin actually looks better not worse after using this method. I'll see tomorrow what results...

Also, I don't recommend people buying B5 or B3 alone and using it anymore. I noticed that it works well on my forehead, but it seems to be too strong elsewhere, so if you want to use these vitamins, stick to a reputable product containing  safe amounts of these vitamins.


Edited by aquasea, 26 May 2013 - 06:28 PM.

  • Everyone has a doctor in him or her; we just have to help it in its work. The natural healing force within each one of us is the greatest force in getting well.
  • Our food should be our medicine.
  • Walking is man's best medicine.
  • As to diseases make a habit of two things - to help, or at least, to do no harm.
  • Prayer indeed is good, but while calling on [God], a man should himself lend a hand.

All quotes by ~ Hippocrates, "Father of Modern Medicine"


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Posted 26 May 2013 - 06:45 PM

Update: Monday 27 May 2013.

Skin is definitely looking MUCH better. I did, however, use a little retin A .05% in certain areas of my face for an hour and washed it off and replaced it with beta glucan. I have to be careful with it as it can accentuate my scarring if I leave it on too long (this has only happened since receiving skin burn with the glycolic acid "mishap"). However, today, my skin is significantly better and less red too. Beta Glucan liquid from New Directions is highly recommended.

I also did 100 star jumps yesterday for exercise. Had a little bit of time in the sunlight (on my face). And a scoop of chlorella/ spirulina/ barley grass/ wheat grass in my mango/ apple juice (one in the morning and one at night, so two in total, this is the brand I use https://www.synergyn...per-greens.html). I think that helped too. Along with a full skin needling session and 30 minute massage session about 2 hours post skin needling. I just added the beta glucan on my skin after the skin needling.

This morning, I see scarring is improving, redness dissipating and general skin condition is significantly better. 

It seems the single middle finger massage + beta glucan gives a more firm and effective massage...it feels like I'm rubbing out flaws. The full skin needling session also proved beneficial and boosted the massage results.

Today, I did not wash my face, only added beta glucan liquid then massaged for 30 minutes. I did, however, add a very small amount of retin A/ steiva A .05% to help my skin remodel and activate my skin cells. (If I find the retin A is too strong, I'll wash it off in the evening and only add the beta glucan).

My skin is now  estimated to be at 30 out of 100 reflecting the significant improvement I've seen overnight since stopping the oil, using beta glucan liquid only with the massage and the skin needling session.

So far so good...


Edited by aquasea, 26 May 2013 - 06:51 PM.

  • Everyone has a doctor in him or her; we just have to help it in its work. The natural healing force within each one of us is the greatest force in getting well.
  • Our food should be our medicine.
  • Walking is man's best medicine.
  • As to diseases make a habit of two things - to help, or at least, to do no harm.
  • Prayer indeed is good, but while calling on [God], a man should himself lend a hand.

All quotes by ~ Hippocrates, "Father of Modern Medicine"


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Posted 27 May 2013 - 07:16 PM

Update: Tuesday 28 May 2013.

Well, it's the half-way mark to my 2-week 30 minute daily massage test. And my face is certainly looking a LOT better. In fact, something quite remarkable happened yesterday, my face sort of 'lifted' and looked far more youthful; e.g. my nasal-labial lines looked better and lifted, and my under eye area looked plumped and far more youthful too. I think this is a secret way to stay youthful!! I know there is a device called the Wellbox that is quite expensive that is reputed to help scars etc and maintain a youthful appearance...I think the hand massages basically do the same thing. And it's not too bad. In fact, 30 minutes is not a strain at all and it also acts as an exercise for your upper arms and sides/ hip. I think I might be doing nightly 30 minute massages as an ongoing routine just for these benefits alone...

