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#1 24 Hour Revenge Therapy

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Posted 10 October 2004 - 11:51 PM

Alright, can anyone tell me what B5 does exactly? And does it work well? Are there any dangerous side effects or possible breakouts that may come from taking this stuff? Please share all knowledge, facts, rumors, etc. Thanks.


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Posted 11 October 2004 - 02:27 PM

QUOTE(24 Hour Revenge Therapy @ Oct 10 2004, 09:51 PM)
Alright, can anyone tell me what B5 does exactly?  And does it work well?  Are there any dangerous side effects or possible breakouts that may come from taking this stuff?  Please share all knowledge, facts, rumors, etc.  Thanks.

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ONE WORD:SEARCH

Just take the time to enter "b5 effects" or something like that in yahoo.com and then your get the results you want.

Abit lazy on your part i think!

but i will say this about b5,taking 20 pills of the crap a day isn't really that good of an option...

I've cut my acne by nearly 90% due to THINKING before i try things.
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Posted 11 October 2004 - 02:45 PM

^^ asshole
http://www.acu-cell.com/bx2.html
http://www.b5supplem...ne-Prevent.html
http://www.natural-a...om/b5-acne.html

should help you out

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Posted 11 October 2004 - 02:56 PM

it can cause permenant hairloss. dont believe anyone who says its 'water soluble' and safe. if it was so safe it wouldnt be causing 20 year old kids to get genetic hairloss they were supposed to get 30 years down the road. be very careful.
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Posted 11 October 2004 - 04:16 PM

Thanks for your help, Word and Sadcaroline. Ryan, you didn't do a very good job at condescending me, if that's what you were trying to do.
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Posted 11 October 2004 - 04:17 PM

QUOTE(word @ Oct 11 2004, 12:45 PM)


Hey word i suppose the next idiot to come in here asking about green tea or masturbation and acne you won't tell to search?.

Whenever i need some info i SEARCH for it first instead of making a new topic on it.

Also the next time you say something like that to me...i'll report it to a mod because there's no need for it.
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Posted 11 October 2004 - 06:02 PM

Dude, there is no need to report swears. We're all adults. We all can say all kinds of fucking shit and be mature about it and not fucking get sand in our cunts about internet messageboard posts.
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Posted 11 October 2004 - 07:19 PM

LOL 24 hour- you rock.
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Posted 12 October 2004 - 10:06 AM

QUOTE(24 Hour Revenge Therapy @ Oct 11 2004, 04:02 PM)
Dude, there is no need to report swears.  We're all adults.  We all can say all kinds of fucking shit and be mature about it and not fucking get sand in our cunts about internet messageboard posts.

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I don't care about people swearing,it's when they call me an "asshole" for pointing out something that if i didn't,somebody else would've.
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Posted 12 October 2004 - 10:29 AM

you just got owned Ryan .. biggrin.gif

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Posted 12 October 2004 - 11:46 AM

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you just got owned Ryan .. biggrin.gif

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Ok welcome to a mature arguement!

Ok if you think it's ok for people to call each other names and whatever

"This forum is full of fucking idiots who don't know anything about health and acne....like going on about monitor radiation and scarfs causing acne ffs..GET A GRIP PEOPLE!"
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Posted 12 October 2004 - 12:21 PM

QUOTE(sadcaroline @ Oct 11 2004, 08:56 PM)
it can cause permenant hairloss. dont believe anyone who says its 'water soluble' and safe. if it was so safe it wouldnt be causing 20 year old kids to get genetic hairloss they were supposed to get 30 years down the road. be very careful.

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I dont understand what you mean by 'dont believe it is water soluble'. The fact is it is water soluble. You can test this yourself. How many of these kids have experienced genetic hairloss as a result of taking B5? how do you know the two are linked? Please point me to where you have obtaiend this information because i`m very interested in reading about it.

B5 is still 100 times safer than Accutane.

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Posted 14 October 2004 - 12:23 PM

ppl might have experienced hair loss due to b-5 but there is a difference between hair loss and baldness ppl who experience hair loss on b-5 there hair fell out more then it did before but it still keeps growing back baldness is where your hair falls out at a normal rate but does not grow back or it grows back thinner then it was before and eventually becomes more and more thin I had some if any hair loss while on b5 but my hair is still really thick and most ppl who take b5 there hair loss problems go away within a year and I have never heard of some one going bald from b5!

