Jump to content

Photo

You Want To See Cortisone Atrophy? I'll Show You Atrophy.


211 replies to this topic

#121 JennaBean

JennaBean

    Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 120
    Likes: 8
About Me
  • Joined: 31-July 13

Posted 03 September 2013 - 05:22 PM

So I went to my derm today....she injected saline into my area of atrophy. Soooooo get this!! The saline itself does NOTHING for the atrophy! What actually helps it, it the needle injection!! A controlled wound is created which makes the body work to produce more collagen! Crazy! So we'll see! Going back in 3 weeks for another one.

Here's a question too: do your derms charge you for this?! I left without having pay for it, but was given a handout on saline injections and its says......six injections for $840!!!!!! Insurance doesn't cover them I guess?! What the heck! Better not get a $100+ bill from my derm for a damn saline injection!

#122 JennaBean

JennaBean

    Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 120
    Likes: 8
About Me
  • Joined: 31-July 13

Posted 03 September 2013 - 06:05 PM

And also, what's devisating to me, my derm said that it might not go back to what it was :-(. She said that she's never seen it be permanent on the face, but it might not go back to what it was.

#123 Ladolcevita95

Ladolcevita95

    New Member

  • Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 16
    Likes: 5
About Me
  • Gender:Female
  • Joined: 26-May 13

Posted 03 September 2013 - 06:14 PM

LOL I like you're title! It really draws the reader lol. Anyways, I'm really sorry about what happened to you! I'm glad you decided to get a new derm, lmao you should deff sue, jk. It's really not thaat bad, and in time and with the right procedures, I'm sure it'll get better (: Haha I totally get how you feel with cortisone. Hate corticosteroids or anything related to cortisone :P



#124 Supernova30

Supernova30

    Junior Member

  • Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 43
    Likes: 5
About Me
  • Gender:Female
  • Joined: 31-July 13

Achievements

     

Posted 04 September 2013 - 11:26 PM

Oh man you guys, I'm feeling really discouraged right now. I think I overestimated my improvement before. I really think it's barely half way there, if that. So hard to tell. I've had two saline injections now over the span of five weeks and though they helped, it hasn't been as much improvement as some others have reported and has left me disappointed. It's been about 4 months since the cortisone injection and about 3.5 months since the atrophy started (though it continued to worsen for probably a month so I'm not sure where to start counting). I'm so worried this will never heal. I've never had scarring anywhere near this level before and I know if I had left the cyst alone it would have left basically no scar behind as I don't scar that easily.

For those who say their denting was permanent, do you mean it left a small scar behind? Does anyone have *major* denting that lasts permanently? I can't imagine going through life with a noticeable dent in my face (not a little pockmark, an actual dent). It's a divot on my chin at least 1/4 inch round in kind of a canyon shape that I can still really feel when I run my finger over it.

#125 JennaBean

JennaBean

    Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 120
    Likes: 8
About Me
  • Joined: 31-July 13

Posted 05 September 2013 - 11:13 AM

Oh man you guys, I'm feeling really discouraged right now. I think I overestimated my improvement before. I really think it's barely half way there, if that. So hard to tell. I've had two saline injections now over the span of five weeks and though they helped, it hasn't been as much improvement as some others have reported and has left me disappointed. It's been about 4 months since the cortisone injection and about 3.5 months since the atrophy started (though it continued to worsen for probably a month so I'm not sure where to start counting). I'm so worried this will never heal. I've never had scarring anywhere near this level before and I know if I had left the cyst alone it would have left basically no scar behind as I don't scar that easily.
For those who say their denting was permanent, do you mean it left a small scar behind? Does anyone have *major* denting that lasts permanently? I can't imagine going through life with a noticeable dent in my face (not a little pockmark, an actual dent). It's a divot on my chin at least 1/4 inch round in kind of a canyon shape that I can still really feel when I run my finger over it.