As for my scars, yes, this has helped, I would say my face is now a 40 out of 100. Even my deep surgical scar (from a mole removed and having stitches a very long time ago before the advent of non-invasive surgical procedures) has lifted and become more shallow (although, it is larger in size because the center has lifted and made the circumference larger). However, the scars/ burn marks I had on my top lip are 95% plus gone! In fact, I can hardly see them at all...however, I did use a little Retin A on them too with beta glucan...I also have a TCA acid scar mark on my forehead that was very reduced significantly with skin needling (about 70-80%), but these massages have nearly erased it completely! (NB PLEASE DON'T USE TCA ACID, IT CAN BE VERY DESTRUCTIVE, SAME GOES WITH GLYCOLIC ACID, ONLY USE A LOW STRENGTH OF GLYCOLIC ACID i.e. 10 % to begin with and work your way to 25% (over 6 to 12 months) and ONLY IF YOU HAVE VERY DAMAGED & PERVASIVE SKIN SCARRING/ SEVERE SCARRING, OTHERWISE, YOU COULD DO FAR MORE DAMAGE TO YOUR HEALTHY SKIN TISSUE!!!). My scars on left cheek through my 2nd degree skin burns are nearly healed i.e. 80-90%. The redness has nearly gone. But It was on the mend prior to these massages (BUT it took 3 months to get to this stage with using nurturing skin topicals like beta glucan/ needling etc). Even the partial skin thickness burns on my right cheek has improved and the collagen returned (but also, this is due in major part to the beta glucan and skin needling etc I have been using for 3 months; as well as exercise, good healthy nutrition, vitamins, a fresh daily juice with a scoop of super greens like chlorella/ spirulina/ barley grass/ wheat grass). Overall, my scarring is much improved. My forehead has improved, but still has a way to go...yes I ruined my forehead skin with BP etc, PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM THIS PRODUCT IF YOU WANT HEALTHY SKIN LONGTERM...My forehead skin cell's DNA were damaged severely by BP...but I see they are looking better and healthier...the massaging has helped plump it up and lessen the scarring too. My other acne scarring have healed considerably too. However, I don't have ice-pick or box-car scarring...but I feel my surgical scar would be on par if not more deeper than any ice-pick or box car scar, and my surgical scar is healing well with the massaging.

I only did one 30 minute massage yesterday. However, last night, I placed 100% rosehip oil (by Thursday Plantation) on my skin. It has vitamin A (natural retinoic acid), omega 3, 6, 9 and is non-greasy (it's called a dry oil). It did not make me break out this morning...Rosehip oil is scientifically reported to improve scars, wrinkles, burns even stretchmarks....so I'll see how it goes...
 

I did a 30 minute massage session this morning with both beta glucan + rosehip oil using my middle finger (alternating between the pad and tip of the finger) under good lighting with a handheld mirror to target the scars etc. I know my skin loves beta glucan liquid by New Directions, I hope it also loves Thursday Plantation's Rosehip oil as I think my skin needs a natural oil to properly nourish it..hopefully this is the one oil that it responds positively to and loves...


 


Edited by aquasea, 27 May 2013 - 07:26 PM.

  • Everyone has a doctor in him or her; we just have to help it in its work. The natural healing force within each one of us is the greatest force in getting well.
  • Our food should be our medicine.
  • Walking is man's best medicine.
  • As to diseases make a habit of two things - to help, or at least, to do no harm.
  • Prayer indeed is good, but while calling on [God], a man should himself lend a hand.

All quotes by ~ Hippocrates, "Father of Modern Medicine"


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 05:30 AM

Aquasea,

 

I have been following your posts and I have a few questions:

 

1) I have noticed that in your earlier posts you have certain information "with a line through it", as if the information was "crossed out" our should be removed. Is the meant to be an underline to emphasize the info. It info looks "crossed out" whether I am using an Apple or PC browser.

 

2) You mentioned that your scars seemed to have "lifted". That would be the surgical scar and other, I presume,  rolling scars. Are these considered tethered or non-tethered.  You seem to indicate that the scars are being "released" in some fashion so that indented scars can rise, at least in your case. Is that about right?  Are suggesting that perhaps the "tether" that holds indented rolling scars may be able to be broken by massage?

 

3) Beta glucan- The company you provided for beta glucan does not provide the percent of beta glucan in the solution. From what I have read it seems that 1% is optimal, and more will have no additional benefits. I also see he did not specify the source of the beta glucan (oat, yeast, mushroom or barley) and I have noticed there are some other chemicals in the solution. Perhaps some of the other ingredients are providing some of the benefits you see.  Your thoughts.

 

Thanks.


Edited by john777, 28 May 2013 - 07:39 AM.


