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[dejaclairevoyant]

Nope. None of it worked for me. I've tried water only and the oil cleansing method. The OCM was the worst thing I did. It brought my acne to a whole new level and I started getting staph infections again because the inflammation would never go down. It was basically a nightmare. Any time I've attempted to do "natural" skincare, my acne has grown worse, more deep cysts and repeated staph infections.

 

Now I'm back on the regimen and my skin is looking better than it has in a very long time. This natural stuff works for some people, but some of us unfortunately need medication.

 

Good luck! Wish it had worked for me.

[lostinthefog87]

The more I read on these boards, the worse things get for me.  It seems like a lot of people struggled with the water only method...some people reported seborhheic dermatitis.  I'm very nervous now.  UGH, I don't want to reach for the soap but I don't want to end up with a fungal infection on my face or a year of dead skin mask.

 

I started doing it because it sounded easy enough.  Now I'm just not sure. 

I think there should be a rule that if you are in a bad mood or have broken out do NOT come to these boards.  Haha!  You go from "Oh boy this is my miracle cure" in one thread only to realize 10 people said they broke out because of it in another.  The amount of information is overwhelming and you end up exhausted after all of it.

 

That being said, I look forward to hearing your progress on the water only method.  You responded to my other thread about my interest in trying it, but after a recent breakout of a very large cyst I am holding off a few more months to get my diet and lifestyle in order.  

 

I think water only, or very little topicals, is a great step.  I do however believe it will not solve most peoples skin problems without strict adherence to other lifestyle/diet choices.  The more I read about acne either through literature, studies, or just forums, the more I realize we must address the inflammatory responses in our own bodies that are a result of insulin spikes, stress, hormones, etc.  If we have those under control then the water-only method may just be the last thing you need to do to either achieve clear skin or see a significant improvement in it.

 

Good luck and keep us posted.  

Edited by lostinthefog87, 09 March 2013 - 02:45 AM.

[Sasch83]

Hmmmm, everyone will have their opinion on this so i may as well add mine.  Water only may help if IRRITATION is causing your acne but if it is primarily hormones, diet, etc, then you'll still get acne as acne for most of us is an internal problem versus an external problem.  If things are getting significantly worse and you are scarring then i would honestly tell you to come up with a plan ASAP such as:

 

diet changes

maybe seeing and endo to determine what if any hormone factors are at work, etc

 

Relying on any one thing to help your acne is not always the best thing

 

Good Luck

[alternativista]

Hmmmm, everyone will have their opinion on this so i may as well add mine.  Water only may help if IRRITATION is causing your acne but if it is primarily hormones, diet, etc, then you'll still get acne as acne for most of us is an internal problem versus an external problem.  If things are getting significantly worse and you are scarring then i would honestly tell you to come up with a plan ASAP such as:
 
diet changes
maybe seeing and endo to determine what if any hormone factors are at work, etc
 
Relying on any one thing to help your acne is not always the best thing
 
Good Luck

You are right about relying on one thing. Because there isn't just one thing going on. But sebum and I the acid mantle play important roles in skin function. Washing it away with soap
is detrimental.

Edited by alternativista, 11 March 2013 - 07:14 AM.

[dog01234567890]

Ok, so I reached 30days of the caveman.

I didn't let any water tocuh my face, I didn't wash it and I didn't scratch it etc

 

It did look HORRIBLE! I definately had a lot of deadskin, especially on my forehead (which was my problem area)

I washed my face with mineral water and a muslin cloth and my skin looked BEAUTIFUL!

 

I complete couldn't believe it! My skin has started to heal itself, it's looking better than anything I have ever tried before.

It requires a lot of faith though, I didn't think it was going to work, & I wanted to wash my face and get back to normal but I;m so glad I didnt!

 

I think I will do this for a few more months, not washing for 30days then gently wash off with mineral water at the end.

 

My complexion is so even and bright. The mineral water didn't dry out my skin or anything.

I will never use products on my face again!

 

I highly recommend this to everyone

however be patient becuase it's not instant, it can take a little while, but you will notice the effects at the end of the month!

my skin isn't even oily anymore. it;s normal again!

 

Please message me if anyone has any questions.

[LewisS]

I just started with water only. Hope it works...it's not even that I have severe acne anymore, I just want healthy skin. I've totally messed it up over the years and it doesn't know how to heal without products. 

