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I have now figured out how to address high androgens and low progesterone. Working on the estrogen part. No herbs involved yet.

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By hormonal, do you mean it comes and goes with your period? Or are you going by the myth that jawline acne is any more hormone related than acne elsewhere.

Since you have observed negative symptoms as a result of taking things to mess with your hormones, I'd reconsider. Or try something much milder like spearmint tea which you can also try topically or broccoli pills to clear excess estrogen. You don't want to gain weight in your midsection.

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By hormonal, do you mean it comes and goes with your period? Or are you going by the myth that jawline acne is any more hormone related than acne elsewhere.

Since you have observed negative symptoms as a result of taking things to mess with your hormones, I'd reconsider. Or try something much milder like spearmint tea which you can also try topically or broccoli pills to clear excess estrogen. You don't want to gain weight in your midsection.

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Hi. I also have hormonal acne. It gets quite bad at times. I too have researched and tried just about everything out there and I'm so frustrated that I think I'm about to give up and try accutane. My skin is actually pretty decent compared to how it's been during some of my serious hormonal breakouts, but i'm still not clear, and after 16 years of this, I'm over it. However, one of the best things I ever tried for my hormonal acne was Vitex. I don't take it now because I am taking birth control (oral contraceptives) and you're not supposed to take them together.

If/when I ever stop taking birth control pills, I will immediately start taking vitex again (and probably will try high doses of saw palmetto too). The last time I stopped taking birth control pills my skin broke out like crazy, and after about 9 months of continuous horrible breakouts, I tried vitex and it helped A LOT. I still got some breakouts, but they were much more manageable. Topically, I started using a lot of exfoliating products like salicylic and glycolic acid, and ACV toner in combination with taking Vitex and for awhile I actually got pretty clear. I wish I could take it now, because I was much more clear doing that than I am now.

I couldn't take the capsules of vitex - that made me very nauseous. I took liquid extract - 40 drops in a small amount of water before each meal. At first I only took 40 drops of it in the mornings, but once I realized it was helping some, I started taking more and saw more improvement. Of course we are all different, but if I were you I would try taking more Vitex before giving up on it. I also take a lot of vitamins and I think they do help, but I think Vitex was the most important thing I took. I also take - about 50 - 60 mg of Zinc a day (in divided doses b/c that upsets my stomach if I take a lot at once), calcium, magnesium, folic acid, B6 (P5P form) 50 mg, vitamin D3 (5000 IU), chromium picolinate, vitamin C 2000 - 3000mg a day, and astragalus. I also avoid dairy because it makes my acne flare up much worse. I try to eat a pretty low glycemic diet as well. Also, there is one other thing I want to mention. In your signature it says you use a copper peptide mask. I tried a copper serum a few different times in the past and it broke me out pretty bad each time. I tried it a few different times just to be sure and I won't touch the stuff now. I know it works for a lot of people, so that could just be me, but it's possible that your skin doesn't like it.

Best of luck to you!

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Hi. I also have hormonal acne. It gets quite bad at times. I too have researched and tried just about everything out there and I'm so frustrated that I think I'm about to give up and try accutane. My skin is actually pretty decent compared to how it's been during some of my serious hormonal breakouts, but i'm still not clear, and after 16 years of this, I'm over it. However, one of the best things I ever tried for my hormonal acne was Vitex. I don't take it now because I am taking birth control (oral contraceptives) and you're not supposed to take them together.

If/when I ever stop taking birth control pills, I will immediately start taking vitex again (and probably will try high doses of saw palmetto too). The last time I stopped taking birth control pills my skin broke out like crazy, and after about 9 months of continuous horrible breakouts, I tried vitex and it helped A LOT. I still got some breakouts, but they were much more manageable. Topically, I started using a lot of exfoliating products like salicylic and glycolic acid, and ACV toner in combination with taking Vitex and for awhile I actually got pretty clear. I wish I could take it now, because I was much more clear doing that than I am now.