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 08:53 AM

Hi John777

Great questions! Here are my answers:

1. I placed a strike through several items as I am no longer using these products in my massage therapy (or only tiny amounts as specified). Essentially, I want to show that I no longer advocate evoo, and don't advocate Retin A as the principal topical used in my massaging.  [Retin A helped my skin tremendously before I burned my skin, but now, it's far too aggressive and accentuates my scars, same goes with copper peptides....I wish I could return to them knowing how effective they were in the past, but now, they are detrimental to my skin, as I believe my skin is thinned/ fragile post burns]. Besides, it's possible that the topicals are secondary to the actual massage itself. And I don't want to advocate/ or give the impression of advocating evoo to others as it made my skin texture like "cauliflower"...not good...whereas the beta glucan liquid does not break out my skin but leaves it looking healthy (i.e.  I can clearly see  that my skin texture looks healthier e.g. red areas have subsided and I have seen it regenerate new skin tissue in face after applying it post burns). However, please do your own thorough research on this product and choose a product you find beneficial (and has no contraindications and has been scientifically verified as safe & effective). I will also contact New Directions and ask more questions which I'll share on this board. It might be a good idea to contact them directly too or send an email with your questions.

2. I don't have box car or ice pick scars. I did have shallow rolling scars. And with my burns, I received scars that were shaped like x marks and stars (I know that sounds weird, but that's what they were). I also skin needled too early when I burned my skin (i.e. when my skin was still very thin/ fragile, I made many line scars across my cheeks and sort of dig/ puncture holes in my skin too...but these are now 90- 95% gone, the massaging has really cleared them up!). Others were more like typical burn marks where the skin is 'seared'/ silvery...and I have a TCA scar on my forehead (and through the more recent glycolic acid mishap, near my mouth and on my forehead and a few on my cheek - I also have some areas of skin with 'dips' where collagen is missing - and I did have partial skin thickness burns, where there are several different layers of skin heights...but the beta glucan really helped, as did the later needling, and now the massaging has really boosted the healing ); i,e, these areas on my skin that have had dips or deep lines/ crevices and other areas missing collagen (as a result of the second degree burns) have since plumped up with the massaging and healed/ smoothed!

Thus, my scarring is a mixture of many types of scarring...i.e. - Surgical scars, 3 of them in total, caused by a PS through surgical mole removal before non-invasive techniques - i.e. cuts and stitches were used. (Two of them have really improved by needling in the past, and the major one that is really depressed has really lifted since massaging. I think it was rather deep and strongly tethered. I have been needling it in the past too, but it seems to be "lifting" with the massaging. Give me another week and I'll confirm whether it is mere micro-swelling or truly healing. But I think it's healing, because it looks bigger but more shallow). - Smaller scars/ burn scars (that are not deep or tethered) - these get a red outline after massaging for a few days, and then seem to lift...the red outline then fades and the skin is smoothed etc  However, most of my scarring, including the burns, have improved with skin needling & key active topicals. The massaging is helping a lot now too.

Overall, apart from my surgical scars, I would not say my scars are very deep. But the burn scars were pervasive. Also, I'm sure if I had not intervened, the burn scars could have set as rigid scars instead of remodeling and healing as well as they did. And yes, every scar can heal and remodel. It just takes time and good healthy living, good mesotherapy & good topicals i.e. great overall health, nutrition and exercise is very important to help speed-up natural healing and produce innate growth factors/ collagen. So, if the overall body is unhealthy, I don't think massaging would help a great deal and skin needling results minimal. A wholistic approach to healing is key

Re my general complexion/ skin texture: it was severely damaged from harsh topicals which has been difficult to rectify (i.e. coarse, irregular, not smooth under harsh lighting). I also had pervasive redness and visible capillaries on my cheek/ nose...I think it's the early stages of rosacea from BP. Furthermore, my forehead was ruined by BP. i.e. it was leathery, coarse and bumpy. 

Lastly, my face is 'lifting' and plumping-up through the massage i.e. looking more youthful and healthy...in fact, I think I'm getting the same effects/ results as using this expensive machine!!! http://en.wellbox.com/

Essentially, I'm at the stage where I can use tinted coverage on my face and most of it looks quite good (apart from my forehead, which is obviously still damaged and my surgical scar/ TCA scar/ and some remaining burn marks/ scars), but I'd like to not wear tinted coverage and just have clear skin (like we all do!). So, I'm testing the massaging. And I'll let you know truthfully how well it goes. And of course, you can test it yourself. And then you'll know for yourself...

