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Some women get acne during pregnancy, due to the sudden peak in estrogen and progesterone, not necessarily testosterone. I guess there are various factors. High cortisol can also cause acne. so many things!

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Thanks so much WishClean! I am on my way to school or I would write more, but the main thing I want to say is, I guess it's just easy to get confused or discouraged when reading all the various theories regarding the cause of acne, so I appreciate your consistent insight!

With Vitex, did you get an IB? How long did it take to work? What brand did you use? And was there a rebound when you went off it?

The reason why I'm considering vitex over NPG is 1) cost, 2) better absorption and 3) more consistent progesterone dose (cream can rub off or be hard to keep exact measurements).

Do you think this is a better idea for me?

I hear what you're saying about my liver, I will be taking those vitamins that help with it, I also stopped glucosmart and don't plan on adding anything else to my treatment (just swapping NPC for Vitex, maybe).

SoftFocus, good points re pregnant women and acne!


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Thanks so much WishClean! I am on my way to school or I would write more, but the main thing I want to say is, I guess it's just easy to get confused or discouraged when reading all the various theories regarding the cause of acne, so I appreciate your consistent insight!

With Vitex, did you get an IB? How long did it take to work? What brand did you use? And was there a rebound when you went off it?

The reason why I'm considering vitex over NPG is 1) cost, 2) better absorption and 3) more consistent progesterone dose (cream can rub off or be hard to keep exact measurements).

Do you think this is a better idea for me?

I hear what you're saying about my liver, I will be taking those vitamins that help with it, I also stopped glucosmart and don't plan on adding anything else to my treatment (just swapping NPC for Vitex, maybe).

SoftFocus, good points re pregnant women and acne!


Current regimen: garlic supplements [as needed], Enzymedica gluten blocker [as needed], nicadan [not sure if it works yet]. I try to simplify as much as I can. Don't take more supplements than you need....try one at a time and be patient.

The supplements that really helped me when my acne was at its worst: inositol, DIM [not as frequently now!] digestive enzymes [don't need them every day anymore, only on cheat days], herpanacine & vitamin C with rose hips/ low acid [not every day], regular sun exposure for vitamin D3, superoxide dismutase (SOD) enzyme supplements. NOTE: I do not recommend DIM for long term use, and I do not recommend hormonal creams without doctor supervision.

Lifestyle & Skin Care: acupuncture, regular exercise/ yoga, low histamine diet, avoiding unnecessary stress, balancing skin's PH (using Image Ormedics), using distilled/ filtered water to wash face, occasional high frequency facials...

 

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Thanks GreenGables, but there is no way I would quit every acne treatment. I have struggled with severe acne since I was 16, I'm now 30, and it has never been manageable without treatment. Also, I do not have access to hormonal testing, so there would be no point in quitting everything to "assess", the result would just be more painful acne and more guessing. I also have no intention of taking multiple medications or mixing medications, just exploring my options. Regarding the type of acne I am getting, I would say the nodules are average, pre-treatment. However, for three years on spiro I was clear with no nodules. What bc would you suggest works well with spiro? I’ve tried Diane and had a horrible rebound, so not that one.

WishClean, thanks for the info, but it's sounding like vitex is not a better option (for me) than NPC. I've lowered my dose of NPC and am going to observe how that goes.

I know it's been said on this forum, but I still find it confusing, what hormones are at play during menstruation that may trigger acne? This is my worst time for nodules.


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Thanks GreenGables, but there is no way I would quit every acne treatment. I have struggled with severe acne since I was 16, I'm now 30, and it has never been manageable without treatment. Also, I do not have access to hormonal testing, so there would be no point in quitting everything to "assess", the result would just be more painful acne and more guessing. I also have no intention of taking multiple medications or mixing medications, just exploring my options. Regarding the type of acne I am getting, I would say the nodules are average, pre-treatment. However, for three years on spiro I was clear with no nodules. What bc would you suggest works well with spiro? I’ve tried Diane and had a horrible rebound, so not that one.

WishClean, thanks for the info, but it's sounding like vitex is not a better option (for me) than NPC. I've lowered my dose of NPC and am going to observe how that goes.