Geez I'm in the same boat! Mine has improved SLOWLY but I'm at about 13 weeks so I guess I'll have to wait a few more months. My derm said 6 months it take for these things to fill in. But the good news.....she told me she has never seen it be permanent on the face before. I also have scaring, it's like a scar around the atrophy. It's so hard to explain! Supernova, you should look into getting filler put it. It really filled up the deep hole the kenalog created. While it didn't help with the thinned skin, atleast I don't have a damn hole in my face.

#126 Supernova30

Supernova30

    Junior Member

  • Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 43
    Likes: 5
About Me
  • Gender:Female
  • Joined: 31-July 13

Achievements

     

Posted 05 September 2013 - 11:51 AM

Oh man you guys, I'm feeling really discouraged right now. I think I overestimated my improvement before. I really think it's barely half way there, if that. So hard to tell. I've had two saline injections now over the span of five weeks and though they helped, it hasn't been as much improvement as some others have reported and has left me disappointed. It's been about 4 months since the cortisone injection and about 3.5 months since the atrophy started (though it continued to worsen for probably a month so I'm not sure where to start counting). I'm so worried this will never heal. I've never had scarring anywhere near this level before and I know if I had left the cyst alone it would have left basically no scar behind as I don't scar that easily.
For those who say their denting was permanent, do you mean it left a small scar behind? Does anyone have *major* denting that lasts permanently? I can't imagine going through life with a noticeable dent in my face (not a little pockmark, an actual dent). It's a divot on my chin at least 1/4 inch round in kind of a canyon shape that I can still really feel when I run my finger over it.


Geez I'm in the same boat! Mine has improved SLOWLY but I'm at about 13 weeks so I guess I'll have to wait a few more months. My derm said 6 months it take for these things to fill in. But the good news.....she told me she has never seen it be permanent on the face before. I also have scaring, it's like a scar around the atrophy. It's so hard to explain! Supernova, you should look into getting filler put it. It really filled up the deep hole the kenalog created. While it didn't help with the thinned skin, atleast I don't have a damn hole in my face.

 

I'm getting another saline injection today (my third) and hoping for the best. I think I'm going to follow through with the recommended course of 4-5 saline injections and hope that it speeds up the healing. If I don't see noticeable improvement in the next month or so, I think I might consider getting a filler. Honestly though, I'm not even sure where to get that done. So far all my treatment is with my family physician and getting in to see a dermatologist will take months (I'm in Canada).

 

I'm trying not to let this get to me too much and my stress about it varies daily (or hourly) - sometimes I think it doesn't seem so bad/noticeable but other times I'm just like 'Crap, there is DENT on my face! Of course everyone can see it!' I wish I knew objectively how noticeable it really was to others in the real world eusa_think.gif



#127 JennaBean

JennaBean

    Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 120
    Likes: 8
About Me
  • Joined: 31-July 13

Posted 05 September 2013 - 12:02 PM

I really think the saline helps. I've read a ton of articles about saline injection treatments for atrophy. I had my first one done on Tuesday and noticed SLIGHT improvement. But my derm said I will need several.
I bet you'll notice a big difference after the one you do today. Saline does nothing for it. It's the actual needle that does. It creates a controlled wound that makes the body produce collagen to "heal" the wound. The derm office I'm going to, Dr. sire's office, is the one that discovered the treatment. They all swear by it.

I'm the same way you are. Some days I'm ok....other days, I obsess over it. So I totally get it

#128 Supernova30

Supernova30

    Junior Member

  • Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 43
    Likes: 5
About Me
  • Gender:Female
  • Joined: 31-July 13

Achievements

     

Posted 05 September 2013 - 12:16 PM

I really think the saline helps. I've read a ton of articles about saline injection treatments for atrophy. I had my first one done on Tuesday and noticed SLIGHT improvement. But my derm said I will need several.
I bet you'll notice a big difference after the one you do today. Saline does nothing for it. It's the actual needle that does. It creates a controlled wound that makes the body produce collagen to "heal" the wound. The derm office I'm going to, Dr. sire's office, is the one that discovered the treatment. They all swear by it.