3. New Directions beta glucan liquid is a wonderful product with no contraindications I've seen thus far...only positives. Please look at research citing beta glucan for healing burns, cancer, scars, diseases etc. Beta glucan, therefore, is obviously the key active ingredient helping my skin in the New Directions product. There may be other brands out there (in fact, if you look at scar therapy products/ many - if not most - cite beta glucan), however, this New Directions brand is one I can vouchsafe as effective on my own skin, so I can recommend it.

You could contact New Directions directly for more info about the product and ask them specifically what type of beta glucan derivative it contains...however, it does work...but feel free to shop around, there may be a superior product, to this brand and if so, please let me know! But you're right about the chemicals, I'm not enthusiastic about the preservative/ solution stabilizers, but they are pretty stock standard in dermatological products...if I source a beta glucan product without the chemical additives I'll let you know...it's always best to stay away from any additives.

[NB ***They also have pure beta glucan powder but I have not tried it and only mixtures containing 1% - 5 % pure beta glucan is recommended.  After using pure B5 and B3 from New Directions (which I dissolved in their moisturizer Marine Collagen + Aloe Vera before applying it, I noticed that initially my skin loved these vitamins - especially my forehead - but that other parts of my skin 'overreacted' i.e. the B3 really lightened my decolletage, it's also toxic at high doses so you need to ensure you only use the stipulated safe amount (which is a very tiny amount) ... so I think B3 & possibly B5 (although I think this is milder) may have the potential to negatively affect the skin if not used correctly, so best to stick with reputable dermatological products containing safe doses of B3 and not use the pure ingredient only...however, I should add that I think in reality, B3 doesn't truly lighten skin, it only rectifies skin damage/ photo-damage which may appear as lightened skin, but in reality, is damaged skin returning to its natural healthy coloring sans skin damage. However, the difference was stark, so much so that I'd like to do more research about the optimal dosage before I trial it on my skin again. So, yes, they are great to use, but you must be TRULY certain of the dose...otherwise, it seems these pure ingredients are powerful and could possibly have contraindications if not properly applied at the safe dosage/ and won't scar the skin]. That's why I recommend their beta glucan liquid...it's ready for application***.


Anyway, I probably babbled too much here...sorry about that ! And it's quite late so hopefully what I wrote makes sense!

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Edited by aquasea, 28 May 2013 - 06:13 PM.

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Posted 28 May 2013 - 09:38 AM

PS Please scroll down this page http://www.maroctele...04-wellbox.html and you will see a 'before and after picture' of a woman under the heading:

LA BEAUTE AVEC WELLBOX

...this is what my manual hand massage seems to do, it lifts your face and makes it more youthful/ healthy!


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  • Our food should be our medicine.
  • Walking is man's best medicine.
  • As to diseases make a habit of two things - to help, or at least, to do no harm.
  • Prayer indeed is good, but while calling on [God], a man should himself lend a hand.

All quotes by ~ Hippocrates, "Father of Modern Medicine"


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 07:33 PM

Update: Wednesday, 29 May 2013

The New Directions beta glucan liquid + Thursday Plantation's 100% Rosehip oil are going really well with the daily 30 minute massage. My skin seems to really like the Rosehip oil and so far, no breakouts.

I did one 30 minute session yesterday, and went for a walk for exercise.

I would say that my forehead has improved on a scale of 30 - 40 out of 100

But my below my eyebrows (i.e. the rest of my face/ cheeks/ chin etc) has improved at least by 50 out of 100!!! Massaging is ABSOLUTELY working for me!!!

E.g:

 

  • Specifically, my major deep surgical scar is far more shallow and has faded incredibly - by at least 50% prior to starting this massage!! This is great news that I hope inspires people with ice-pick and box car scars!!!!! If it can help my deep surgical scar heal [that was cut and stitched-up), then it can help all types of scars!!!!!

 

  • My general redness has gone down by 50%

 

  • I had a small indent on the tip of my nose that has plumped out (still a little red but no longer an indent!).

 

  • Scars on my chin have nearly gone.

 

  • Large burn marks and redness on my left cheek healed by at least 50%-70% - very light now !!!