I know it's been said on this forum, but I still find it confusing, what hormones are at play during menstruation that may trigger acne? This is my worst time for nodules.


Current regimen: garlic supplements [as needed], Enzymedica gluten blocker [as needed], nicadan [not sure if it works yet]. I try to simplify as much as I can. Don't take more supplements than you need....try one at a time and be patient.

The supplements that really helped me when my acne was at its worst: inositol, DIM [not as frequently now!] digestive enzymes [don't need them every day anymore, only on cheat days], herpanacine & vitamin C with rose hips/ low acid [not every day], regular sun exposure for vitamin D3, superoxide dismutase (SOD) enzyme supplements. NOTE: I do not recommend DIM for long term use, and I do not recommend hormonal creams without doctor supervision.

Lifestyle & Skin Care: acupuncture, regular exercise/ yoga, low histamine diet, avoiding unnecessary stress, balancing skin's PH (using Image Ormedics), using distilled/ filtered water to wash face, occasional high frequency facials...

 

Grocery list:

 

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I agree about liver support. If the liver isn't working properly, there's no use in taking more stuff for acne. I read about NAC for hormonal balance but I haven't tried it yet.

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Guessing can definitely be tricky. I understand the idea of stopping everything, but, as I said, I have done that over the course of the last 15 years and the result has always been the same- acne returns full force or worse (in the case of bc). :(


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Guessing can definitely be tricky. I understand the idea of stopping everything, but, as I said, I have done that over the course of the last 15 years and the result has always been the same- acne returns full force or worse (in the case of bc). sad.png


Current regimen: garlic supplements [as needed], Enzymedica gluten blocker [as needed], nicadan [not sure if it works yet]. I try to simplify as much as I can. Don't take more supplements than you need....try one at a time and be patient.

The supplements that really helped me when my acne was at its worst: inositol, DIM [not as frequently now!] digestive enzymes [don't need them every day anymore, only on cheat days], herpanacine & vitamin C with rose hips/ low acid [not every day], regular sun exposure for vitamin D3, superoxide dismutase (SOD) enzyme supplements. NOTE: I do not recommend DIM for long term use, and I do not recommend hormonal creams without doctor supervision.

Lifestyle & Skin Care: acupuncture, regular exercise/ yoga, low histamine diet, avoiding unnecessary stress, balancing skin's PH (using Image Ormedics), using distilled/ filtered water to wash face, occasional high frequency facials...

 

Grocery list:

 

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Thanks for the reply. I'm going away next week, but when I get back I will look into ordering some hormonal testing online.

Guessing can definitely be tricky. I understand the idea of stopping everything, but, as I said, I have done that over the course of the last 15 years and the result has always been the same- acne returns full force or worse (in the case of bc). :(

I know what you mean. Even doctors are guessing most of the time, and while it may seem relatively safe in the short term, long term side effects say otherwise. There's no chance of you trying to get hormonal testing, even through online saliva testing (the one where they send you the kit and you collect samples and send them back)? I know it's hard where you live, but you don't want to cause another imbalance if what you have been taking so far is no longer working for you. it's either because your hormones changed or you are not responding to the treatment anymore....or, your body can't process the drug as well as it used to. It would help you if you had an indication of what might be wrong internally. Most of us here are guessing based on your symptoms but it's hard to pinpoint the exact cause without some sort of testing.

Btw, was it you who was taking conjugated linoleic acid/ CLA? If so, that can actually worsen insulin resistance and even negate the effects of glucosmart.

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I have to go get my lab results tomorrow, and if my estrogen is high the doc wants me to try myomin. I was reading random stuff about it, and similarities to vitex came up, so I tried to see why vitex stopped working for me long term.

I was reading some stuff on vitex on examine.com for a synthesis of medical studies and now I'm really confused. At some points, it says it can have an anti-estrogenic effect, but in another part it says it can actually increase both progesterone and estrogen. This site also mentions effects on dopamine, melatonin, and other parts of the endocrine system. http://examine.com/supplements/Vitex+agnus+castus/

Any thoughts on what issues long term vitex supplementation might cause? For me, it fixed the problem at first, then I don't know what happened. But this used to be my go-to cure, so I figured I need to find something comparable for the estrogen part since the rest are sort of covered now.