I'm the same way you are. Some days I'm ok....other days, I obsess over it. So I totally get it

 

I'd be very interested to hear anything else they recommend at Dr.Sire's office regarding the saline injections (frequency, number, expected healing time, etc) since they clearly have the most experience with them! My doctor has never done this before (it's the first time he's seen atrophy from a cortisone injection, lucky me) and is just following the directions from the Goldman article I brought him. So basically we're both flying blind here! 



#129 JennaBean

JennaBean

    Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 120
    Likes: 8
About Me
  • Joined: 31-July 13

Posted 05 September 2013 - 12:25 PM

They say it takes about 6 treatments. But everyone is different and it may be less.
When I had mine done on Tuesday, she did 2 small injections, the needle is soooo tiny! It didn't bruise! I was soooo worried about it bruising. It looked like she did one injection at the bottom and one at the top. And honestly, I really think it did simulate collagen because one small area on one side filled in.

And also, she told me to plan on 6 months for it to heal. So I guess I have 3 more freaking months.

#130 Supernova30

Supernova30

    Junior Member

  • Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 43
    Likes: 5
About Me
  • Gender:Female
  • Joined: 31-July 13

Achievements

     

Posted 05 September 2013 - 12:32 PM

Oh that's great to hear an area filled in! Do the injections affect the filler you have at all?

I'll try and take comfort in hearing that it might take 6 injections - I've only had 2 so far and I guess I expected them to be more of a miracle cure. If it's the needle that really creates the healing (rather than saline washing away remaining cortisone or something) then I guess more injections is the key.



#131 JennaBean

JennaBean

    Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 120
    Likes: 8
About Me
  • Joined: 31-July 13

Posted 05 September 2013 - 12:45 PM

I asked her about it affecting the filler and she said it shouldn't. The only thing that dissolves filler is a substance called hylauronic ace? Might have the spelling wrong on that one.
I mean, I'm sure the saline does wash away remaining amounts of kenalog, but my derm said at 3 months (since I've had the kenalog) it's all gone by now.
Keep me updated about your treatment today!
How deep is your atrophy? At two weeks after my injection, I noticed mine. It almost looked like the user on here Ughhhhh, the larger one she had. But mine wasn't as wide. But pretty deep

#132 Supernova30

Supernova30

    Junior Member

  • Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 43
    Likes: 5
About Me
  • Gender:Female
  • Joined: 31-July 13

Achievements

     

Posted 05 September 2013 - 01:34 PM

It's hard to describe (I think each of these damn dents has a life of their own!) and I can't bring myself to start photographing it. But mine is on the side edge of my chin and has an underlying canyon that is similar in size to the two lines Ughhh had. I can definitely feel the canyon underneath but visually you mostly just see a round spot of about 1/4 inch where I guess the most atrophy occurred and where the discoloration is. Depth at its worst is probably just a bit less than Ughhh had. When I tilt my head down to see it in profile it looks to be about 2 mm deep now (that sounds like it should be small so why does it look and feel so huge?!). Probably was at 3-4mm deep at its worst but I'm just guessing here.

#133 JennaBean

JennaBean

    Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 120
    Likes: 8
About Me
  • Joined: 31-July 13

Posted 05 September 2013 - 03:31 PM

It's hard to describe (I think each of these damn dents has a life of their own!) and I can't bring myself to start photographing it. But mine is on the side edge of my chin and has an underlying canyon that is similar in size to the two lines Ughhh had. I can definitely feel the canyon underneath but visually you mostly just see a round spot of about 1/4 inch where I guess the most atrophy occurred and where the discoloration is. Depth at its worst is probably just a bit less than Ughhh had. When I tilt my head down to see it in profile it looks to be about 2 mm deep now (that sounds like it should be small so why does it look and feel so huge?!). Probably was at 3-4mm deep at its worst but I'm just guessing here.