I couldn't take the capsules of vitex - that made me very nauseous. I took liquid extract - 40 drops in a small amount of water before each meal. At first I only took 40 drops of it in the mornings, but once I realized it was helping some, I started taking more and saw more improvement. Of course we are all different, but if I were you I would try taking more Vitex before giving up on it. I also take a lot of vitamins and I think they do help, but I think Vitex was the most important thing I took. I also take - about 50 - 60 mg of Zinc a day (in divided doses b/c that upsets my stomach if I take a lot at once), calcium, magnesium, folic acid, B6 (P5P form) 50 mg, vitamin D3 (5000 IU), chromium picolinate, vitamin C 2000 - 3000mg a day, and astragalus. I also avoid dairy because it makes my acne flare up much worse. I try to eat a pretty low glycemic diet as well. Also, there is one other thing I want to mention. In your signature it says you use a copper peptide mask. I tried a copper serum a few different times in the past and it broke me out pretty bad each time. I tried it a few different times just to be sure and I won't touch the stuff now. I know it works for a lot of people, so that could just be me, but it's possible that your skin doesn't like it.

Best of luck to you!

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Hi. I also have hormonal acne. It gets quite bad at times. I too have researched and tried just about everything out there and I'm so frustrated that I think I'm about to give up and try accutane. My skin is actually pretty decent compared to how it's been during some of my serious hormonal breakouts, but i'm still not clear, and after 16 years of this, I'm over it. However, one of the best things I ever tried for my hormonal acne was Vitex. I don't take it now because I am taking birth control (oral contraceptives) and you're not supposed to take them together.

If/when I ever stop taking birth control pills, I will immediately start taking vitex again (and probably will try high doses of saw palmetto too). The last time I stopped taking birth control pills my skin broke out like crazy, and after about 9 months of continuous horrible breakouts, I tried vitex and it helped A LOT. I still got some breakouts, but they were much more manageable. Topically, I started using a lot of exfoliating products like salicylic and glycolic acid, and ACV toner in combination with taking Vitex and for awhile I actually got pretty clear. I wish I could take it now, because I was much more clear doing that than I am now.

I couldn't take the capsules of vitex - that made me very nauseous. I took liquid extract - 40 drops in a small amount of water before each meal. At first I only took 40 drops of it in the mornings, but once I realized it was helping some, I started taking more and saw more improvement. Of course we are all different, but if I were you I would try taking more Vitex before giving up on it. I also take a lot of vitamins and I think they do help, but I think Vitex was the most important thing I took. I also take - about 50 - 60 mg of Zinc a day (in divided doses b/c that upsets my stomach if I take a lot at once), calcium, magnesium, folic acid, B6 (P5P form) 50 mg, vitamin D3 (5000 IU), chromium picolinate, vitamin C 2000 - 3000mg a day, and astragalus. I also avoid dairy because it makes my acne flare up much worse. I try to eat a pretty low glycemic diet as well. Also, there is one other thing I want to mention. In your signature it says you use a copper peptide mask. I tried a copper serum a few different times in the past and it broke me out pretty bad each time. I tried it a few different times just to be sure and I won't touch the stuff now. I know it works for a lot of people, so that could just be me, but it's possible that your skin doesn't like it.

Best of luck to you!

Hey,

Thanks for the response. I actually stopped all herbal supplements a few months ago. Vitex really helped balance out my hormones when I went off birth control 5 years ago, and it regulated my cycle. However, I took it for too long (I was advised to only take it for 6-12 months) because I was scared the acne would come back. When I came off it, the acne did come back slowly, but my skin was clear while I was taking it and a few months after so that was good. I think it lowered my progesterone and boosted my estrogen in the long run, so it is definitely not a long term remedy. Saw palmetto didn't help that much because I found out that my main issue is low progesterone, not androgens.

Sounds like you have a really healthy diet. Do you have insulin resistance? I haven't checked my insulin yet, but I suspect I might, so I am trying my best to avoid sugar, dairy, gluten, and other common triggers.