Current regimen: garlic supplements [as needed], Enzymedica gluten blocker [as needed], nicadan [not sure if it works yet]. I try to simplify as much as I can. Don't take more supplements than you need....try one at a time and be patient.

The supplements that really helped me when my acne was at its worst: inositol, DIM [not as frequently now!] digestive enzymes [don't need them every day anymore, only on cheat days], herpanacine & vitamin C with rose hips/ low acid [not every day], regular sun exposure for vitamin D3, superoxide dismutase (SOD) enzyme supplements. NOTE: I do not recommend DIM for long term use, and I do not recommend hormonal creams without doctor supervision.

Lifestyle & Skin Care: acupuncture, regular exercise/ yoga, low histamine diet, avoiding unnecessary stress, balancing skin's PH (using Image Ormedics), using distilled/ filtered water to wash face, occasional high frequency facials...

 

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I obviously don't know nearly as much as you about hormones, but I think managing insulin levels is the best route for PCOS gals like us. Ever consider metformin? I am. I took it before with spiro and it did help a bit.


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I obviously don't know nearly as much as you about hormones, but I think managing insulin levels is the best route for PCOS gals like us. Ever consider metformin? I am. I took it before with spiro and it did help a bit.


Current regimen: garlic supplements [as needed], Enzymedica gluten blocker [as needed], nicadan [not sure if it works yet]. I try to simplify as much as I can. Don't take more supplements than you need....try one at a time and be patient.

The supplements that really helped me when my acne was at its worst: inositol, DIM [not as frequently now!] digestive enzymes [don't need them every day anymore, only on cheat days], herpanacine & vitamin C with rose hips/ low acid [not every day], regular sun exposure for vitamin D3, superoxide dismutase (SOD) enzyme supplements. NOTE: I do not recommend DIM for long term use, and I do not recommend hormonal creams without doctor supervision.

Lifestyle & Skin Care: acupuncture, regular exercise/ yoga, low histamine diet, avoiding unnecessary stress, balancing skin's PH (using Image Ormedics), using distilled/ filtered water to wash face, occasional high frequency facials...

 

Grocery list:

 

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Hey guys, I really felt the need to help and tell you what is working for me.

I had really bad acne when I came of diannette bc pill. I had to come of it as I got a dvt in my leg!!!! So can't go back on it. I must of has a bad reaction or something?

Currently I use Agnus Castus liquid in the morning with some water. Then wash my face with witch hazel face wash then apply a small amount of extra virgin olive oil. I know it sounds nuts but it totally works. My skin has never looked this good. I repeat this in the evening too.

I work in the beauty cosmetics industry so I know quite a lot about skin ect. I think alot of people can be allergic to face creams ect more so if you have food allergy's.

I have a dairy allergy so I just avoid it now. Even though I love to eat cheese milk ice cream. I just can't it totally breaks me out. After all why should we be drinking the milk of another animal as adults its a bit nuts if you ask me. I now eat very healthy kind of follow the low GI now. Sugar/Wheat and as I say dairy make my skin go mad. I have tryed soooooo many different things and this is by far the best thing that works for me. Hope this helps. Before when my skin used to get bad a mask made up from crushed up magnesium tablets on my face did help. But I know longer need to do this. I really hope this helps someone.

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Hey guys, I really felt the need to help and tell you what is working for me.

I had really bad acne when I came of diannette bc pill. I had to come of it as I got a dvt in my leg!!!! So can't go back on it. I must of has a bad reaction or something?

Currently I use Agnus Castus liquid in the morning with some water. Then wash my face with witch hazel face wash then apply a small amount of extra virgin olive oil. I know it sounds nuts but it totally works. My skin has never looked this good. I repeat this in the evening too.

I work in the beauty cosmetics industry so I know quite a lot about skin ect. I think alot of people can be allergic to face creams ect more so if you have food allergy's.