Mine is at the side of my chin too! Seriously yours sounds just like mine!

#134 Supernova30

Supernova30

    Junior Member

  • Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 43
    Likes: 5
About Me
  • Gender:Female
  • Joined: 31-July 13

Achievements

     

Posted 06 September 2013 - 12:03 PM

Had my third saline injection yesterday. My doctor was also disappointed to see that the second injection didn't seem to help, whereas the first one had. He went back to using a larger needle like he did the first time and the whole thing hurt a bit more. I iced but I have more tenderness and bruising from it.

My consolation is that, like the first time, the bruising and swelling seems to be keeping the dent filled for now. Maybe the payoff for bruising is more healing? Who knows, too early to say but I have my fingers crossed that this will make some difference.

#135 Jjaa18

Jjaa18

    New Member

  • Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 8
    Likes: 0
About Me
  • Joined: 06-September 13

Posted 06 September 2013 - 09:09 PM

Well I have some hope to spread around. I have had atrophy on several different occasions from cortisone shots and all have ended up filling in, usually within a month. Every time I get the atrophy I am absolutely devastated and cry my eyes out. The problem is that I keep getting them because I am afraid that if I don't get one then the zit will leave a scar that has no chance of filling in. It's such a terrible tug of war. My last atrophy was so weird. The zit went away and the area where the zit was didn't atrophy but all the skin a round it did, and it looked like a freaking weirdo bullseye. Has anyone experienced this? I actually have a new one where the zit went away but there is a line beside the area that looks indented and bright red. I hope the indent is from the cortisone and not from the zit but I am so scared its from the zit because I did squeeze the area :( I just don't know! I called into work two days in a row because I am absolutely sick about it. All I can do is look in the mirror an cry. It's like one thing after another with my skin. My husband thinks I am so crazy over this and I know I am but I just can't bear getting ready in the morning and putting on makeup when I feel so disgusting. I know I should have hope since I have had many atrophied fill in but each time I get a new one I question whether its from the zit or cortisone. Has anyone else had the indentation be bright red?? My heart hurts so bad right now... Sorry for my rant. I feel like no one around me understands. I am so tired of crying.

#136 Hiddy Cheeks

Hiddy Cheeks

    Junior Member

  • Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 70
    Likes: 8
About Me
  • Gender:Male
  • Joined: 13-December 12

Posted 07 September 2013 - 02:16 AM

So the body will naturally fill in deep indents caused by cortisone injections but it won't fill in even very shallow indents caused by acne. I don't get that???



#137 charlie700

charlie700

    Junior Member

  • Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 56
    Likes: 4
About Me
  • Joined: 18-April 11

Posted 07 September 2013 - 04:11 AM

So the body will naturally fill in deep indents caused by cortisone injections but it won't fill in even very shallow indents caused by acne. I don't get that???


The theory is that the needle disrupts the scar tissue and forces the body to rebuild with collagen, the protein that makes our skin strong and elastic. Your body won't attempt to remodel a scar without intervention from an outside source like lasers or needles.

#138 JennaBean

JennaBean

    Member

  • Veteran Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 120
    Likes: 8
About Me
  • Joined: 31-July 13

