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#21 alternativista

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Posted 17 March 2013 - 08:50 PM

THis is bullshit!
 
How come my acne free friends can eat unhealthy and drink insane amount of milk, without even getting a little tiny microscopic pimple?
 
i have done a lot of experiments with milk,dairy and it have zero effects on me.
 
Some people have acne, and you can't cure it without medicine
 
Your face is spotless, because you are lucky and your acne fade away, not because of your diet.


Diet does affect everyone's acne. It sent possible for it not to. Your friends don't get acne because they do not have the genetic traits that make them acne prone.

My diet habits kep my acne under control while years of dermatologists and drugs did not. Not even two courses of accutane helped.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 07:43 AM

Unfortunately I have to agree with most other people here, although I'm a lot more willing to be friendly :). You're diet is amazing, keep up the great work... but when it comes to acne it may be something much, much more complicated. I don't think you 'got lucky' but I do think you may have changed just as time when by. Perhaps you are getting a certain nutrient which was all you ever needed anyway, or perhaps you overlooked that a combination of certain bad foods at certain times of the day was triggering your outburst... a combination you never thought of avoiding because it was usually together on a sandwich you ate or something. Then again, maybe the diet really did help your acne and you happen to be allergic to everything you avoided.
 
I've been on a juicing vegetable diet for a while now and I'm still getting at least 5 cysts at a time, although the impact is a lot less. The redness and inflammation in my face is still sticking out like a sore thumb. Yet when I had no choice but to eat a ham and cheese sandwich because I was snowed in one day and couldn't leave my house for groceries, nothing happened, even weeks after the chemicals flowed though me. My new diet change is HELPING, but I'm still partially breaking out reguardless.


I really think cysts and nodules are reactions to some kind of food or other intolerance. Have you tried a methodical elimination diet?

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 08:28 AM

THis is bullshit!

 

How come my acne free friends can eat unhealthy and drink insane amount of milk, without even getting a little tiny microscopic pimple?

 

i have done a lot of experiments with milk,dairy and it have zero effects on me.

 

Some people have acne, and you can't cure it without medicine

 

Your face is spotless, because you are lucky and your acne fade away, not because of your diet.

 

I agree completely. If you've already tested stuff and found no positive effect, don't bother giving it up. I wish in hindsight I could have just stopped all this diet shit a long time ago and gone back on medication. I woke up this morning and saw a normal person looking back at me in the mirror for once  (only mild acne), and that is thanks to a few weeks of medications, not the year+ I struggled to have the perfect diet and got nowhere.



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Posted 18 March 2013 - 12:36 PM

What pisses me off about posts like this appearing over and over and over is the constantly IGNORING of the fact that many of us have already given up these foods, for periods as long as YEARS and not seen improvements. Over and over again, these people (LIKE ME) are ignored. Those long lists of routines you see in our signatures? They are there because DIET DID NOT HELP US.

 

Yes, but the board has also long been filled with people for whom years of medication did not help, but diet did.  Hence the far from complete success story thread that has recently been unpinned.  Hence the many polls asking who here tried accutane and so on.



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Posted 18 March 2013 - 12:38 PM

Medication definitely won't help if you're eating something you're allergic to, that's for sure. But avoiding stuff you're allergic to won't cure acne either. In severe cases, it's going to take both at once.



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Posted 18 March 2013 - 12:41 PM


Shortly - promoting healthy eating is the best thing to do, but promoting elimination of foods in order to cure acne - targets the wrong spot and sends the wrong message. People need the focus on the positive - try to fight FOR good health, and not AGAINST acne. 

 

An 'acne diet' and a truly healthy diet is actually the same thing.   But by truly healthy I do mean that it addresses your personal intolerances and special health issues in addition to being filled with real whole nutrient dense foods, more anti-inflammatory than inflammatory foods in low to moderate glycemic load meals, drinks and snacks.

 

If you can't do that without obsessing, then don't.



Medication definitely won't help if you're eating something you're allergic to, that's for sure. But avoiding stuff you're allergic to won't cure acne either. In severe cases, it's going to take both at once.

 

Uh, hello. My acne was severe.



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Posted 18 March 2013 - 12:56 PM

How nice for you. Must feel good to be so easily cured.



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Posted 18 March 2013 - 01:12 PM

How nice for you. Must feel good to be so easily cured.

 

Well, it took thirty years of dermatologists telling me that diet had nothing to do with acne.

 

You seem to be going from one extreme attitude to the other.