 

  • Large/ long 'dip' on the lower side of my mouth (smooth line that looked like missing collagen - I received this after the burn), has 95% plumped up and faded!!

 

  • Right side burn marks (more silvery/ seared in appearance and extensive improved by 50% - now very easy to cover-up with tinted coverage)

 

  • TCA burn mark/ rather deep and big on forehead 90% - improvement

 

  •  General skin texture improvement 30 - 40 out of 100.

 

  • Under-eyes - far more youthful, plump, healthy looking!!! 70 out of 100 improvement

 

  • Nasal - labial lines - far more youthful, lifted !!! 70 out of  100 improvement

 

  • Bridge of nose (i.e. between the eyebrows) - far more youthful, plumped !!! 70 out of 100 improvement


Great result!!! This is clearly not quackery!!!! I have another week to go, so we'll see how far these positive changes can go....


PS Please note: I did do one full skin needling session during this massage therapy treatment (and pricked my skin with a single needle a few times early in the treatment). I also did use a little Retin A a few times (I think maybe 3 times - and sometimes only briefly before I washed it off at it was too strong for my post-burn skin - I applied beta glucan liquid instead. However, if you can tolerate it/ and don't go overboard/ I think Retin A does wonders for severely scarred or damaged skin texture...not sure if it is advisable to keep using this product long-term though...of course, you can reassess your skin daily and choose to use Retin A rarely or weekly or just use it short term until your skin is improved and until you find a more nourishing/ gentle/ natural topical to use instead of the Retin A. Please thoroughly research the positives and negatives of Retin A use to make an informed decision).

Essentially, I noted the aforementioned as they may have influenced the results somewhat. However, the massaging is clearly helping my skin. Also, I truly believe the chlorella/ spirulina/ barley grass/ wheat grass super food scoop (i.e. https://www.synergyn...per-greens.html) in a fresh juice daily is really boosting my results. I also take a potent quality multivitamin/ mineral daily and gently exercise (as well catch a little direct sunshine on my face for vitamin D). I also eat very healthy, vegan, natural, mostly raw, wholefoods, organic, quinoa, mushrooms, kiwi fruit/ apples/ fruit/ vegetables/ seeds/ nuts/ rice/ fresh lemon juice & flaxseed oil on salads plus salt + pepper, hummus, lentils, chickpeas, peas, raw kale, 85% cocoa vegan dark chocolate, evoo, berries, sprouts, carrots, pumpkin, spices like turmeric/ thyme etc, fresh raw herbs - coriander/ mint/ flat parsley/ thyme etc, non- GMO foods, vegan meals/ vegan sausages/ vegan patties etc, red spanish onion, spring water, fresh juice, baked potatoes/ sweet potatoes (even healthy seeded bread or traditional breads like Turkish/ Wraps/ Lebanese/ Pita bread - but I try and avoid gluten as far as possible) etc  

PPS, I also eat honey, like manuka honey/ raw honey...I know some vegans are against the consumption of honey, but I'm not opposed to honey use as I believe the bees are free to fly as they will and the honey has many potent health benefits...e.g. I like to take a cup of hot water, squeeze a fresh lemon wedge in it, then place the lemon wedge directly in the cup of hot water, and add a spoon of honey. This is my equivalent of a coffee/ tea (NB please avoid coffee/ tea as they can leech minerals/ vitamins from the body...they can also induce acne!). I also like vegan organic cocoa/ cacoa in hot water for a hot chocolate drink.

PPPS There's a detox treatment called the 'master cleanse' that uses organic quality 100% maple syrup/ fresh lemon juice/ organic cayenne pepper etc to help the body detox. I have not used it yet, but it looks quite good.




 


Edited by aquasea, 29 May 2013 - 05:37 PM.

  • Everyone has a doctor in him or her; we just have to help it in its work. The natural healing force within each one of us is the greatest force in getting well.
  • Our food should be our medicine.
  • Walking is man's best medicine.
  • As to diseases make a habit of two things - to help, or at least, to do no harm.
  • Prayer indeed is good, but while calling on [God], a man should himself lend a hand.

All quotes by ~ Hippocrates, "Father of Modern Medicine"


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Posted 28 May 2013 - 10:14 PM

Thanks for keeping us posted with your progress aquasea, i hope (at least some of) your improvements are permanent.