As for the copper peptide mask, I haven't used it in a couple of weeks....I'm ambivalent about it. Sometimes it really makes a difference, and other times it just accentuates my scars because it sticks to my skin and takes ages to take it off.

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Hello everyone,

I can relate to alot of the things you and rainy326 have mentioned. I am 20 years old and I've been diagnosed with PCOS and blood tests revealed i have low estrogen and fairly low progesterone levels along with normal testosterone however i have very low Sex hormone binding globulin levels which indicates to me that i got all this free testosterone around that is also not being balanced out with estrogen and so im left with high androgens in the body which correlates with my oily skin (by end of the day) , mild facial hair (some side burns -.- and other abnormal places) and of course acne. I refuse to go on the pill.

I've been taking VItex for 3 and a half months now and it has regulated my period which i am very happy about howver it has not cleared up my acne. Infact ive actually been breaking out on my chin more but it seems to be clearing at the moment. I dont actually get acne on the jaw line however i definitely do get it on my foreheard, particularly the middle, always around my eyebrows (painful cystic ones) and my temples. I occasionally get 1 or 2 on my cheeks which are also the deep cysts ones. I consider myself healthy, im pretty much a major health freak from battling with acne for so long, and i also take chromium, zinc and occasionally a liver tonic. Ive looked at the possible causes of my acne at so many angles and frankly i am exhausted from this. It has taken up so much of my time. At the moment,i should be studying for my exam tomorrow but here i am spending hours doing my research on acne.

But anyway, i started taking Saw Palmetto last week, and i think it has a mild effect on the oiliness of my skin. I know its too soon to tell and in addition the saw palmetto i am taking is in powder form. It is difficult in Australia to find a standardised one in store. I will update you on the combination of taking Vitex and Saw palmetto! The reason i dont think Vitex cleared up my skin is because alot of people say its more progesterone -favouring, midly inhibiting estrogen? (well its been put out there anyway) and even though i did say i have low progesterone levels, i dont think having even lower estrogen levels is going to help with balancing out my testosterone. In addition the rise in the progesterone after ovulation tends to make skin much oiler and so i notice that the week before my period my skin is absolutely horrible. The only and little time i notice my skin settling down is RIGHT BEFORE my period and the first couple of days of my period where hormone levels are at its low. I have a period app that says what hormones are dominant at which days etc.

In addition, ive spoken to naturopaths/herbalists and they say that there is this correlation with androgens and blood glucose (sugar) levels, its also on the net. A high carb/sugar diet causes a huge spike in blood glucose (sugar) levels and somehow stimulates androgen production/function. And so im trying my best to not have 3 big meals and span out 5 small meals instead but thats really hard for me, because even though i am quite small and underweight, i eat alot and find myself really fixated on food when hungry. This is why i am taking chromium tablets because it is largely involved in the regulation of blood glucose levels. It makes sense, that i have a high blood glucose level because not much of it is being taken up into my body (hence i find it really hard to put on weight) and therefore the presence of high glucose would cause/aggrevate my acne. (I study physiology so i learn about this stuff)- this is considered as a metabolic disorder.

I hope i have provided at least a little bit of help or insight based on what im going through too and i will definitely post back on the progess of taking Vitex and Saw palmetto and all the other herbs ive been taking. Of course i try my best to take the minimal amount of herbs/tablets i can but im experimenting with these at the moment and if i find any success at all i will definitely share :)

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Thanks for the insight. How did you find out your globulin levels btw?

I'm not taking sp or vitex anymore, but I will say that vitex helped me bounce back after years of birth control pills and antibiotics. Vitex helps a lot with acne related to estrogen or progesterone, not androgen-related acne. Saw palmetto helped me a little bit with mild facial hair, but not nearly as much as myo-inositol. Myo and chiro-inositol help regulate glucose as well. To me, this is a much better alternative to saw palmetto.

Vitex works best in tincture form (try the alcohol-free if you can find it), and shouldn't be taken for a long period of time....I think a year is enough, then you need to recheck your hormones and reduce the dose accordingly otherwise it can cause new imblanaces. Hopefully if you take it with saw palmetto you should be ok, but to be safe make sure you check your hormones every year.