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Posted 18 March 2013 - 01:13 PM

Diet does affect everyone's acne. It sent possible for it not to. Your friends don't get acne because they do not have the genetic traits that make them acne prone.

 

You are saying everyone?

 

I have a friend who had completely stopped eating dairy for 6 months!

She don't have acne anymore, because in the end she ended up taking accutane, because the diet with no dairy didn't work a tiny bit for her, it just made her missed all the good joy we can get with food.

 

I did it, i don't have acne anymore, because ind the end i took accutane, because the dairy shit didn't work.



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Posted 18 March 2013 - 01:40 PM

Diet does affect everyone's acne. It sent possible for it not to. Your friends don't get acne because they do not have the genetic traits that make them acne prone.

 

You are saying everyone?

 

I have a friend who had completely stopped eating dairy for 6 months!

She don't have acne anymore, because in the end she ended up taking accutane, because the diet with no dairy didn't work a tiny bit for her, it just made her missed all the good joy we can get with food.

 

I did it, i don't have acne anymore, because ind the end i took accutane, because the dairy shit didn't work.

 

Yes, if affects everyone. It isn't possible for it not to. It's how you get the nutrients your body needs to function.  And how you get crap that your body struggles to deal with.

 

 But I fail to understand how your anecdote about dairy is a counter argument. Avoiding dairy or not makes little noticeable difference to my skin as well.  So what?  Yes, there are numerous ways dairy contributes to factors involved in acne formation. But it isn't the only cause of those factors.  And while it is very common to be intolerant of it, but if you aren't, you probably won't notice a big difference. 

 

Is avoiding dairy  the only thing you've tried?, or rather knowing someone who tried avoiding dairy?  You are basing all your beliefs on that?

 

And regarding accutane, have you visited the accutane forums? Seen all the 'about to go on accutane for the third/fourth/fifth time" threads?

 

 

Nutrients and lifestyle habits for the brain, mood, coping with stress, etc.

 

 

 

http://www.acne.org/...acne/?p=2679680


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 02:22 PM

I believe you because I have been on a dairy-free diet for a few weeks and my skin has greatly improved. It has been proven that refined sugars and milk cause acne. Milk still has natural cow hormones in it, even if it is advertised as hormone-free. Eating refined sugars will cause a spike in blood sugar, and as a result androgenic hormones are released- leading to break outs. I either drink almond or coconut milk, and I use organic agave if I want to sweeten something. Agave is low glycemic so it doesn't raise blood sugar. Reducing gluten in your diet may help too.

 

For dairy/gluten free recipes go there: elanaspantry.com

She has many great recipes and i use them all the time :)



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Posted 18 March 2013 - 02:27 PM

HMMM..

have you read the first page?

This thread is all about dairy ?

 

What causes acne : dairy (butter, buttermilk, milk, cheese), nuts, and sugar.

 

 

And i live extremely healthy, always did, and still does, but i still had acne.


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Posted 18 March 2013 - 02:32 PM

HMMM..
have you read the first page?
This thread is all about dairy ?
 
What causes acne : dairy (butter, buttermilk, milk, cheese), nuts, and sugar.
 
 
And i live extremely healthy, always did, and still does, but i still had acne.

 
Yes.  And have you read the conversation we've been having? such as the first post in which you said:
 

Some people have acne, and you can't cure it without medicine
 
Your face is spotless, because you are lucky and your acne fade away, not because of your diet.


And then I replied with this:
 

Diet does affect everyone's acne. It isnt possible for it not to. Your friends don't get acne because they do not have the genetic traits that make them acne prone.

My diet habits kep my acne under control while years of dermatologists and drugs did not. Not even two courses of accutane helped.

 
See. I said diet.   Although dairy probably does affect everyone as well, there's too many things about it for it not to such as how it's insulinemic which screws with hormones, contains hormones involved in acne and a precursor to DHT formation which is a hormone involved in acne.  It just that if you aren't intolerant to it, it might not affect you enough that you would notice a difference, especially considering all the other possible diet and lifestyle habits of yours that contribute to the very same hormone issues.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 07:11 PM

I really think cysts and nodules are reactions to some kind of food or other intolerance. Have you tried a methodical elimination diet?

 

May I ask what that is exactly? Is it extreme elimination? If so, I've only been taking out the gluten, dairy and sugar from my diet, but have replaced most things with raw, uncooked greens. If there is a green that can also causing my cystic acne then no, I haven't eliminated any vegetables yet. I suppose it is possible for me to have cystic acne from gluten, dairy, and/or sugar as well as a vegetable, but I have yet to specifically search that food group. So far, juicing raw vegetables 5-7 times a week has ben the only thing that has helped my acne.