I have a dairy allergy so I just avoid it now. Even though I love to eat cheese milk ice cream. I just can't it totally breaks me out. After all why should we be drinking the milk of another animal as adults its a bit nuts if you ask me. I now eat very healthy kind of follow the low GI now. Sugar/Wheat and as I say dairy make my skin go mad. I have tryed soooooo many different things and this is by far the best thing that works for me. Hope this helps. Before when my skin used to get bad a mask made up from crushed up magnesium tablets on my face did help. But I know longer need to do this. I really hope this helps someone.

.


Current regimen: garlic supplements [as needed], Enzymedica gluten blocker [as needed], nicadan [not sure if it works yet]. I try to simplify as much as I can. Don't take more supplements than you need....try one at a time and be patient.

The supplements that really helped me when my acne was at its worst: inositol, DIM [not as frequently now!] digestive enzymes [don't need them every day anymore, only on cheat days], herpanacine & vitamin C with rose hips/ low acid [not every day], regular sun exposure for vitamin D3, superoxide dismutase (SOD) enzyme supplements. NOTE: I do not recommend DIM for long term use, and I do not recommend hormonal creams without doctor supervision.

Lifestyle & Skin Care: acupuncture, regular exercise/ yoga, low histamine diet, avoiding unnecessary stress, balancing skin's PH (using Image Ormedics), using distilled/ filtered water to wash face, occasional high frequency facials...

 

Grocery list:

 

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Hi WishClean, Green Gables, jlcampi,

Thank you very much for this very helpful thread. Please help me if any one understands the lab results or guide me what should i start with.

I am also suffering from hormonal imbalance, hirsutism, acne, fatigue, aggression, PMS, mood swings, brest pain after ovulation, headaches (sometimes).

I have autoimmune hypothyroidism currently on 100μg levothyrox.

My recent lab results are :

TSH 2.68 mUI/L

FSH 6.8 UI/L

LH 6.6 UI/L

Estradiol 30 ng/L (110.4 pmol/L)

17-OH progesterone 0.490 ng/mL (1.48 nmol/L)

Delta 4-androstenedione 2.32 ng/mL (8.10 nmol/L)

Testosterone 0.630 ng/mL (2.19 nmol/L)

Sulfate of DHEA 1450 ng/mL (3.94 μmol/L)

Cortisol 12.0 μg/dl (332 nmol/L)

These were taken on 28th of May and my menstrual cycle started on 25th of May night.

Any suggestions or comments are welcome please.

Thanks in advance.

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I was taking saw palmetto with success up until April this year when my skin suddenly broke out. Maybe I've become intolerant to it? Anyway I've been looking into trying vitex as an alternative, can vitex be taken during menstruation? I'm seeing conflicting information, can anyone shed some light on this?

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I was taking saw palmetto with success up until April this year when my skin suddenly broke out. Maybe I've become intolerant to it? Anyway I've been looking into trying vitex as an alternative, can vitex be taken during menstruation? I'm seeing conflicting information, can anyone shed some light on this?


Current regimen: garlic supplements [as needed], Enzymedica gluten blocker [as needed], nicadan [not sure if it works yet]. I try to simplify as much as I can. Don't take more supplements than you need....try one at a time and be patient.

The supplements that really helped me when my acne was at its worst: inositol, DIM [not as frequently now!] digestive enzymes [don't need them every day anymore, only on cheat days], herpanacine & vitamin C with rose hips/ low acid [not every day], regular sun exposure for vitamin D3, superoxide dismutase (SOD) enzyme supplements. NOTE: I do not recommend DIM for long term use, and I do not recommend hormonal creams without doctor supervision.

Lifestyle & Skin Care: acupuncture, regular exercise/ yoga, low histamine diet, avoiding unnecessary stress, balancing skin's PH (using Image Ormedics), using distilled/ filtered water to wash face, occasional high frequency facials...

 

Grocery list:

 

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** If you have a question for me, please ask it publicly so that others can benefit from the discussion**

 

 


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I was taking saw palmetto with success up until April this year when my skin suddenly broke out. Maybe I've become intolerant to it? Anyway I've been looking into trying vitex as an alternative, can vitex be taken during menstruation? I'm seeing conflicting information, can anyone shed some light on this?