Posted 07 September 2013 - 10:07 AM

Well I have some hope to spread around. I have had atrophy on several different occasions from cortisone shots and all have ended up filling in, usually within a month. Every time I get the atrophy I am absolutely devastated and cry my eyes out. The problem is that I keep getting them because I am afraid that if I don't get one then the zit will leave a scar that has no chance of filling in. It's such a terrible tug of war. My last atrophy was so weird. The zit went away and the area where the zit was didn't atrophy but all the skin a round it did, and it looked like a freaking weirdo bullseye. Has anyone experienced this? I actually have a new one where the zit went away but there is a line beside the area that looks indented and bright red. I hope the indent is from the cortisone and not from the zit but I am so scared its from the zit because I did squeeze the area :( I just don't know! I called into work two days in a row because I am absolutely sick about it. All I can do is look in the mirror an cry. It's like one thing after another with my skin. My husband thinks I am so crazy over this and I know I am but I just can't bear getting ready in the morning and putting on makeup when I feel so disgusting. I know I should have hope since I have had many atrophied fill in but each time I get a new one I question whether its from the zit or cortisone. Has anyone else had the indentation be bright red?? My heart hurts so bad right now... Sorry for my rant. I feel like no one around me understands. I am so tired of crying.


Mine wasn't read, but a grayish color. My derm said sometimes it can be red/pinkish.

#139 Supernova30

Supernova30

    Junior Member

  • Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 43
    Likes: 5
About Me
  • Gender:Female
  • Joined: 31-July 13

Achievements

     

Posted 07 September 2013 - 04:54 PM

Well I have some hope to spread around. I have had atrophy on several different occasions from cortisone shots and all have ended up filling in, usually within a month. Every time I get the atrophy I am absolutely devastated and cry my eyes out. The problem is that I keep getting them because I am afraid that if I don't get one then the zit will leave a scar that has no chance of filling in. It's such a terrible tug of war. My last atrophy was so weird. The zit went away and the area where the zit was didn't atrophy but all the skin a round it did, and it looked like a freaking weirdo bullseye. Has anyone experienced this? I actually have a new one where the zit went away but there is a line beside the area that looks indented and bright red. I hope the indent is from the cortisone and not from the zit but I am so scared its from the zit because I did squeeze the area sad.png I just don't know! I called into work two days in a row because I am absolutely sick about it. All I can do is look in the mirror an cry. It's like one thing after another with my skin. My husband thinks I am so crazy over this and I know I am but I just can't bear getting ready in the morning and putting on makeup when I feel so disgusting. I know I should have hope since I have had many atrophied fill in but each time I get a new one I question whether its from the zit or cortisone. Has anyone else had the indentation be bright red?? My heart hurts so bad right now... Sorry for my rant. I feel like no one around me understands. I am so tired of crying.

 

Mine started off red, then gradually turned a bluish colour. I think the initial redness was just the usual redness that stays behind after a cyst and once that faded away I was left with the bluish hue of the cortisone dent. The line you describe sounds like it is from the cortisone. A cyst would leave a spot I would think (and would be right where the cyst was, not beside it), whereas cortisone seems to often leave lines (mine visually looks like a spot but I can feel an indented line underneath the skin).

And trust me, I completely understand being sick about it - right there with you. Some days I manage to not let it bother me much but other days I'm literally sick with anxiety. I think because a dent like this is such a foreign thing to deal with - at least I've seen zits before and seen them heal! Even big ones. But I've never had a dent before and it's hard to imagine it healing. It really is a shitty thing to go through but I'm trying to have faith that we're all going to be fine. 


Edited by Supernova30, 07 September 2013 - 05:00 PM.


#140 Supernova30

Supernova30

    Junior Member

  • Members
  • Posts & Likes
    Posts: 43
    Likes: 5
About Me
  • Gender:Female
  • Joined: 31-July 13

Achievements

     

Posted 12 September 2013 - 10:51 AM

Well it's been a week since my latest saline injection (my third) and it's not looking like it has done much, despite bruising. Quite disappointing. I'd like to have more saline injections but they cause so much bruising on me and with the exception of the first injection, don't seem to be making a huge difference. The Goldman article made the saline injections sound so promising - weekly progressive improvements! Gone completely in a month! I don't understand why they are not working as well for me as they seem to for so many others. 

I guess I just have to keep waiting but this is really discouraging. 






0 user(s) are reading this topic

0 members, 0 guests, 0 anonymous users