 

I don't have much to add but i found a topic of a french guy claiming great results with simple massages

 

http://www.acne.org/...-rolling-scars/



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Posted 28 May 2013 - 11:45 PM

Hi Miko :)

Thanx for your reply. And you're very welcome :) I hope this information is useful to you and others and that this non-invasive method is successful so others can benefit from it too...

And thanx for notifying me of the other poster. That is very encouraging to read !! He doesn't seem to be active anymore on this board so maybe the massaging did work long-term?

Yes, I will continue with this reporting everyday for another week and give my overall verdict. I also would really like to resume the retin a/ steiva a .05% topical (as it really helps the appearance of skin greatly), but I think I won't be able to use it  for a while until my skin fully heals. However, I will continue with skin needling.

Have a great day  :)

 


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  • Our food should be our medicine.
  • Walking is man's best medicine.
  • As to diseases make a habit of two things - to help, or at least, to do no harm.
  • Prayer indeed is good, but while calling on [God], a man should himself lend a hand.

All quotes by ~ Hippocrates, "Father of Modern Medicine"


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Posted 29 May 2013 - 06:13 PM

Update: Thursday, 30 May 2013

I did a 1-hour massage session in one sitting yesterday. I actually enjoyed the massage as I could see such a vast improvement to my skin - so much so that it encourages me to massage longer. I concentrated on key problem areas and my forehead.

I would grade my progress as the same as above, but the only changes I'd make is my skin texture is now a 50 out of 100; and my forehead is a 50 out of 100 too !!!

What I'd also like to note is that I used New Directions' beta glucan liquid  + Thursday Plantation's 100% rosehip oil for the massage in the day - but at night, I only wore the 100% rosehip oil to sleep.

The Thursday Plantation's rosehip oil is AMAZING!!! NO contraindications, and no breakouts (which I don't get anymore and I'm glad to see this oil doesn't make me breakout either). If you don't buy the beta glucan liquid, at least buy this quality organic 100% rosehip oil. It contains vitamin c, omega 3, 6, 7, 9 and retinoic acid (vitamin A). So, it's sort of like retin A without the irritating factors. It soothes, nourishes, heals, strengthens and builds the skin from within!!! I can't believe I have overlooked this incredible natural oil. Please folks, I'm not exaggerating...do yourself a favor and BUY Thursday Plantation's 100% rosehip oil and use it at least every night before bed (and in the morning if you want too). It is non-greasy (it is called a dry-oil) and leaves your skin silky, balanced, hydrated and glowing!!!

Also, I drank a carrot/ apple/ ginger juice with my scoop of super greens (chlorella/ spiulina/ barley grass/ wheatgrass) and took my multivitamin. I also drank my honey and fresh lemon juice (with the lemon wedge left in the hot cup of water while I drank it) during the course of the day and night. I recommend this drink, it feeds your brain, detoxes your body and clarifies your skin. (You can also use a quality organic 100% maple syrup instead of the honey).  Drink this instead of coffee/ teas etc and junk soda drinks (which leech minerals/ vitamins out of your body) and your body/ mind/ skin/ soul will thank you smile.png

All of got to say is that this massage treatment WORKS!!! Yes, Panos, YOU were right!!! smile.png

Now, I will continue to massage with the beta glucan liquid + rosehip oil in the day, and only wear the rosehip oil to bed at night (because, I only want 100% natural products on my face to replenish/ nourish/ heal/ rebuild my skin  while I sleep, and the beta glucan liquid has preservatives etc in it (which John777 noted - thanks John777)...100% natural/ safe/ effective products are always best for your skin.

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Edited by aquasea, 29 May 2013 - 06:24 PM.

  • Everyone has a doctor in him or her; we just have to help it in its work. The natural healing force within each one of us is the greatest force in getting well.
  • Our food should be our medicine.
  • Walking is man's best medicine.
  • As to diseases make a habit of two things - to help, or at least, to do no harm.
  • Prayer indeed is good, but while calling on [God], a man should himself lend a hand.

All quotes by ~ Hippocrates, "Father of Modern Medicine"


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Posted 30 May 2013 - 09:15 PM

Update: Friday 31 May 2012

Well, my skin is looking good today, and like Miko stated, hopefully it's permanent...