Hello everyone,

I can relate to alot of the things you and rainy326 have mentioned. I am 20 years old and I've been diagnosed with PCOS and blood tests revealed i have low estrogen and fairly low progesterone levels along with normal testosterone however i have very low Sex hormone binding globulin levels which indicates to me that i got all this free testosterone around that is also not being balanced out with estrogen and so im left with high androgens in the body which correlates with my oily skin (by end of the day) , mild facial hair (some side burns -.- and other abnormal places) and of course acne. I refuse to go on the pill.

I've been taking VItex for 3 and a half months now and it has regulated my period which i am very happy about howver it has not cleared up my acne. Infact ive actually been breaking out on my chin more but it seems to be clearing at the moment. I dont actually get acne on the jaw line however i definitely do get it on my foreheard, particularly the middle, always around my eyebrows (painful cystic ones) and my temples. I occasionally get 1 or 2 on my cheeks which are also the deep cysts ones. I consider myself healthy, im pretty much a major health freak from battling with acne for so long, and i also take chromium, zinc and occasionally a liver tonic. Ive looked at the possible causes of my acne at so many angles and frankly i am exhausted from this. It has taken up so much of my time. At the moment,i should be studying for my exam tomorrow but here i am spending hours doing my research on acne.

But anyway, i started taking Saw Palmetto last week, and i think it has a mild effect on the oiliness of my skin. I know its too soon to tell and in addition the saw palmetto i am taking is in powder form. It is difficult in Australia to find a standardised one in store. I will update you on the combination of taking Vitex and Saw palmetto! The reason i dont think Vitex cleared up my skin is because alot of people say its more progesterone -favouring, midly inhibiting estrogen? (well its been put out there anyway) and even though i did say i have low progesterone levels, i dont think having even lower estrogen levels is going to help with balancing out my testosterone. In addition the rise in the progesterone after ovulation tends to make skin much oiler and so i notice that the week before my period my skin is absolutely horrible. The only and little time i notice my skin settling down is RIGHT BEFORE my period and the first couple of days of my period where hormone levels are at its low. I have a period app that says what hormones are dominant at which days etc.

In addition, ive spoken to naturopaths/herbalists and they say that there is this correlation with androgens and blood glucose (sugar) levels, its also on the net. A high carb/sugar diet causes a huge spike in blood glucose (sugar) levels and somehow stimulates androgen production/function. And so im trying my best to not have 3 big meals and span out 5 small meals instead but thats really hard for me, because even though i am quite small and underweight, i eat alot and find myself really fixated on food when hungry. This is why i am taking chromium tablets because it is largely involved in the regulation of blood glucose levels. It makes sense, that i have a high blood glucose level because not much of it is being taken up into my body (hence i find it really hard to put on weight) and therefore the presence of high glucose would cause/aggrevate my acne. (I study physiology so i learn about this stuff)- this is considered as a metabolic disorder.

I hope i have provided at least a little bit of help or insight based on what im going through too and i will definitely post back on the progess of taking Vitex and Saw palmetto and all the other herbs ive been taking. Of course i try my best to take the minimal amount of herbs/tablets i can but im experimenting with these at the moment and if i find any success at all i will definitely share smile.png

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I found out my sex-binding globulin levels when i did a hormone blood test along with my testosteron, estrogen and progesterone.

Ever since you mentioned inositol ive been researching about it and it seems to do everything i want it to do. So i got a quite abit excited haha. You may have mentioned it in your other posts regarding inositol but what brand are you using? Im looking around and the Swanson Premium Brand keeps popping up.

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I found out my sex-binding globulin levels when i did a hormone blood test along with my testosteron, estrogen and progesterone.

Ever since you mentioned inositol ive been researching about it and it seems to do everything i want it to do. So i got a quite abit excited haha. You may have mentioned it in your other posts regarding inositol but what brand are you using? Im looking around and the Swanson Premium Brand keeps popping up.

