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I think i may know why people "grow out of acne" In essence, when you are in college and highschool, you eat junk food majority of the time . However, once we move past college, we tend to eat home cooked food. Now, the home cooked food may not be entirerly heAlthy (grain free, low in lectins, dairy free etc) but it is most likely no where near as bad as junk food and fast food (which is full of vegetable oil). Thus, once you change your diet , maybe your body changes and thus you are not acne prone anymore?

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That's a definite possible factor. Honestly I had never thought of it that way. Even with the whole "theres not enough evidence to conclude blah blah blah" I am a firm believer that foods CAN aggravate acne.

However, even with this being said, I wouldn't really jump on and say that in essence this is the reason people grow out of acne. I think the majority of acne is in the hands of the huge hormonal and physiological changes that are happening (whether during teenager or adult hood - mostly teenager though im guessing) . The start of adulthood marks a peak through decline in these changes, therefore reducing acne (in most people at least)

Not only that, but I also have my own experiences. No amount of dieting helped me during my "peak" with acne. The hormones were taking charge fully.

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I think the people who are lucky enough to grow out of acne are the teenagers whose acne is just that - hormonal teenage acne due mainly to puberty. And once the hormones start to stabilise as they reach the end of that phase, the acne lessens and they 'grow out of acne'. That's how I think of it anyway. But the majority of people aren't so lucky to just outgrow it unfortunately - so I guess that's when things like diet changes etc play a bigger role in hopefully getting it under control and being clear.

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Thus, once you change your diet , maybe your body changes and thus you are not acne prone anymore?

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I think i may know why people "grow out of acne" In essence, when you are in college and highschool, you eat junk food majority of the time . However, once we move past college, we tend to eat home cooked food. Now, the home cooked food may not be entirerly heAlthy (grain free, low in lectins, dairy free etc) but it is most likely no where near as bad as junk food and fast food (which is full of vegetable oil). Thus, once you change your diet , maybe your body changes and thus you are not acne prone anymore

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I think i may know why people "grow out of acne" In essence, when you are in college and highschool, you eat junk food majority of the time . However, once we move past college, we tend to eat home cooked food. Now, the home cooked food may not be entirerly heAlthy (grain free, low in lectins, dairy free etc) but it is most likely no where near as bad as junk food and fast food (which is full of vegetable oil). Thus, once you change your diet , maybe your body changes and thus you are not acne prone anymore

People tend to "grow out of acne" at around 18-20 years because at this age for the majority their bodies have finally become used to processing their "sex hormones" (DHT ect) no longer resulting in over activity of sebaceous glands. When someone "grows out of acne" they become immune to the effects of androgens; androgen insensitive. Just in the same way someone grows out of childhood Asthma ect.

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Thus, once you change your diet , maybe your body changes and thus you are not acne prone anymore?

Changing your diet does 'change your body', but unfortunately, for far too many people, the 'home cooked diet' is not much better than potato chips and pizza.

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I think i may know why people "grow out of acne" In essence, when you are in college and highschool, you eat junk food majority of the time . However, once we move past college, we tend to eat home cooked food. Now, the home cooked food may not be entirerly heAlthy (grain free, low in lectins, dairy free etc) but it is most likely no where near as bad as junk food and fast food (which is full of vegetable oil). Thus, once you change your diet , maybe your body changes and thus you are not acne prone anymore

People tend to "grow out of acne" at around 18-20 years because at this age for the majority their bodies have finally become used to processing their "sex hormones" (DHT ect) no longer resulting in over activity of sebaceous glands. When someone "grows out of acne" they become immune to the effects of androgens; androgen insensitive. Just in the same way someone grows out of childhood Asthma ect.

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Thus, once you change your diet , maybe your body changes and thus you are not acne prone anymore?

Changing your diet does 'change your body', but unfortunately, for far too many people, the 'home cooked diet' is not much better than potato chips and pizza.