[lostinthefog87]

I've heard some in this thread, and on this board, mention not washing their face with anything. I must add that people who go as far as to not wash their face with ANYTHING may be going a bit too far. I think it's healthy and natural to wash our face with at least water. But hey, if it works for you, go for it. Recently, I have stopped my antibiotics, benzoyl peroxide, and other harsh topicals and just done a simple cleansing with Cerave once or twice a day. Although it has only been four days, my skin actually is looking normal again. This is not to say that a breakout may not be around the corner. I still eat too many carbs, potatoes, etc. although I have switched to whole grains and cut out dairy, I still have some ways to go. I think Alternatevista made a great point in that acne is such a whole body problem. People that say you can rid your acne with just water washing might be leading some to think that this is their only issue (although for a minority this may be true-an irritation problem). We should attack acne in three ways- diet (anti inflammatory, little to no dairy, high vitamin/mineral, probiotic rich, low glycemic diet), skin health (using as little topicals and systemic medications as possible, preferably none ), and stress reduction (exercise, socializing, meditation). If you still have acne after all of this, switch things up and try to eliminate more foods, etc. If things still persist, you could be a very rare case where you may need some extra help such as medicated topicals. But, water only is a GREAT START. I think cerave is a acceptable cleanser even to most in the holistic forum as it balances and restores the protective layer of skin on the face, something that almost all storebought cleansers do not achieve. That being said, i'm looking forward to the day I can just use water myself!

[lostinthefog87]

double post

Edited by lostinthefog87, 11 March 2013 - 06:15 AM.

[alternativista]

It's amazing to me how many people in this cleanliness obsessed germophobic culture are willing to not wash their face at all and spend months with a face full of dead skin. And apparently are able to cope with that, just fine. But others expect diet changes to work in a few weeks and/or find eating right too stressful and alienating from their friends that they can't keep it up or develop an eating disorder.

[Thehoper]

Well to be too clean as we know is bad.. your body needs germs, and you need a strong immune system.  Constantly stripping your acid mantle with anti-bacterials and such will make your skin more likely for breakouts, more sensitive, and make you dependent on the topical.  If you stop it will be far worse until your acid mantle regains strength.  Thats why I dont understand at all why people still use BP and other harsh chemicals.

 

Not washing your face at all though is ridiculous, your going to have a serious build up of dead skin, theres no need to not wash at least once a week.  And everyday wipe your face with a dry tissue.   This in my definite honest opinion is the best way to go for best looking skin, healthy glowing and STRONG able to fight against infections.. and still combating with a good diet and supplements from within.  I get compliments on my skin quite a bit now which Im totally not used to lol, but my skin really does look better then a lot of people even those who never had skin problems, a lot of people tell me I look really healthy. 

[LewisS]

I certainly couldn't stop washing my face completely or even just wash my a few times a week. I'm going to wash my face with water only, twice a day, every day. I have noticed already from doing this that my face isn't producing as much oil as it normally would and my skin feels very calm (I can't really explain it). 

[CrazyIceCream]

I did this for about a month and my skin looked horrible as in there were dry red patches, a lot of dead skin and some whiteheads.

After that caveman regimen, because my skin looked horrible, I tried Delna's regimen.

But because I stopped using commercial products, I only wash my face gently with baking soda, apply apple cider vinegar afterwards, wait 10 minutes, wash it off,

apply nothing else on my face throughout the day and then at night do the egg mask. I don't moisturize at all.

I've past week 1 now and my face looks a lot better than before. It feels so smooth 

...but i'm getting a bit lazy on this regimen. I still do it though, I just don't wait 10 minutes for the ACV anymore. Instead, I wait for like 1 minute and then wash it off.

 

I'm also gonna cut down on breads, biscuits, those kind of stuff and drink lots of water. oh yeah..maybe eat healthy. Maybe. Hehe~

Hoping for a better skin before starting pre-university

[Thehoper]

lmao love the honesty.. ah that made me laugh.

[ohnelly]

@dejaclaire Staph infections?  Ouch!  I think I was headed down that path but I finally intervened.  I'm a little worried since I have two lingering whitehead/pustules.  I keep hoping they aren't something terrible. They don't itch or hurt though.

 

After 30 days, I saw my skin go from a small problem to a gigantic one.  At one point during the water only, I went without washing for five days.  I think that's what did it.  I know have a million blackheads across my cheeks.  I started dove sensitive soap 1xday in the shower, very gently, for five seconds.  My skin has improved.  The whiteheads went down but the blackheads remain.  I have no clue how I am going to get rid of them since irritation inflames my acne.  I keep hoping my skin will push them out.  I tried picking one and learned my lesson as two whiteheads erupted and I now have a scar. 