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My cheek acne has become horrible the last few days. I'm currently taking NPC but wondering if I need to address estrogen based on WishClean's advice in another post. Any ideas?

Also, I'm curious why saw palmetto and vitex are pretty much ALWAYS mentioned together?

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My cheek acne has become horrible the last few days. I'm currently taking NPC but wondering if I need to address estrogen based on WishClean's advice in another post. Any ideas?

Also, I'm curious why saw palmetto and vitex are pretty much ALWAYS mentioned together?

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EDITED.

I have now figured out how to address high androgens and low progesterone. Working on the estrogen part. No herbs involved yet.

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Argh! I don't want NPC to make my acne worse!? How do you suggest treating acne if one has PCOS? Also, I think androgens play a big role in PCOS, because of the facial hair growth, no?

EDITED.

I have now figured out how to address high androgens and low progesterone. Working on the estrogen part. No herbs involved yet.

PCOS is caused by:

Elevated Estrogen; or

Progesterone Deficiency; or

Both

I can give you some symptoms of each if you are interested. There are so many permutations, I will wait to see if you are interested before replying.

The solution to PCOS is progesterone. Keep in mind that this may exacerbate acne. I can make some hormonal suggestions but will need to ask you some questions.

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EDITED.

I have now figured out how to address high androgens and low progesterone. Working on the estrogen part. No herbs involved yet.

PCOS is caused by:

Elevated Estrogen; or

Progesterone Deficiency; or

Both

I can give you some symptoms of each if you are interested. There are so many permutations, I will wait to see if you are interested before replying.

The solution to PCOS is progesterone. Keep in mind that this may exacerbate acne. I can make some hormonal suggestions but will need to ask you some questions.

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EDITED.

I have now figured out how to address high androgens and low progesterone. Working on the estrogen part. No herbs involved yet.

PCOS is caused by:

Elevated Estrogen; or

Progesterone Deficiency; or

Both

I can give you some symptoms of each if you are interested. There are so many permutations, I will wait to see if you are interested before replying.

The solution to PCOS is progesterone. Keep in mind that this may exacerbate acne. I can make some hormonal suggestions but will need to ask you some questions.

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Ok, I'm getting confused with the nested quotes.

Wishclean:

You are correct with respect to low progesterone (P4) and high estrogen (estradiol is E2) having overlapping symptoms. There are clinical signs that distinguish the difference.

First half of female cycle - follicular

Second half of cycle - luteal

Progesterone (P4) neutralizes effects of Estrogen

P4 is relatively low until ovulation. At this point it rises over luteal phase and peaks at day 21 if no pregnancy. This is why you always test at day 21 of cycle if concerned about P4.

There are many such symptoms but to give you a few examples.

If you experience swollen, tender breasts during the luteal phase only, then that points to progesterone deficiency.

Swollen breasts all month is estrogen dominance.

Breast ptosis (sagging) during the luteal phase only is estrogen deficiency.

Hirsutism (excessive hair growth) is caused by unopposed Dihydrotestosterone (dht).

To further complicate matters, testosterone is generated generated by the ovaries and by the adrenals (as DHEA that metabolizes to Testosterone). We need the FSH/LH ratio to determine what's going on. Couple this with the clinical picture and it can be treated. If the androgen source is ovarian, then we use estrogen as a first line treatment for hirsutism. If it's adrenal, then we use dexamethasone (medrol). Medrol is a corticosteroid that has very little affinity for the aldosterone receptor, so it wont cause bloating. The adrenals attempt to release equal parts of DHEA and cortisol. Medrol works because it will result in adrenal negative feedback on cortisol so DHEA will also be also be inhibited. No DHEA means no testosterone to convert to DHT and cause excessive hair growth.

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Ok, I'm getting confused with the nested quotes.

Wishclean:

You are correct with respect to low progesterone (P4) and high estrogen (estradiol is E2) having overlapping symptoms. There are clinical signs that distinguish the difference.