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Posted 14 October 2004 - 12:58 PM

i got my information from my derm, after i began using another anti androgen (spiro). For everyone that doesnt know, b5 is a potent anti androgen. My doctor (derm, hair specialist) told me that any time you take an anti androgen, it is blocking the hormone (or receptor site) that causes androgen problems (ie: acne). Which is good, BUT the problem here arises because when you block one hormone (say the type os testosterone that causes acne) another hormone rises (there are a few what i call 'man hormones' (types of testosterone etc) Now i cant explain this as well as my doctor did, but what I got from it all was anti androgens (b5, spiro) block some of the male hormones/receptor sites, causing another hormone (dht) to have its serum levels raised. so because its blocking the hormone thats causing your acne, it causes DHT (thats known for hairloss) to raise really high. And alot of times if there is someone who has a genetic link to hairloss, whether the hairloss started at a young age or not for your parents, can now happen VERY early on anti androgens. My doctor said he sees this all of the time, especially with young girls trying spiro or b5, they dont understand what can happen, and most doctors wont go into detail about spiro actually causing hairloss, because actually in some people it is USED for hairloss, confusing i know. The reason i say its not water soluble is this: i am aware that if u take b5 in too high doses you will pee it out, but honestly i think thats giving unsuspecting people a safety blanket. The reality is, if it was so 'safe' why the heck is my doctor seeing kids get hairloss that turns into premature baldness? (yes thats right people, hes seeing permenant loss from b5) i have already lost my hair (70% and counting) due to anti androgens. Now whether you guys believe it or not is up to you. But i adored my hair, and the hell if i will sit around letting people say its 'safe' without me chiming in. If i can advise one kid or save someone from the pain of losing their hair, i will do my damndest. because it has been a fucking nightmare that i wouldnt wish on my worst enemy.
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Posted 14 October 2004 - 01:14 PM

sorry for the emotional post, its a touchy subject for me. but i didnt really answer your questions: (my quote thingy is messed up hehe )

How many of these kids have experienced genetic hairloss as a result of taking B5?---
My derm didnt comment on how many kids were getting this from it, he just said the increase in genetic hairloss from anti androgens has been unbeleiveable in the last 5 years or so.

how do you know the two are linked?
----I go to one of the top dermatologists in the WORLD. If you are interested, his name is Joseph Jorrizzo and hes at Wake Forest University Baptist medical center. Hes absolutely phenomenol, and he gets patients from all over because he is a genius with non traditional problems. (genetic hairloss from anti androgens) He is where I got my information, after i began losing my hair, I researched on the net to figure out WHY? Because the only thing i was taking was a medicine to 'help' hairloss (spiro). So naturally i rushed to him, and he gave me the grim news of what he has been seeing. He is the one who says the two are directly linked.


ppl might have experienced hair loss due to b-5 but there is a difference between hair loss and baldness ppl who experience hair loss on b-5 there hair fell out more then it did before but it still keeps growing back baldness is where your hair falls out at a normal rate but does not grow back or it grows back thinner then it was before and eventually becomes more and more thin I had some if any hair loss while on b5 but my hair is still really thick and most ppl who take b5 there hair loss problems go away within a year and I have never heard of some one going bald from b5!
------------- this is wrong and right. SOME people (the ones that DONT have the genetic link) may just get hair shedding from b5. But if you have the genetic link, it will turn into permenant genetic hairloss that doesnt get better. The follicles will start miniturizing, and it will be exactly like your 50 year old dad, except you get it when your very young, because the anti androgen linked on to the genetic aspect of it. And its really dificult to know who has the link, some say you go by your mothers side, the hairloss patterns, But my doc says sometimes it doesnt matter. Also, he commented that recently (within the last year) he has seen people that shouldnt have a genetic link to hairloss (no real hair loss on either sides of the family) get genetic hairloss from b5 and spiro. Thats some pretty potent stuff if its inducing permenant hairloss in someone that has no hairloss on either side of the family. My doctor is seeing a few people who just gopt shedding from it, but a HIG influx of those with genetic loss from it. But the sad reality is, once it happens, theres no turing back, because once the hair follicles become sensitized by DHT, they never return to normal. sad.gifsad.gif


hope this answered your questions.
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Posted 15 October 2004 - 07:37 AM

good poste sadcaroline I feel like a hypocrite now I am always mad when I see poste from ppl who think they know what they are talking about when they don't and the give a half assed reply like myself! but what u have said actually does make sense and I am sorry to hear about your hair loss I hope things get better with that

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Posted 15 October 2004 - 04:37 PM

thanks nofx smile.gif.. i can understand why everyone is baffled everytime i mention hairloss with b5 and spiro though, because in so many people it can actually treat hairloss. the hair loss reaction i would consider not really rare, but not too common either, its certainly not something that happens to everyone who takes anti androgens.
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