My overall skin is now a 60 to 70 out of 100 ...yes, so much improved i.e. more even tone, less redness, more smoother, scars healing...HOWEVER...

I did a 1-hour vigorous massage on my skin last night, and right afterwards my skin looked REALLY BAD i.e. my scars were accentuated, the partial thickness burn lines had reappeared, my surgical scar deepened, and the scar on my chin resurfaced again....even my forehead looked bad...I couldn't believe it! So, I got my single needle and pricked the surgical scar and the pronounced scar on my chin and one on my cheek till little drops of blood appeared. Also, about 2-hours post my 1-hour massage session, I did a full skin roll session with the 0.25mm needle from Clearskincare.com.au and then generously applied the beta glucan liquid and the rosehip oil. When I woke-up this morning, my skin looked soooooooo much better!!

What on earth is happening to my skin? Obviously, the scars are still present, but the massage is fading them away - or is it micro-swelling?

Well, it seems to me that my skin is still in the process of being remodeled. And it takes 1-month for skin cells to renew and 2-3 months for collagen to rebuild. It also takes at least 1-year for damaged skin to resume it's original tencile strength. See diagram below....

http://en.wikipedia....i/Wound_healing
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Also, it took this person 2-years to fully recover from his deep scarring....

http://www.truthinag...-removing-scars (Thanks for the link NUBY3)


So, I'm thinking that my skin is trying very hard to rebuild itself, but it will take 12-months to make the changes permanent IMHO. So, I need to be careful what I do with my skin. Thus, I'm not going to massage for 1-hour, only 1/2 hour, and I will also leave my skin a few days, maybe even for a week or more (?) to allow the skin cells to properly rebuild/ remodel/ heal. So, I guess on I'm on this skin remodeling 'train ride' for another 12-months....

At least I know the massage helps, as does the single intensive needling on major scars and the full skin needling rolling too. I would say that:

  • Daily 30 minute massages are good for: general skin tone/ texture/ redness/ glow factor/ health factor/ youthfulness/ tautness/ superficial scars/ superficial lines/ crevices/ burn scars/ partial thickness burns & lines.
  • Intensive individual skin needling is good for: deeper scarring/ deeper wrinkles/ targeting key isolated scar area.
  • Full skin needling/ rolling with 0.25mm needle is great for: waking-up the skin's auto healing response mechanism; improving skin texture/ improving all types of scarring; activating your skin's remodeling mechanism; enable the deeper penetration of healing skin topicals like beta glucan liquid and rosehip oil; faster natural healing times/ processes; enhancing your skin's overall health/ texture/ look...



Retin A/ Steiva A is also fantastic for improving skin tone/ rough skin texture/ orange peel skin/ scarring. However, some people find Retin A too aggressive for their skin and it doesn't help them. I would advise these people to try Rosehip oil or an organic skin product with Retinaldehyde (e.g. see Pure Skin Junkie etc); a much gentle form of Retin A. But don't use peels or other aggressive treatment while using Retin A...it will thin the top layer of skin making it very sensitive and far more susceptible to MAJOR damage. Pure vitamin E is also great under eyes, it stops you from getting wrinkles if used night/ day - just don't squint/ stretch your skin around eyes/ and try not to squint when smiling (at least when you can avoid it).

Lastly, I'd like to share this link: How to make a scar vanish: There are a host of treatments but do any of them work? | Mail Online . It had some interesting info...I'm thinking of getting a handheld facial massage gadget...I also thought the ointments listed were interesting too...has anyone used any of these listed products containing silicon or collayxl?

 





 


Edited by aquasea, 31 May 2013 - 05:23 AM.

  • Everyone has a doctor in him or her; we just have to help it in its work. The natural healing force within each one of us is the greatest force in getting well.
  • Our food should be our medicine.
  • Walking is man's best medicine.
  • As to diseases make a habit of two things - to help, or at least, to do no harm.
  • Prayer indeed is good, but while calling on [God], a man should himself lend a hand.

All quotes by ~ Hippocrates, "Father of Modern Medicine"


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Posted 31 May 2013 - 04:10 AM

Aqua sea,just take it slow,as you also say.

Sometimes skin looks good,sometimes bad.

Do your massage to bring high quality blood there(all the nutritients from a healthy plant diet).

 

It will take time.But remember that you are building also your whole health! 