First half of female cycle - follicular

Second half of cycle - luteal

Progesterone (P4) neutralizes effects of Estrogen

P4 is relatively low until ovulation. At this point it rises over luteal phase and peaks at day 21 if no pregnancy. This is why you always test at day 21 of cycle if concerned about P4.

There are many such symptoms but to give you a few examples.

If you experience swollen, tender breasts during the luteal phase only, then that points to progesterone deficiency.

Swollen breasts all month is estrogen dominance.

Breast ptosis (sagging) during the luteal phase only is estrogen deficiency.

Hirsutism (excessive hair growth) is caused by unopposed Dihydrotestosterone (dht).

To further complicate matters, testosterone is generated generated by the ovaries and by the adrenals (as DHEA that metabolizes to Testosterone). We need the FSH/LH ratio to determine what's going on. Couple this with the clinical picture and it can be treated. If the androgen source is ovarian, then we use estrogen as a first line treatment for hirsutism. If it's adrenal, then we use dexamethasone (medrol). Medrol is a corticosteroid that has very little affinity for the aldosterone receptor, so it wont cause bloating. The adrenals attempt to release equal parts of DHEA and cortisol. Medrol works because it will result in adrenal negative feedback on cortisol so DHEA will also be also be inhibited. No DHEA means no testosterone to convert to DHT and cause excessive hair growth.

Are you a doctor?

What are the chances of high estrogen causing hirsutism? I also have some melasma on my face, isn't that also a sign of high estrogen (and sometimes high progesterone esp. if it's cholasma, but I know that my progesterone is low)?

Basically, my only option at the doctor's office was to do blood testing because my insurance wouldn't cover saliva testing. They drew blood the 2nd day of my period, and I was feeling very hormonal (crying for no reason, depressed, mood swings). Don't you think that if there's an imbalance, this was the right day to do the blood test? I'm hoping it isn't completely useless.

But it probably won't show much about androgens.

I also get histamine reactions, which is probably unrelated to hormones and has to do with digestion/gut and inflammation.

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just found some interesting videos of barbara o'neill, google ' "hormonal imbalance" by barbara o'neill ' she's a bit on the plants side but it may help with some info.

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Hi Wishclean.

No I'm not a doctor. I am familiar with endocrinology, in part, because the subject area interests me.

There is zero chance hirsutism is caused by elevated estrogen. It's only caused by unopposed DHT. As I mentioned you need to understand the testosterone source to come up with the best treatment plan. It could be adrenal (but may not be) based on your last comment. You mentioned melasma in your last post. That could be caused by a cortisol deficiency.

Cortisol is the most important hormone in the human body. If levels drop low enough it becomes a medical emergency and without intervention death can occur. This hormone is responsible for regulating blood pressure, regulating the immune system, fighting inflammation, increasing dynamism and regulating glucose. It's incredibly important to have this hormone regulated if you are correcting thyroid hormone, IGF-1. growth hormone or melatonin.

A few common signs of cortisol deficiency are - fatigue, excessive negativism, feeling like you are a victim, low stress tolerance and periods of yelling and screaming. The latter is caused by an increase in ACTH attempting to stimulate cortisol production by the adrenals. Since this isn't occurring, adrenaline is produced instead.

8 am cortisol should be around 20.

Hormone testing:

The female hormone cycle is well known. Depending on what the complaint looks like we may want to test on a day other than day 21, however testing on a day when progesterone and estradiol just dropped to relatively low concentrations isn't going to provide AS MUCH information. It isn't useless.

Generally, the best lab testing is to combine serum (blood) with urine. It depends what you are looking for though. Saliva testing has some benefit, however it's diagnostic value is low. So why don't we like it? You end up with a free hormone value (free hormones fluctuate substantially throughout the day) and a reference range for the analyte that is large. This makes interpretation more difficult.

You can test for testosterone just about any day of the month (slight increase at ovulation). Best tests to order for testosterone are:

Total testosterone

SHBG

Androstanediol Glucoronide (fist metabolite of DHT)

Of course we need the adrenal androgens, female sex hormones, fsh, lh, etc, etc.

