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#1 Vanbelle

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Posted 22 December 2012 - 01:02 PM

I recently read an article on mTOR inhibition. This article is very detailed but could possibly steer people in the wrong direction. I'll put a link to it, and add some thoughts as well.

mTOR, which stands for mammalian target of rapamycin, is an intermediate in all the factors you need to worry about: cell growth, cell proliferation, cell motility, cell survival, protein synthesis, and transcription. Healthy functioning mTOR allows your body to be anabolic and growing, and this extends to skin cells, and how specific foods can have compounded activation of mTOR with other chemicals that ignite sebaceous biosynthesis.


Knowing more about mTOR and how it interacts both inside the cell and outside the cell is very important, including cell signaling of different growth factors (like IGF-1, which is a buzzword for you guys).

Both benzoyl peroxide and isotretinoin have mechanisms for inhibiting mTOR, which can reduce cell proliferation and decrease sebum production. This can help explain why they can be effective at preventing acne and comedogenesis (see: mTORC1 and Comedogenesis).

The interesting part about this article is that it ties in many ideas that everyone here likes to talk about: how to reduce proliferation of keratinocytes and how to reduce production of skin oil. However, it's only hyperproliferation of any of these things we really need to prevent. Being healthily anabolic and growing is good. The opposite of that is of course, dying.

And what's more, hyperproliferation of sebocytes with bad lipid composition and cell proliferation in combination with systemic inflammation is the bad part. What you really need to focus on to prevent your body from growing unhealthily and from overriding and upregulating growth factors in the process is understanding what a healthy dose of anabolism is, and it all starts in the context of a low inflammatory diet (that should be obvious).



On a final note, some foods you should not be consuming, and they run in same theme of this article:

Oleic acid (olive oil) or peanut oil. These have a tendency to shut off inflammatory markers. I know what you're thinking: good right? Wrong. Some inflammatory markers help with a hormonal cascade of your body's own defenses against the original cause of inflammation. Hopefully more research will be put out on foods that aren't necessarily anti-inflammatory, but override inflammatory signals that your body intentionally has. There is a difference. If you're wondering: oleic acid and peanut oil specifically override inflammatory intermediates that allow insulin to work again. So you're body is trying to prevent more insulin production, and these oils help kick up that process again. Instead you should be focusing on the foods that ignited that inflammation in the first place and eliminating them.


Do not consume long-lasting insulinotropic foods with a high glycemic load. This would be the difference between white and brown rice: white rice is high glycemic, so it spikes insulin and insulin drops fairly quickly. Brown rice has a high load of carbs that will be digested for quite a while, keeping insulin high for extended periods of time. If you're worried about reactive hypoglycemia, women generally have a good ability of regulating blood sugar through slow release of glycogen, so this most likely this will not happen. Intaking some fat can help if men are more concerned.

Low-glycemic load while being low on the index is not really a problem, because the carb count is so low. So vegetables are OK.


Following these two recommendations and you're eliminating lots of vegetable oils and less-refined carbs like wheat bread, brown rice, beans, etc. These eliminations also do another number of beneficial things to the body I need not mention, as everyone with eyes and who's read in the nutrition section should know about.



http://www.landesbio..._full_text=true

http://www.lipidworl.../content/8/1/25

Edited by Vanbelle, 02 January 2013 - 12:12 PM.


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Posted 28 December 2012 - 12:51 AM

I concur unconditionally with everything that is written in this thread. You all suck for not replying.

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 08:40 AM

That paper is an excellent summary of all the known factors involved in acne formation and most of the research into cause and intervention from big pharma like isotretinoin, BP and metformin to EGCG and resveraterol. And of course diet, especially the western diet.

And I wish to point out that it cites over one hundred scientific studies into these factors and how nutrients and diet habits affect those factors and thus acne. And yet people keep claiming there's no scientific evidence that diet affects acne. I guess it's like climate change deniers. No amount of evidence will change their minds.

Also funny, CBS this morning is on right now and the guests are just now talking about how inflammation is he root of disease. I see this all the time on tv and in articles in publications aimed at the general public. So why isn't the public getting it? Why isn't anti inflammatory diets the number one medical intervention?



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Posted 28 December 2012 - 01:50 PM

In all honesty, I've avoided looking at this thread until now because I thought it was about "motor inhibition." I was like, "I don't have any problem moving around, so I'm not gonna check out the thread." Well, I'm glad I did look at the thread, and excuse me for being an ignoramus, because I think the whole post is great. I've become increasingly more interested in cell proliferation, sebum production and hyperkeritinization- what causes it and how to reduce it. I've been using olive oil a lot lately- maybe I'll cut it out for a bit. Thanks for the info!


That paper is an excellent summary of all the known factors involved in acne formation and most of the research into cause and intervention from big pharma like isotretinoin, BP and metformin to EGCG and resveraterol. And of course diet, especially the western diet.

And I wish to point out that it cites over one hundred scientific studies into these factors and how nutrients and diet habits affect those factors and thus acne. And yet people keep claiming there's no scientific evidence that diet affects acne. I guess it's like climate change deniers. No amount of evidence will change their minds.

Also funny, CBS this morning is on right now and the guests are just now talking about how inflammation is he root of disease. I see this all the time on tv and in articles in publications aimed at the general public. So why isn't the public getting it? Why isn't anti inflammatory diets the number one medical intervention?


Because being sick sells. The country is in debt....illness and prison are the easiest ways to make $$$- which is an illusion anyways, because paper currency has never been legitimate, but that's a whole other story :P Sad, isn't it? Guess it's up to the "educated public" to share with our fellow mankind these gems of health.

Edited by Ind1g0, 28 December 2012 - 01:52 PM.


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Posted 02 January 2013 - 12:20 PM

Thanks for replying :) I see I made a couple typos and just fixed that too.

mTOR is a very big intermediate that connects why benzoyl peroxide can work and why dairy could be bad for you. Can you think of anything else that can mechanistically connect those two? Of course I'm distilling those two things for this context but you get the idea.

Oleic acid can also be bad if you're really trying to develop HEALTHY cells. The oil you eat provides fatty acids to be incorporated in the phospholipids of the cell's lipid bilayer. The fluidity of the membrane's "mosaic" kind of structure is crucial for your cell to interact with its environment, and if you know anything about protein transport or protein translocation (those are 2 different things), it all makes sense. Olive oil can make your membranes "stiff." You want more saturated fats and a healthy 3:6 balance of omegas.

I've been trying to research into this topic more specifically in terms of sebocytes, but I'm reeeally busy. I'm hoping others can post links to mTOR. For now, check out the graphic from the research paper!

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Posted 21 January 2013 - 07:58 PM

Following these two recommendations and you're eliminating lots of vegetable oils and less-refined carbs like wheat bread, brown rice, beans, etc.


Why would you want to eliminate beans? Beans generally have very low glycemic load.

From http://www.health.ha...r_100_foods.htm

A serving of soy beans has a glycemic load of 1. A serving of chickpeas is 3. Lentil is 5.





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