If i knew how much impact diet has on skin,i would be in a better position years later.

Comfrey rocks for organic plant calcium.Also the ointment rocks cause it splits the cells

and renews the skin.I have to obtain it asap.


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Posted 31 May 2013 - 06:20 AM

Yes, Panos, I won't massage my skin tonight, I'll just give it a rest for one night, and I'll see what it looks like tomorrow...
 

Re "Comfrey rocks for organic plant calcium. Also the ointment rocks cause it splits the cells and renews the skin."... that sounds great !! I will look into it...cheers smile.png.


And you're absolutely right about the bad diet link with acne. As an adolescent, I had doctors/ dermatologists tell me diet does not cause acne...so I ate a typical teenage diet, i.e. chips, hot chips, fast food, tap water, dairy, lollies, lots of meat, soda, McDonalds, Pizza, KFC, ketchup etc...my skin was horrendous, but all the "experts" kept telling me it wasn't food causing my bad skin, it was hormones etc (and I believed them, because I saw friends eating the same things and they had clear skin - but their bodies were also being damaged, but in a hidden way - possibly in a worse way too, because the damage surfaces in such people as cancer/ illness/ disease/ diabetes etc...essentially, acne prone skin is a super efficient detox system expelling toxins efficiently from the body through the skin [NB I read here on this board a while ago that one girl had her severe cystic acne contents analyzed by a toxicologist and it turns out it was filled with PLASTIC!!! Yes, PLASTIC!!! Her body was expelling poison/ plastic that could have seriously harmed her body...and her cystic acne was her body's way of trying to save and heal her, not hurt her, but a way to expel severe toxins from her body....now, what if this plastic got stuck in her body, liver, blood or brain, would she have become susceptible to cancer etc???

So, yes, our food/ water etc are contaminated by toxins via "bad food/ GMO/ tap water/ fluoride/ parabens/ aspartame/ toxic drinks/ sodas/ microwaves/ BPA/ plastic/ pesticides/ vaccines etc", and our skin is the first line of defence where these toxins are released...but if they are not released there, then it stays in the system and other organs will try to expel them like the liver/ lymphatic system...but if there is toxin overload, the organ gets damaged and disease sets in...that's why detoxing is so important & eating super nutritiously to strengthen the immune system - and saunas are also great for releasing toxins by helping us sweat - so we must avoid GMO, MSG, additives, gluten, corn syrup, aspartame, pharmaceutical drugs, toxic dairy, toxic meats, toxic fish, toxic modern wheat/ grains hybrids [whereas ancient varieties of grains are good for you i.e. Amaranth etc], vaccines, fluoride, tap water, non-organic food, toxic junk foods/ drinks/ sodas/ energy drinks/ sports drink...just research Dr Rima Laibow & nutricide for more info or see www.naturalnews.com .

So, anyway, my dermatologists gave me toxic pills/ horrible harsh topicals/ squeezed my skin etc...and my acne got worse....and then I discovered BP...I thought I found a miracle product...but, by the time it stopped working it had TOTALLY ruined my skin, and the acne came back, along with scars & horrible textured skin...only when I became vegetarian (for ethical reasons) did my skin start to get better, and then I started using cruelty free natural products, learning about natural health, and finally, when I became vegan (and used sea salt wash/ tea tree oil and ate nutritiously) for ethical reasons - my acne cleared 100%.  If I had known there's an irrefutable link between a bad "western" diet/ chemical toxic acne products & acne back in my teens, I would have had clear skin in my teens and no scarring right now too (as you've also stated Panos). However, it was the harsh toxic acne chemical laced products and harsh acne washes that pushed my skin over the edge where it started scarring...

But, now we know, and now we can heal...and hopefully, people will start to wake-up to the truth, stop living in denial, and start eating well, gently detoxing and using natural health remedies.


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Edited by aquasea, 31 May 2013 - 05:51 PM.

  • Everyone has a doctor in him or her; we just have to help it in its work. The natural healing force within each one of us is the greatest force in getting well.
  • Our food should be our medicine.
  • Walking is man's best medicine.
  • As to diseases make a habit of two things - to help, or at least, to do no harm.
  • Prayer indeed is good, but while calling on [God], a man should himself lend a hand.

All quotes by ~ Hippocrates, "Father of Modern Medicine"





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