 

I have used honey as a spot treatment and had some success with it, although I am little worried about it clogging my pores even more and causing cysts.  We shall see. I really wanted to believe in this method and I do think it works for some people but my skin just got out of hand.  I couldn't handle it.  Whether or not my skin was purging, I don't think it was going to survive the onslaught of red marks, blackheads, and whiteheads.  And I didn't want to live like a hermit.

I also didn't want to end up with something serious, like a staph infection.

[Thehoper]

Out of all the cleansers in this world why are you washing your face with soap?  lol, thats straight a big no no in Acne 101.  And your not suppose to spot treat with honey, it will clog your pores, your suppose to use it as a cleanser or mask then wash off.  Honey is amazing at exfoliating even using it in your hair if you get dandruff.  And it won't dry your skin out, it's a win win. 

 

Getting a staph infection has nothing to do with only washing with water or something natural like honey.  Staph doesnt just start on your face because your only washing with water.  Not to undermind deja but she probably has/had seborrheic dermatitis or perioral dermatitis.   

Edited by Thehoper, 12 March 2013 - 12:16 AM.

[lostinthefog87]

It's amazing to me how many people in this cleanliness obsessed germophobic culture are willing to not wash their face at all and spend months with a face full of dead skin. And apparently are able to cope with that, just fine. But others expect diet changes to work in a few weeks and/or find eating right too stressful and alienating from their friends that they can't keep it up or develop an eating disorder.

 

Good point, but I must say it is difficult for some to make the switch from junk food to healthy as I speak from personal experience.  I began the process of trying to eat better 9 months ago.  My goal is almost no dairy, no refined carbs, fresh, organic, natural, low glycemic, etc.  But when you are constantly around others who have no care in the world for what they put in their body, you feel isolated and battle temptation some days.   Bad eating habits are decades old addictions and changing can be as hard as quitting smoking.  I would know as I have had an on again off again relationship with cigarettes throughout my life.  At night I have looked at the 24 hour pizza delivery menu the same way I looked at my ashtray in the midst of nicotine withdrawal.  I had to white knuckle through the craving.

 

However I found a trick that works for me.  I try to find a handful of anti-inflammatory recipes online and plan my week out.  I buy everything in bulk for that week and make my meals in big batches the night before, when my blood sugar is stable after dinner.  That way when I wake up, instead of opting for fast food because I am starving I have some lentil stew, or fish with capers, etc. already made and ready to eat.  I also forgive myself if I slip, as my bad eating habits have been there forever and it will take some time to get this right.  I still think if I eat well 6 days out of the week, it's not the end of the world if I slip and have something unhealthy for a day.  Nobody's perfect, and this is a process.  I forgive myself and I move on.  The point is I never give up.  Eventually, if you practice eating the right foods it will become the new norm, and a cheeseburger or pizza will be viewed as a rare treat.  A lot of individuals are all or none in their thinking and throw up their hands and give up completely when they cave.  We must do the complete opposite, pick ourselves up and try again and be compassionate. 

 

That being said, I too find it kind of "out-there" not to wash your face at all with water.  Washing your face with water or a gentle non stripping cleanser seems pretty healthy.  I just can't see it......do people just stay in the shower shielding their face while water goes everywhere else?  Leaving your skin to just sit there day in and day out with no moisture whatsoever seems just as extreme as the plethora of harsh topicals people were lathering on their skin before they decided to go on the no water method.

 

I am wary of the "quick fix" threads.  

Edited by lostinthefog87, 12 March 2013 - 05:58 AM.

[ohnelly]

@Thehoper,

 

Regarding dove sensitive soap or "beauty bar" as they market it, ha.  I am aware of the problems people have with soap. However, I used this soap for 10 years 1x day and had perfect skin.  The only point at which my skin turned bad was when I prescribed anti-biotics, finacea, and cetaphil.  The antibiotics came first to clear one small spot and I was told to cleanse twice a day with cetaphil.  Then the cysts came so I was prescribed finacea and bp spot treatment.  When I was having my problems, I was not using dove sensitive soap. 

 

I credit the caveman, water only for bringing back my acid mantle that was stripped by over cleansing (sometimes three times day).  However, my skin after 30 days was a complete mess.  Even when I had the cysts, I could at least hide them and go out in public.  My face looks destroyed and I will probably have scars because of it.  I hate going in public now.  I avoid my friends since they have no clue what is going on and my face is basically covered in red spots and whiteheads.  That said, I can't go back in time and undo over cleansing my face or undo the caveman.  I just have to move on even though I am having difficulty with it.  The most sensible thing for me is gently cleanse with something that worked for me for ever and ever. 