Histamine:

I suggest you order the Array 1 panel from Cyrex labs. This is a saliva sample.

Www.cyrexlabs.com

This test will look for a gluten intolerance. If it comes back positive, then try Array 4 next. This will test for cross gluten sensitivity based on specific foods.

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WishClean, have you had your melatonin tested or had a sleep study done?

When I take melatonin supplements to help me sleep, I gain weight with no other changes. You may not be taking melatonin, but if your circadian rhythm is off, it could also be causing your weight gain.

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WishClean, have you had your melatonin tested or had a sleep study done?

When I take melatonin supplements to help me sleep, I gain weight with no other changes. You may not be taking melatonin, but if your circadian rhythm is off, it could also be causing your weight gain.

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Hey wishclean, greengables and everyone else commenting on this helpful thread. I have been reading the hormonal forum for a while now, and decided to join so I can ask some questions because wishclean seems to have the same symptoms as me with both androgens and estrogens causing problems.

I have been taking spironolactone for a few months now, and I think it's giving me estrogen dominance symptoms. Before spironolactone, I had actually seen a natureopath who recommended a mixture of saw palmetto, vitex, prickly pear, and some other herbs, but I didn't stick with it long enough to see if it worked and I decided to go with spiro instead. However, my estradiol levels were a bit high (but considered normal range) along with normal androgens on the high end of the scale I guess...I don't remember my progesterone but I think it was low so I think I have the same issues as wishclean and I hope I can get some help here.

Well, now I Have developed some hyperpigmentation, bloating, weight gain, and just a general feeling of discomfort. My skin is a bit better, but I still get breakouts around those crucial times of the month. Is it possible that spiro is giving me estrogen dominance? Do women combine spiro with something else to regulate estrogen? I feel like I'm on birth control all over again...bloated, moody, depressed. please offer me some feedback on what to do.

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WishClean, have you had your melatonin tested or had a sleep study done?

When I take melatonin supplements to help me sleep, I gain weight with no other changes. You may not be taking melatonin, but if your circadian rhythm is off, it could also be causing your weight gain.

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WishClean, have you had your melatonin tested or had a sleep study done?

When I take melatonin supplements to help me sleep, I gain weight with no other changes. You may not be taking melatonin, but if your circadian rhythm is off, it could also be causing your weight gain.

No, I haven't but I have had chronic insomnia for a while. Actually, though, I think it's partly my fault because I often stay up late to finish work I have to do for the next day. My cardian rhythm is definitely off. But can that cause skin issues?

Today I got a call from the doctor's office and they said the hormone tests showed an imbalance and I need to meet with the dr to discuss my options. Also, my vitamin D isn't where she wants it to be. I couldn't get an appointment before thanksgiving, so I have to wait until Monday to get the results back because they wouldn't tell me over the phone. eusa_wall.gif

Meanwhile, I stopped taking inositol for a few days because I didn't want to take anything when getting the tests done, but I have been having crazy mood swings and my skin is worse ( that could be other factors too, like trying out different foundations recently). On top of that, the numbness has returned. So I guess I can't take a break from it now.

Have you heard of myomin? At my last appointment, the dr. said that she suspects I have estrogen dominance (esp. based on melasma, boating, very emotional during periods) in addition to possible sensitivity to androgens (I compared older labs and I was always in the high end of the "normal" range or sometimes mid-normal, and DHEA also high normal). She said depending on what the tests show, I might consider myomin which is an aromatase inhibitor. Do you think it looks comparable to DIM? I read some reviews about myomin online, but haven't seen anything specifically for skin or for women in their 30s...it seems to be mostly older women who take it. http://www.chi-health.co.uk/p_myomin.htm

Dad said today: Everyone can control their hormones if they control their stress, just tell your doc to give you an anti-stress tea and your hormones will balance themselves out. I told him to get back to me when he grows ovaries. dry.png

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