Maybe you need to adjust your dose of saw palmetto? Or, if it was just one breakout then maybe it was just a one-off, so you could just keep doing what you are doing, and if another breakout happens then consider other options or a different dose.

There is conflicting information about taking vitex during menstruation. I personally took the same dose all month long, but now I wonder if tweaking it according to my cycle would have been better. I'm not sure, but my naturopath said to take the same dose every day.

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Well my face broke out terribly around the end of March. My diet is relatively healthy and I can't recall doing anything different. I tried tweeking the saw palmetto by increasing the dose, but still kept breaking out.

Nothing seems to be helping which is frustrating and my self-esteem is much lower now. I had a really bad flare up around my menstrual cycle last week, so I know my acne is hormonal. I came off the saw palmetto in may and started 500mg of vitex two days ago. I like to take herbs for a long period of time rather than hop from product to product, I'll see how I get on with the vitex.

thanks for your input.


Current regimen: garlic supplements [as needed], Enzymedica gluten blocker [as needed], nicadan [not sure if it works yet]. I try to simplify as much as I can. Don't take more supplements than you need....try one at a time and be patient.

The supplements that really helped me when my acne was at its worst: inositol, DIM [not as frequently now!] digestive enzymes [don't need them every day anymore, only on cheat days], herpanacine & vitamin C with rose hips/ low acid [not every day], regular sun exposure for vitamin D3, superoxide dismutase (SOD) enzyme supplements. NOTE: I do not recommend DIM for long term use, and I do not recommend hormonal creams without doctor supervision.

Lifestyle & Skin Care: acupuncture, regular exercise/ yoga, low histamine diet, avoiding unnecessary stress, balancing skin's PH (using Image Ormedics), using distilled/ filtered water to wash face, occasional high frequency facials...

 

Grocery list:

 

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** If you have a question for me, please ask it publicly so that others can benefit from the discussion**

 

 


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Well my face broke out terribly around the end of March. My diet is relatively healthy and I can't recall doing anything different. I tried tweeking the saw palmetto by increasing the dose, but still kept breaking out.

Nothing seems to be helping which is frustrating and my self-esteem is much lower now. I had a really bad flare up around my menstrual cycle last week, so I know my acne is hormonal. I came off the saw palmetto in may and started 500mg of vitex two days ago. I like to take herbs for a long period of time rather than hop from product to product, I'll see how I get on with the vitex.

thanks for your input.

Sorry to hear that you broke out again. Saw palmetto only worked for me very briefly, so maybe it wears off for acne after a while. Have you tried DIM or inositol?

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Well my face broke out terribly around the end of March. My diet is relatively healthy and I can't recall doing anything different. I tried tweeking the saw palmetto by increasing the dose, but still kept breaking out.

Nothing seems to be helping which is frustrating and my self-esteem is much lower now. I had a really bad flare up around my menstrual cycle last week, so I know my acne is hormonal. I came off the saw palmetto in may and started 500mg of vitex two days ago. I like to take herbs for a long period of time rather than hop from product to product, I'll see how I get on with the vitex.

thanks for your input.

Sorry to hear that you broke out again. Saw palmetto only worked for me very briefly, so maybe it wears off for acne after a while. Have you tried DIM or inositol?


Current regimen: garlic supplements [as needed], Enzymedica gluten blocker [as needed], nicadan [not sure if it works yet]. I try to simplify as much as I can. Don't take more supplements than you need....try one at a time and be patient.

The supplements that really helped me when my acne was at its worst: inositol, DIM [not as frequently now!] digestive enzymes [don't need them every day anymore, only on cheat days], herpanacine & vitamin C with rose hips/ low acid [not every day], regular sun exposure for vitamin D3, superoxide dismutase (SOD) enzyme supplements. NOTE: I do not recommend DIM for long term use, and I do not recommend hormonal creams without doctor supervision.

Lifestyle & Skin Care: acupuncture, regular exercise/ yoga, low histamine diet, avoiding unnecessary stress, balancing skin's PH (using Image Ormedics), using distilled/ filtered water to wash face, occasional high frequency facials...

 

Grocery list:

 

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