 

I understand since you had success with the caveman/water only that you would have this opinion.  I wish beyond anything in the world that it worked for me!  I would've given anything for it to work.  Even worse, I actually believe it is what is best for our skin.  But I can't invest the months to a year it is going to take for my face to purge and eventually heal.  As a woman, I feel so overwhelmed by how often I am judged by my looks and so like a house of cards, I folded.  I guess I must be terribly superficial--something I never thought of myself.  My brother struggles with acne and I would reassure him that "no one cares" and "don't let it run your life."  Seems rather hypocritical of me now.  Everyone thinks themselves to have a ton of resilience and virtue until something actually tests their vanity.  But honestly, in the last 30 days, I may have regained my acid mantle but I lost some self-esteem as a result. So I guess I can take this as a lesson and maybe now I will grow as a person and not place so much value on how I look on the outside.

 

As far as the honey spot treatment, I put the honey on a couple of zits, wait 30 minutes, then rinse them off with a damp cotton pad.  I don't leave them on and not doing anything. 

[LewisS]

Still doing this regimen, although today I purchased some Cetaphil cleanser and moisturiser that I do plan on using at some point. I do not feel any less hygienic using only water, my face feels just as clean as it did with any cleansers. I haven't broke out and the two spots I did have disappeared since starting the water-only regimen, so technically I am clear.

 

The only reason I purchased the products is because of the good things I've heard about them and because the water-only isn't something I ever planned on doing permanently.  I'm definitely going to give my skin breaks from using products as it turns out that it is highly beneficial for me - this may not be the case for everyone.

[alternativista]

@Thehoper,
 
Regarding dove sensitive soap or "beauty bar" as they market it, ha.  I am aware of the problems people have with soap. However, I used this soap for 10 years 1x day and had perfect skin.  The only point at which my skin turned bad was when I prescribed anti-biotics, finacea, and cetaphil.  The antibiotics came first to clear one small spot and I was told to cleanse twice a day with cetaphil.  Then the cysts came so I was prescribed finacea and bp spot treatment.  When I was having my problems, I was not using dove sensitive soap. 
 
I credit the caveman, water only for bringing back my acid mantle that was stripped by over cleansing (sometimes three times day).  However, my skin after 30 days was a complete mess.  Even when I had the cysts, I could at least hide them and go out in public.  My face looks destroyed and I will probably have scars because of it.  I hate going in public now.  I avoid my friends since they have no clue what is going on and my face is basically covered in red spots and whiteheads.  That said, I can't go back in time and undo over cleansing my face or undo the caveman.  I just have to move on even though I am having difficulty with it.  The most sensible thing for me is gently cleanse with something that worked for me for ever and ever. 
 
I understand since you had success with the caveman/water only that you would have this opinion.  I wish beyond anything in the world that it worked for me!  I would've given anything for it to work.  Even worse, I actually believe it is what is best for our skin.  But I can't invest the months to a year it is going to take for my face to purge and eventually heal.  As a woman, I feel so overwhelmed by how often I am judged by my looks and so like a house of cards, I folded.  I guess I must be terribly superficial--something I never thought of myself.  My brother struggles with acne and I would reassure him that "no one cares" and "don't let it run your life."  Seems rather hypocritical of me now.  Everyone thinks themselves to have a ton of resilience and virtue until something actually tests their vanity.  But honestly, in the last 30 days, I may have regained my acid mantle but I lost some self-esteem as a result. So I guess I can take this as a lesson and maybe now I will grow as a person and not place so much value on how I look on the outside.
 
As far as the honey spot treatment, I put the honey on a couple of zits, wait 30 minutes, then rinse them off with a damp cotton pad.  I don't leave them on and not doing anything. 

If by complete mess you mean covered with dead skin, you don't need to do that. That does nothing. Wash your face with water, a cloth, every day, twice a day, whatever. The benefit comes from not stripping the acid mantle with soap. The rest is nonsense. That is, unless you are sensitive to your tap water.

[Thehoper]

@oh nelly- sorry to hear girl.  Yeah I know everyone's skin is different so it is foolish to make any claim of a topical being the best method.  Hey if the soap worked for 10 years Im no one to tell you it doesnt work!  Sorry to hear about your situation, some deep suffering acne can make you go through, it is best to take the advice you gave to your brother and not let it get to you.  Stay mentally strong, calm, patient.  Best of luck to you.