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People didn't use to get acne 50 years ago the same way they do these days, so I just don't buy the gene explanation. Of course we are susceptible to acne because of our genes. No one is denying that, it's not our fault and it is unfair how some people can just eat and live however they want and have a clear face whereas we struggle even with our best efforts. But there is something in the current environment and our lifestyle that is causing the acne, not our genes. Most likely it's many factors, not just diet, and it's questionable how well these factors even are in our control - it could've been something that our mothers did during pregnancy or how we lived as infants that exacerbated the issue, or what chemicals we've been exposed to from the products we use. But it's not just genes. And I do think it's worth a shot to try to help your acne with diet and a healthy lifestyle. I don't think anyone can claim that it would work for everyone as we can't possibly know all the factors that could contribute to acne, but it would be ridiculous to claim that it can't help at all - it certainly has already helped many, and even cured people completely. And whether or not being healthy helps with your acne, it certainly helps you in every other way so it's never a useless endeavour.

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Diet does not cause acne. I don't care what you say or how you counter argue, Acne is a disorder of the way the pore exfoliates because of excess sebum caused by androgen sensitive hair folliculs. In Canada we're already taught this - as everyone living in this country is able to access a dermatologist or endocrinologist for free any time they want, and we have fairly advanced science in regards to dermatology as well (miles ahead of the U.S).

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Diet does not cause acne. I don't care what you say or how you counter argue, Acne is a disorder of the way the pore exfoliates because of excess sebum caused by androgen sensitive hair folliculs. In Canada we're already taught this - as everyone living in this country is able to access a dermatologist or endocrinologist for free any time they want, and we have fairly advanced science in regards to dermatology as well (miles ahead of the U.S).

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200 cysts a day? That isn't normal acne. So you limited sugar and processed foods in your vegan diet? And just ate real, whole plant foods and not a lot of vegan faux foods? If you couldn't eat right without developing an eating disorder it sounds like you were not eating right or seriously suffering from stress which also 'causes' acne.

Btw, I believe that cysts and nodules tend to be some kind of reaction to a food, or environmental/topical substance. Or perhaps to stress, like hives. I get nodules when I eat citrus. They appear the next day. I believe my father had the same intolerance. But that is completely separate from the oily skin and more normal types of acne I used to get before I improved my diet.

Spiro doesn't just affect androgens, btw. It's main use was to treat hypertension until newer drugs came along. And it's a glucocorticoid steroid which means its anti inflammatory and it affects cortisol, both of which are factors in acne.

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200 cysts a day? That isn't normal acne. So you limited sugar and processed foods in your vegan diet? And just ate real, whole plant foods and not a lot of vegan faux foods? If you couldn't eat right without developing an eating disorder it sounds like you were not eating right or seriously suffering from stress which also 'causes' acne.

Btw, I believe that cysts and nodules tend to be some kind of reaction to a food, or environmental/topical substance. Or perhaps to stress, like hives. I get nodules when I eat citrus. They appear the next day. I believe my father had the same intolerance. But that is completely separate from the oily skin and more normal types of acne I used to get before I improved my diet.

Spiro doesn't just affect androgens, btw. It's main use was to treat hypertension until newer drugs came along. And it's a glucocorticoid steroid which means its anti inflammatory and it affects cortisol, both of which are factors in acne.

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To OP:

I read a study a while back showing that the DHT/5-alpha-reductase process actually changed the quality of sebum. Sebum is stickier when there is a lot of DHT/5-alpha conversions going on.

From what I understand, many people with acne problems have androgen receptors that receive the testosterone and then turn it into DHT via the enzyme 5-alpha-reductase...more often than clear-skinned people do. The net result is the sebum is stickier.

This is why altering or impeding the DHT/5-alpha process helps acne in many, whether that's spironolactone or high quantities of pantothenic acid or whatever.