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Posted 18 March 2013 - 08:22 PM


I really think cysts and nodules are reactions to some kind of food or other intolerance. Have you tried a methodical elimination diet?

 
May I ask what that is exactly? Is it extreme elimination? If so, I've only been taking out the gluten, dairy and sugar from my diet, but have replaced most things with raw, uncooked greens. If there is a green that can also causing my cystic acne then no, I haven't eliminated any vegetables yet. I suppose it is possible for me to have cystic acne from gluten, dairy, and/or sugar as well as a vegetable, but I have yet to specifically search that food group. So far, juicing raw vegetables 5-7 times a week has ben the only thing that has helped my acne.

An elimination diet is either following a very hypoallergenic diet for a period during which you will hopefully notice an improvement, then methodically adding foods back in and watch for a reaction. Or methodically avoiding foods one by one or in groups of related foods, such a the citrus that cause me to break out in cysts by the next day.

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Posted 18 March 2013 - 10:04 PM

An elimination diet is either following a very hypoallergenic diet for a period during which you will hopefully notice an improvement, then methodically adding foods back in and watch for a reaction. Or methodically avoiding foods one by one or in groups of related foods, such a the citrus that cause me to break out in cysts by the next day.

 

I haven't read a lot into hypoallergenic diets yet, except that I should start with the common gluten/dairy/sugar allergens and consume as much fresh and raw vegetables as possible. I understand that this isn't exactly ideal, especially with the paleo, southbeach, and "gut" diets having a bit more body to them, but I figured it was a good place to start. My current diet has help considerably, but I've only been about 3 months into it, give or take. I've been juicing a lot longer... about 6 months I think. I just started allowing myself a small meal of something once a week (usually sunday mornings) such as bran flakes or oatmeal cookies, mainly for convenience purposes so that I may sit and talk with my family. These have yet to show any negative effects, but if I need to stop then I most certainly will.

 

I actually hate oranges and anything citric tasting. The only citric exception was adding lemons to my vegetable juice which I eventually stopped because it was making it too tangy. I was consuming a lot of fruit about 4 months ago, but cut back quite a bit almost 2 months ago. I ate all kinds of berries and exotic fruits I could get my hands on, mostly for their antioxidants and health benefits, but also because I thought it was 'healthy'. Cutting back on them hasn't made too much difference. I also have arm eczema that was violently flaring up for the past few months, but has since subsided quite a bit itself when I stopped eating so many eggs.

 

There's a lot going on with me... maybe a hypoallergenic diet would be my best bet. Care to spare any helpful links? :3


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Posted 19 March 2013 - 08:27 AM


An elimination diet is either following a very hypoallergenic diet for a period during which you will hopefully notice an improvement, then methodically adding foods back in and watch for a reaction. Or methodically avoiding foods one by one or in groups of related foods, such a the citrus that cause me to break out in cysts by the next day.

 
I haven't read a lot into hypoallergenic diets yet, except that I should start with the common gluten/dairy/sugar allergens and consume as much fresh and raw vegetables as possible. I understand that this isn't exactly ideal, especially with the paleo, southbeach, and "gut" diets having a bit more body to them, but I figured it was a good place to start. My current diet has help considerably, but I've only been about 3 months into it, give or take. I've been juicing a lot longer... about 6 months I think. I just started allowing myself a small meal of something once a week (usually sunday mornings) such as bran flakes or oatmeal cookies, mainly for convenience purposes so that I may sit and talk with my family. These have yet to show any negative effects, but if I need to stop then I most certainly will.
 
I actually hate oranges and anything citric tasting. The only citric exception was adding lemons to my vegetable juice which I eventually stopped because it was making it too tangy. I was consuming a lot of fruit about 4 months ago, but cut back quite a bit almost 2 months ago. I ate all kinds of berries and exotic fruits I could get my hands on, mostly for their antioxidants and health benefits, but also because I thought it was 'healthy'. Cutting back on them hasn't made too much difference. I also have arm eczema that was violently flaring up for the past few months, but has since subsided quite a bit itself when I stopped eating so many eggs.
 
There's a lot going on with me... maybe a hypoallergenic diet would be my best bet. Care to spare any helpful links? :3

See the section on food intolerances in the Good Things thread. There's a link to a thread with info on delayed inflammatory responses, the anti bodies involved, and the most hypo allergenic foods.