Diet, exercise, stress, sleep, sex, and all other parts of life, interplay into your endocrine system. Pretty much everything you do is driven by and affects your hormones. The way I see it, all of these cures are just different angles at attacking the hormone issue. Some people modulate hormones by controlling sexual arousal. Some by sleep and exercise. Some by diet. Some by herbal supplements or prescription pills.

I think the unfortunate part of it is that we just don't know enough about hormones to really measure what's going on. One of my friends in med school said they are really pushing for more endocrinologists because there is so much more to learn about hormones.

Be careful about making generalizations. I remember when that book "French Women Don't Get Fat" book came out. Now I've been to France. There are definitely many fat French women. Yes, there are less there than some other countries, but basically the title of that book was a broad generalization intended to sell books, not to proclaim truth.

It's just too hard to say that people who eat "home cooked" (whatever that means...the term is a little vague) meals don't have acne. My childhood diet was more healthy and Paleo-like than anyone I knew, yet I had severe acne for many years. One of my best friends came from a raw vegan home and she had putrid cystic acne (but her siblings were perfectly clear).

I've told you this before, but I think there is a lot of truth to the idea that your hormone system and your gut health is set into motion when you are in the womb. I think of it like this: the health of your mother's endocrines is 80% of what you get. You can control the other 20% through diet and lifestyle. I'm just throwing numbers out, but that's what my life has felt like. DEFINITELY diet and lifestyle plays a part in your acne, but us humans like to think we have control and we overestimate how much influence we really have. The best way to have clear skin is to have a mom who had a great diet, lifestyle, and endocrine system while you were in utero, then to have a really great diet/lifestyle while you're developing...but once you're developed it is pretty hard to change what is going on in there.

Look at animals. If there's an animal with pus lesions on its body, it doesn't get selected in the mating process, it doesn't breed, it doesn't pass on its genes/hormones/parasites whatever. But we as humans are stuck on the idea that everyone "deserves" great genes or great health, and we continue to "cure" health problems artificially (glasses, braces, Accutane, gastric bypass, plastic surgery, Prozac, drastic diet changes), then convince someone to marry us when we look our best, then are amazed when our kids have the exact same problems we did even though we are "healthy" now... And with cultural changes you can now be successful and rich with a good brain but a poor body... Success means you procreate... Repeat this process over centuries and see what happens to the general health of the population...

You may think, well my parents didn't have acne and I do. Yeah, but what was their health like when you were born? Did they have other indicators of hormonal issues that when magnified can turn into acne? Do enough digging and you will find it. I recently found out that a good chunk of my female relatives have significant hormonal issues. For some reason it manifested in me as really bad acne. But there was definitely a predisposition there out of my control.

Anyway there are too many factors to find a one-size-fits-all cure. We have to suck it up and do a lot of trial and error to get to clear skin.

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Spiro doesn't just affect androgens, btw. It's main use was to treat hypertension until newer drugs came along. And it's a glucocorticoid steroid which means its anti inflammatory and it affects cortisol, both of which are factors in acne.

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I still believe acne is caused by a sensitivity to androgen hormones passed down from mom and dad. I bought into this "leaky gut" notion for years after constantly seeing someone that specialized in chinese medicine and did the whole probiotic deal and casein free, dairy and gluten free business but it never helped. I doubt I ever had gut issues as I never was on antibiotics for more than a few days as a child and didn't experience any intestinal distress either.

A "leaky gut" and "adrenal fatigue" are in my mind are not real conditions. It's just something health nut people have tried to come up with to explain all these "chronic inflammatory" disorders plaguing western society.

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I think i may know why people "grow out of acne" In essence, when you are in college and highschool, you eat junk food majority of the time . However, once we move past college, we tend to eat home cooked food. Now, the home cooked food may not be entirerly heAlthy (grain free, low in lectins, dairy free etc) but it is most likely no where near as bad as junk food and fast food (which is full of vegetable oil). Thus, once you change your diet , maybe your body changes and thus you are not acne prone anymore?

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